Why are CBers on HAM frequencies? (was Why are hams in this News group ?)
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
Like I said, it must be some mythical right or something.
Kevin, WB5RUE
Liberals have rights, real and imagined. They want government to pass laws that guarantee that no one will violate any of their rights. They have no responsibilities, it is up to government to take responsibility for everything.
Libertarians have rights, real and imagined. They want government to pass no laws that would violate their right to do what they feel is right, which is up to their own individual interpretation. Responsibilities? They take responsibility for only those things that would not hinder the exercising of their rights.
Conservatives have rights, real and imagined as well as responsibilities. They want government to pass laws to remind us the difference between our rights and responsibilities. There can be no freedom without responsibilities.
Hank Aaron
No. I think the majority of OUR "heartburn" is that some HAMs (I didn't
categorize and say all, or did I just leave it as "CBers" such as you did)
assume that all CBers operate on HAM frequencies. I personally do not feel
that it is a RIGHT (of any kind) that anyone (who please to) should operate
on HAM frequencies. I feel that HAM's have earned this PRIVILEGE by passing
appropriate exams. But, enough with that. The only concern I have (and
probably shared by many of CBers on this newsgroup) is that HAM's make this
their domain for exhausting their ill feelings towards those FEW CBers that
DO operate on (not theirs) the FCC's frequencies set aside for HAM's.
Take for instance Kevin, there was a recent thread concerning issues with
how to modify a Uniden/President Lincoln. This radio by its PRODUCED nature
is a HAM radio. One gentleman asked how to modify this HAM radio to operate
on 20 meters, which happens to be a HAM frequency range. Well, many HAMs
(not all now, Im still not categorizing here) assumed (out of ignorance,
which there is NO excuse) that this gentleman was trying to modify a -CB-
radio to operate on HAM frequencies. Well Kevin, this just was NOT the
case. In with this assumption many HAMs (not all) also categorized and
implied that this person was a CBer trying to access "illegal" (HAM)
frequencies and that ALL CBers do such business.
I guess you could say that the heartburn of it all is, the fact that people
(Im not gonna categorize and say HAMs [because not ALL HAMs share your
ignorance]) such as yourself, assume that ALL CBers wish to operate on
illegal bands. So, in essence, I for one am tired of seeing posts from some
HAM's (such as RHOOLIGAN and yourself) that imply -I- operate on HAM
frequencies.
Regards,
Hank
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE wrote in message <19990812.15...@stic.net>...
TIMBONEBO
for a radio check. have you? cb'ers arent on the hf bands and maybe once in a
while a south american will be on the lower edge of ten meters but thats about
as far as it goes. if cb'ers are worthless to hams then leave us alone. 73 tim
2-IR-082
JJ
>
> ive never heard somebody calling breaker channel 14.300 or break channel 3.950
> for a radio check. have you? cb'ers arent on the hf bands and maybe once in a
> while a south american will be on the lower edge of ten meters but thats about
> as far as it goes. if cb'ers are worthless to hams then leave us alone. 73 tim
> 2-IR-082
Oh? You obviously haven't tuned around 10 meters when it is open for
short skip. I hear plenty of stateside cbers on 10 meters. A lot of
truckers use 28.085 (along with other 10 meter frequencies) as a regular
channel now.
T...@astro.net
>ive never heard somebody calling breaker channel 14.300 or break channel 3.950
>for a radio check. have you? cb'ers arent on the hf bands and maybe once in a
>while a south american will be on the lower edge of ten meters but thats about
>as far as it goes. if cb'ers are worthless to hams then leave us alone. 73 tim
>2-IR-082
I recently (3 days ago) heard a CBer's kid on 28.350 here in NY. All
morning long it was "Helllllllllllllo,Hellllllllllllo......" then dad
in his best CB lingo called someone. Then the kid came back on with
the same nonsense. Guess their fed up with the CB band too...
Tom
TwoIR082
are addicts?
LDD7777
their Nazi hate group down to the 11 meter newsgroup to try to prevent any
exchange of info.LOL! 1200..........
Gary Danaher
there is no way of knowing who is who. Hence, everyone is stereotyped.
It's very similar to racism. If a CBer is heard on 28 MHz, it means that
ALL CBers are on 28 MHz. It might be a generalization, but again, since
there is no way to pick the few guys out and prosecute them, everyone
gets blamed. The good guys get blamed for the bad guys' behaviors.
JJ
>
> oh yeah? lots of truckers use drugs too, does that mean all drivers on the road
> are addicts?
>
> >Oh? You obviously haven't tuned around 10 meters when it is open for
> >short skip. I hear plenty of stateside cbers on 10 meters. A lot of
> >truckers use 28.085 (along with other 10 meter frequencies) as a regular
> >channel now.
Please tell me where in my post where I inferred that all truckers use
10 meters.
JJ
>
> I think the thought here is that since CBers use handles to identify,
> there is no way of knowing who is who. Hence, everyone is stereotyped.
> It's very similar to racism. If a CBer is heard on 28 MHz, it means that
> ALL CBers are on 28 MHz. It might be a generalization, but again, since
> there is no way to pick the few guys out and prosecute them, everyone
> gets blamed. The good guys get blamed for the bad guys' behaviors.
>
I have not see any posting that inferred that ALL cbers are on 28 mHz.
Doug Tracy
Why even bring up this subject? Everyone knows that is is illegal for an unlicensed operator on the ham bands. All you are doing is stirring up the shit pot . There is nothing for you to gain by coming in here going on about this topic. Unless you are a trying to start shit.
I agree , that unlicensed operators shouldn't be on the ham bands , but there are rules and laws in place that are suppose to take care of that . There are also people who job is to enforce the rules and laws.
Maybe you can make a difference , but by provoking the masses is not the way to accomplish this.................
73 , Doug KB0PGI
Hank Aaron
I strongly believe you (and I) are enough not to bullshit one another. He
could and many others could put it more tactfully, if anything be a little
more politically correct. What I mean is, say this:
Some CBers operate on HAM freq.'s illegally.
vice, coming right out and saying:
CBers operate on HAM freq.'s illegally.
Then there wouldn't be a specific generalization in it all.
Regards,
Hank
Gary Danaher wrote in message <37B34EBF...@flash.net>...
>I think the thought here is that since CBers use handles to identify,
>there is no way of knowing who is who. Hence, everyone is stereotyped.
>It's very similar to racism. If a CBer is heard on 28 MHz, it means that
>ALL CBers are on 28 MHz. It might be a generalization, but again, since
>there is no way to pick the few guys out and prosecute them, everyone
>gets blamed. The good guys get blamed for the bad guys' behaviors.
>
Charles Davis
> Why even bring up this subject? Everyone knows that is is illegal
> for an unlicensed operator on the ham bands.
There are a lot of people that buy export type rigs, without a
counter on them, that have no idea where they are. There are
also a lot of people that by a first radio of this type, and
are not told anything except that they have a LOT of channels.
I hear them all the time. MOST are easily educated, if done
correctly. Some just don't care.
--
Charles
K4SWB
<<I'm the NRA>>
Kevin Muenzler, WB5RUE
I'm not" crapola that ended up every thread. I couldn't remember a topic
like this in a long time so I started a "new" thread.
73/
Kevin
Doug Tracy wrote in message <37B36859...@tri.net>...
>Kevin,
>
> Why even bring up this subject? Everyone knows that is is illegal for
Stanley
> Kevin,
>
> Why even bring up this subject? Everyone knows that is is illegal for an unlicensed operator on the ham bands. All you are doing is stirring up the shit pot . There is nothing for you to gain by coming in here going on about this topic. Unless you are a trying to start shit.
> I agree , that unlicensed operators shouldn't be on the ham bands , but there are rules and laws in place that are suppose to take care of that . There are also people who job is to enforce the rules and laws.
> Maybe you can make a difference , but by provoking the masses is not the way to accomplish this.................
>
> 73 , Doug KB0PGI
>
I'm a CBer and talk on the ham bands anytime I feel like it. So why can't I Have more than one interest in life. I even play on the internet.
--
Stanley
Hank Aaron
If I say American's are gay, what does that mean to you? Be honest with
yourself and others. I just generalized by not stating first that SOME
American's are gay.
Take care,
Hank
JJ wrote in message <37B346...@no.net>...
>Gary Danaher wrote:
>>
>> I think the thought here is that since CBers use handles to identify,
>> there is no way of knowing who is who. Hence, everyone is stereotyped.
>> It's very similar to racism. If a CBer is heard on 28 MHz, it means that
>> ALL CBers are on 28 MHz. It might be a generalization, but again, since
>> there is no way to pick the few guys out and prosecute them, everyone
>> gets blamed. The good guys get blamed for the bad guys' behaviors.
>>
>
Hank Aaron
Hank
Stanley wrote in message <37B38A50...@bigfoot.com>...
pinhead7090
bands, probably not a whole lot, i think these crybabies need a crying
towel......head out.....................
>there is no way of knowing who is who. Hence, everyone is stereotyped.
>It's very similar to racism. If a CBer is heard on 28 MHz, it means that
>ALL CBers are on 28 MHz. It might be a generalization, but again, since
>there is no way to pick the few guys out and prosecute them, everyone
>gets blamed. The good guys get blamed for the bad guys' behaviors.
>
Gary Danaher
JJ wrote:
>
> Gary Danaher wrote:
> >
> > I think the thought here is that since CBers use handles to identify,
> > there is no way of knowing who is who. Hence, everyone is stereotyped.
> > It's very similar to racism. If a CBer is heard on 28 MHz, it means that
> > ALL CBers are on 28 MHz. It might be a generalization, but again, since
> > there is no way to pick the few guys out and prosecute them, everyone
> > gets blamed. The good guys get blamed for the bad guys' behaviors.
> >
>
TwoIR082
image.
73 tim 2-IR-082
JJ
>
> how many times are ham communications interrupted by cb types on the free
> bands, probably not a whole lot, i think these crybabies need a crying
> towel......head out.....................
There are no ham communications on the freeband. Notice I did not say
there were not any persons on the freebands who also hold a ham license,
but their communications on the freeband is not ham communications, is
is simply communications on the so-called (but non-existant)
"freebands".
Scott (Unit 69)
JJ wrote:
>
> pinhead7090 wrote:
> >
> > how many times are ham communications interrupted by cb types on the free
> > bands, probably not a whole lot, i think these crybabies need a crying
> > towel......head out.....................
Cry more about the dumb sh*t that calls for skipland the moment
you make contact with Nome Alaska. (happened last week, that damn
bastard)
>
> There are no ham communications on the freeband. Notice I did not say
> there were not any persons on the freebands who also hold a ham license,
> but their communications on the freeband is not ham communications, is
> is simply communications on the so-called (but non-existant)
> "freebands".
To answer the question in the header: Maybe they're too drunk or so damn
stupid to care or realize what they're doing. Personally, I'd stay
between
26.7 and 27.995 and prefer to only go a couple each way. The difference
in noise level is tremendous, and probably won't bother anyone. (Those
Mexicans run you off of every channel, even 19!)
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Gary Danaher
28 MHz and go up from there. That's the point you are making for
everyone. You seem to think that eveything is a free band.
TwoIR082
and listen for and work some good dx once in a while. the hams all tell each
other that they would never go there but while everybody is on 20 or 80 there
here on 11 with us dx'ing. 73 tim 2-IR-082 www.irdx.org
TwoIR082
>
>pinhead7090 wrote:
>>
>> how many times are ham communications interrupted by cb types on the free
>> bands, probably not a whole lot, i think these crybabies need a crying
>> towel......head out.....................
>
Leland C. Scott
The 11 meter band "used" to be a Ham Radio Band at one time. By your logic I
would assume you would have no problem if is was again a really popular, but
unofficial, Ham Radio band again? You show up on 10 meters, Ham's then feel
free to drop down to 11 meters. You don't like it, then stay off the Ham
Radio bands.
73's,
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL member
NCI member
"You ask what Morse Code is good for? I'll tell you. Morse
Code is used exclusively by Electronics Based life forms to
communicate amongst themselves using advanced Organic
Digital Signal Processors, running state of the art Artificial
Intelligence Software, to perform the highly complex
transmit encryption, receive decryption and error correction
functions."
T...@astro.net
<no-...@junk-mail.net> wrote:
>
>Stanley wrote in message <37B38A50...@bigfoot.com>...
>>I'm a CBer and talk on the ham bands anytime I feel like it.
>
>The 11 meter band "used" to be a Ham Radio Band at one time. By your logic I
>would assume you would have no problem if is was again a really popular, but
>unofficial, Ham Radio band again? You show up on 10 meters, Ham's then feel
>free to drop down to 11 meters. You don't like it, then stay off the Ham
>Radio bands.
>
>
>73's,
>
>Leland C. Scott
>KC8LDO
>
>ARRL member
>NCI member
Ahh, we'll just wait for Riley to get him! With our help of coarse!
Tom
PLLO2A
frequency.
the fcc CANNOT make "LAWS", only rules. the fcc is VERY careful about the
wording of "RULES" as opposed to "LAWS".
only congress can make "LAWS".
look it up.
there is where your myth lies.
Leland C. Scott
PLLO2A wrote in message <19990813232036...@ng-cc1.aol.com>...
From my understanding the FCC rules are technically called "Administrative
Law". The congress passes a law that grants the FCC the power to regulate
the radio spectrum and the FCC gets to fill in the details anyway it likes.
This concept has been tested time and again in the courts and each time the
courts were very clear, it is a "law".
73's,
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL member
NCI member
"You ask what Morse Code is good for? I'll tell you. Morse
Qrm2000
>"OWNED"
>>frequency.
. Whether you argue that these are rules or laws, the net result is the same:
fines in the thousands of dollars and confiscation of equipment.
Explain to your spouse that there was no money to fix up the old car she
drives, or to take care of the kids' teeth, but you had $5,000 to $10,000 to
squander on fines "playing with that #%$ radio."
I'm certain your spouse will be very interested in the law vs. rules debate!
QRM
Another subject for debate: Amateur frequencies are "assignments", not "owned"
That ought to be good for creating a 15 to 20 message thread!
Stanley
> On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:49:48 -0400, "Leland C. Scott"
> <no-...@junk-mail.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Stanley wrote in message <37B38A50...@bigfoot.com>...
> >>I'm a CBer and talk on the ham bands anytime I feel like it.
> >
> >The 11 meter band "used" to be a Ham Radio Band at one time. By your logic I
> >would assume you would have no problem if is was again a really popular, but
> >unofficial, Ham Radio band again? You show up on 10 meters, Ham's then feel
> >free to drop down to 11 meters. You don't like it, then stay off the Ham
> >Radio bands.
> >
> >
> >73's,
> >
> >Leland C. Scott
> >KC8LDO
> >
> >ARRL member
> >NCI member
>
> Ahh, we'll just wait for Riley to get him! With our help of coarse!
>
> Tom
I can't figure out what is so hard for everyone to understand. Anyone can get on
CB but only Amateur can get on the ham bands legally. So it is simple any ham can
be a CBer but only CBers that take test and are capable of passing it can be
hams.
That is why hams are in this NG.
Now lets get back to talking about 11 meters.
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TwoIR082
like cb'ers to you that are organizing the iota's and dxpeditions on 11? just
listen to the alfa tangos and sugar deltas as longs as the IR's in which i'm a
member. the majority of the people in these groups are liscensed hams that just
enjoy the freedom of the free band. if you dont believe me check out some
sites. www.irdx.org www.alfatango.org and www.sugardelta.com
BenDowers
>the radio spectrum and the FCC gets to fill in the details anyway it likes.
>This concept has been tested time and again in the courts and each time the
>courts were very clear, it is a "law".
>
The same courts time and again have said it is acceptable to kill unborn young,
out law hand guns in many cities, and approve of same sex relationships.
Qrm2000
>The same courts time and again have said it is acceptable to kill unborn
>young,
>out law hand guns in many cities, and approve of same sex relationships.
I doubt that this will be a satisfactory defense for a NAL from the FCC.
However, this is simply the opinion of someone with 38 years of experience
interacting with the Federal Communications Commision. Consult with your
attorney for specific legal advice.
QRM
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
Try to contest it on court. It's been tried
many, many times with failures every time.
The same goes for the EPA, FAA, et.al.
Hams don't own the frequencies, that's a
mentality from the "channel-master" types on
CB, but we have been given exclusive use of
them by the FCC.
Kevin, WB5RUE
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PLLO2A [mailto:pll...@aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 10:21 PM
> To: wb5...@stic.net
> Subject: Re: Why are CBers on HAM frequencies? (was Why are
> hams in this
> News group ?)
>
>
> there is no "LAW" that says an unlicenced person cannot be
> on a ham "OWNED"
> frequency.
Mr.Ass
there call signs?
Mr.Ass
used for RTTY and CW. 28.100 to 28.300 is CW. 28.300 starts the voice section
of 10 meters.
See if the jerks from CB would pick up a book and read where you should listen
maybe when you use your illegal equipment on 10 meters you wouldn't piss
everyone off.
Gary Danaher wrote:
> Never. Ham communications don't occur on the free bands. They start at
> 28 MHz and go up from there. That's the point you are making for
> everyone. You seem to think that eveything is a free band.
>
Gary Danaher
amateur portion of 10 meters begins at 28 MHz. Is that in conflict with
28.000 MHz???
RFEnforcer
>See if the jerks from CB would pick up a book and read where you should
>listen maybe when you use your illegal equipment on 10 meters you wouldn't
piss
>everyone off.
Of course, licensed hams NEVER illegally use their high-powered amateur
equipment on 11 meters, do they? Of course not. Nope, nope. Never happens.
They even say so.
Note: this address does not accept unsolicited e-mail. Please contain all
discussion regarding USENET posts to the appropriate newsgroup thread.
PLLO2A
how many times has a ham PISSED ME OFF by disrupting my LEGAL use of a corded
or cordless phone, tv, broadcast radio, or the audio section of a fair grade of
stereo amplifier??? if it happened just once, it was a hell of a lot more often
than i have been on the ham bands!!!.
you get off my non-transmitting consumer electronics and then i will have some
sympathy for your cause.
Hillbilly Dave
long....
Dave
KG5XR
Dave's Radio Electronics
Since 1972
The (little) voice of the Ozarks
ICQ#43209866
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Island/4371/index.html
Gary Danaher <gdan...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:37C9F24F...@flash.net...
> Mind sharing what the hell you are talking about? I said that a the
> amateur portion of 10 meters begins at 28 MHz. Is that in conflict with
> 28.000 MHz???
>
>
> "Mr.Ass" wrote:
> >
> > Excuse me get your information clear before you make stupid comments.
28.000 is
> > used for RTTY and CW. 28.100 to 28.300 is CW. 28.300 starts the voice
section
> > of 10 meters.
> >
JJ
The disrupting of your use of your corded/cordless phone, tv, broadcast
radio and audio section of a stereo amplifier by a ham signal was most
likely due to the poor (read non-existant) shielding of said crappy
electronics not being able to operate properly in the presence of a
mildly strong RF field.
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Hank Aaron
mistaken... is this why you participate actively on alt.radio.pirate?
Let me know if I have something wrong here. Take care.
Hank
JJ wrote in message <37CC5C...@no.net>...
>PLLO2A wrote:
>>
>> maybe but hams are not supposed to interfere with anything. remember???
>> read your own regs. sometime!!!
>> there are more pieces of equipment out there than there are hams so
you've been
>> out voted.
>> clean it up or shut it down!!!
>> jeff
>
>And you read the little tag on the back of your crappy consumer
>electronic junk about how it must accept any interefernece. Your
>telephones and stereo amplifiers are not supposed to act like RF
>receivers, but they often do. Your crappy TV should be able to reject
>any RF signal outside it's tunable range, but they often don't. If a ham
>or cber is putting out a clean signal with harmonics and spururious
>signals within specs and at legal power levels the problem is yours.
>I have read the regs thank you. So clean up your crappy junk or shut it
>off!!!
Qrm2000
>
>Excuse me get your information clear before you make stupid comments. 28.000
>is
>used for RTTY and CW. 28.100 to 28.300 is CW. 28.300 starts the voice section
>of 10 meters.
I believe you meant to say something else. No amateur operation takes place
exactly on 28.000. We always move up slightly to avoid spilling outside the
band.
The bottom end of the band is CW. RTTY tends to be up around 28.060 to 28.095.
The area right inside 28.000 is where weak-signal and DX work occurs. That's
why you hear so many complaints from hams about Freebanders whose modulation
spills over into this portion of the band.
>See if the jerks from CB would pick up a book and read where you should
>listen
>maybe when you use your illegal equipment on 10 meters you wouldn't piss
>everyone off.
That remark was uncalled for, Mr. Ass. First of all, the majority of CBers
stay out of the ham bands. It's just a few folks who wander in.
Second, if a non-licensed person transmits ANYWHERE on 10 meters, they will
"piss everyone off".
Finally, (and this is to everybody), stop with the "global" descriptions, such
as "hams are coming down to CB" and "CBers are abusing their band."
There may be instances of some individuals doing things which are illegal,
and/or which annoy others. However, it is not wise to lump "all CBers" or "all
hams" together. To do so brands you as a trouble-maker and shows that you are
not someone who is attempting to contribute useful information to the NG.
QRM
"When you point your finger at someone, THREE fingers are pointing BACK AT
YOU."
Hillbilly Dave
Dave
KG5XR
Dave's Radio Electronics
Since 1972
The (little) voice of the Ozarks
ICQ#43209866
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Island/4371/index.html
Qrm2000 <qrm...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990831073455...@ng-bg1.aol.com...
PLLO2A
PLLO2A
that's what he's using for an antenna?
no wonder his neighbors complain.
jeff
Hank Aaron
Keep it going Qrm2000.
It may be some peoples natural instincts to use "global" words, but then
again most should reread what they have wrote before they send it. Not all
Hams are "bad" same with all CBer's. Just a few out both CB and HAM that
really like to stir things up.
Anyway, 73's to all!
Hank
Hillbilly Dave wrote in message <7qghi0$8cq$1...@news1.alltel.net>...
JJ
And you read the little tag on the back of your crappy consumer
Mr.Ass
normal range.
You know a little brains goes a long way.
Steve
channels.
MRAss
studying for my general class license. 28.000 is either for RTTY or CW or maybe a
10 meter beacon.
As far as you telling me I have no useful information at least I know where to use
my equipment. I have been a ham since 1988 and have NEVER gotten into trouble with
the FCC for any reason.
My station does not use modified equipment. I do not appericiate CB nobodys or
should I say Bootleggers.
You little asshole should know just try taking amateur radio test. You would find
out its no laughing matter.
Amateurs earn there ticket. CB operator go to the local 5 & dime buy a junk radio
and put it on the air.
Try studying and getting a license.
Hank Aaron
MRAss wrote in message <37CC8846...@itsmine.com>...
>Excuse me first of all don't tell me where bands start and finish. I happen
to be
^ Hmmm. Some sort of punctuation should go here dont
you think?
>studying for my general class license. 28.000 is either for RTTY or CW or
maybe a
>10 meter beacon.
Oh, no sir! We would never think of telling you anything. Blah, blah,
blah.
>
>As far as you telling me I have no useful information at least I know where
to use
>my equipment. I have been a ham since 1988 and have NEVER gotten into
trouble with
>the FCC for any reason.
So you have found a new use for that spectrum analyzer. Tell us. How many
harmonics are coming from your ass right now? I asked because you seem to
be bleeding us.
>
>My station does not use modified equipment. I do not appericiate CB nobodys
or
>should I say Bootleggers.
>
So. Um. Well. Hmm. "appericiate" isnt that something from Australia?
>You little asshole should know just try taking amateur radio test. You
would find
>out its no laughing matter.
Im laughing. Considering someone such as yourself is actually attempting to
get his "amateur radio test," Im laughing all over.
>
>Amateurs earn there ticket. CB operator go to the local 5 & dime buy a junk
radio
>and put it on the air.
>
Hmm. Seems more cost efficient to me. If you want that "feel" of speaking
to someone over the air waves, then why go with a Ham. Really now.
Everyone here obviously has access to the internet, unless you are Joe (his
posts work through osmossis). What Im saying is, look!, I just sent a post
world wide. I didnt have to learn dit's or dah's. I just simply typed what
I wanted to say. WOW! I know, it is a difficult concept to comprehend, but
fear not, there IS hope. You keep spending an arm and a leg even for used
Ham equipment. I'll just keep my Cobra 25 LTD I bought for $5.00 at a yard
sale in my car.
Oh. For those who wish to get really technical here. Most of the
communications between ISP's (and for sake of simplicity) and THEIR ISP's
are via satellite, and C3+ lines. Sooooo. Satellite.......... Get it now?
This post more than likely went through satellite... hmmmm. That would be
considered airwaves, or no?
-=PEAKABOO=-
way you will not be assumed so stupid, we do not believe you anyway because
your knowledge shows in your posting, you come here with an attitude as
though you have never operated a CB radio, man I know better than that, and
I bet when you operate a CB its ok, but when a cber does it its not alright,
you sir made your self look like a real dumbass, your grammar sucks, you
dont have enough radio pride to post a name people recognize you by, And you
try to impress people by informing us that you are studying to take the
general exam. Well my friend there is more to passing a test than just
memorizing the answers, that is the way pussys do it! when you do pass try
to impress somebody, until shut the hell up!!
MRAss wrote in message <37CC8846...@itsmine.com>...
>Excuse me first of all don't tell me where bands start and finish. I happen
to be
>studying for my general class license. 28.000 is either for RTTY or CW or
maybe a
>10 meter beacon.
>
>As far as you telling me I have no useful information at least I know where
to use
>my equipment. I have been a ham since 1988 and have NEVER gotten into
trouble with
>the FCC for any reason.
>
>My station does not use modified equipment. I do not appericiate CB nobodys
or
>should I say Bootleggers.
>
>You little asshole should know just try taking amateur radio test. You
would find
>out its no laughing matter.
>
>Amateurs earn there ticket. CB operator go to the local 5 & dime buy a junk
radio
>and put it on the air.
>
Gary Danaher
and review the 10 meter band plan. I apologize to all the readers for
taking time from CB here, but there are few things I can tolerate less
than an arrogant ham who speaks authoritatively without thinking. Please
review the plan and you will note that digital modes use 28.070-150.
This is an overlap with cw which can be used from 28.000 (28.003) to
28.190. I was first licensed 25 years before you were, and I don't think
I own a piece of equipment that hasn't been modified, or at least seen
the business end of a screwdriver. I am not an appliance operator. When
I don't know the answer to a question, I look it up or research it. If I
feel I can't provide accurate technical information, I don't respond.
You should consider doing the same.
JJ
>
> Excuse me first of all don't tell me where bands start and finish. I happen to be
> studying for my general class license. 28.000 is either for RTTY or CW or maybe a
> 10 meter beacon.
You should never put signal exactly on the band edge. Even a CW signal
has bandwidth and if it is right on 28.000, part of the signal will be
below 28.000 which means out of band and illegal.
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>
> I hate to burst your bubble but even a person using CB must keep there RF within
> normal range.
>
> You know a little brains goes a long way.
And you must not have any. Did you read my post? I said if the ham or cb
signal is within specs as far as harmonics and spurious emissions, and
output power, meaning the legal limits for both services. That would be
keeping their (not there) RF within normal range.
RHOOLIGAN2
playing the role of an "arrogant ham" for the delight
of his outlaw buddies. How do I know? No call sign.
(Good try though, MRAss!)
MRAss wrote:
>
> Excuse me first of all don't tell me where bands start and finish. I happen
to be
> studying for my general class license. 28.000 is either for RTTY or CW or
maybe a
> 10 meter beacon.
>
> As far as you telling me I have no useful information at least I know where
to use
> my equipment. I have been a ham since 1988 and....etc.>>>
Qrm2000
>to be
>studying for my general class license. 28.000 is either for RTTY or CW or
>maybe a
>10 meter beacon.
Gary has already explained the CW/RTTY part of the band plan. I will address
the 10 Meter beacon situation.
The FCC rules [97.203(d)] specify that automatically controlled beacon stations
are authorized between 28.200 and 28.300 MHz.**
>
>You little asshole should know just try taking amateur radio test. You would
>find
>out its no laughing matter.
I was first licensed in June 1961 as a novice. Six months later, I took and
passed the General exam in Wilmington, NC. And in 1964, I passed the Amateur
Extra. I certainly agree it's no laughing matter.
>
>Amateurs earn there ticket. CB operator go to the local 5 & dime buy a junk
>radio
>and put it on the air.
Again, you have made a remark which is uncalled for. We really must work on
your inter-personal skills. There are CB operators with better stations then
most Amateurs will EVER have. I have seen some of the neatest consoles and
equipment line-ups at 11 Meter stations, and there are very few "junk" radios
among the CB crowd.
If you really ARE a ham operator, let me respectfully request that you refrain
from jumping into this newsgroup and slamming CB operators. First of all, the
CB radio service is NOT a "junior varsity" ham band. It is a stand-alone
communications service, authorized by the FCC, with drastically different
rules.
Second, many Amateurs enjoy using CB. It gives us an opportunity to talk with
some fine folks whom we would otherwise miss. It also gives us the means to
communicate house-to-car with our spouse or kids who may have little interest
in getting a ham license.
For a long time, there has been a "gentlemen's agreement" (incorporated into
the FAQ) that ham operators who drop by will "check their license at the door".
Don't come in, waving that piece of paper over your head. I know you are
proud of it. You should be; it takes a lot of effort to get it. But it does
not carry any authority to operate or harass where CB is concerned. The
government has said that CB is open to any citizen, and that makes us all equal
in that regard.
I'm impressed that you have received such good responses to what you said. I
expected a lot of flames, but the replies have been very measured--with a few
of them chuckling a little. With that, let's agree to "cool it" and let this
issue fade away.
Good luck with the General exam.
QRM2000
**A beacon station is simply a transmitter that alerts listeners to its
presence. In the radionavigation service, beacons are used to provide
navigational guidance. In the amateur service, beacons are used primarily for
the study of radio-wave propagation--to allow amateurs to tell when a band is
open to different parts of the country or world. Accordingly, the FCC defines a
beacon as "an amateur station transmitting communications for the purposes of
observation of propagation and reception or other related experimental
acticvities. [97.3(a)(9)]. A beacon is one of the few "one-way" transmissions
allowed by the FCC in the amateur service.
RFEnforcer
>Just a quick comment. There is no such thing as "Free Band" its called
>illegal channels.
Correct. The Notice of Monetary Forfeiture you will receive from the FCC for
such activities will specify "out-of-band operation.")
TwoIR082
9 or something like that? this guys a joke. buy the book, study book, take
test. no big deal. its not nothing compared to college level test. 73 tim
>
>Excuse me first of all don't tell me where bands start and finish. I happen
>to be
>studying for my general class license. 28.000 is either for RTTY or CW or
>maybe a
>10 meter beacon.
>
>As far as you telling me I have no useful information at least I know where
>to use
>my equipment. I have been a ham since 1988 and have NEVER gotten into trouble
>with
>the FCC for any reason.
>
>My station does not use modified equipment. I do not appericiate CB nobodys
>or
>should I say Bootleggers.
>
>You little asshole should know just try taking amateur radio test. You would
>find
>out its no laughing matter.
>
>Amateurs earn there ticket. CB operator go to the local 5 & dime buy a junk
>radio
>and put it on the air.
>
BenDowers
>the FCC for any reason.
>
I have been on radio for over 26 years and never been in trouble with the FCC.
Whats the big deal.
>My station does not use modified equipment. I do not appericiate CB nobodys
>or
>should I say Bootleggers.
>
So why are you here at rec.radio.cb? Could it be to start trouble?
>You little asshole should know just try taking amateur radio test. You would
>find
>out its no laughing matter.
>
I'm sorry to hear you are haveing such a hard time. And yes!! I think it is a
laughing matter.
>Amateurs earn there ticket. CB operator go to the local 5 & dime buy a junk
>radio
>and put it on the air.
>
Any one who works for a liveing, and pays hard earned cash for that 5 & dime
junk radio has earned the right to be on the air.
>Try studying and getting a license.
>
Try getting a life. Grow up!!!!!
Hank Aaron
I would love to put this aside and I say that with all sincerity. Though,
it is quite difficult to not say anything (in fear that newbies will get the
wrong impression) when this slandering is taking place.
You are a Ham, in my mind a respected Ham, though there are others that you
have sufficiently mentioned, that are not...well...respectful therefore not
respected.
It should prove that not ALL Hams think ALL CBer's are jerks without an
education or cause, or even a contribution to the airwaves. Also, there are
many that think vice versa.
If the statement from Rodney King did not work ("cant we just all get
along") then, asking someone to envisage such a thought would be ridiculous.
Oh well. Keep talking Qrm2000, it is nice to see intelligent, non-arrogant
Hams speak out, maybe not taking sides, but speaking out and speaking the
truth about matters.
Hank
Qrm2000 wrote in message <19990901070434...@ng-bk1.aol.com>...
>>Excuse me first of all don't tell me where bands start and finish. I
happen
>>to be
>>studying for my general class license. 28.000 is either for RTTY or CW or
>>maybe a
>>10 meter beacon.
>
>Gary has already explained the CW/RTTY part of the band plan. I will
address
>the 10 Meter beacon situation.
>
>The FCC rules [97.203(d)] specify that automatically controlled beacon
stations
>are authorized between 28.200 and 28.300 MHz.**
>
>>
>>You little asshole should know just try taking amateur radio test. You
would
>>find
>>out its no laughing matter.
>
>I was first licensed in June 1961 as a novice. Six months later, I took and
>passed the General exam in Wilmington, NC. And in 1964, I passed the
Amateur
>Extra. I certainly agree it's no laughing matter.
>
>>
>>Amateurs earn there ticket. CB operator go to the local 5 & dime buy a
junk
>>radio
>>and put it on the air.
>
BigOHam
Two totally different things. Plus, the written examinations are based on a high school
level comprehension. It's sad to see kids passing such easy tests that claim they are of
high school level comprehension
BigOHam
>
> Wellll, saying that the questions are high school level is a bit
> generous. It's been dumbed down quite a bit. But what does this have to
> do with CB? Let's talk about Smith charts....
>
No relation to CB alas :(. Wanna show me a good website for Smith charts, I thirst on diagrams. :)
I also would love to know where CB schematics can be seen on the web, any websites?
Gary Danaher
generous. It's been dumbed down quite a bit. But what does this have to
do with CB? Let's talk about Smith charts....
MRAss
and pass a written test. To get a tech plus license you must pass another written.
Last but certainly not least the General test for amateur radio is extremely hard. You must
know about electronics,antennas,solving formuals etc and pass a 13 WPM code test.
If this sounds so easy,then take your lazy ass down to a test center.
MRAss
Who the hell do you think you Jessy Jackson of the CB Band?
My opinion of CB operator is plain and simple. Take any equipment away that's
ham related (uniden HR2510,Kenwood,etc) First offense $10,000 or $20,000 fine
for any equipment found modified. Second offense 1-3 Jail time and $20,000 fine.
Its like an article in August QST magazine states "its time to end the problems
with CB operators". There now looking to get local law enforcement involved.
You people should have all your equipment removed thats amateur related.
Maybe then the hams could have enjoy DXing and talking on the local repeater
without nonsense.
MRAss
see what happens.
BenDowers wrote:
> >I have been a ham since 1988 and have NEVER gotten into trouble with
> >the FCC for any reason.
> >
>
> I have been on radio for over 26 years and never been in trouble with the FCC.
> Whats the big deal.
>
> >My station does not use modified equipment. I do not appericiate CB nobodys
> >or
> >should I say Bootleggers.
> >
>
> So why are you here at rec.radio.cb? Could it be to start trouble?
>
> >You little asshole should know just try taking amateur radio test. You would
> >find
> >out its no laughing matter.
> >
>
> I'm sorry to hear you are haveing such a hard time. And yes!! I think it is a
> laughing matter.
>
> >Amateurs earn there ticket. CB operator go to the local 5 & dime buy a junk
> >radio
> >and put it on the air.
> >
>
Hank Aaron
Hey take it easy you fruit...
Hank
MRAss wrote in message <37CF34F1...@itsmine.com>...
>> >>You little asshole should know just try taking amateur radio test. You
>> would
>> >>find
>> >>out its no laughing matter.
>> >
>> >I was first licensed in June 1961 as a novice. Six months later, I took
and
>> >passed the General exam in Wilmington, NC. And in 1964, I passed the
>> Amateur
>> >Extra. I certainly agree it's no laughing matter.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Amateurs earn there ticket. CB operator go to the local 5 & dime buy a
>> junk
>> >>radio
>> >>and put it on the air.
>> >
Hank Aaron
###### in a long time...
Bring it on....
Hank
MRAss wrote in message <37CF35F2...@itsmine.com>...
>Tell you what little boy blue come on the 10 meter band with an illegal
radio and
>see what happens.
>
>
>BenDowers wrote:
>
>> >I have been a ham since 1988 and have NEVER gotten into trouble with
>> >the FCC for any reason.
>> >
>>
>> I have been on radio for over 26 years and never been in trouble with the
FCC.
>> Whats the big deal.
>>
>> >My station does not use modified equipment. I do not appericiate CB
nobodys
>> >or
>> >should I say Bootleggers.
>> >
>>
>> So why are you here at rec.radio.cb? Could it be to start trouble?
>>
>> >You little asshole should know just try taking amateur radio test. You
would
>> >find
>> >out its no laughing matter.
>> >
>>
>> I'm sorry to hear you are haveing such a hard time. And yes!! I think it
is a
>> laughing matter.
>>
>> >Amateurs earn there ticket. CB operator go to the local 5 & dime buy a
junk
>> >radio
>> >and put it on the air.
>> >
>>
JJ
>
> Excuse me the Amateur Radio tests are not easy at all. You must be able to copy code at 5 WPM
> and pass a written test. To get a tech plus license you must pass another written.
>
> Last but certainly not least the General test for amateur radio is extremely hard. You must
> know about electronics,antennas,solving formuals etc and pass a 13 WPM code test.
>
> If this sounds so easy,then take your lazy ass down to a test center.
>
> BigOHam wrote:
5-wpm code is easy to anyone who puts forth a little effort. As far as
the written, it is just a matter of memorizing the answers. It didn't
use to be that way. You think it is hard now, they used to give you a
description of a circuit and then ask you to draw the circuit diagram
for it. Like a cw transmitter using a series-tuned Colpitts oscillator
driving a push-pull output stage with link coupling, or draw the block
diagram for a superhetrodyne receiver. Now those were real test.
By the way, you need to add 'smart' to the first part of that name you
use.
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MR-ASS
you just want more authority, you've made that obvious, I'll be turning this
junking cobra 29ltd sideways and sticking it straight up your candy
ass!!!!!!
The REAL MR-ASS got down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RHOOLIGAN2
Hank Aaron
You keep going. Blah Blah Blah.
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Hillbilly Dave
explain to me what a illegal radio is..
Dave
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