Need "roger-beep(tone) circuits"
David Ingram
the microphone [4-pin female] and radio [pdc-29/4 pin-male connector].
Also, would like to wire roger-beep to sound when PTT switch is pushed in, as well as sounding when PTT is released.
Thank you.
Kelly Flowers
I always wondered about these. Why do you want a "roger-beep" mic in
the first place. Does it help you communicate in some way? Does it
help others in some way? Or do you think its just "neat". Are you
looking for attention? Do you want others to notice you? I hear
people's transmissions with them and they sound rather annoying.
Here's your opportunity as a representative of those folks who use these
gimmicks to explain what value they add to those of us who struggle with
their purpose.
Kelly Flowers
Rob Neff
I think you answered your own question(s), (GRIN). Everyone has thier
own reasons (and you mentioned most of them), but the majority seem to
want to be "cool", as if a beep can do that. Around here, they seem to
use them more for the 'annoyance' potential rather than anything else.
The only potential enhancement to operation a beep could make is on
side-band when the signals are low, and you cannot tell when the other
station has finished transmitting. But, wouldn't just saying "Over" do
just as good. (SMILE)
Rob
+++ "10-9, someone keyed up on your last post."
Enno
>David:
>I always wondered about these. Why do you want a "roger-beep" mic in
>the first place. Does it help you communicate in some way? Does it
>help others in some way? Or do you think its just "neat". Are you
>looking for attention? Do you want others to notice you? I hear
>people's transmissions with them and they sound rather annoying.
>Here's your opportunity as a representative of those folks who use these
>gimmicks to explain what value they add to those of us who struggle with
>their purpose.
>Kelly Flowers
Yes I does help me to communicate with my friends especially on SSB
with poor skip. My best friends live about 1000-1500km away and with
some QRM or QRN they like it much when I use a rogerbeeb.
What is your problem???? Such a big deal?
Enno
DRT
"73" DR"T"
Fast Trak
>
> David:
>
> I always wondered about these. Why do you want a "roger-beep" mic in
> the first place. Does it help you communicate in some way? Does it
> help others in some way? Or do you think its just "neat". Are you
> looking for attention? Do you want others to notice you? I hear
> people's transmissions with them and they sound rather annoying.
>
1) When using SSB, a carrier signal is not transmitted therfore
the roger beep serves as notifying the receiving station that the
transmission is complete.
2) When using AM a carrier is transmitted which the receiving station
can hear drop out so the only purpose of using a beep on AM is to
annoy others.
drg...@kilrah.iii.net
K.Sorgatz) wrote:
>>2) When using AM a carrier is transmitted which the receiving station
>>can hear drop out so the only purpose of using a beep on AM is to
>>annoy others.
>
> If the person you are talking to cant tell when you are finished, they
>must either be deaf, stupid or the band is too congested to have a good
>QSO. This is not an acceptable reason to have one of those noisemakers
>and BTW they are NOT legal! Which leaves your reason #2...just another
>tool of the mentally-defective agitators on CB!
>
> (I suppose next some moron is gonna come by here and try to tell us that
>there's a valid reason to run an echo mic! ;) )
>sor...@avatar.tti.com (or:e...@soldev.tti.com) KB6LUY (private email:e...@westworld.com)
>TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90405
>"ANY COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS MADE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF CITICORP, ITS SUBSIDIARIES
>OR AFFILIATES." (Copyright 1995, ARR-permission to store/archive hereby granted)
Hey, I got a good valid reason for you to leave the people in here
alone: Obviously, you are dissapointed with the content contained
within, and therefore you should leave and go to alt.flame or some
other usenet group where such a posting is warranted.
-Dr. Grant
Who, me?
> (I suppose next some moron is gonna come by here and try to tell us that
>there's a valid reason to run an echo mic! ;) )
>sor...@avatar.tti.com (or:e...@soldev.tti.com) KB6LUY (private email:e...@westworld.com)
>TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90405
>"ANY COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS MADE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF CITICORP, ITS SUBSIDIARIES
>OR AFFILIATES." (Copyright 1995, ARR-permission to store/archive hereby granted)
I had a radio 'tech' tell me that I should use an echo-board on my
radio. He said that it would be similar to a *speech processor*. I
was more than a little bit skeptical. It's amazing where people come
up with this stuff.
Chet
au
writes:
>
>In article <4fnh05$s...@scramble.lm.com> Fast Trak
<an...@telerama.lm.com> writes:
>>>
>>Roger Beeps serve 2 purposes
>>
>>1) When using SSB, a carrier signal is not transmitted therfore
>>the roger beep serves as notifying the receiving station that the
>>transmission is complete.
>>
>>can hear drop out so the only purpose of using a beep on AM is to
>>annoy others.
>
> If the person you are talking to cant tell when you are finished,
they
>must either be deaf, stupid or the band is too congested to have a
good
>QSO. This is not an acceptable reason to have one of those noisemakers
>and BTW they are NOT legal! Which leaves your reason #2...just another
>tool of the mentally-defective agitators on CB!
>
Dave O'Neal
>
>sor...@avatar.tti.com (Erik K.Sorgatz) wrote:
>> (I suppose next some moron is gonna come by here and try to tell us that
>>there's a valid reason to run an echo mic! ;) )
>
>>sor...@avatar.tti.com (or:e...@soldev.tti.com) KB6LUY (private
email:e...@westworld.com)
>>TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90405
>>"ANY COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS MADE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF CITICORP,
ITS SUBSIDIARIES
>>OR AFFILIATES." (Copyright 1995, ARR-permission to store/archive hereby
granted)
>
>radio. He said that it would be similar to a *speech processor*. I
>was more than a little bit skeptical. It's amazing where people come
>up with this stuff.
>
>Chet
>
some years ago and most of the stations I worked for wanted to be
the LOUDEST station on the band. One of the common tecniques was
to add a little digital echo to the audio. I've seen the results...
it; WITHOUT QUESTION, made the signal LOUDER.
Dave O'Neal
Who, me?
>On Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:33:23 GMT, sor...@avatar.tti.com (Erik
>K.Sorgatz) wrote:
>> If the person you are talking to cant tell when you are finished, they
>>must either be deaf, stupid or the band is too congested to have a good
>>QSO. This is not an acceptable reason to have one of those noisemakers
>>and BTW they are NOT legal! Which leaves your reason #2...just another
>>tool of the mentally-defective agitators on CB!
>>
>> (I suppose next some moron is gonna come by here and try to tell us that
>>there's a valid reason to run an echo mic! ;) )
>>sor...@avatar.tti.com (or:e...@soldev.tti.com) KB6LUY (private email:e...@westworld.com)
>>TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90405
>>"ANY COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS MADE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF CITICORP, ITS SUBSIDIARIES
>>OR AFFILIATES." (Copyright 1995, ARR-permission to store/archive hereby granted)
>Hey, I got a good valid reason for you to leave the people in here
>alone: Obviously, you are dissapointed with the content contained
>within, and therefore you should leave and go to alt.flame or some
>other usenet group where such a posting is warranted.
>-Dr. Grant
Yeah, you should let these people continue in their ignorance. They don't
want to hear that rodger beeps have no useful purpose. Their rodger beep
is the source of their self esteem. Leave them alone. And if they are
really in need of an ego boost, they will get an echo mic so that other
people will think that they are "cool". It's a form therapy for a poor
self image. It must be, because the only purpose of using a beep or echo
device is to attract attention.
Chet
Bill Nelson
: >
: >I had a radio 'tech' tell me that I should use an echo-board on my
: >radio. He said that it would be similar to a *speech processor*. I
: >was more than a little bit skeptical. It's amazing where people come
: >up with this stuff.
: Actually; Chet, there is some truth to that. I worked in broadcasting
: some years ago and most of the stations I worked for wanted to be
: the LOUDEST station on the band. One of the common tecniques was
: to add a little digital echo to the audio. I've seen the results...
: it; WITHOUT QUESTION, made the signal LOUDER.
I have never heard of them using echo. They HAVE used compression for
decades.
Bill
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>Subject: Re: Roger-Beeps are lame!
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I agree with bill I've heard the same thing and if adjusted right it does
improve the punch in the audio.
IronMan
>Dave O'Neal (don...@tcac.com) wrote:
>: >
>: >I had a radio 'tech' tell me that I should use an echo-board on my
>: >radio. He said that it would be similar to a *speech processor*. I
>: >was more than a little bit skeptical. It's amazing where people come
>: >up with this stuff.
>: >
>: Actually; Chet, there is some truth to that. I worked in broadcasting
>: some years ago and most of the stations I worked for wanted to be
>: the LOUDEST station on the band. One of the common tecniques was
>: to add a little digital echo to the audio. I've seen the results...
>: it; WITHOUT QUESTION, made the signal LOUDER.
>I have never heard of them using echo. They HAVE used compression for
>decades.
>Bill
Think about this logically guys. What is a compression mike doing?
Its amplifying the weak portion of speech and leaving the strong part
alone. (at least that is what they purport to do) Now by amplifying
portions of speech you are effectively incrwasing the average
modulation. This increase in average modulation is what gives your
signal that extra punch. Now think of a clipping mike, it amplifies
everything equally but clips off the over modulated audio to keep it
at 95%. This method also increases average modulation, but causes
some distortion because parts of the audio are clipped from the
signal. Am I in the ballpark on these? Now thinl of an echo mike,
what does it do, It echos audio. When this echo is repeated it adds
strong audio into the weaker audio. Granted, too much and it is
unintelligible, too little and it is not "cool" But, the net effect
is an increase in the average modulation. This increase has it's
drawbacks of course. The use of echo makes the speech harder to
understand and is the big objection to this. From a technical
standpoint however, there is no disputing that an increase in the
average modulation is achieved at the cost of understandability. For
my own station I use a compression mike because it seems to have the
least distortion, and I would recommend this method over any other for
the average radio enthusiast.
Please don't send me hate mail explainig that echo mikes are illegal,
I didn't say they were, and I am not supporting there use. But, don't
deny that a gain is occurring, because it is.
By the way, I use the CB frequencies as well as the amateur
frequencies, and have as much fun on both. Isn't this what it's
about.
KB2WCK
73's
drg...@kilrah.iii.net
>: Actually; Chet, there is some truth to that. I worked in broadcasting
>: some years ago and most of the stations I worked for wanted to be
>: the LOUDEST station on the band. One of the common tecniques was
>: to add a little digital echo to the audio. I've seen the results...
>: it; WITHOUT QUESTION, made the signal LOUDER.
>
>I have never heard of them using echo. They HAVE used compression for
>decades.
>
>Bill
Uh, that guy is wrong.... Take any modulation meter or scope and
watch what happens when you add echo... it lops off the modulation
vioce peaks and cancels itself... (At least with short delay times)
thus peak modulation is actually decreased...... It also makes
people hard to understand......
(All this is dependent on what type of delay/transmission mode/etc
you're using)
-Dr. Grant
Jumping Jack Flash
->On Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:33:23 GMT, sor...@avatar.tti.com (Erik
->K.Sorgatz) wrote:
->
->>>2) When using AM a carrier is transmitted which the receiving
station
->>>can hear drop out so the only purpose of using a beep on AM is to
->>>annoy others.
->>
->> If the person you are talking to cant tell when you are finished,
they
->>must either be deaf, stupid or the band is too congested to have a
good
->>QSO. This is not an acceptable reason to have one of those
noisemakers
->>and BTW they are NOT legal! Which leaves your reason #2...just
another
->>tool of the mentally-defective agitators on CB!
I suppose NASA is also mentally-defective too huh? That's where the
roger beep came from. I wonder why they would want to use one for?
Just another lame person who the world would be better without. You
sound like a perfect person for the ham test. Go take it, then get off
CB! Then lo and behold you will have a paper to back up your brains.
Which like most on here are
1. Good memory, abilty to read a ham RF book and quote till they drop
dead then pass the info on to us while have no understanding of how
the real world works.
2. Total lack of common sense.
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>signal. Am I in the ballpark on these? Now thinl of an echo mike,
>what does it do, It echos audio. When this echo is repeated it adds
>strong audio into the weaker audio. Granted, too much and it is
>unintelligible, too little and it is not "cool" But, the net effect
>is an increase in the average modulation. This increase has it's
you left out fart modulation. this i think by far has the greatest
increase in modulation output. i just put the mike up to my ass
after a good mexican lunch and blast out a huge one. you wouldnt
believe how far i can get out with this technique. people i talk
to can hear me just fine and they know what i mean just by my
intonation and inflection...
d
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>>From: bi...@PEAK.ORG (Bill Nelson)
>>Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
>>Subject: Re: Roger-Beeps are lame!
>>Date: 24 Feb 1996 06:12:58 GMT
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>>: >
>>: >I had a radio 'tech' tell me that I should use an echo-board on my
>>: >radio. He said that it would be similar to a *speech processor*. I
>>: >was more than a little bit skeptical. It's amazing where people come
>>: >up with this stuff.
>>: >
broadcasting
>>: some years ago and most of the stations I worked for wanted to be
>>: the LOUDEST station on the band. One of the common tecniques was
>>: to add a little digital echo to the audio. I've seen the results...
>>: it; WITHOUT QUESTION, made the signal LOUDER.
>>
>>I have never heard of them using echo. They HAVE used compression for
>>decades.
>>
>>Bill
>
you'll hear echo, like you've never heard echo.. :^)
souzaelet...@gmail.com
> the microphone [4-pin female] and radio [pdc-29/4 pin-male connector].
> Also, would like to wire roger-beep to sound when PTT switch is pushed in, as well as sounding when PTT is released.
> Thank you.
Guy T
The 4093 is VERY easy to use - one capacitor and one resistor will turn one of the gates into an oscialltor, you have four of these per chip.
I would use one gate to make the tone (eg; 600 Hz), then another one to set the beep duration - eg: 2 Hz for a half second tone burst,. The other two gates can be used to buffer the first.
Having a quick search, you might get close to what you need here:- https://www.qsl.net/dl4mea/roger.htm
73s