WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO "GOOD BUDDYS" WHO WOULD SHARE THERE INFORMATION WITH
ANYONE??
WHY MUST PROFIT COME FIRST WHEN WE SHARE A RECREATIONAL INTEREST?
JUST LIKE A DRUG ADDICT IN RECOVERY WHO KNOWS NOTHING ELSE BUT ADDICTION AND
MUST THEN TRY TO PROFIT ON HIS/HER KNOWLEDGE AS THEY TRY TO HELP THOSE STILL
SUFFERING. THE OLD GOOD BUDDYS HAVE SOLD OUT BY TRYING TO PROFIT ON THEIR
KNOWLEGE WHICH WAS ONCE NOTHING MORE THAN A COLLECTION OF GOOD WILL COMMUNITY
KNOWLEDGE.
THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CB DAYS OF OLD. NO LONGER CAN YOU
FIND A GOOD BUDDY WITH FREELY GIVEN BY GOOD WILL ANY AND ALL INFORMATION
THEY HAVE. IT IS CALLED SHARING. AS PROFIT CORRUPTS OUR CITIZEN'S BAND
WHICH IS NOW FULL OF SELF ANNOINTED "PROFESSIONALS" WHO, FOR AN UNJUST FEE,
WILL SELL WHAT WAS SO FREELY GIVEN TO THEM WHEN THEY WERE THE NEW JACKS ON THE
BAND.
A "PROFESSIONAL CITIZEN BAND OPERATOR." HAS CITIZENSHIP BECOME SUBJECT TO
SALE? I HAVE NO OBJECTION FOR CITIZEN BAND OPERATORS CHARGING A FEE FOR
SERVICE (RADIO REPAIR, SALES ETC.). BUT TO SELL INFORMATION THAT WAS ONCE
FREELY GIVEN SEEMS OBSCENE TO ME. THAT IS WHY I AM NOW AS HAM RADIO OPERATROR
WHERE YOU CAN STILL FIND A GOOD BUDDY WHO WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION (COPIES OF
SCHEMATICS) WITHOUT A FEE.
NIce offer........Poor use of English!
Free does not take
'for" as in "for free".
You would provide these "free".
I do like how you correctly used "who" rather than "that".
Train
is interested in these two fine Kenrich linears. No
>> need to buy a schematic from a "PROFESSIONAL CB'er (Maycom, etc.).
>>
>I have an Eagle 515 mothballed,I'd sure like to have a schematic for it.
>
>mopar...@hotmail.com
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
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To begin with, amps for the CB service are illegal to use, buy, and sell.
> WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO "GOOD BUDDYS" WHO WOULD SHARE THERE INFORMATION WITH
> ANYONE??
>
> WHY MUST PROFIT COME FIRST WHEN WE SHARE A RECREATIONAL INTEREST?
>
> JUST LIKE A DRUG ADDICT IN RECOVERY WHO KNOWS NOTHING ELSE BUT ADDICTION AND
> MUST THEN TRY TO PROFIT ON HIS/HER KNOWLEDGE AS THEY TRY TO HELP THOSE STILL
> SUFFERING. THE OLD GOOD BUDDYS HAVE SOLD OUT BY TRYING TO PROFIT ON THEIR
> KNOWLEGE WHICH WAS ONCE NOTHING MORE THAN A COLLECTION OF GOOD WILL COMMUNITY
> KNOWLEDGE.
Explain to me how breaking FCC rules by running amps "spreading "good will".
>
> THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CB DAYS OF OLD. NO LONGER CAN YOU
> FIND A GOOD BUDDY WITH FREELY GIVEN BY GOOD WILL ANY AND ALL INFORMATION
> THEY HAVE. IT IS CALLED SHARING. AS PROFIT CORRUPTS OUR CITIZEN'S BAND
> WHICH IS NOW FULL OF SELF ANNOINTED "PROFESSIONALS" WHO, FOR AN UNJUST FEE,
> WILL SELL WHAT WAS SO FREELY GIVEN TO THEM WHEN THEY WERE THE NEW JACKS ON THE
> BAND.
Crying about injustice because you can't get free info about illegal CB amps?
Are you a retard?
> A "PROFESSIONAL CITIZEN BAND OPERATOR." HAS CITIZENSHIP BECOME SUBJECT TO
> SALE? I HAVE NO OBJECTION FOR CITIZEN BAND OPERATORS CHARGING A FEE FOR
> SERVICE (RADIO REPAIR, SALES ETC.). BUT TO SELL INFORMATION THAT WAS ONCE
> FREELY GIVEN SEEMS OBSCENE TO ME. THAT IS WHY I AM NOW AS HAM RADIO OPERATROR
> WHERE YOU CAN STILL FIND A GOOD BUDDY WHO WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION (COPIES OF
> SCHEMATICS) WITHOUT A FEE.
You expect petty criminals to be "honorable"?
What an ass.
-Aaron-
Actually, Aagent Aaron, he is whining that he has to pay for some things.
His problem is not with the legality, it is about having to pay his own
way in life.
===
> Are you a retard?
===
No, he's a freeloader (not to be confused with "freebander").
===
> You expect petty criminals to be "honorable"?
==
There you have it lads, being a "Keyclown" is just a "petty" offence...
rather like doing 45 in a 40 limit.
Let's take it one step further...
The "Anti" mob say:
Freebanders "steal" frequencies.
And, it is said that:
There's honor among thieves.
Therefore:
Yes Aagent Aaron, we can expect illegal CBers to be "honorable".
Brainbuster.
Ka2tus <ka2...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020601000209...@mb-da.aol.com...
>
> WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO "GOOD BUDDYS" WHO WOULD SHARE
> THERE INFORMATION WITH ANYONE??
===
There is plenty of free information on the Internet, and on so many
newsgroups. You will find schematics, mod info, wiring diagrams +
much more, free on the Internet.
Have you tried looking?
===
> WHY MUST PROFIT COME FIRST WHEN WE SHARE A RECREATIONAL INTEREST?
===
We all need money to survive.
Why should someone put a "good buddy" and his hobby before the ability to
feed his family?
I am always willing to help where I can, but if it comes to a choice of
supporting someone with their hobby or supporting my children by putting food
on the table so that they can eat... well, guess which one wins.
It is always nice to get something without having to pay directly at the time
or at the expense of the paying customer, but the world cannot run totally
that way.
I do not know about America but, in the UK, it is becoming harder to live
on the "average" wage so people need to survive by making money where
they can.
===
> JUST LIKE A DRUG ADDICT IN RECOVERY WHO KNOWS NOTHING ELSE BUT
> ADDICTION AND MUST THEN TRY TO PROFIT ON HIS/HER KNOWLEDGE AS
> THEY TRY TO HELP THOSE STILL SUFFERING. THE OLD GOOD BUDDYS HAVE
> SOLD OUT BY TRYING TO PROFIT ON THEIR KNOWLEGE WHICH WAS ONCE
> NOTHING MORE THAN A COLLECTION OF GOOD WILL COMMUNITY
> KNOWLEDGE.
===
Are you now saying that CBers are all drug addicts?
What a great example of the "goodwill" that you are complaining about
a lack of.
===
> THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CB DAYS OF OLD. NO LONGER
> CAN YOU FIND A GOOD BUDDY WITH FREELY GIVEN BY GOOD WILL ANY AND ALL
> INFORMATION THEY HAVE. IT IS CALLED SHARING. AS PROFIT CORRUPTS OUR
> CITIZEN'S BAND WHICH IS NOW FULL OF SELF ANNOINTED "PROFESSIONALS"
> WHO, FOR AN UNJUST FEE, WILL SELL WHAT WAS SO FREELY GIVEN TO THEM
> WHEN THEY WERE THE NEW JACKS ON THE BAND.
===
Tell us, do you work for an employer just for "goodwill" or do you expect to
be paid for helping him out? Can you only be paid for doing work that you
hate?
Not all Professionals are "self appointed"... many have certificates or
licences which were given by accepted authorities or institutions.
Or are you of the opinion that CBers are all too stupid to have certificates
and be REAL professionals?
===
> I HAVE NO OBJECTION FOR CITIZEN BAND OPERATORS CHARGING A FEE
> FOR SERVICE (RADIO REPAIR, SALES ETC.).
===
Very nice of you to let us do that... thank you, Sir.
Providing information is a service, unless the info is about a product
that you hope to sell or have sold to the enquirer, then it becomes
marketing or customer care.
A service is any intangible product.
===
> BUT TO SELL INFORMATION THAT WAS
> ONCE FREELY GIVEN SEEMS OBSCENE TO ME.
===
OK, answer this one for me...
I sell service manuals for radios, usually ones that are not available
elsewhere. To study the equipment, work out the procedures, draw
the diagrams from scratch by looking at the circuit, type out the text,
proof read, correct errors, etc takes some time... to say the least.
Do you approve of me charging for copies of these manuals or the
component databooks I also offer for sale?
===
> THAT IS WHY I AM NOW AS HAM
> RADIO OPERATROR
===
Boy, are you in for a short, sharp shock!
Have you seen:
1. The prices of Ham gear in the shops?
2. The sale of wire antennas which could be made cheaply?
3. The price of those wire antennas?
4. The sale of ready made patch leads to Amateurs?
5. The price they can get for these ready made leads?
Compare the prices of Amateur equipment to that of CB, then consider that
much of the Amateur equipment could be made easily and cheaply.
Also consider that Ham radio was about building your own equipment but now
they just go to the shop, hand over lots of dosh, then plug and play. If it
goes wrong... the shop will fix it.
Now then... who has sold out for the "almighty Dollar" (or the
"powerful pound" here)?
===
> WHERE YOU CAN STILL FIND A GOOD BUDDY WHO WILL
> PROVIDE INFORMATION (COPIES OF SCHEMATICS) WITHOUT A FEE.
===
Yeah sure, like all Amateurs do it for the "goodwill". Should I go
to the local Ham shop and ask if I can have a free schematic?
When was the last time you tried depositing $200 of "goodwill" into your bank
account? How about your local Supermarket, will they accept "goodwill" in
exchange for goods?
This "anti-spending" attitude made CB in the UK pretty dismal at one time.
Because UK CBers were not willing to spend money on decent radios,
manufacturers like Uniden pulled out of the UK market and we got
all the crap designs. Some got "bleedover" from legal 4 Watt stations over 4
miles away. You could put one of those radios on CH20 and hear all 40 at
once... you only needed a channel selector when trying to get in on one
of the conversations you could hear.
The Radiocommunications Agency (our version of the FCC) had to step in and
place minimum spec on the receiver adjacent channel rejection. This spec
forced the manufacturers to use better designs with crystal filters as
standard.
Either something is spot on, correct, useful and worth paying for... or it is
crap. incorrect, useless, and just a waste of time or space - even if it is
free.
So, regardless of any charge made (or not), if something is not worth
paying for then it is not worth accepting as a gift either.
Regards,
Brainbuster.
>Aaron H. Voobner <aaron_h...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:d014ebfd.02060...@posting.google.com...
>> ka2...@aol.com (Ka2tus) wrote in message
>news:<20020601000209...@mb-da.aol.com>...
>> >
>> > THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CB DAYS OF OLD. NO
>> > LONGER CAN YOU FIND A GOOD BUDDY WITH FREELY GIVEN BY GOOD
>> > WILL ANY AND ALL INFORMATION THEY HAVE. IT IS CALLED SHARING. AS
>> > PROFIT CORRUPTS OUR CITIZEN'S BAND WHICH IS NOW FULL OF SELF
>> > ANNOINTED "PROFESSIONALS" WHO, FOR AN UNJUST FEE, WILL SELL
>> > WHAT WAS SO FREELY GIVEN TO THEM WHEN THEY WERE THE NEW JACKS
>> > ON THE BAND.
>>
>> Crying about injustice because you can't get free info about illegal CB
>> amps?
>===
>
>Actually, Aagent Aaron, he is whining that he has to pay for some things.
>His problem is not with the legality, it is about having to pay his own
>way in life.
You mean like operating illegally in order to shirk the
responsibilities of a license? Or lacking the ambition to learn code?
Or maybe some people spent so much cash on those amps and mods that
they can't spare the few bucks for the ticket?
>===
>> Are you a retard?
>===
>
>No, he's a freeloader (not to be confused with "freebander").
About the only difference is the spelling.
>===
>> You expect petty criminals to be "honorable"?
>==
>
>There you have it lads, being a "Keyclown" is just a "petty" offence...
>rather like doing 45 in a 40 limit.
Back to the old "jaywalking" analogy. Drop the spin and answer the
question: Do you think criminal behavior is honorable?
>Let's take it one step further...
>
>The "Anti" mob say:
> Freebanders "steal" frequencies.
>
>And, it is said that:
> There's honor among thieves.
The proverb is, "There is no honor among thieves". Good show!
No, I meant what I said. Some people are not willing to pay for
anything, they think that the world owes them a living.
If you can get it free, take it... but don't expect it as a right.
===
> >No, he's a freeloader (not to be confused with "freebander").
>
> About the only difference is the spelling.
===
No, Freebanders will pay for their equipment, usually spending far
more on their equipment than most legal CBers do... a freeloader is
not willing to pay, they will expect you to give it away.
===
> >> You expect petty criminals to be "honorable"?
> >
> >There you have it lads, being a "Keyclown" is just a "petty" offence...
> >rather like doing 45 in a 40 limit.
>
> Back to the old "jaywalking" analogy. Drop the spin and answer the
> question: Do you think criminal behavior is honorable?
===
Aagent Aaron said it was "petty"... take it up with him.
I was simply pointing out that what he was suggesting is not in line
with the "AKC" way of thinking. I am sure that he would not want to
see his membership cancelled.
Is there anything in the "AKC" members handbook about selling
broadcast transmitters for use as Pirate stations?
Do you think that criminal behaviour is "honorable" if done in a
forum specifically for such activity?
Brainbuster.
>Sparky <spa...@cet.com> wrote in message
>news:3cfaf8af...@news.cet.com...
>> In <adethj$978$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Brainbuster"
>> <brain...@lineone.spamtrap.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Aaron H. Voobner <aaron_h...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:d014ebfd.02060...@posting.google.com...
>> >>
>> >> Crying about injustice because you can't get free info about illegal CB
>> >> amps?
>> >===
>> >
>> >Actually, Aagent Aaron, he is whining that he has to pay for some things.
>> >His problem is not with the legality, it is about having to pay his own
>> >way in life.
>>
>> You mean like operating illegally in order to shirk the
>> responsibilities of a license? Or lacking the ambition to learn code?
>> Or maybe some people spent so much cash on those amps and mods that
>> they can't spare the few bucks for the ticket?
>===
>
>No, I meant what I said. Some people are not willing to pay for
>anything, they think that the world owes them a living.
>If you can get it free, take it... but don't expect it as a right.
Damnit, I have to agree with you there. I just don't agree that the
explanation applies to Voobner. After all, what do you think he is
"getting for free"?
>===
>> >No, he's a freeloader (not to be confused with "freebander").
>>
>> About the only difference is the spelling.
>===
>
>No, Freebanders will pay for their equipment, usually spending far
>more on their equipment than most legal CBers do... a freeloader is
>not willing to pay, they will expect you to give it away.
Just like a freebander. They don't want to spend the time, money and
effort to get a license and operate on legally assigned frequencies,
and they seem to think that if the "freeband" is well used then the
legal designates for that band will just give it away. Sounds like a
freeloader to me.
>===
>> >> You expect petty criminals to be "honorable"?
>> >
>> >There you have it lads, being a "Keyclown" is just a "petty" offence...
>> >rather like doing 45 in a 40 limit.
>>
>> Back to the old "jaywalking" analogy. Drop the spin and answer the
>> question: Do you think criminal behavior is honorable?
>===
>
>Aagent Aaron said it was "petty"... take it up with him.
I'm not comparing "petty" or "serious", I asked if you think criminal
behavior is honorable. Do you?
>I was simply pointing out that what he was suggesting is not in line
>with the "AKC" way of thinking. I am sure that he would not want to
>see his membership cancelled.
>
>Is there anything in the "AKC" members handbook about selling
>broadcast transmitters for use as Pirate stations?
I don't know, I have never seen the handbook. But on the other hand, I
still own my Catel (which, BTW, is not a transmitter, but a modulator
for use with closed cable systems. It wouldn't hurt to do a little
research before you jump to conclusions.)
>Do you think that criminal behaviour is "honorable" if done in a
>forum specifically for such activity?
Let's consider an example: "criminal behavior done in a forum" would
mean that it is the discussion that is criminal. So to pick a type of
"criminal discussion", I'll choose advertising CB amps which is a
crime because of CFR 2.815. A forum with the sole intent of illegally
advertising equipment that is illegal to manufacture and operate on
the CB, sold to people with the express purpose of violating federal
regulations, and undoubtedly causing god knows how much interference
to other electronics. Do I think that is honorable? OF COURSE NOT, you
dope!
>
>
>Brainbuster.
>
>
Why, gratification jollies, of course. You know you only type with 1
hand when you play drag.
Hey, we agree on something!!
As for Aaron, no, I was not referring to Aaron but the original post in this
thread (ka2...@aol.com - Ka2tus), who complained about people actually
charging money for their time and effort.
The "don't want to pay for it" attitude caused the UK to be flooded with
cheap equipment. There was one UK board (used in several radios) that
ripped through the band (and neighbouring bands) every time they were
keyed up. Anyone nearby could hear a "farting" through the band every
time the owner keyed up.
And that radio was legal, fully approved by our government.
===
> you dope!
===
Why do you have to resort to childish insults?
Your inability to debate a subject like an adult shows.
Never mind, you'll probably come back with more childish
insults, so back you go... plonk.
Brainbuster.