WHO IS THE BEST LINEAR BUILDER PLEASE TELL ME?
SUGAP...@webtv.net
THINK IS WORTH THE MONEY?
TJ1072
>ARMADILLO,PIRATE,947,TRIPLE DEUCE,OR PACMAN.TELL ME FRIENDS WHO DO YOU
>THINK IS WORTH THE MONEY?
You forgot texas star and white tornado.....
Cold beer?
You Forgot GOOSERIDER, AND JOKER TOO
ColdBeer
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Before you buy.
Jeff VE3NVY
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dbuilt in antennae tune rnice amplifiers they look great an drun on either
110 o r220 volts check them out if you need a place to look you can check
out radio world here in canada at http://www.radioworld.ca
On 18 Apr 2000, TJ1072 wrote:
> > SUGAP...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >ARMADILLO,PIRATE,947,TRIPLE DEUCE,OR PACMAN.TELL ME FRIENDS WHO DO YOU
> >THINK IS WORTH THE MONEY?
>
>
> You forgot texas star and white tornado.....
>
>
jeff
aj...@hwcn.org -- or--
ve3...@rac.ca
TJ1072
> Cold beer? wrote:
> You Forgot GOOSERIDER, AND JOKER TOO
and also tnt and gray
2-IR-082 Tim
>ARMADILLO,PIRATE,947,TRIPLE DEUCE,OR PACMAN.TELL ME FRIENDS WHO DO YOU
>THINK IS WORTH THE MONEY?
Best Wishes And Good DX,
Tim 2-IR-082 Southern USA
Hottest and Most Current 11 Meter DX News:
HTTP://WWW.DXNEWS.DE
International Radio HQ Page:
HTTP://HOME.WXS.NL/~19IR01
IRDX Main Site:
HTTP://WWW.IRDX.ORG
Chuck K8CPA
>ARMADILLO,PIRATE,947,TRIPLE DEUCE,OR PACMAN.TELL ME FRIENDS WHO DO YOU
>THINK IS WORTH THE MONEY?
>
Henry.
Chuck K8CPA
General Class Amateur Radio Operator
(Soon to be Extra)
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E-mail:MailTo:k8...@qsl.net or
MailTo: therad...@mail.com or
MailTo:k8...@arrl.net
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(Download at http://www.firetalk.com)
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curio...@my-deja.com
Cold beer? <coldbe...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <20000418131839...@ng-fh1.aol.com>,
> tj1...@aol.com (TJ1072) wrote:
> >
> > >ARMADILLO,PIRATE,947,TRIPLE DEUCE,OR PACMAN.TELL ME FRIENDS WHO DO
> YOU
> > >THINK IS WORTH THE MONEY?
> >
> >
>
>
cold beer , you got it going on no doubt about it, how about the world
famous bodene????????????????,.........cd is out......
A.E. 352
A.E. 352
Chuck K8CPA wrote in message <38fcb312...@netnews.att.net>...
>On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:25:01 -0500 (CDT), SUGAP...@webtv.net wrote:
>
>>ARMADILLO,PIRATE,947,TRIPLE DEUCE,OR PACMAN.TELL ME FRIENDS WHO DO YOU
>>THINK IS WORTH THE MONEY?
>>
>
GREEN-LISTERINE
"Lowrider667" <lowri...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000418215457...@ng-ff1.aol.com...
> how do i get my hands on some Gooserider amps . >From: ri...@aol.com
(Ripsy)
> >Date: 04/18/2000 8:05 PM US Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <20000418210550...@ng-ci1.aol.com>
> >
> >gooserider gets my vote hands down.
>
>
GREEN-LISTERINE
"C> Chuck K8CPA
> General Class Amateur Radio Operator
news:38fcb312...@netnews.att.net...
Thanks to the law change you mudduck!!!!!!
GREEN-LISTERINE
"A.E. 352" <american...@iwon.com> wrote in message
news:38fd...@dnews.gisco.net...
> Henry or Ameritron...
>
> A.E. 352
> Chuck K8CPA wrote in message <38fcb312...@netnews.att.net>...
> >On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:25:01 -0500 (CDT), SUGAP...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> >>ARMADILLO,PIRATE,947,TRIPLE DEUCE,OR PACMAN.TELL ME FRIENDS WHO DO YOU
> >>THINK IS WORTH THE MONEY?
> >>
> >
> >Henry.
> >
> >
> >General Class Amateur Radio Operator
Ripsy
Lowrider667
>Date: 04/18/2000 8:05 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20000418210550...@ng-ci1.aol.com>
>
COLD as ICE
SUGAP...@webtv.net writes:
>ARMADILLO,PIRATE,947,TRIPLE DEUCE,OR PACMAN.TELL ME FRIENDS WHO DO YOU
>THINK IS WORTH THE MONEY?
Never heard of em'
Hahahaha !! Just joking but why do you keep asking the same questions?
ICE, ICE, AND MORE ICE MR. ICECOLD BIG APPLE TREES JUST GOT DOWN........
Bill Eitner
>
> ARMADILLO,PIRATE,947,TRIPLE DEUCE,OR PACMAN.TELL ME FRIENDS WHO DO YOU
> THINK IS WORTH THE MONEY?
The highest (generally available) performance amps
are made by X-Force and Dave-Made.
I just went through a period where I was a big
X-Force fan. That's mostly because I knew Dennis
(#12) was helping them. Dennis is so worth listening
to that anything he's involved with is worth backing.
Now, I just received an X-Force amp that was a
disappointment. What should I do? I've reconsidered
my position. Even Dennis admits that Dave at Dave-Made
is every bit as good at RF design as Dennis is--maybe
even better. Perhaps Dave-Made trully is the more
consistent high-performance amp builder in the long run.
In my opinion, the best custom amp overall is Pirate.
Steve at Pirate has never shown signs of complacency
and has never short-changed a customer. His amps
aren't the best performers (in my opinion) but they
are the best overall value.
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------
-=[Bill Eitner]=-
Link to A.M. Tutorial, rec.radio.cb FAQ
and The Dark Side:
http://kd6tas.conk.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Chuck K8CPA
<4wa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>"C> Chuck K8CPA
>> General Class Amateur Radio Operator
>> (Soon to be Extra)huck K8CPA" <k8...@arrl.net> wrote in message
>news:38fcb312...@netnews.att.net...
>
>Thanks to the law change you mudduck!!!!!!
>
I don't make the laws, I just abide by them.
73
DukkhaKoti
x-force has recientlly taken some cost cutting measures
one obvious change is the power cables , i used to see one single powercord ,
for big amps , like a 4 gauge . but a few i have seen , had 6-8 or 10 gauge
powercables . this i do not understand . wouldn't you get better powerflow
through one large cable ?
maby there is a good reason for this , since i know very little
i have an x-force 2 pil , and i love the lil' thing its about a year old i
think and shows no wear at all
Cold beer?
Bradley Tank, and they are one of the few boxes out there that are not
Dave Clones. Never had ANY problems whatsoever.They kick butt what can
I say?
Coldbeer
In article <20000419121859...@ng-cr1.aol.com>,
--
A.E. 352
SQUASH !!! Get a 'real' radio. Then just maybe you can make the trip to
Upstate New York! But I wouldn't bet on it.
A.E. 352
GREEN-LISTERINE <4wa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<8dj8qb$7shkn$1...@fu-berlin.de>...
GREEN-LISTERINE
I will put this 8 element quad and these large steel beast's on your ass
duck!!!
"A.E. 352" <american...@iwon.com> wrote in message
news:38fe...@dnews.gisco.net...
Crackerjack
the fun of it not the glory or the money and he isnt a copycat not like
these other ducks you guys know who you are, all you ducks out there are
just trying to make a few bucks off another mans hard work.(this person
knows who he is your real tag team for ever.)he knows what time it is.
Cold beer? <coldbe...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8dkptq$v5v$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Bill Eitner
Not everyone knows who they are. Spell it out. Who builds the best
amp in your opinion--after all that's all it is--your opinion. Some
would say Dave, some would say Bluegill--what do you say? And what
makes your opinion the most valid?
--
Bill Eitner
>
> >Bill Eitner kd6...@netzero.net wrote
> :
>
> >It would be nice if you didn't talk in circles. Lay it on the line.
> >Not everyone knows who they are. Spell it out. Who builds the best
> >amp in your opinion--after all that's all it is--your opinion. Some
> >would say Dave, some would say Bluegill--what do you say? And what
> >makes your opinion the most valid?
>
Thank you.
curio...@my-deja.com
you know what happens when a bradley tank has an encounter with a 60 mm
panzarfaust. you end up smoking and burning,....cd is out........
TJ1072
>one obvious change is the power cables , i used to see one single powercord ,
>for big amps , like a 4 gauge . but a few i have seen , had 6-8 or 10 gauge
>powercables
they have always used smaller cable than 4-gauge on their amps....one power
cable for each stage.
TJ1072
Lowrider667
MADE . MO WATTS HAS NOT WON A KEY YET . THE BEST OUT THERE ARE DAVE MADE AND NO
NAME . NOW BEFORE YOU BASH NO NAME AMPS ..THEY HAVE WON AT SOME KEYOFF,S . NO
NAME WILL JUST GET BETTER AND WIN MORE AND MORE AT THE BREAKS .
2-IR-082 Tim
stack of amps and trophies
>Speaking of mudducks, I guess 4wa...@yahoo.com pretty much sums it up!
>SQUASH !!! Get a 'real' radio. Then just maybe you can make the trip to
>Upstate New York! But I wouldn't bet on it.
curio...@my-deja.com
but it has been spelled out many times on this news group that winning
at breaks does not mean you have a better amp, it is the antenna
system , the antenna system , capiche? the proverbial base station on
wheels. these guys don't have mobiles in the mobile sense as most of us
know about , they have portable base stations that are taken to an area
and set up for one purpose and one purpose only. that is to win at
these contest, by putting as much emissions as they can in one
direction so they can be heard on some distant base station. now when
it comes down to it, i think what matters is who can field the best
daily driver . that to me says a lot. heck if i want to hammer down on
a base , then i will do it from a base and not my car. anyway, i know
this will get peak a boo's dander up , but this is what i think,..cd is
out....
tr...@webtv.net
http://community.webtv.net/tr535/DANSWEBPAGE
Crackerjack
the one building them himself, not xforce or mowatts or these other guys
calling them dave mades i think most of the guys in the ng would agree on
davemade.
<curio...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8dngog$8s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
TJ1072
No way man...someone is gonna come back out with some texas star amps and do
some serious ass kickin.....
Bill Eitner
>
> " not xforce or mowatts or these other guys
> calling them dave mades i think most of the guys in the ng would agree on
> davemade. "
>
>
> not a dave clone . i think the class "B" baising kinda proves that since i have
> not seen another amp with thant on it
Dennis (#12) developed and gave X-Force the bias
circuit.
In fact, Dennis called me yesterday and we talked
for 2 hours. He wants me to tell everyone that
he's alive and well and still working at Lucent.
Dennis has NOTHING to do with X-Force beyond
developing their bias circuit and lending a
free hand to answer questions here and there
IN THE PAST.
He's embarrassed that they built the amp that
I received once I told him what it was about.
Danny is gone and X-Force is old news. It's
time to look forward rather than backward.
Look to MoWatt (Danny is involved) and Dave
for the best stuff.
Bill Eitner
>
> The.people.at.Xforce.started.directly.from.davemade.dont.play.stupid.
> maybe.you.havent.seen.that.many.amps.in.your.day.
> So.please.tell.us.what.advantage.does.class.B.biasing.offer.the.competition.
> amp.user.
Not everyone is solely interested in AM competition.
For the more well-rounded user, Class B biasing
offers the best in efficiency and clarity on SSB.
> "DukkhaKoti" <dukkh...@aol.comniqueluv> wrote in message
> news:20000420201942...@ng-cc1.aol.com...
> > " not xforce or mowatts or these other guys
> > calling them dave mades i think most of the guys in the ng would agree on
> > davemade. "
> >
> > the people at x-force have never been anthing other than x-force .
> >
> > not a dave clone . i think the class "B" baising kinda proves that since i
> have
> > not seen another amp with thant on it
Bill Eitner
>
> craka.I.must.agree.as.well.when.dave.wants.to.really.build.an.amp.ac/or.dc.h
> e.is.as.good.as.anyone.
> but.he.is.not.just.a.good.amp.designer.he.make.many.other.electronic.items.h
> imself
> that.boggle.the.mind.No.doubt.there.are.alot.of.other.good.techs.out.there.a
> nd.each.has.
> there.own.area.where.they.are.good.or.better.than.others....
How about sending a response to the email you sent
me that I responded to?
A.E 352
A.E. 352
GREEN-LISTERINE <4wa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<8dlon3$801pr$1...@fu-berlin.de>...
>Quit stirring up shit before I keep you from hearing anyone but me
bonehead.
>I will put this 8 element quad and these large steel beast's on your ass
>duck!!!
>
>
>"A.E. 352" <american...@iwon.com> wrote in message
>news:38fe...@dnews.gisco.net...
>> Speaking of mudducks, I guess 4wa...@yahoo.com pretty much sums it up!
>> SQUASH !!! Get a 'real' radio. Then just maybe you can make the trip to
>> Upstate New York! But I wouldn't bet on it.
>>
A.E 352
A.E. 352
2-IR-082 Tim wrote in message
<20000420103420...@ng-fy1.aol.com>...
>your better take a like at 4watts site before talking like that. that man
has a
>stack of amps and trophies
>
>>Speaking of mudducks, I guess 4wa...@yahoo.com pretty much sums it up!
>>SQUASH !!! Get a 'real' radio. Then just maybe you can make the trip to
>>Upstate New York! But I wouldn't bet on it.
>
>
GREEN-LISTERINE
design. But could you tell me what makes it better than any other bias
scheme.
-=PEAKABOO=-
line is designed for on the line RF, nothing more, nothing less. In this
type of amp it is more critical to me to make something stay together at 22
or 23 volts for 10 or 12 seconds than it is to make it sound good on SSB,
biasing an amplifier is easy compared to making it stay together 22 volts
with a high SWR, that to me seems like a lot more of a challenge. If you
regulate the voltage on the base of the pills to stay extremely low it is
hard to mess up a properly biased amplifier.
Design is fun,
achievement is great,
ten ohm smoke stinks,
BUT exceeding Toshibas specs...
now that is excitement, especially when you amaze your self!!!!!!
--
-=PEAKABOO=-
"Trying not to choke,
On that 10 ohm smoke"
Check out http://www.geocities.com/watergate_rollin
"DiamondCutter" <cutsdi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:5QOL4.96$wc7....@news2.voicenet.com...
> The.people.at.Xforce.started.directly.from.davemade.dont.play.stupid.
> maybe.you.havent.seen.that.many.amps.in.your.day.
>
So.please.tell.us.what.advantage.does.class.B.biasing.offer.the.competition.
> amp.user.
DiamondCutter
COLD as ICE
dukkh...@aol.comniqueluv (DukkhaKoti) writes:
>the people at x-force have never been anthing other than x-force .
>
>not a dave clone . i think the class "B" baising kinda proves that since i
>have
>not seen another amp with thant on it
>
Dave did that loooong ago!!!!
XFORCE is a Dave Clone since the technology was taken from the experience
gotten from the davemade camp! Remember the main guy building for Xforce was
guess who a tech that learned from dave.
ICE, ICE, AND MORE ICE MR. ICECOLD BIG APPLE TREES JUST GOT DOWN........
DukkhaKoti
amp.user. "
who cares about competition amps , keydown all ya want . my lil 2 pill talks
just fine i don't want to blow the guy 3 miles away out of the water . or make
the neibors toaster dance across the counter . my bias'ed 2 pill sounds
better then my buddies unbiased 2 pill . takes less watts to push the pills to
max . and yes the ssb sounds so much clearer with the biasing . you can fry an
egg on mu buddy's 2 pil while mine runs fairly warm .
i dunno if this has to do with the biasing or overall amp design . but my lil
xforce beats a lil texas star in every way
G SEVEN
# 12 is well respected in RF design and while I dont know in detail of his
class AB work I can assure you he knows what he is talking about.
KRS
GREEN-LISTERINE <> What makes # 12's bias scheme so complex? not to say he
doesn't have a good
> design. But could you tell me what makes it better than any other bias
> scheme.
>
>
>
> > " not xforce or mowatts or these other guys
> > calling them dave mades i think most of the guys in the ng would agree
on
> > davemade. "
> >
2-IR-082 Tim
>who cares about competition amps , keydown all ya want . my lil 2 pill talks
>just fine i don't want to blow the guy 3 miles away out of the water . or
>make
>the neibors toaster dance across the counter . my bias'ed 2 pill sounds
>better then my buddies unbiased 2 pill . takes less watts to push the pills
>to
>max . and yes the ssb sounds so much clearer with the biasing . you can fry
>an
>egg on mu buddy's 2 pil while mine runs fairly warm .
>
>i dunno if this has to do with the biasing or overall amp design . but my lil
>xforce beats a lil texas star in every way
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
DiamondCutter
"Bill Eitner" <kd6...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:38FFC3D1...@netzero.net...
TJ1072
>Danny is gone and X-Force is old news. It's
> time to look forward rather than backward.
> Look to MoWatt (Danny is involved)
I think mowatts already has made its statement...."we can't hang!!!"
everything he has blows up on the line
GREEN-LISTERINE
"2-IR-082 Tim" <tim...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000421094700...@ng-cs1.aol.com...
GREEN-LISTERINE
he knows half of what he is talking about he will explain, if not he needs
to quit gum bumping.
"G SEVEN" <superiorw...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:8dp4oc$1o8a$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com...
DiamondCutter
big.deal.he.is.trying.to.use.it.for.ssb.use.as.well.as.am.
davemade.as.said.before.were.built.for.balls.to.the.wall.keying,skip,etc.Don
't.be.a.fool.and.think.dave.cannot.design.a.good.bias.supply
i.have.one.a.m200.it.is.a.1.x.2.amp.features.am/ssb.when.on.am.it.is.class.C
.when.switched.to.ssb.it.adds.bias.and.is.class.ab.
fully.regulated.bias.the.transistors.are.only.on.during.transmit.
a.bias.circuit.to.an.amp
Handy Andy
On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:53:35 -0700, while the modem was pondering it's
navel, Bill Eitner <kd6...@netzero.net> dissertated the following:
> In fact, Dennis called me yesterday and we talked
> for 2 hours. He wants me to tell everyone that
> he's alive and well and still working at Lucent.
Thanks!
Was wondering how he's been.
Regards!
:+> Andy <+:
.
... You know you're a DEDICATED CB'er when ## #######
... you listen to CONVOY for the 1,237th # # # #
... time, and it still brings a tear to # ## # #
... your eyes! # # ##
. ## ##
http://www.iserv.net/~codyspc/cbindex.htm
-=BOO'S BENCH=-
i.have.one.a.m200.it.is.a.1.x.2.amp.features.am/ssb.when.on.am.it.is.class.C
> .when.switched.to.ssb.it.adds.bias.and.is.class.ab.
> fully.regulated.bias.the.transistors.are.only.on.during.transmit.
> a.bias.circuit.to.an.amp
I personally believe that is the only way to bias an amp, it is hard to do,
it reqires a couple of relays but it is to me the best way to do it.
--
-=BOO @ The Bench=-
DukkhaKoti
it was biased . damned if i know either way
Toll Free
Texas Star has a few models out with no bias.
The modulators, I have a three pill that has no bias, and the Skeleton 225.
Toll Free
"2-IR-082 Tim" <tim...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20000421094700.09830.
0000...@ng-cs1.aol.com...
DiamondCutter
"-=BOO'S BENCH=-" <peek...@bigradios.com> wrote in message
news:pz7M4.598$PP5....@news.swbell.net...
Bill Eitner
>
> Nope
>
> Texas Star has a few models out with no bias.
>
> The modulators, I have a three pill that has no bias, and the Skeleton 225.
>
> Toll Free
Also, it's not uncommon to run no bias in Texas Star
amps that are going into competition or are run hard
in daily use in an AM-only application. It's not
uncommon for the 1.6 ohm resistors in the bias circuits
to increase in resistance due to previous transistor
failures and inadvertantly increase the bias to the
point where the transistors run hot and fail frequently.
Many techs overlook that when changing out bad transistors.
--
Bill Eitner
>
> What makes # 12's bias scheme so complex? not to say he doesn't have a good
> design. But could you tell me what makes it better than any other bias
> scheme.
I've never seen it since I was told it increases the
price of the amp by $100.
From what Dennis tells me, it's simple, very well
regulated, and immune to the effects of differing
drive levels and stray RF. That's everything you
could ask for in a bias circuit.
There are undesireable effects that Dennis uncovered
by experimenting with common diode and divider net-
work bias arrangements that prompted him to develop
his bias circuit design. The undesireable effects
are not usually catastrophic and are therefore up
for debate as to whether they're even an issue to
the average amp user. Dennis is a perfectionist--
that's as much a reason as any for why he developed
his bias circuit design. The 11th Commandment isn't:
Thou shalt use only Dennis' bias design. His is just
probably the most well thought out.
--
> "DukkhaKoti" <dukkh...@aol.comniqueluv> wrote in message
> news:20000420201942...@ng-cc1.aol.com...
> > " not xforce or mowatts or these other guys
> > calling them dave mades i think most of the guys in the ng would agree on
> > davemade. "
> >
> > the people at x-force have never been anthing other than x-force .
> >
> > not a dave clone . i think the class "B" baising kinda proves that since i
> have
> > not seen another amp with thant on it
2-IR-082 Tim
Dropmaul
copy cat builder like most.i have ran just about all their amps and done
somethings with them that the others counldn't compare to.(all meaning 2 pill
to their 32 pill)
DukkhaKoti
ordered a new amp , ands when is made i will see just how much
GREEN-LISTERINE
thought it to be such a good design.
"Bill Eitner" <kd6...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:3902AA5B...@netzero.net...
OrangeCrush
"DukkhaKoti" <dukkh...@aol.comniqueluv> wrote in message
news:20000423112127...@ng-fl1.aol.com...
OrangeCrush
joker.....
"Dropmaul" <drop...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000423111101...@ng-fw1.aol.com...
DukkhaKoti
but like i said thats a gues , i have just ordered it , haven't paid for it yet
-=PEAKABOO=-
"DukkhaKoti" <dukkh...@aol.comniqueluv> wrote in message
"At First You Say This"
>not a dave clone . i think the class "B" baising kinda proves that since i
have
>not seen another amp with thant on it
"Then You Say This"
> i never looked in it , hell if i did i wouldn't know what to lookfor . he
said
> it was biased . damned if i know either way
It seems to me that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Don't try to tell me that X-FORCE is the same now as it has always been.
--
====GREEN-LISTERINE====
BRUSH DEM TOOPHESUS
FLOSS DOZ GUMS...
AND ALWAYS GARGLE WITH DAT
GREEN LISTERINE===BREAKER-BREAKER!!!
-=PEAKABOO=-
say.
--
====GREEN-LISTERINE====
BRUSH DEM TOOPHESUS
FLOSS DOZ GUMS...
AND ALWAYS GARGLE WITH DAT
GREEN LISTERINE===BREAKER-BREAKER!!!
"OrangeCrush" <ora...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:DFHM4.291$wc7....@news2.voicenet.com...
> Well that is even a steep price to pay for a few diodes and resistors.
>
> "DukkhaKoti" <dukkh...@aol.comniqueluv> wrote in message
GREEN-LISTERINE
amplifiers.
<SUGAP...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:25940-38...@storefull-218.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> ARMADILLO,PIRATE,947,TRIPLE DEUCE,OR PACMAN.TELL ME FRIENDS WHO DO YOU
> THINK IS WORTH THE MONEY?
>
>
GREEN-LISTERINE
don't than it is a common practice to me to key up and check the voltage on
the base to make sure it is not incredibly high.news:3902A635...@netzero.net...
> > > Tim 2-IR-082 Southern USA
> > >
> > > Hottest and Most Current 11 Meter DX News:
> > > HTTP://WWW.DXNEWS.DE
> > >
> > > International Radio HQ Page:
> > > HTTP://HOME.WXS.NL/~19IR01
> > >
> > > IRDX Main Site:
> > > HTTP://WWW.IRDX.ORG
>
>
RollingRadios
>copy cat builder like most.
They used to be somwhat original, but never won anything. Now they are Dave
boxes with a different name, so maybe they are worth looking into if the price
is right.
Jet...@skipland.zzn.com
In article <8e05al$8a4je$1...@fu-berlin.de>, "GREEN-LISTERINE" <4watts@yahoo
com> wrote:
Thanks
JetStar
In article <8e05al$8a4je$1...@fu-berlin.de>, "GREEN-LISTERINE" <4wa...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Jet...@skipland.zzn.com
the term RF amp mean...and while I am asking what does a modulator
amp mean...not trying to be a smartass...just that I am a dumbass as I really
do not understand!!! :/
curio...@my-deja.com
hey bill , there is a 12 pill xforce on ebay for sale, it looks real
good, i was wondering how it compares to that piece of junk you got
from them recently? oh by the way it is item # 314659778,.....cd is
out....
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Alan_Anderson
however they don't quite do the same watts as the Dave....
My two cents...
"Bill Eitner" <kd6...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:38FD7B8A...@netzero.net...
> SUGAP...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > ARMADILLO,PIRATE,947,TRIPLE DEUCE,OR PACMAN.TELL ME FRIENDS WHO DO YOU
> > THINK IS WORTH THE MONEY?
>
> The highest (generally available) performance amps
> are made by X-Force and Dave-Made.
>
> I just went through a period where I was a big
> X-Force fan. That's mostly because I knew Dennis
> (#12) was helping them. Dennis is so worth listening
> to that anything he's involved with is worth backing.
> Now, I just received an X-Force amp that was a
> disappointment. What should I do? I've reconsidered
> my position. Even Dennis admits that Dave at Dave-Made
> is every bit as good at RF design as Dennis is--maybe
> even better. Perhaps Dave-Made trully is the more
> consistent high-performance amp builder in the long run.
>
> In my opinion, the best custom amp overall is Pirate.
> Steve at Pirate has never shown signs of complacency
> and has never short-changed a customer. His amps
> aren't the best performers (in my opinion) but they
> are the best overall value.
Alan_Anderson
The X-Forces are exactly a Dave...buy one, look at it...there isn't any
biasing....they are a Dave...
Now, 54 tried all that biasing "stuff"...you haven't seen any of his boxes
win - when he wasn't cheating....
BB runs Daves...I rest my case...
"DukkhaKoti" <dukkh...@aol.comniqueluv> wrote in message
news:20000420201942...@ng-cc1.aol.com...
> " not xforce or mowatts or these other guys
> calling them dave mades i think most of the guys in the ng would agree on
> davemade. "
>
> the people at x-force have never been anthing other than x-force .
>
TJ1072
wrote:>The X-Forces are exactly a Dave...buy one, look at it...there isn't any
>biasing....they are a Dave...
>
>Now, 54 tried all that biasing "stuff"...you haven't seen any of his boxes
>win - when he wasn't cheating....
>
>BB runs Daves...I rest my case.
BB runs just about everything...you will find the biasing in the base models of
x-force..the mobile models dont have biasing..there are a couple of very minor
things different about x-force. Dave has got a damn good amplifier there is no
doubt. I just dont see why everyone gets so hyper about another amp that is
like it. If its a good design then guess what...now there are two. Look at
cola...you have got all kinds of cola makers...pepsi, coke, RC..etc etc....see
what im sayin?....
937 chicago......
DukkhaKoti
The X-Forces are exactly a Dave...buy one, look at it...there isn't any
biasing....they are a Dave... "
x-force has biasing if you want it .
#22
OrangeCrush
name your specs
"DukkhaKoti" <dukkh...@aol.comniqueluv> wrote in message
Cold beer?
did in OKC........Where was Dave Made ??
In article <XNNM4.3545$3f2....@typhoon2.kc.rr.com>,
Jet...@skipland.zzn.com wrote:
> Ok my stupid is showing...but what does the term linear mean...and
what does
> the term RF amp mean...and while I am asking what does a modulator
> amp mean...not trying to be a smartass...just that I am a dumbass as
I really
> do not understand!!! :/
>
> In article <8e05al$8a4je$1...@fu-berlin.de>, "GREEN-LISTERINE"
<4wa...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >First of all, most of the names mentioned below are not linear, they
are RF
> >amplifiers.
> >
> >
> >
> ><SUGAP...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> >news:25940-38...@storefull-218.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> >> ARMADILLO,PIRATE,947,TRIPLE DEUCE,OR PACMAN.TELL ME FRIENDS WHO DO
YOU
> >> THINK IS WORTH THE MONEY?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
--
ColdBeer
greg
pinhead
not a
OrangeCrush
If you want to consider amatuer amps try Alpha
as the top- o- the line
"greg" <14h...@mail.dotcom.fr> wrote in message
news:3904BCED...@mail.dotcom.fr...
COLD as ICE
dukkh...@aol.comniqueluv (DukkhaKoti) writes:
> "Do what....
>
>The X-Forces are exactly a Dave...buy one, look at it...there isn't any
>biasing....they are a Dave... "
>
>
>x-force has biasing if you want it .
So does dave and he even had it before Xforce was ever created!!!
What is your point?
ICE, ICE, AND MORE ICE MR. ICECOLD BIG APPLE TREES JUST GOT DOWN........
COLD as ICE
(TJ1072) writes:
>BB runs just about everything...you will find the biasing in the base models
>of
>x-force..the mobile models dont have biasing..there are a couple of very
>minor
>things different about x-force. Dave has got a damn good amplifier there is
>no
>doubt. I just dont see why everyone gets so hyper about another amp that is
>like it. If its a good design then guess what...now there are two
They get excited because the guys from the dave camp felt that 123 stole dave's
amp design and went and started his own line copying the same exact amp.
In other words... (since you used soda)
It is just like me learning the ingredients to a popular soda like coca-cola
because I worked at the company and decided to leave and start a new company
and sell coca-cola but, I WOULD CALL IT ICE COLD COLA!!!!! Same great cola
taste!!!
Now I know concrete man is laughing!!!!
DukkhaKoti
self , someone said that exforce didnot have biasing , and he was wrong .
if ya cannot keep up with the convorsation keep out of it
2-IR-082 Tim
be able to fix one if it blew up.
>Ameritrons are far from the best amplifier.
>
>If you want to consider amatuer amps try Alpha
>as the top- o- the line
BRAND SPANKIN' NEW
ASSHOLE THAN ANYONE ON THIS BOARD.
OrangeCrush
They'LL be around for ever and ever.
Ill betcha he is laughing real hard....right about this particular 10-36
"COLD as ICE" <iceco...@aol.comICECOLD> wrote in message >
OrangeCrush
BTW I am just Orange Crush Thank You...
"2-IR-082 Tim" <tim...@aol.com> wrote in message
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pinhead
Dropmaul
goes by bigmaul on the net.And no the boxes aren't Dave made boxes,he only buys
chassis from dave nothing else.
RollingRadios
>chassis from dave nothing else.
Well that's the heart of the box (the chassis)!
DukkhaKoti
and its working
Lowrider667
here
Dropmaul
it.Didn't know u needed a definifition.
Bill Eitner
>
> hey bill , there is a 12 pill xforce on ebay for sale, it looks real
> good, i was wondering how it compares to that piece of junk you got
> from them recently?
Dennis (#12) and Carl from X-Force set up a conference
call with me yesterday. I didn't expect it and it didn't
cost me anything. I'm not a big customer either. I've
only bought two X-Force amps. In other words, their
concern is not based on the fact that losing me as a
customer would cost X-Force alot of money. The impression
I got was that Carl is genuinely concerned with improving
the product and that Dennis values my opinion enough to
listen to me and hook me up with Carl.
Both of them were trully concerned about the complaints
I had with the latest X-Force amp that I had received.
Dennis is not into it to make money. His focus is to
improve the product (CB amplifiers) in general. That
means Dennis will help *any* CB amp builder that genu-
inely wants to improve the overall quality of their pro-
duct. It just so happens that X-Force R&D is near Dennis.
Any other CB amp builder that is willing to pay to contact
Dennis with specific questions will very likely receive
accurate and timely information. Unfortunately, Dennis
isn't as easy to get ahold of as he used to be, and he
has something of a bad taste left in his mouth from his
previous on-line experience.
Over the span of an hour of more, we worked through all
of my concerns. At the end of the call I felt confident
that the product will be improved based on my observations.
My main concern was that the first amp I received outper-
formed the second one that I received (both were XT-400s).
By the end of the call there was some question as to whether
or not I had overlooked a crucial test. Since the amp
performed well and I had to deliver it to the customer, who
had purchased it as a special order (money up front), I
couldn't perform that crucial test during the conference
call since I no longer had the amp in my possession.
So, other than the minor, appearance-oriented items that
I had mentioned in an earlier post, the basic performance
of the amp could be just as good as the first one I
received.
The customer that bought the amp is installing it as we
speak. He'll very likely want me to check out his in-
stallation and the amp's overall performance. If I don't
like what I see, I'll request that the customer leave
the amp with me for further testing and possible upgrade.
I will then perform the test that Dennis suggested. Based
on the result of that test, I may be able to report that
the latest X-Force amp that I received is every bit as
good as the first one (that I was satisfied with).
I'm very happy that a custom amp builder took the time to
listen to someone other than a big distributor that might
cost them some serious money if they were to pull out.
I can say honestly that Carl at X-Force and Steve at Pirate
have taken the time to listen.
X-Force has won my trust once again. I have another
customer that in a month or so will be special ordering
the third XT-400 to go across my bench (I test every amp
I sell). If he doesn't drag his feet or flake out, I
will order that amp, thoroughly test it (including the
test that Dennis pointed out), and report my findings
on this newsgroup.
At this point, I would suggest buying the X-Force amp
that you found on e-bay given that you understand all
the standard disclaimers: The amp is used and could
be in any condition--BEWARE. The price is important
too. 50 to 75% of the price of a new amp is the max-
imum you should consider spending on a used amp. And
then you should take what you know of the amp's con-
dition into account. With e-bay you can e-mail the
seller and request pictures and info. If I were con-
templating the puchase of a CB amp on e-bay, I would
definitely contact the seller and work out any issues
I might have before I placed any bids.
> oh by the way it is item # 314659778,.....cd is
> out....
That item number came up as bad since the seller must
have labeled it a "CB" amp. The seller will probably
re-list it as some type of broadband linear RF amplifier.
Until then, I won't be able to see it unless you know
the seller's e-mail address and can forward any corres-
pondance you have with him to me.
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Good luck with buying the amp.
Keep in mind that you need a DC electrical system
that will support the amp if you expect maximum
output. 25 amps per transistor is an accepted
rule-of-thumb if you intend to compete. It's not
uncommon for people to buy an amp that their
electrical system can't properly support and then
blame the lack of output and distortion on the amp.
Don't make that mistake. Don't bid high on a 12-
pill amp if you're not ready to put together a
300 amp electrical system to support it.
Bill Eitner
>
> all this talk on the news group for so long and youve never even seen it?
I don't need to see it to understand it.
I helped develop it. I know my way around
CB amp bias circuits.
I have to correct one of the statements I
made earlier (see below): Dennis' bias
circuit is not temperature tracking. That
makes it less than everything you could ask
for in a bias circuit.
--
> >>
> >> What makes # 12's bias scheme so complex? not to say he doesn't have a good
> >> design. But could you tell me what makes it better than any other bias
> >> scheme.
> >
> > I've never seen it since I was told it increases the
> > price of the amp by $100.
> >
> > From what Dennis tells me, it's simple, very well
> > regulated, and immune to the effects of differing
> > drive levels and stray RF. That's everything you
> > could ask for in a bias circuit.
> >
> > There are undesireable effects that Dennis uncovered
> > by experimenting with common diode and divider net-
> > work bias arrangements that prompted him to develop
> > his bias circuit design. The undesireable effects
> > are not usually catastrophic and are therefore up
> > for debate as to whether they're even an issue to
> > the average amp user. Dennis is a perfectionist--
> > that's as much a reason as any for why he developed
> > his bias circuit design. The 11th Commandment isn't:
> > Thou shalt use only Dennis' bias design. His is just
> > probably the most well thought out.
> >--
> >> "DukkhaKoti" <dukkh...@aol.comniqueluv> wrote in message
> >> news:20000420201942...@ng-cc1.aol.com...
> >> > " not xforce or mowatts or these other guys
> >> > calling them dave mades i think most of the guys in the ng would agree on
> >> > davemade. "
> >> >
> >> > the people at x-force have never been anthing other than x-force .
> >> >
> >> > not a dave clone . i think the class "B" baising kinda proves that since
> >i
> >> have
> >> > not seen another amp with thant on it
> >
> >
> >--
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -=[Bill Eitner]=-
> >
> >Link to A.M. Tutorial, rec.radio.cb FAQ
> >and The Dark Side:
> >http://kd6tas.conk.com
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Best Wishes And Good DX,
> Tim 2-IR-082 Southern USA
>
> Hottest and Most Current 11 Meter DX News:
> HTTP://WWW.DXNEWS.DE
>
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>
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> HTTP://WWW.IRDX.ORG
Bill Eitner
>
> no it don't increase the price 100$ , maby 25 or so . we will find out i just
> ordered a new amp , ands when is made i will see just how much
All I can say is what Steve at Exports R Us told me.
I asked him for accessory prices (switchable SSB delay,
pre-amp, and bias) and he quoted $100 to add the bias
circuit.
Bill Eitner
>
> Well that is even a steep price to pay for a few diodes and resistors.
There's more to Dennis' bias circuit than that.
--
> "DukkhaKoti" <dukkh...@aol.comniqueluv> wrote in message
> news:20000423112127...@ng-fl1.aol.com...
> > no it don't increase the price 100$ , maby 25 or so . we will find out i
> just
> > ordered a new amp , ands when is made i will see just how much
Bill Eitner
Linear means "accurate" or "without change." In other
words, a "linear" amplifier doesn't change the waveform--
it just makes it bigger.
> and what does
> the term RF amp mean...
"RF" means "radio frequency." An RF amp may or may
not be "linear." A "linear" RF amp will amplify the
input signal without changing it too much.
> and while I am asking what does a modulator
> amp mean...
Modulators are a modified form of linear RF (CB)
amplifiers. Though the use of a certain design
trick, they amplify the positive-going modulation
swings more than the negative-going modulation
swings or the dead carrier. To understand the
concept completely requires a working understanding
of amplification in general.
> not trying to be a smartass...just that I am a dumbass as I really
> do not understand!!! :/
Study the concept of amplification. When you
fully understand the concept of a "transfer
characteristic" you'll be ready to understand
the difference between linear amps and modu-
lator amps.
--
> In article <8e05al$8a4je$1...@fu-berlin.de>, "GREEN-LISTERINE" <4wa...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >First of all, most of the names mentioned below are not linear, they are RF
> >amplifiers.
> >
> >
> >
> ><SUGAP...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> >news:25940-38...@storefull-218.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> >> ARMADILLO,PIRATE,947,TRIPLE DEUCE,OR PACMAN.TELL ME FRIENDS WHO DO YOU
> >> THINK IS WORTH THE MONEY?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
RollingRadios
>here
Exactly my point "dropmaul". The amp inside the case IS the chassis. The case
is the body.....unless somehow you think of body repair as "chassis repair".