F/S Elkin 8 Tube base amp
Train
condition. Uses 8 12DK6 tubes (I just checked the price on these.....they
are $12.00 each).
This IS an AM and SSB unit!
Amp on low w/ 2 watts in D/K is 50 watts swinging 600.
Amp on high w/ 2 watts D/K is 100 watts swinging 900. Measurements were just
taken this morning using a Galaxy Saturn II mobile radio, Heathkit Cantenna,
and an Autek WM-1 peak reading meter.
Price is $450.00 plus shipping.
I will take pictures of it later today and they will be available if needed.
Contact me direct at:
cbm...@optonline.com
www.TimNebo.com
Train
either. I've never made it a secret I can't talk in my neighborhood.
Train
"www.TimNebo.com" <tim...@aol.com420> wrote in message
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Sparky
<cbm...@optonlineNOSPAM.com> wrote:
<snip>
>Amp on low w/ 2 watts in D/K is 50 watts swinging 600.
>Amp on high w/ 2 watts D/K is 100 watts swinging 900. Measurements were just
>taken this morning using a Galaxy Saturn II mobile radio, Heathkit Cantenna,
>and an Autek WM-1 peak reading meter.
Something's wrong with the amp, since even Toll Free admits that peak
power on AM with 100% modulation is only 4 times the carrier. And if
the amp was measured using SSB, it is radiating 50 to 100W with no
input. Scary.
... hmmm... wait a sec, is your wattmeter calibrated for Bird-watts?
www.TimNebo.com
>Selling because I have an SB-220 and a 7 series Drake that i DON'T use
>either. I've never made it a secret I can't talk in my neighborhood.
>Train
Tim Nebo
ERICTO
Is that the base or mobile version on the Elkin 8 tube? I have the mobile
version 8 tube Elkin. It still runs great, or it did when I took it out of the
truck about 4 years ago.
Eric...
Train
"Sparky" <spa...@cet.com> wrote in message
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> In <4iFu8.76370$8E3.19...@news02.optonline.net>, "Train"
> <cbm...@optonlineNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >Amp on low w/ 2 watts in D/K is 50 watts swinging 600.
> >Amp on high w/ 2 watts D/K is 100 watts swinging 900. Measurements were
just
> >taken this morning using a Galaxy Saturn II mobile radio, Heathkit
Cantenna,
> >and an Autek WM-1 peak reading meter.
>
> Something's wrong with the amp,
Blow me!
since even Toll Free admits that peak
> power on AM with 100% modulation is only 4 times the carrier.
Blow him too!
And if
> the amp was measured using SSB, it is radiating 50 to 100W with no
> input.
Do you do your measurements rectally?
Scary.
Only to those on the other end!
>
> ... hmmm... wait a sec, is your wattmeter calibrated for Bird-watts?
>
Was your brain calibrated to that of a sewer rat?
Train
Train
2 tone dark gray on top and black lower section.
Fan was also modified to no longer be attached to the case and is now mounts
on the main board diagonal to the tube array.
Train
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Sparky
<cbm...@optonlineNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>"Sparky" <spa...@cet.com> wrote in message
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>> In <4iFu8.76370$8E3.19...@news02.optonline.net>, "Train"
>> <cbm...@optonlineNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>> >Amp on low w/ 2 watts in D/K is 50 watts swinging 600.
>> >Amp on high w/ 2 watts D/K is 100 watts swinging 900. Measurements were
>just
>> >taken this morning using a Galaxy Saturn II mobile radio, Heathkit
>Cantenna,
>> >and an Autek WM-1 peak reading meter.
>>
>> Something's wrong with the amp,
>
>Blow me!
Why? Is your hand tired?
> since even Toll Free admits that peak
>> power on AM with 100% modulation is only 4 times the carrier.
>
>Blow him too!
You say that about your hero? BAD keyclown!
> And if
>> the amp was measured using SSB, it is radiating 50 to 100W with no
>> input.
>
>Do you do your measurements rectally?
Interesting imagery -- I wonder how you would score on the ink blot
tests...
> Scary.
>
>Only to those on the other end!
It causes that much interference, huh? Can't be a very good amp...
>> ... hmmm... wait a sec, is your wattmeter calibrated for Bird-watts?
>>
>
>Was your brain calibrated to that of a sewer rat?
>Train
I don't know: can a sewer rat tell the difference between real power
and Bird-watts?
Randy
Sparky...man, I don't know how to tell you this...but you've lost a step
somewhere. Your replies were rather sad. Maybe you and Aaron need a rest.
Sparky
<rcha...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>Sparky...man, I don't know how to tell you this...but you've lost a step
>somewhere. Your replies were rather sad. Maybe you and Aaron need a rest.
I wouldn't say that, Randy. It pulled -you- out of the woodwork. BTW,
did you ever look up the phrase, "positing the consequent"?
T.T.
Richard McCollum
And now you know why Train is killfiled and Sparky is not.
I saw the same things you did, noted that it was done on a peak-reading
meter which must have meant the exciter was running in the milliwatt range
for water-boiling watts, and threw up my hands. God only knows the mods
made to the exciter from swing kits to limiter clipping and it is a fair
bet there is no harmonic supression. Without some idea of the crap going
in it is hard to guess at the crud coming out. It is also apparent that
the flattopping must be phenomenal given a 9 time swing on high vs a 12
time swing on low.
This bitchkitty could put an end to communication on 6 CB channels, 3 TV
channels, and the local airport without half trying. Sell the amp and
Cantenna as a package, it is the only load a sane man would attach to that
monster and even the dummy load would take out TV for blocks.
Some things defy rational description.
Dick NØBK
Landshark
Dick, Sparky was getting quite humorous
towards the end. I was LOL when he said
"Bad Keyclown" Still laughing. Very funny
shit Sparky, I will give you credit there, also
Train not to be to bad here, but those figures
do seem a tad bit high, no offense meant.
Landshark
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Sparky
<S3B...@SBCGlobal.Net.> wrote:
> But you have to admit it
>Dick, Sparky was getting quite humorous
>towards the end.
I was trying to talk in a language he could understand:
grade-school banter.
> I was LOL when he said
>"Bad Keyclown" Still laughing. Very funny
>shit Sparky, I will give you credit there, also
>Train not to be to bad here, but those figures
>do seem a tad bit high, no offense meant.
That must have been REALLY funny since I'm in your killfile.
Sparky
"Richard McCollum" <rmcco...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
<snip>
>I saw the same things you did, noted that it was done on a peak-reading
>meter which must have meant the exciter was running in the milliwatt range
>for water-boiling watts, and threw up my hands. God only knows the mods
>made to the exciter from swing kits to limiter clipping and it is a fair
>bet there is no harmonic supression. Without some idea of the crap going
>in it is hard to guess at the crud coming out. It is also apparent that
>the flattopping must be phenomenal given a 9 time swing on high vs a 12
>time swing on low.
>
>This bitchkitty could put an end to communication on 6 CB channels, 3 TV
>channels, and the local airport without half trying. Sell the amp and
>Cantenna as a package, it is the only load a sane man would attach to that
>monster and even the dummy load would take out TV for blocks.
>
>Some things defy rational description.
>
>Dick NØBK
Well, it has eight sweep tubes, probably running in some sort of
push-pull arrangement. Squaring is obvious, but I smell some serious
regeneration there. I'm betting that either the choke was replaced
with a lower value, or there was some sort of neutralization that has
been removed, all for the sake of a few more Bird-watts. And since the
heavy distortion is coming out the nozzle of a wideband tube amp, I'm
wondering if this thing has a ferrite output transformer instead of a
pi-filter.
www.TimNebo.com
peak on low and 225 watts dead key and 900 peak on high? if he stepped his
drive a little higher into the amp he would see these numbers no problem but
i'm sure he has it lowered some to go easier on the tubes and lengthen there
life. dont you think?
>
>And now you know why Train is killfiled and Sparky is not.
>
>I saw the same things you did, noted that it was done on a peak-reading
>meter which must have meant the exciter was running in the milliwatt range
>for water-boiling watts, and threw up my hands. God only knows the mods
>made to the exciter from swing kits to limiter clipping and it is a fair
>bet there is no harmonic supression. Without some idea of the crap going
>in it is hard to guess at the crud coming out. It is also apparent that
>the flattopping must be phenomenal given a 9 time swing on high vs a 12
>time swing on low.
>
>This bitchkitty could put an end to communication on 6 CB channels, 3 TV
>channels, and the local airport without half trying. Sell the amp and
>Cantenna as a package, it is the only load a sane man would attach to that
>monster and even the dummy load would take out TV for blocks.
>
>Some things defy rational description.
>
>Dick NØBK
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Tim Nebo
Richard McCollum
Neutralization? in a CB amp? Shirley you jest.
Big CBer
Richard McCollum wrote:
> Neutralization? in a CB amp? Shirley you jest.
And my name's not Shirley.
Richard McCollum
How do you run 8 tubes? Two driving 6 - kind of sounds like it with the
flea-power exciter. And what about the 6? Jerk-Shove? I kind of doubt
it unless it is transformer output. Parallel? Omigod. Again probably
transformer because the circulating current in the pi-coil would be well
into copper tubing range and probably melt the solder joints. Common para
sitic choke no doubt and a dutzy or worse yet nearly resonant choke on the
shunt feed. It is pretty apparent also the the power supply is inadequate
to the task at hand; who knows if the flat topping is setup or a lack of
power?
Like you, it would not surprise me if there was a bit of regeneration
going on or a top side parasitic for which sweep tubes were notorious (ask
an old TV man about Barkhausens).
Which only shows us for the umpti-umpth time that meter readings are of
interest only in a meter-reading contest. I would like to see what the
SWR and real output would be if it were set up amp - bridge - lopass
filter - wattmeter - dummy load. Probably need to surround the filter
with dry ice.
Dick NØBK
Sparky
"Richard McCollum" <rmcco...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>How do you run 8 tubes? Two driving 6 - kind of sounds like it with the
>flea-power exciter. And what about the 6? Jerk-Shove? I kind of doubt
>it unless it is transformer output. Parallel? Omigod. Again probably
>transformer because the circulating current in the pi-coil would be well
>into copper tubing range and probably melt the solder joints. Common para
>sitic choke no doubt and a dutzy or worse yet nearly resonant choke on the
>shunt feed. It is pretty apparent also the the power supply is inadequate
>to the task at hand; who knows if the flat topping is setup or a lack of
>power?
Or just the inherent non-linearity of the tubes.
>Like you, it would not surprise me if there was a bit of regeneration
>going on or a top side parasitic for which sweep tubes were notorious (ask
>an old TV man about Barkhausens).
Been there done that. Ask most of today's tube jockeys and they will
tell you a pentode does not need neutralization, but most of them have
never tried to make a sweep tube run linear.
>Which only shows us for the umpti-umpth time that meter readings are of
>interest only in a meter-reading contest. I would like to see what the
>SWR and real output would be if it were set up amp - bridge - lopass
>filter - wattmeter - dummy load. Probably need to surround the filter
>with dry ice.
What filter?
