Shakespeare army big stick 1600......how is it?
Blake Stoddard
I just recently bought a abs 1600 and i was wondering if anybody
could inform me on the performance and/or advantages of this base
antenna..... If you can help...I' really appreciate it.....
Blake Stoddard
St...@hotmail.com
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Blake Stoddard
St...@hotmail.com (Ignore the name on the e-mail)
CB Channels 13,21,30-34 (just give me a holler [Night Runner] if your in the Dale City Area)
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Jay
level. I constantly make 70 to 90 mile contacts on SSB. I use about 150 feet of LMR400 coax. The
antenna takes all the heavy winds of Mojave Desert. And it is quit broad banded.
Shakespeare had the Brass Gahonies, to say the antenna doesn't have 12 dB gain over whatever.
They just said the antenna will work, and it does. I am a happy user. The great thing with these
antennas is, that you can get-em high, without a hole lot of hardware, as compared to a larger
antenna, such as a Maco 5/8 wavelength antena.
What I don't like about the antenna is, when a cool dry wind is blowing, the fiberglass outside
body will store static electricy, and you can hear a rushing noise at times, in your receiver. To
fix this, I suggest having the antenna base or lower portion, grounded. And a 22K ohm 2 watt
carbon resistor bypass the center coax to the shield of the coax at the antenna connection. I
plan on making a copper tubbing coax extensison, which has the 22K resistor at the antenna
connection. The 22K resistor will have a insignificant effect on the antennas performance, but
will allow a path for the static electricy energy to ground, I think.
Jay at jay...@ptw.com .... In the Great Mojave Desert
Toll Free
units). They used a 10K, I believe.
Good info, though!
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Every woman likes a man with a great big Johnson!!!
Jay wrote in message <35DCE405...@ptw.com>...
Blake Stoddard
Hey jay...i have another question.....Im planning on mounting this
antenna on the roof of my house....and my question is....do i need to
tie this thing down to the roof or is it sturdy enough jsut the way it
is....The place when im planning on mounting the antenna is about 25
feet off the ground and it sometimes get a little windy up there.
Anyway...Id really appreciate the info.. Thanks
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dana
is still up, and we put it up back in the early 60's n4pge
http://www.randomc.com/~dana
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On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Jay wrote:
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:05:42 -0700
> From: Jay <jay...@ptw.com>
> To: Blake Stoddard <St...@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
> Subject: Re: Shakespeare army big stick 1600......how is it?
dana
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On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Toll Free wrote:
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:22:15 -0500
> From: Toll Free <toll...@bigradios.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
> Subject: Re: Shakespeare army big stick 1600......how is it?
>
> Cobra used to put one of those resistors in there radios (the SSB Base
> units). They used a 10K, I believe.
>
> Good info, though!
>
>
> --
> Remember.... Technicians make it happen!
>
> Toll Free
> http://www.bigradios.com/tollfree
> One of the Big Johnson Boys in the Dome!
>
> Every woman likes a man with a great big Johnson!!!
> Jay wrote in message <35DCE405...@ptw.com>...
Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro
>
> that is the first antenna i started out with, and believe it or not,
it
>
> is still up, and we put it up back in the early 60's n4pge
how could that be? the model just came out about a year ago.
Ron
http://pages.prodigy.com/nysleeper/index.html
Bob Bethman
"specific" model may have just come out, but it isn't "new". They have just
made a few "minor" changes - perhaps
Bob Bethman
N0DGN/4
CBRambo
writes:
>
>Simple. The Shakespeare Big Stick has been around for a L-O-N-G time. This
>"specific" model may have just come out, but it isn't "new". They have just
>made a few "minor" changes - perhaps
Certainly not worth $100!
"Where's that big 'ol CB RAMBO??"
"I wanna hear him TALK TOUGH!!"
Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro
>
> Simple. The Shakespeare Big Stick has been around for a L-O-N-G
time. This
> "specific" model may have just come out, but it isn't "new". They
have just
> made a few "minor" changes - perhaps
>
> N0DGN/4
>
do you even know the difference between the two antennas? get your
facts straight.
Ron
http://pages.prodigy.com/nysleeper/index.html
dana
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On 22 Aug 1998, Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro wrote:
> Date: 22 Aug 1998 03:36:02 GMT
> From: "Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro" <EZE...@prodigy.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
> Subject: Re: Shakespeare army big stick 1600......how is it?
>
Bob Bethman
of the two. Essentially they are the same. A big stick is a big stick.
Have no idea what spurred the caustic comment, don't much care. Provided the
answer.
Get a life.
Bob
Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro wrote:
Toll Free
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Toll Free
http://www.bigradios.com/tollfree
One of the Big Johnson Boys in the Dome!
Every woman likes a man with a great big Johnson!!!
Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro wrote in message
<6rnuvn$6ee8$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
>Bob Bethman wrote on Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:40:26 -0400:
>>
>> My facts are straight. I have no intent on providing a "full"
>technical review
>> of the two. Essentially they are the same. A big stick is a big
>stick.
>>
>
>well, to inform you, the abs-1600 is 5/8ths wave and has 3 sections
>and is more durably built. the original big stick is a 1/2 wave and has
>2 sections.
>Ron
>http://pages.prodigy.com/nysleeper/index.htm
Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro
Bob Bethman
sections and 1/2.
The whole point the man had been making is that is is DURABLE. The original is
STILL
up and working.
I wouldn't have one, I prefer better antennas. Most of mine are horizontally
polarized.
You haven't made ANY point yet. Another part-time NG lurker.....
Either make a real point or simply melt away.
Bob
N0DGN/4
Bob Bethman
Bob
Toll Free wrote:
> And in the eyes of a trailer park CBer, that would be the same thing!
>
> --
> Remember.... Technicians make it happen!
>
> Toll Free
> http://www.bigradios.com/tollfree
> One of the Big Johnson Boys in the Dome!
>
> Every woman likes a man with a great big Johnson!!!
> Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro wrote in message
> <6rnuvn$6ee8$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro
> >
> > My facts are straight. I have no intent on providing a "full"
>
> technical review
> > of the two.
that's understandable. we didn't think you were capable of that even
with your all mighty ham licence anyway.
> I wouldn't have one, I prefer better antennas. Most of mine are
horizontally
> polarized.
still using that old tattered tv antenna to work the 2 meter repeater
all night?
CBRambo
(Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro) writes:
>> Bob Bethman wrote on Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:40:26 -0400:
>> >
>> > My facts are straight. I have no intent on providing a "full"
>>
>> technical review
>> > of the two.
>
>
>that's understandable. we didn't think you were capable of that even
>with your all mighty ham licence anyway.
You tell him, TOUGH GUY!!
Bob Bethman
Try contributing something useful to the group. Then you
might even get more than the short shrift you currently deserve.
You must be one of the 2 meter twits. I know you haven't heard
my call on two.
But you probably use cable. Too inept to install an antenna.
BTW, how about sticking to PUBLIC postings. Like this trash you sent me:
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Subject: Internet Message
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:30:57, -0500
From: rond...@prodigy.com (MR RONALD E SHAPIRO)
To: rbet...@erols.com
The POINT is, it is NOT the same antenna. YOU are the the one name
calling . I caught you at your own game and that upsets you. AND you
missed the first post. So stop playing little big man with your ham
radio license and go play with your little radios.
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Saints preserve us. Another one.........
Bob Bethman
N0DGN/4
IUD (on 11mtrs)
Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro wrote:
> > Bob Bethman wrote on Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:40:26 -0400:
> > >
> > > My facts are straight. I have no intent on providing a "full"
> >
> > technical review
> > > of the two.
>
> that's understandable. we didn't think you were capable of that even
>
> with your all mighty ham licence anyway.
>
Toll Free
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Bob Bethman wrote in message <35E02DD3...@erols.com>...
Jabba T. Hutt
and them is me or a friend of mine, its a long story but I was in a
car accident and the guy that hit me was charged with careless driving
and when we were in court he brought up the CB radio thing and when it
was all done and over with the charges were dropped and the judge had
called my friend and LIARS and CB RAMBO'S, so officially you cannot
call someone else that.
HAHAHAHA I needed a good laugh but this is a true story.
On 23 Aug 1998 14:44:14 GMT, cbr...@aol.com (CBRambo) wrote:
>In article <6rp9ff$buta$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, EZE...@prodigy.com
>(Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro) writes:
>
>>> Bob Bethman wrote on Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:40:26 -0400:
>>> >
>>> > My facts are straight. I have no intent on providing a "full"
>>>
>>> technical review
>>> > of the two.
>>
>>
>>that's understandable. we didn't think you were capable of that even
>>with your all mighty ham licence anyway.
>
CBRambo
writes:
> Don't use the CB Rambo thing unless you are talking to them,
>and them is me or a friend of mine, its a long story but I was in a
>car accident and the guy that hit me was charged with careless driving
>and when we were in court he brought up the CB radio thing and when it
>was all done and over with the charges were dropped and the judge had
>called my friend and LIARS and CB RAMBO'S, so officially you cannot
>call someone else that.
You tell 'em, TOUGH GUY!
drg...@ziplink.net
wrote:
>It is still a big stick. Now it has three sections and is 5/8ths instead of 2
>sections and 1/2.
>The whole point the man had been making is that is is DURABLE. The original is
>STILL
>up and working.
It's not anything like the original. The new one can actually take
power; the old big sticks were easily "fried".
>I wouldn't have one, I prefer better antennas. Most of mine are horizontally
>polarized.
Have fun talking to mobiles with your dipole. I don't see why its
"better" unless you are working DX or talking to other stations with
horizontally polarized antennas. I use them both, and the vertical
1/4 wave I have usually works better than the dipole.
-Mike
drg...@ziplink.net
<toll...@bigradios.com> wrote:
>Professor Incarnate!
Just figures, we get the professor to calm down and now someone else
wants to take his former seat! hehehe....
drg...@ziplink.net
wrote:
>Simple. The Shakespeare Big Stick has been around for a L-O-N-G time. This
>"specific" model may have just come out, but it isn't "new". They have just
>made a few "minor" changes - perhaps
>
>Bob Bethman
>N0DGN/4
>
The newer shakespeare antennas are QUITE a bit different from the
previous models.... The old big stick was just a fiberglass
cylinder with a 102" whip in the top. Then they had something
called the pogo stick, which was the same only the top half was like
aluminum or something.... dont exactly remember. And the ABS-1600
doesnt look like either one.
-Mike
Bob Bethman
> On Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:23:23 -0400, Bob Bethman <rbet...@erols.com>
> wrote:
>
> >It is still a big stick. Now it has three sections and is 5/8ths instead of 2
> >sections and 1/2.
> >The whole point the man had been making is that is is DURABLE. The original is
> >STILL
> >up and working.
>
> It's not anything like the original. The new one can actually take
> power; the old big sticks were easily "fried".
The general structure mthodology is the same. You can't pour 12KW through most
antennas anyway.
> >I wouldn't have one, I prefer better antennas. Most of mine are horizontally
> >polarized.
>
> Have fun talking to mobiles with your dipole. I don't see why its
> "better" unless you are working DX or talking to other stations with
> horizontally polarized antennas. I use them both, and the vertical
> 1/4 wave I have usually works better than the dipole.
I manage to do very well over a range of about 12 to 15 miles. I KNOW mobilesare
vertically polarized. Perhaps I don't talk mostly to them?
>
>
> -Mike
Bob
Bob Bethman
drg...@ziplink.net wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:14:50 -0400, Bob Bethman <rbet...@erols.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Simple. The Shakespeare Big Stick has been around for a L-O-N-G time. This
> >"specific" model may have just come out, but it isn't "new". They have just
> >made a few "minor" changes - perhaps
> >
> >Bob Bethman
> >N0DGN/4
> >
>
> The newer shakespeare antennas are QUITE a bit different from the
> previous models.... The old big stick was just a fiberglass
> cylinder with a 102" whip in the top. Then they had something
> called the pogo stick, which was the same only the top half was like
> aluminum or something.... dont exactly remember. And the ABS-1600
> doesnt look like either one.
>
> -Mike
Oh great master of all. Perhaps you had better go look at the "bottom" part of a
big stick (old) one again.Now YOU are acting like Prof incarnate. It is
absolutely NOT a fiberglass tube. It is INDEED a 1/4 wave counterpoise. For
folks like you - that means a ground plane that happens to have fiberglass over
it.
Then again you may feel that the fiberglass 102" whip was ALL fiberglass
too......
Bob
Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro
Stephen D Green
bloody antenna work or not? How does it compare with the others on the
market(Antron, Mako etc).
I don't have one, but somebody must, let's answer the question !
Bob Bethman wrote in message <35EDCE2A...@erols.com>...
Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro
and apologize to the group.
Ron
http://pages.prodigy.com/nysleeper/index.html
Bob Bethman
Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro wrote:
You mean like Bozo did here? Do YOU believe the botom is "simply" a fiberglass
tube?
Speak oh great toothless one....
kf4ouz
kit from the Maco 5/8 wave to it at a lower height thr AR10 is 2 s-units better. Its
like turning on the amp.
drg...@ziplink.net wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:23:23 -0400, Bob Bethman <rbet...@erols.com>
> wrote:
>
> >It is still a big stick. Now it has three sections and is 5/8ths instead of 2
> >sections and 1/2.
> >The whole point the man had been making is that is is DURABLE. The original is
> >STILL
> >up and working.
>
> It's not anything like the original. The new one can actually take
> power; the old big sticks were easily "fried".
>
> >I wouldn't have one, I prefer better antennas. Most of mine are horizontally
> >polarized.
>
> Have fun talking to mobiles with your dipole. I don't see why its
> "better" unless you are working DX or talking to other stations with
> horizontally polarized antennas. I use them both, and the vertical
> 1/4 wave I have usually works better than the dipole.
>
> -Mike
Mr. Ronald E. Shapiro
CBRambo
writes:
>Oh great master of all. Perhaps you had better go look at the "bottom" part
>of
>a
>big stick (old) one again.Now YOU are acting like Prof incarnate. It is
>absolutely NOT a fiberglass tube. It is INDEED a 1/4 wave counterpoise. For
>folks like you - that means a ground plane that happens to have fiberglass
>over
>it.
You tell 'em, TOUGH GUY! You HAMBOS know everything, after all.
rbet...@erols.com
Perhaps you would like to enlighten everyone then. If the base of the antenna
is NOT a counterpoise, (i.e., metallic conductor under fiberglass attached to
shield of coaxial cable....), then what is it?
On top of that you now E-mail threats?
> Subject: Internet Message
> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:56:23, -0500
> From: rond...@prodigy.com (MR RONALD E SHAPIRO)
> To: rbet...@erols.com
>
>
> Please don't e-mail me. I will prosecute you for harassment if you
> continue.
>
Since I have only sent a grand total of two or perhaps three messages, you can
perhaps enlighten all as to what constitutes harrassment.
The original issue was and still is the DURABILITY of the antenna.
Shakespeare has maintained the same standards of manufacturing and quality
for over thirty years. The individual whom posted that they had an original
1/4 wave Big Stick simply attested to this. You have claimed that it has no
bearing on the new ABS 1600. I countered to the contrary. Ever since you
have continued to verbosely cast aspersions.
First - Demonstrate your superior knowledge. Other than the original being
constructed of two pieces and being the equivalent of a vertical dipole with
1/4 wave for radiator and 1/4 wave of counterpoise for the other and the ABS
1600 now being a 5/8 wave composed of three pieces with the same general
construction.
Second - You are abviously one that has absolutely no intention of providing
any useful commentary to this group under any circumstances. Every great
once in awhile you pop by the group and take some cheap shot at someone that
demonstrates your lack of like for the CB community and your blatant
ineptitude. Once again, either contribute something useful to someone IF you
are capable or please go off and play with your two meter buddies, which is
apparently where you are best suited to be.
Third - Apparently you have a feeling of superiority over those whom do not
have a ham license. You have my deepest sympathy. You must live a very
terrible life with such a small mind.
Good day.
Bob
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rbet...@erols.com wrote in message <6sojro$di8$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
CBRambo
<sdg...@email.msn.com> writes:
>So does the antenna work or not?
He doesn't know; he's too busy TALKING TOUGH about supposed "e-mail
harrassment."
Jay
antenna, in my opinion. Look at the beginning of this thread, for more info.
The web site for the Shakespeare ABS 1600 Antenns is:
http:/www.shakespeare-ef.com/abs1600.htm
Notice that the Shakespeare web site, antenna pattern data does not show a
antenna gain dB rating. They have said this about the antennas 12.5dBi gain that
WAS advertised.
(And we all know that Bill Orr book "The Truth About CB Antennas" on page 79
shows a antennas truth table, that shows a 5/8 wavelength antenna to have 1.2 dB
more gain as compared to a 1/2 wavelength antenna. But the 5/8 wavelength
antenna also has a lower take off angle than a 1/2 wavelength antenna. This
giving the 5/8 wavelength antenna better performance for local and skip
stations.)
From the Sharesperse web site:
*Shakespeare Company has previously published a gain rating of 12.5dBi. This
rating was intended to convey our belief that we have a
superior performance product. This rating has been called into question. With
100 plus years of continuous business operations we believe a
major reason for our tenure is our honesty and integrity in our products and our
service. We at Shakespeare Company want to ensure that our
customers are satisfied.
Accordingly, if you purchased the ABS-1600 based on the 12.5dBi rating and are
unhappy with the performance of this product, we will fully
refund the purchase price of the antenna with the return of the antenna and
proof of purchase. Simply return the product to your place of
purchase.
Jay at jay...@ptw.com .... In the Great Mojave Desert, just down the road ah
ways from the filling station.
Bob Bethman
No. I do not run or test a bunch of different antennas.
Bob
Stephen D Green wrote:
> So does the antenna work or not?
>
Bob Bethman
Stephen D Green wrote:
> So does the antenna work or not?
>
I have know idea exactly what you are looking for in an
antenna. I can only give you the following information.
The larger the wave size of the antenna the better the signal
it will provide to other receivers of your signal. The reverse
applies to your receiver.
An extremely short antenna element will "work". Its
efficiency and desireability will be low. An 18" element with
a base matching section or RC network will tune to the desired
frequency. It will produce very low level signals. It will also
capture very low level signals (your receiver will only pick up
signals near you and further out stations will not be heard or very
scratchy - low level is perhaps the wrong terminology). This
interprets into very short range on both transmit and receive.
A quarter wave (1/4) will do much better. A half wave (1/2)
will do better yet, and a five eigths wave (5/8) will do better
again. Each succeeding longer wavelength antenna will
outperform the shorter ones because it provides better
radiating area and better capture area.
The great debates begin over whether one manufacturer's
antenna does "better" than another's. The reality is
frustrating at best, but is indeed the truth. Any single
5/8ths wave antenna does "essentially" the same as any
other. The reason is simple. The electrical characteristics
are the same. The gain of an antenna is determined against
some standard measurement. Manufacturer's attempt to
give themselves a marketing advantage over another by
publishing figures that place them in a better position.
So they do this by not always stating what standard these
figures are based on.
The boiled down results are simply that essentially ALL
1/4 wave ground planes will be equal, as are ALL 1/2 wave,
and ALL 5/8 wave ones. The specific installation has MORE
to do with the results than anything else.
The first rule is the higher above the ground the better. The
better the feedline or coaxial cable the better. The closer to a
VSWR of 1:1 the better. Feed it with RG-8 instead of RG-58
and you are going to do better. Feed it with RG-213 in lieu
of either of them and you will do better yet. The caveat to
this is that if you use cheap coax you can change this outcome.
Very high quality RG-58 can outperform cheap RG-8. Stay
away from the Radio Shack variety. They are very inexpensive
and have poor shields at best. The denser the shield, i.e., the
less light or space seen through it the better. Cable with
multiple shields are better yet.
The end result? the Shakespeare ABS-1600 5/8wave will
essentially perform the same as any other 5/8wave feed with
the same coax and mounted at the same height.
Bob
(Flame proof shorts on)
Bob Bethman
with the loss of our first born grandson. This is a difficult time at best.
Bob
Bob Bethman wrote:
> Yes the antenna works. Do I know specific measurements compared to another?
> No. I do not run or test a bunch of different antennas.
>
> Bob
>
> Stephen D Green wrote:
>
> > So does the antenna work or not?
> >
Porky
gain on TX and RX as soon as he put a "Big Army" up, I took my Antron 99
down and put 1 up also. I was careful to write down the performance(meter
readings) of the Antron to that same friend and from that friend just before
we made the switch. The Big Army outperforms the Antron quite noticeably. My
friend lives about 5 miles away as the crow flies and his meter read 1 "S"
unit more of my signal after the switch and I had a db more of him on my
receive. We did not change anything except antennas. Hope this is the info
you were looking for. I like the Big Army and am glad I made the switch of
course..."Porky"
Professor
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Bob Bethman wrote in message <35F16275...@erols.com>...
Jay
http://www.shakespeare-ef.com/abs1600.htm
I don't know how this get messed up?
Jay at jay...@ptw.com .... In the Great Mojave Desert
Jay wrote:
Jay
http://www.shakespeare-ef.com/cb/abs1600.htm
I must be getting ready for Labor Day CB BBQ
DB850
people to buy thier products 12.5 db and the antron 9.9 db
what are these numbers from, gain over a dummy load????
Ken Hansen
the company is the one that tells you they were wrong (or, in the
case of Shakespeare, they could mis-lead you)!
They admint the mistake, they offer to buy back every antenna bought
under this misconception, and they are QUITE public about it... In
my book they are doing The Right Thing.
BTW - the Antron 9.9 db gain looks a little fishy to me as well, but
I have no exp. with either antenna, that just seem like a Whole Lotta
Gain from an omnidirectional antenna!
--
Ken
kha...@pluto.njcc.com
dennis W. Ostrowski
>
> I apologize for this comment. My wife and I are having a difficult time dealing
> with the loss of our first born grandson. This is a difficult time at best.
Bob,
I lost My first born grandaughter a few months
ago.
It was the first time I have cried since I
returned from Vietnam in 1970....
Hang in there........
You will never get over it, but it does get
easier with time....
God Bless!
Dennis
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