Need freqs for United Airlines
Lee Hines
have freqs. to keep me entertained. :-)
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Jon Spewak
Lee Hines <Lee_Hi...@SMTP.esl.com> wrote:
>I will be flying on UA on Thursday from SFO to Orlando and would like to
>have freqs. to keep me entertained. :-)
The frequencies airlines use are the frequencies of the air traffic
controllers at the airport. Getting a pilot's map will show the
frequencies for the airports.
Just to let you know, when you enter the plane they'll say "use of portable
electronic or cellular equipment is prohibited..." They will allow portable
computers, gameboys, discmans, walkmans, pacemakers, etc. Radios, TVs,
cellular phones/modems, etc. are not allowed.
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Mike Wilson
In a previous article, Jon.S...@launchpad.unc.edu (Jon Spewak) says:
>Just to let you know, when you enter the plane they'll say "use of portable
>electronic or cellular equipment is prohibited..." They will allow portable
>computers, gameboys, discmans, walkmans, pacemakers, etc. Radios, TVs,
~~~~~~~~~
>cellular phones/modems, etc. are not allowed.
Don't think so. Portable computers are one of the main things they
do NOT allow. I'm pretty sure that the other things you mention are
not allowed on commercial flights...except for the pacemaker!
It all depends on the carrier. Each have a different policy.
Just ask the captain about your scanner when you board the airplane. If
you ask the flight attendant, most likely you'll get a 'no!'.
On my last trip, the captain let me use my bc200xlt. However, on the
return trip, the captain said 'no'.
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Brett Miller - N7OLQ
>In article <Lee_Hines.M1...@m11003.esl.com>,
>Lee Hines <Lee_Hi...@SMTP.esl.com> wrote:
>>I will be flying on UA on Thursday from SFO to Orlando and would like to
>>have freqs. to keep me entertained. :-)
>The frequencies airlines use are the frequencies of the air traffic
>controllers at the airport. Getting a pilot's map will show the
>frequencies for the airports.
There are business frequencies that airlines use also:
460.650 to 460.875 in 25KHz steps (and also 465.650 to 465.875)
Brett Miller N7OLQ brett_...@ccm.hf.intel.com
Intel Corp.
American Fork, UT
Jim Withrow
>From: el...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Wilson)
>Subject: Re: Need freqs for United Airlines
>Date: 21 Jun 1994 17:39:45 GMT
>In a previous article, Jon.S...@launchpad.unc.edu (Jon Spewak) says:
>>Just to let you know, when you enter the plane they'll say "use of portable
>>electronic or cellular equipment is prohibited..." They will allow portable
>>computers, gameboys, discmans, walkmans, pacemakers, etc. Radios, TVs,
> ~~~~~~~~~
>>cellular phones/modems, etc. are not allowed.
> Don't think so. Portable computers are one of the main things they
>do NOT allow. I'm pretty sure that the other things you mention are
>not allowed on commercial flights...except for the pacemaker!
> It all depends on the carrier. Each have a different policy.
>Just ask the captain about your scanner when you board the airplane. If
>you ask the flight attendant, most likely you'll get a 'no!'.
>On my last trip, the captain let me use my bc200xlt. However, on the
>return trip, the captain said 'no'.
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The FAR's (91.21) specifically allow:
Portable voice recorders
Hearing aids
Heart pacemakers (The FAA is being nice here!)
Electric Shavers
or
Any other portable electronic device that the operator of the aircraft
has determined will not cause interference with the navigation or
communication system of the aircraft on which it is to be used.
The FAR's go on to say that determination shall be made by the operator of
the aircraft (in this case United Airlines). (Technically the United pilot
could not make this determination.)
Ken Wyatt
As a frequent United flyer and scanner enthusiast; here's what I do:
First, United has several business band frequencies; the most common
being 460.675 (or thereabouts) and 460.725. There are also "company"
frequencies of 129.3 and 129.5 MHz.
Probably the most fascinating frequencies would be the ground control
and in-flight frequencies. For these, you won't even need a scanner,
as United typically feeds all this stuff into channel 9 of their
entertainment system. Be sure and ask a flight attendent to have the
captain patch the flight comms into their system as you board.
Use of scanners and two-way radios (including cellular) is not allowed
during flight per United policy. However, you are free to bring them
aboard. At worst, a flight attendent will remind you of their policy.
Obviously, you are free to listen from the terminal areas.
Dennis Willson
>The FAR's (91.21) specifically allow:
> Portable voice recorders
> Hearing aids
> Heart pacemakers (The FAA is being nice here!)
> Electric Shavers
>
>or
>
> Any other portable electronic device that the operator of the aircraft
> has determined will not cause interference with the navigation or
> communication system of the aircraft on which it is to be used.
>
>The FAR's go on to say that determination shall be made by the operator of
>the aircraft (in this case United Airlines). (Technically the United pilot
>could not make this determination.)
Actually from a LEGAL FAA standpoint the PIC (Pilot in Command) of the aircraft
has the ultimate responsiblity. United may make rules that are 'condition of
employment' for that pilot. But if something goes wrong the pilot will be the
one at fault.
Every flight I have been on has allowed computers and CD players AFTER reaching
cruise altitude. Radios are discouraged by the flight attendants, but if the
pilot says OK then it's allowed. Cellular Phones are not permitted by FCC
regulations do to the number of Cells affected from an airplane.
Dennis
bill nelson
: >
: >The FAR's go on to say that determination shall be made by the operator of
: >the aircraft (in this case United Airlines). (Technically the United pilot
: >could not make this determination.)
:
: Actually from a LEGAL FAA standpoint the PIC (Pilot in Command) of the aircraft
: has the ultimate responsiblity. United may make rules that are 'condition of
: employment' for that pilot. But if something goes wrong the pilot will be the
: one at fault.
That only means that the PIC can make more restrictive rules than those
imposed by the operator. Thus, if the airline says, "no computers or
scanners", then he is breaking the FARs by allowing them.
: Every flight I have been on has allowed computers and CD players AFTER reaching
: cruise altitude. Radios are discouraged by the flight attendants, but if the
: pilot says OK then it's allowed. Cellular Phones are not permitted by FCC
: regulations do to the number of Cells affected from an airplane.
Then, is suspect that the airline allows them.
Bill
Dennis Willson
>: Actually from a LEGAL FAA standpoint the PIC (Pilot in Command) of the aircraft
>: has the ultimate responsiblity. United may make rules that are 'condition of
>: employment' for that pilot. But if something goes wrong the pilot will be the
>: one at fault.
>
>That only means that the PIC can make more restrictive rules than those
>imposed by the operator. Thus, if the airline says, "no computers or
>scanners", then he is breaking the FARs by allowing them.
Not exactly. He may lose is job for allowing them, but he has broken no FARs.
This peticular section of the FARs is not specific to commercial operations.
Therefor the operator is the pilot, an airline is a carrier. An airline or
carriers employee rules or policies are not enforced by the FAA. If the carrier
wishes to make more restrictive rules than the called out in the FARs thats
OK but the FAA will not enforce the additional restrictions.(E.G. If a pilot
breaks a FAR the FAA may fine, send to jail, suspend or revoke his pilots
license. If a carrier makes more restrictive rule and the pilot breaks the more
restrictive rule but not the FAR then the FAA cannot do anything).
Airline rules and policies are not laws:
FARs are laws.
Dennis
bill nelson
: >
: >That only means that the PIC can make more restrictive rules than those
: >imposed by the operator. Thus, if the airline says, "no computers or
: >scanners", then he is breaking the FARs by allowing them.
:
: Not exactly. He may lose is job for allowing them, but he has broken no FARs.
: This peticular section of the FARs is not specific to commercial operations.
: Therefor the operator is the pilot, an airline is a carrier. An airline or
: carriers employee rules or policies are not enforced by the FAA. If the carrier
Your understanding of the term "operator" differs from mine.
: wishes to make more restrictive rules than the called out in the FARs thats
: OK but the FAA will not enforce the additional restrictions.(E.G. If a pilot
: breaks a FAR the FAA may fine, send to jail, suspend or revoke his pilots
: license. If a carrier makes more restrictive rule and the pilot breaks the more
: restrictive rule but not the FAR then the FAA cannot do anything).
The FAA rules specifically prohibit most electronic devices - "unless the
operator has determined that they are not a hazard". If the airline is
the operator, then the pilot WOULD be breaking the FAR by allowing any
device prohibited by the airline.
: Airline rules and policies are not laws:
: FARs are laws.
Actually, FARs are bureaucratic rules/regulations - not laws. Few, if any
of them, were passed by congress.
Bill
Reece R. Pollack
Sorry, you are wrong.
The FARs clearly state that the PIC of an air carrier flight is NOT the
operator. The operator is the holder of the air carrier operating certificate,
which would be United Air Lines, not the pilot. The PIC is responsible for
compliance with the FARs, thus he or she WOULD be held responsible.
The FARs basically say that with the exception of the items listed in 91.21(b),
everything is illegal unless the holder of the operating certificate wants
to step out on a limb and permit something else.
If you don't believe me, contact your local Flight Standards District Office
(FSDO) and ask them, but please stop making up your own interpretations of
the FARs.