WHAT IS THE BEST MOBILE ANTENNA?
Cathobbs
I need info on a mobile antenna. I need one that gets out good for my PA
system. Can my PA signal travel further with low swr's in two antennas, or is
it best to just use one. Who makes a better PA system for a radio? Price is
no object, as I am willing to splurge and buy a cobra 25. It will be going in
my 1978 Pinto.
Sean
with constant posts like this, hopefully somebody will rear end that Pinto
with you in it. granted, some of them are amusing, but spread them out a
little. too much stupidity at once can be an overpowering thing and lose
it's charm. Sean aka Bigfoot
Cathobbs <cath...@aol.com> wrote in article
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Ben in TN
The Wilson 1000 base loaded antenna with stainless steel whip has the most
gain of any CB antenna I know of except for a 102 inch whip mounted directly
in the same location. It's not very practical to mount a 102 inch whip in
the middle of your roof but, it is very practical to mount the Wilson 1000
in the middle of your roof with either a magnet mount or a hole mount.
Ben Pennington
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tracy glenn
Cathobbs wrote:
>
> I need info on a mobile antenna. I need one that gets out good for my PA
> system. Can my PA signal travel further with low swr's in two antennas, or is
> it best to just use one. Who makes a better PA system for a radio? Price is
> no object, as I am willing to splurge and buy a cobra 25. It will be going in
> my 1978 Pinto.
help too.....any year.AB7RS
Alyssa Van Order
WILSON!!!!! ANY OF THEM AT ALL< I DON"T CARE AS LONG AS IT SAYS WILSON
IT ISTHE BEST!!!!!!
Alyssa
Doug Davis
The 102" whip is probably the most efficient if you can overcome the mounting
limitations.
Wilson, K-40, Jo Gunn, Larsen, Big Mama are all good antennas with almost equal
performance.
Doug
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On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 05:48:54 -0500, giRL_l...@webtv.net (Alyssa Van
Order) wrote:
>WILSON!!!!! ANY OF THEM AT ALL< I DON"T CARE AS LONG AS IT SAYS WILSON
>IT ISTHE BEST!!!!!!
>Alyssa
It's something about the (W) .I think The (W) in Wilson conducts
RF better. Kindas like one of those Bose wave radios.
JVillafane
if you crack open a wilson antenna you will find that it is nothing but a small
coil wound on a piece of plastic .the same goes for the k40 .and with the wip
been so flexeble when driving you swr goes up
Dave or Debby
Alyssa Van Order wrote:
>
> WILSON!!!!! ANY OF THEM AT ALL< I DON"T CARE AS LONG AS IT SAYS WILSON
> IT ISTHE BEST!!!!!!
> Alyssa
about antenna design or engineering? IF you want to waste your $$$,
then Wilson IS the best money waster! Dave
Dave or Debby
MMulback wrote:
>
> Wilson is a very good antenna for Cb just mount it and enjoy no farting around
> with lenth for match its fairly wide banded also .
> there is a diffrence! 1/4 wave may have some remote advantages
> Ive never went that route.Dont plan on it either
MM:
The wilson's on the BIG trucks that I have matched in DID
NEED to be cut down. Actually ANY antenna needs to be checked & most of
them need to be adjusted.
The 108" whip IS the best, has EVERY
advantage over EVERYTHING shorter. Try one, you'll love it. Only $40 &
ship from me (7 in stock). Plan on it some day. You will be amazed &
glad that you did (because it gets out the BEST ! Dave
Ben in TN
I thought I already went through this.
Number 1 is 102 steel whip with spring and quick disconnect.
Number 2 is Wilson 1000 antenna with long steel whip.
Number 3 is K40 with long stainless steel whip.
The most practical winner is the Wilson 1000. Unless you are going to mount
the 102 whip directly in the top of your vehicle. That isn't very practical
is it. It is very practical with the Wilson on the other hand and that's
where it should go. End of thread please.
Ben Pennington
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I agree Dave, the Wilson is over rated and over priced...
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:> WILSON!!!!! ANY OF THEM AT ALL< I DON"T CARE AS LONG AS IT SAYS WILSON
:> IT ISTHE BEST!!!!!!
:> Alyssa
:
: What else can you expect someone to say that knows NOTHING
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Ben, your number one choice is right on the money...
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Ben in TN wrote in message <8bzMnPn...@news.michiana.org>...
:I thought I already went through this.
:Number 1 is 102 steel whip with spring and quick disconnect.
:Number 2 is Wilson 1000 antenna with long steel whip.
:Number 3 is K40 with long stainless steel whip.
:
:The most practical winner is the Wilson 1000. Unless you are going to
mount
:the 102 whip directly in the top of your vehicle. That isn't very
practical
:is it. It is very practical with the Wilson on the other hand and that's
:where it should go. End of thread please.
:
:Ben Pennington
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:WILSON!!!!! ANY OF THEM AT ALL< I DON"T CARE AS LONG AS IT SAYS WILSON
:IT ISTHE BEST!!!!!!
:Alyssa
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:
GHOSTRIDR
Alyssa Van Order wrote:
>
> WILSON!!!!! ANY OF THEM AT ALL< I DON"T CARE AS LONG AS IT SAYS WILSON
> IT ISTHE BEST!!!!!!
> Alyssa
I like the big Bubba 1200 It will out talk a k-40 and has better ears
than the wilson 1000.
Bernard Cormier
In article <34E8A7...@prodigy.net>, GHOS...@prodigy.net says...
I have to agree. I have a Big Bubba 1200 also. I compared it to a 1/4 wave
whip on top of my van. There was very little difference between them. The big
Bubba 1200 was lot more practical and had less SWR. That gave me more
clearance and bandwidth to play with.
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Ed Colebaugh
saying wilson is the best is understandable, but from what point of view? if
you like pretty, ok or in your case you own one, but if you want performance
a top loaded antenna will outperform a center loaded antenna and a center
loaded antenna will outperform a base loaded antenna and the best performing
antenna overall will be a 102 " stainless steel whip in the mobile catagory.
Dave or Debby
Ben in TN wrote:
>
> I thought I already went through this.
> Number 1 is 102 steel whip with spring and quick disconnect.
> Number 2 is Wilson 1000 antenna with long steel whip.
> Number 3 is K40 with long stainless steel whip.
>
> The most practical winner is the Wilson 1000. Unless you are going to mount
> the 102 whip directly in the top of your vehicle. That isn't very practical
> is it. It is very practical with the Wilson on the other hand and that's
> where it should go. End of thread please.
>
> Ben Pennington
TN Ben:
Actually, it goes like this:
(1) 108" steel whip (I sell them still!).
(2) 102" whip & spring & disc.
(3) 8' Francis or other brand fiberglass.
(4) 7' Fiberglass antenna (whatever co.).
(5) 6' Fiberglass (IF there is such a thing).
(6) 5 1/2' CB 26 Francis fiberglass.
(7) THEN, comming in @ #7 is your
Wilson's, K40's & other 5' steel whip
antennas with the coil at the bottom!
(8) Everything shorter, fiberglass have
coil higher-are better. All the way down
to the car phone look alikes, which are
THE WORST (even worse than the splitter
off the car antenna) that I also sell @
$30!
I think this is a more truthful, more technically accurate
listing of just WHICH is the best! So much for your Wilsons @ #7 ! IF
I forgot anything, please let me know! Dave @ tr...@planetc.com !!!
It IS practical to mount a 102 or 108 whip ANYWHERE on the rear of the
vehicle. I prefer the passenger side to make it look like a BEARS CAR!!
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Dave or Debby
Professor wrote:
>
> I agree Dave, the Wilson is over rated and over priced...
>
YOU TELL THEM all, PROfessor! Look @ my other post I just did
on this same subject & comment please! Dave!
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> :Alyssa Van Order wrote:
> :>
> :> WILSON!!!!! ANY OF THEM AT ALL< I DON"T CARE AS LONG AS IT SAYS WILSON
> :> IT ISTHE BEST!!!!!!
> :> Alyssa
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WILSON I just bought one unreal how it will talk....
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The only bad thing is that broadbandedness in shortened antennas usually
indicates lower effeciency than a physically longer antenna with less loading
Mike
In article <6cafpi$j9t$1...@usenet51.supernews.com>,
sta...@fundy.mapson.net (Bernard Cormier) wrote:
> I have to agree. I have a Big Bubba 1200 also. I compared it to a 1/4 wave
> whip on top of my van. There was very little difference between them. The
big
> Bubba 1200 was lot more practical and had less SWR. That gave me more
> clearance and bandwidth to play with.
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The K-40 is the only 10/11 meter antenna that has survived my off road
driving through the woods without damage. I had one that survived a
direct hit on the coil from a tree branch at 30 MPH. I've noticed most
ham antennas seem to be designed for small vehicles that never encounter
overhead obstacles.......and they never put enough coax on those things
for an ext. cab pickup.
Grrtiger ^..^
EMccleese
I have had no problems at all with my Tiger antenna. 1/4 inch wave, 2000 watts
am...about 6 feet tall...
Sean
this is normally true Mike, and an excellent observation and post. you
would have to have a lower Q coil to achieve this, which means that it
would also typically produce lower field strength readings. you can play
with the loading though to achieve a more concentrated angle of radiation,
thus slightly negating the lower gain of the antenna. Sean
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ZANDOR1
What about the SUPER PENATRATOR?????????
tn...@muck.net
Well you asked, and even though I get a lot of flack everytime
I post this here goes.
I have not tested all antennas but I have
tested a few against the 102" whip with the Six inch spring to
bring down the match. The one antenna that I did test, that did
outperform the 108" whip, was the seven foot Firestik. I was not
expecting this. The conditions of the test follow:
1. Both conected to Hustler Quick disconnects
2. Both used at 1.2 : 1 match
3. Both tested with a constant tone, constant power transmitter
4. Both used on a three magnet mount on the roof of a truck
5. Both tested from a parked vehicle that never moved during the test
6. Both tested within a very brief time period of each other
7. Both used real stationary recievers from three to thirty miles
away. There were about six operaters cooperating with this
test.
THE RESULTS? Two of the six noted a slight increase of signal
strength. The others could not see any difference. This all from an
antenna two feet shorter.
Beware of information from "experts" (real or self-proclaimed). There
is antenna theory and there is antenna reality. We have yet to see a
vehicle that simulates a lab. While theory is a good starting
place...experience is the only place to end up. The best book on
theory will produce the worst antenna you could own.Some "experts" may
"claim" 5/8 wave mobile antennas are not possible because they would
need to be 23 feet high. They are wrong! Physical length and ground
wave performance are not the same. If you ever hear someone make that
claim, ask them how a handheld CB can have a 1/4 wave antenna 8 inches
long and 1/4 wave mobile antennas from 12-60 inches long in spite of
the fact that a physical 1/4 wave is 108 inches.
SUBJECT: 7foot KW7 Firestik performance compared to the 102" whip
In most (but not all) cases, the KW7 will out perform the 102" whip
because of its design. The 102" whip radiates along its entire length,
but mostly performs as a ź wave base loaded antenna (works better than
a loaded ź wave because of the height and relative capture surface).
The xmit pattern of the 102" whip (on an ideal ground plane) is fairly
spherical which means that a portion of the magnetic wave propagation
is upward, versus outward along a horizontal direction.
The KW7 antenna, although eighteen (18) inches shorter than the 102"
whip, has about 265 linear inches of wire. Like all Firestik
wire-wound antennas, the design is so that the magnetic wave field
strength is greatly heightened at the uppermost portion of the antenna
where it is most beneficial. The voltage at the base of the antenna is
relatively low while the current is relatively high. As the current
moves up the antenna it finds that the windings become closer
together, eventually fully compressed against one another. The
increasing intensity of the magnetic field slows the current and
causes the voltage to drastically increase along the upper reaches of
the antenna. If you have ever studied induction coil principles, you
will understand the current/voltage relationship properties that are
utilized in the design of wire-wound top loaded antennas.
Aside from the benefits of coil design, the KW7, as a function of its
design, has a lower angle of radiation than does the 102" whip.
Accordingly, the radiation holds closer to ground level over longer
distances. When it comes to "skip" it is difficult to determine what
antenna might work better than the other when communicating with a
fixed location. For the most part, most antenna designs have a
different angle of radiation. If you have ever played billiards you
know that changing the angle where the ball initially hits a rail will
effect the exit angle and location that it strikes the opposing rail.
Unlike billiards however, the ionosphere layer that the RF signal
bounces off of is constantly changing. One day you might be able to
talk to someone 500 miles away and the next day, only those that are
1,000 miles away. But, if you change the antenna on that day, the
angle of radiation of the different antenna might now allow you to
talk to the station that is 500 miles away. If you find out how to
control the ionosphere, you will leave this earth a famous person.
The 102" whip is a classic and it will always have a home in the CB
marketplace. As far as we are concerned there are two main advantages
of the 102" whip. 1) They are fairly forgiving when it comes to
problems caused by odd mounting locations and, 2) You can bang it into
just about anything without worrying about damaging it. On the
downside is the xmit pattern, angle of radiation and inability to
utilize induction principles to increase coupling voltage.
AND NO Proffeser I do not work for Firestik. I believe the 8' Francis
if it is helicaly wound will also outperform the 108 " whip.
Boba Fett
zan...@aol.com (ZANDOR1) wrote:
>What about the SUPER PENATRATOR?????????
>
I agree with him. If it's a commercial antenna we are talking about
instead of a home made one then the SUPER PENATRATOR is the best in my
opinion.
Sean
i also would agree. the wilson is a good antenna for the common user
though. it also makes for easy "picken's" as to who to key down against.
Sean aka Bigfoot
Professor <bgri...@megsinet.net> wrote in article
<6c9i5g$ss3$2...@news.megsinet.net>...
> I agree Dave, the Wilson is over rated and over priced...
>
Sean
if we're talking mass produced antennas, my vote goes to the Workman
Exterminator aka SP-2000, which is also sold under several different names
by different companies such as CTE and Midland. these use two coils of
staggered turns ratios with tubing instead of chromed wire for the coil.
these are higher gain, have wider bandwidth and are typically slightly
cheaper than a real RF Limited Penetrator. they do need to be sealed at
all of the different connection points though, to minimize corrosion and
maintain good electrical continuity. they are bigger and uglier, so some
would still choose the Penetrator over this if they were more concerned
with looks instead of performance. Sean
Boba Fett <b...@li.net> wrote in article <34eb81d0.2182493@news>...
Cam
I use what is called a 'Skip whip' - its basically a special type of mobile
aerial that puts out a different sort of
signal pattern that helps you put out skip and recieve it. But mainly the
best advantage of it is that it somehow seems to bounce over tall buildings
and hills - I dont know how it does this - I've been told that its the way
the signal is transmitted.
Anyway - I have also been told that they are the next best thing next to a
10 foot stainless steel aerial.
Cheers
Cameron
ZANDOR1
So which do you think is better??
The Super Penatrator or the Wilson 5000???
ZANDOR1
What about the Francis whip that is only about 96 inches. How does that rate
against the ones you mentioned????
Sean
if we're talking the base loaded 5000 against the Penetrator BIC II, i'll
take the Penetrator anyday. if we are talking about the trucker 5000 and
shaft length to shaft length, it would probably be close. between the
Penetrator and the Wilson 1000 trucker with equal shaft length under the
coil, i would take the Penetrator hands down. an improvement that can be
made to ANY of these antennas is to drill out the top section and install a
larger diameter whip that it more rigid. you will see slightly better
bandwidth and power handling, not to mention minimize signal flutter. the
reduction in fluttering also presents a more consistent impedance to the
radio / amp for better loading. the only drawback to this is that, if
mounted high, the antenna coil support will take more stress from the whip
not flexing as much. please take this into account if performing this mod.
Sean
ZANDOR1 <zan...@aol.com> wrote in article
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Sean
it's a good antenna, but won't handle large amounts of power due to the
tiny wire used internally. i prefer these over steel 102" whips due to the
increased rigidity and reduction in signal flutter. these antennas also
seem to be less sensitive to detuning caused by other metal objects in it's
magnetic field. the techs at Francis told me 800 to 1000 watts, which is
more than enough for the average guy. Sean
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tn...@muck.net
On 19 Feb 1998 17:01:37 GMT, zan...@aol.com (ZANDOR1) wrote:
>What about the Francis whip that is only about 96 inches. How does that rate
>against the ones you mentioned????
Never compared it. Don't evwn know for sure if it is helicaly
wound like the Firestik. Maybe someone could clarify that
point. If it is helicaly wound then I would expect it to compare
quite well.
tn...@muck.net
On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:08:44 +0800, "Cam" <Ri...@usa.net> wrote:
>I use what is called a 'Skip whip' - its basically a special type of mobile
>aerial that puts out a different sort of
>signal pattern that helps you put out skip and recieve it. But mainly the
>best advantage of it is that it somehow seems to bounce over tall buildings
>and hills -
Just keep it clear of Kyptonite.
Dave or Debby
Cam wrote:
>
> I use what is called a 'Skip whip' - its basically a special type of mobile
> aerial that puts out a different sort of
> signal pattern that helps you put out skip and recieve it. But mainly the
> best advantage of it is that it somehow seems to bounce over tall buildings
> the signal is transmitted.
>
> Anyway - I have also been told that they are the next best thing next to a
> 10 foot stainless steel aerial.
>
> Cheers
> Cameron
You mean a 9 foot SS aerial (108"), right?
There was a Christian contemporary song in the early 80's or late 70's
that had a line in it that said "I've been told......" The ONLY
important question is (a) how LONG was it & (b) WHERE was it's coil ?
If we start a topic called "I've been told...." I'm sure it would go on
forever! Dave!!!!!!!!!!!
Dave or Debby
Altavictim wrote:
>
> I have an a Workman SP-3000. Whats the difference between the 2000 & 3000
> (size of coils?)? Anyway, I use to run a Wilson 1000 on the roof and no one
> could tell the difference on transmit when testing them side by side. However,
> no question that the SP-3000 hears better than the Wilson.
>
> Jr
JR:
The thicker the coil, the more the watts it will take from
your liniker before heating up too much! If you run those BIG power
'hood stations, den yo will have FAT coils, 'cause yo will have 10-25 kw
out of da mobeel! I don't sell dem fat coiled antennas. I herd dey
was home made somewhere in da hood! Dave!!!!
Altavictim
Andrew Cody
Greetings!
Some Francis and Shakespear antennas use a "tape foil" wrap - works well
and is continuously loaded antenna - but they are the shorter counterparts
to a typical 1/4 wave whip. A fiberglass core, wrapped with "copper foil tape",
and coated again with fiberglass sheathing to protect it - it can handle some
power - but due to the loading - the voltage at the tips of these antennas causes
arcing and corona when using it with overrated power levels.
The 96 inches - is due to the copper wire inside - it has a resonate area for 27MHz
that uses less "length" and is why it's 96 inches versus the 102" - both require a
shock spring. The "Velocity Factor" of Copper is different [Shorter] than the Stainless
Steel counterpart - [higher carbon content].
One of my favorites - was ;-<, a Tiger-Tail 6 foot Tri-Wound. Trying to use power
on one of these - due to the size of the coil and wire resistance - the tip got/gets
exceptionally "hot" and the shrinkwrap fails [burns up] when used in excess of
200 watts - they just didn't have enough heat sinking at the tip to keep things
cool when the voltage and the subsequent heat, got high. It even can melt the
solder! At least that's what happened while used on a T/S 250 from "the golden
era" when Amplifiers were true-rated - What Fun! [Sigh]
Dynamite antenna, but a little too ahead of it's time...
Sean wrote in message <01bd3d5c$26949840$4dec7ece@bigfoot>...
>it's a good antenna, but won't handle large amounts of power due to the
>tiny wire used internally. i prefer these over steel 102" whips due to the
>increased rigidity and reduction in signal flutter. these antennas also
>seem to be less sensitive to detuning caused by other metal objects in it's
>magnetic field. the techs at Francis told me 800 to 1000 watts, which is
>more than enough for the average guy. Sean
>
>ZANDOR1 <zan...@aol.com> wrote in article
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>> What about the Francis whip that is only about 96 inches. How does that
>rate
>> against the ones you mentioned????
>>
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Hello Andy: Great post! I thought the Francis antennas had a single
wire inside the fiberglass. I have a Francis Amazer 96 inch fiberglass
antenna mounted on top of my 1977 Ford 4X4 truck, yeah a lot of people
ask if I sell Moonshine, I repley 3 bucks American for a jar. And I got
a lot of QSL cards for countries all over the world. The Francis Amazer
antenna works great.
Jay at jay...@ptw.com
Sean
Francis antennas DO NOT require a spring, as they are almost always
electrically too long already. Adding a spring would only detune the
antenna for the normal cb band. Sean aka Bigfoot
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This is achieved through it's angle of radiation. An optimum angle of
radiation is really dependent on a variety of things. Time of day, distance
of the intended receiver (which is at the mercy of MUF), and surrounding
terrain. An angle to high will send the signal straight into space with no
reflection. An angle to low can get you nice distance locally but will
maximize your skip range. Short haul skip is toughest to achieve due to the
present condition of E-F1-F2 layers, the angle of maximum radiation and the
critical MUF (Maximum Usable Frequency).
-> Phil
Cam wrote in article
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On 17 Feb 1998 03:49:45 GMT, jcm...@aol.com (JCM1168) wrote:
>SUPER PENATRATOR ALL THE WAY!
Funny, When I was in Henderson, Nevada near where the penetrators
were made {HELLO YT, HILLBILLY, GRANDMA ect...} the locals badmouthed
them something ferocious (while trying to sell used ones for 40.00)
But they were dominating the airwaves with Wilson's, 1 Francis Amazor,
and 108" whips.........Go figure!
I use my radio almost daily at work and would not trade out my Wilson
for any other 60" mag mount. I used K-40's previously and found them
to be ok but not as good as the Wilson.
Neal
Anaheim, Ca
****remember that all stainless whips need scotchbrighting on a
regular basis to maintain maximum efficiency*******
Dave or Debby
ZANDOR1 wrote:
>
> What about the Francis whip that is only about 96 inches. How does that rate
> against the ones you mentioned????
7' ones (96" is 8', right?).
Dave!
Andrew Cody
Greetings!
Jay wrote in message <34ED95...@ptw.com>...
>Hello Andy: Great post! I thought the Francis antennas had a single
>wire inside the fiberglass. I have a Francis Amazer 96 inch fiberglass
>antenna mounted on top of my 1977 Ford 4X4 truck, yeah a lot of people
>ask if I sell Moonshine, I repley 3 bucks American for a jar. And I got
>a lot of QSL cards for countries all over the world. The Francis Amazer
>antenna works great.
>
>Jay at jay...@ptw.com
Whoops!
I gotta' clarify something here - the "continuous loaded" was for their shorter antennas.
I'm not sure about the 96" one - I believe they still use a core diameter - but the foil is
not wound. The Francis I have is the 6' footer - and the trimming [To clarify Seans' post,
I didn't realize that Sean, the one that I know of - they use a 6" shock spring and gives
a farily low 1.3 SWR reading for the bandwidth of 1-40 - the antenna is VERY broadbanded
for it's size.] that I needed done - taking the end off and splitting it apart is how I found out
how these antennas are made - the foil has a large surface area of about 1/4" width and
the core diameter is 3/16" with the spacing of the winding between - being about 1/16" of
an inch - quite close tolerance and I can see why they are a bit more expensive than the
cheaper imitations. The foil though - is very thin, about the consistency of aluminum foil.
Because of coppers' malleability and the way its' wound - it can take some abuse - but not
all the time in the way the antenna is built. The fiberglass sheath is fiberous along the length
or vertical axis of the antenna - so if you trim - seal it well and keep fraying down.
But whats neat - is the antenna winding is not really tapered like a S/S or fiberglass straight
core - it's quite constant - and allows for some good bandwidth, even at the shorter lengths.
Jay, good to hear from you again, if you ever take that antenna apart - or the elements do, take
a look at it and how it's built - I'd really like to know. The neighbors that have one like yours
aren't to willing to part with theirs - bummer ... ;-)
Sean
the k30 uses compressed tree bark as a coil former. i think that the K40
trucker also uses this type of material, but am not sure. the wilsons use
plastic with "fingers" so that there is not as much direct contact between
the wire and the plastic coil former. this reduces heat transfer and
results in greater efficiency. yes, the whips are too flimsy and do cause
swr / signal fluctuations. Sean
JVillafane <jvill...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980215171...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> if you crack open a wilson antenna you will find that it is nothing but a
small
> coil wound on a piece of plastic .the same goes for the k40 .and with the
wip
> been so flexeble when driving you swr goes up
>
>
>
PAINKI6669
hmm..this all depends
on key downs use a double air coil(dr crow)
on reg use use wilson becouse its simple
if your married get your wife one of thoughs ..hehehe
as for yourself double aircoil..is the best
reason 1 everything loses heat ..phyics şżş)
reason 2 with a air coil you will get gain becouse of the magnetic field
created...physics şżş)..exampile.
put dc current thru a a wire rapped around a pencil
tada you have made a magnet..
reason 3 the 50 ohm load needed can be made witha coil
reason 4 magnetic fields are radiation ..all taransmitts are radation..they are
both waves ..you can manipulate radio waves just like gravity ..becouse gravity
is a magnetic field..( reasons hehehe)
reason 5..ill explain the above ..everyone knows you need a good ground plain
say if your in a mobil
you go across a bridge and bam every one is louder .
thats becouse water is has a higher magnetic field than regular dirt..thats the
reason for
aka dead zones ..magnetic fields vary..up and down and even around you right
this minute ..
//////////////////////
when you use magnetic fields rather plain logic to push your signal along ..the
out come is great
a 102 loses heat becouse the stinger itself is its load.
theres a plus with a short stinger you get more power out ..becouse less is
lost..short distances are more efficant..there are always limits...phyics
the frequency we talk on rides the outside of the antena not the center..if you
increase the girth more can be transmitted on the way to the tip
a double air coil transmitts flat side as well..becouse
of the the rolled coil for the load increasing effeciantcy
of radiation out put.(think of moon rakers on a base station shooting flat side
and vertical at the same time..sort of the same effect..easier to cut somebody
off ..grin.(shoot trying to explin this stuff is ruff)
you can expect 4 to five dp gain seen
..really its an increase in effeciatncy ..you can never
gain anything ..so when you look down at your meter
..just becouse it says 10 watts is not what is coming
out the antenna.swrs negotiable 1-0.1 ..
no reflective.etc...
o for people with peak meters devide 10 by 2.828 and that will be rms then
think from there more is lost .
(peak = 1.414 x rms..pep peak envelope power =
2.828 x rms ) buy a bird meter..anyway .laterz
PäěŃK죣ęR.............. boyou country
superbowl..............channel 6 to thous that have not gotten to that level..
PAINKI6669
dude hahaha 102 is not the band with 108 is
its 102 becouse 20 years ago they need to use springs
so the standered was made 102..it was thought people
wouild always buy a spring.
if you dont belive me think about this
what is one quater of cb bandwith Length
(CB BAND FULL LENTGH IS 36 FEET) tada 9 feet and change 9 times 12 inches per
foot
TADA 108 INCHES...MY REFRENCE IS
ONE WAVE OF SIGNAL OF 27.205 ..CHANNEL 6 OF COURSE IS 36 FEET AND CHANGE ..so
of course 108 tunes better on swrs 102 is 6 inches to short on the band
with..mathamatics..physics..everything is realitive ....................class
dismissed
laterz any comments suggetions send to
paink...@ThePentagon.com
channel 6 da big boys of radio
come play on the superbowl..PäěŃK죣ęR
tn...@muck.net
>(peak = 1.414 x rms..pep peak envelope power =
>2.828 x rms ) buy a bird meter..anyway .laterz
>
> P潇袺欤ｊR.............. boyou country
>superbowl..............channel 6 to thous that have not gotten to that level..
>
Give me a break.
10-7
I have been saying this all along I agree with your formula 100% ,
I also am a superbowler ....ch 6 ... 10-7's Mobile around the crap table ,
bump bump
tn...@muck.net wrote in message <34f0480...@news.tir.com>...
tn...@muck.net
On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:46:33 GMT, tn...@muck.net wrote:
>
>
>>(peak = 1.414 x rms..pep peak envelope power =
>>2.828 x rms ) buy a bird meter..anyway .laterz
>>
>> P潇袺欤ｊR.............. boyou country
>>superbowl..............channel 6 to thous that have not gotten to that level..
>>
Give me a break. Time to start reading the books. I don't know if your
talking about a carrier, a modulated signal or what. But if your
talking carrier----- RMS=PEAK=PEP. And if your talking modulated, you
can not make this blanket statement because peak to average ratios
vary tremendously.
Henry j Materek
the 8 foot wip is the best antenna .the next best antenna is
penetrator.
Dave or Debby
PAINKI6669 wrote:
>
> dude hahaha 102 is not the band with 108 is
> its 102 becouse 20 years ago they need to use springs
> so the standered was made 102..it was thought people
> wouild always buy a spring.
This is pure NONSENSE !!!!!(my comments are in this post).
> if you dont belive me think about this
> what is one quater of cb bandwith Length
> (CB BAND FULL LENTGH IS 36 FEET) tada 9 feet and change 9 times 12 inches per
> foot
> TADA 108 INCHES...MY REFRENCE IS
> ONE WAVE OF SIGNAL OF 27.205 ..CHANNEL 6 OF COURSE IS 36 FEET AND CHANGE ..so
> of course 108 tunes better on swrs 102 is 6 inches to short on the band
It tunes better because IT SUPPOSE to be 108" !!!
> with..mathamatics..physics..everything is realitive
No it isn't! More LIES from evolution & Heliocentricism! With
mathamatics everything is EXACT, unless you believe that 1+1=3 !
....................class
> dismissed
> laterz any comments suggetions send to
> paink...@ThePentagon.com
>
> channel 6 da big boys of radio
You mean big BROS, right? Dave!!!!!!!!!1
Dave or Debby
tn...@muck.net wrote:
>
> >(peak = 1.414 x rms..pep peak envelope power =
> >2.828 x rms ) buy a bird meter..anyway .laterz
> >
> > P潇袺欤ｊR.............. boyou country
> >superbowl..............channel 6 to thous that have not gotten to that level..
> >
> Give me a break.
right?
Dave
Jethro wrote:
>PAINKI6669 wrote in message
>reason 4 magnetic fields are radiation ..all taransmitts are radation..they
are
>both waves ..you can manipulate radio waves just like gravity ..becouse
gravity
>is a magnetic field..( reasons hehehe)
Gravity is a magnetic field?
And they say 6 years of public education isn't sufficient.
Here's yer proof gentlemen.
Yikes!
Dave
WHat about velocity factors? Is velocity the same in a vacuum as it is in
coax/steel whip antenna? I know in coax at least you have to figger for
velocity deltas.
Hmmmm...
PAINKI6669 wrote in message
<19980222135...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>dude hahaha 102 is not the band with 108 is
>its 102 becouse 20 years ago they need to use springs
>so the standered was made 102..it was thought people
>wouild always buy a spring.
>if you dont belive me think about this
> what is one quater of cb bandwith Length
>(CB BAND FULL LENTGH IS 36 FEET) tada 9 feet and change 9 times 12 inches
per
>foot
>TADA 108 INCHES...MY REFRENCE IS
>ONE WAVE OF SIGNAL OF 27.205 ..CHANNEL 6 OF COURSE IS 36 FEET AND CHANGE
..so
>of course 108 tunes better on swrs 102 is 6 inches to short on the band
>with..mathamatics..physics..everything is realitive
....................class
>dismissed
>laterz any comments suggetions send to
>paink...@ThePentagon.com
>
>channel 6 da big boys of radio
>
windsong
PAINKI6669 wrote:
>
> dude hahaha 102 is not the band with 108 is
> its 102 becouse 20 years ago they need to use springs
> so the standered was made 102..it was thought people
> wouild always buy a spring.
> if you dont belive me think about this
> what is one quater of cb bandwith Length
> (CB BAND FULL LENTGH IS 36 FEET) tada 9 feet and change 9 times 12 inches per
> foot
> TADA 108 INCHES...MY REFRENCE IS
> ONE WAVE OF SIGNAL OF 27.205 ..CHANNEL 6 OF COURSE IS 36 FEET AND CHANGE ..so
> of course 108 tunes better on swrs 102 is 6 inches to short on the band
> with..mathamatics..physics..everything is realitive ....................class
> dismissed
> laterz any comments suggetions send to
> paink...@ThePentagon.com
>
> channel 6 da big boys of radio
>
What A good laugh I had reading your idiot report and my friend you are
really a good idiot and you need to learn some radio wave theory and how
radio waves work and then you will learn why it has to be a 102 and the
spring has no effect on transmission or SWR and try it it don't matter
so better learn now before all of us big boys on all the channels squish
you like a bug what a idiot children band (CB)user anyway
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Dave or Debby
windsong wrote:
>
> PAINKI6669 wrote:
> >
> > dude hahaha 102 is not the band with 108 is
> > its 102 becouse 20 years ago they need to use springs
> > so the standered was made 102..it was thought people
> > wouild always buy a spring.
> > if you dont belive me think about this
> > what is one quater of cb bandwith Length
> > (CB BAND FULL LENTGH IS 36 FEET) tada 9 feet and change 9 times 12 inches per
> > foot
> > TADA 108 INCHES...MY REFRENCE IS
> > ONE WAVE OF SIGNAL OF 27.205 ..CHANNEL 6 OF COURSE IS 36 FEET AND CHANGE ..so
> > of course 108 tunes better on swrs 102 is 6 inches to short on the band
> > with..mathamatics..physics..everything is realitive ....................class
> > dismissed
> > laterz any comments suggetions send to
> > paink...@ThePentagon.com
> >
> > channel 6 da big boys of radio
> >
> What A good laugh I had reading your idiot report and my friend you are
> really a good idiot and you need to learn some radio wave theory and how
> radio waves work and then you will learn why it has to be a 102 and the
> spring has no effect on transmission or SWR and try it it don't matter
> so better learn now before all of us big boys on all the channels squish
> you like a bug what a idiot children band (CB)user anyway
Your ignorance is being amplified by your post! ANYTIME you
add anything to the length, it changes!!!! Get a job & a life! Dave!
nq9220700-Ostrowski
Sean wrote:
>
> the k30 uses compressed tree bark as a coil former. i think that the K40
> trucker also uses this type of material, but am not sure. the wilsons use
> plastic with "fingers" so that there is not as much direct contact between
> the wire and the plastic coil former.
Sean,
Let's design a new antenna using HEMP as the coil former. That way
when a overzealous CB`r runs too much power into it and 'lights it up',
at least he will be able to enjoy the smoke!
#12
ZANDOR1
What about those coil antennas made by Two Watt????
Isn't he from Florida and all the big keydown guys use his antennas!!!!!
PAINKI6669
hmm why do people add thinks do my post ,wonder how they did that hmm..some
stuff i never said and make look stupid but anyrate
ill catch there ass ..man gravity is a field ..magnetic field
i did not take all that shit in collage to get on here and some dumbass hick
tell me that he knows shit hahahaha ..i was saying what is true in lamens terms
becouse all people who read these posts are not the most intelligent life on
this planet ..thats why i wrote the way i did
.im a phyics major and a mathamatics major ..so tellme your eqations on the
idea .of such .o and the 108 inches is a fact read arrl ..
take frequency and devide it by a certain number ..read the arrl book.
i rather people learn on there own .and me just push in a certain direction..no
one said anything about air coil antennas ..and they dont talk on 6
..hahahaha...defantly and alternative to country folk cb.
which sucks..they dont know shit on most stations..
channel 6 is the big boys ..an yea there brothers but there my fellow brothers
..and yea im white but what does that have to do with me cutting your ass
off..which i do . dam racist pigs , you can t talk with them so you hate them
.not my falt you get cut off .and asking for a break is out of the question
.probly a dam driver ..
anyway im sure all the racist will reply ..so kiss my ass hehehehehe
šŋš) PäŅKėĢĢęR ........boom boom boom
PAINKI6669
two watt makes good base station boxes too
hehehe ceramics are cool hehehehe
10-7
I am witch ya Pain, I feel yow Pain.. I understands you completesly . Ill
catch you on the Bowl .
10-7's Ac Mobile
Round the Garden State
PAINKI6669 wrote in message
<19980227033...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>º¿º) PäÑK죣êR ........boom boom boom
>
>
10-7
2 watt makes a nice antenna for looks and construction wise , I am not
sure of the performance
ZANDOR1 wrote in message <19980225163...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
PAINKI6669
yea they dont want to say shit about keying up
grin..hope to have the old 32 girls back up and going
racist man i dont understand it not my fault there lamers
grin
P潇袺欤ｊR
and 10-7 you know how it is man
when your on the bowl its not about race
its about cutting people off
grin..they cant hang owell ..laterz man
PAINKI6669
hey 10-7 they need to use DrCrow i have dropped 10 grand in it my self
and she took it ..
PAINKI6669
never used one from him hmm
ZANDOR1
>yea they dont want to say shit about keying up
>grin..hope to have the old 32 girls back up and going
>racist man i dont understand it not my fault there lamers
You sound like a skullcracka man from new jersey!!!
10-7
I go one better than Skullcraka's , 100% Davemade Mobile
ZANDOR1 wrote in message <19980227131...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
nq9220700-Ostrowski
PAINKI6669 wrote:
>
> hmm why do people add thinks do my post ,wonder how they did that hmm..some
> stuff i never said and make look stupid but anyrate
> ill catch there ass ..man gravity is a field ..magnetic field
> i did not take all that shit in collage to get on here and some dumbass hick
> tell me that he knows shit hahahaha ..i was saying what is true in lamens terms
> becouse all people who read these posts are not the most intelligent life on
> this planet ..thats why i wrote the way i did
> .im a phyics major and a mathamatics major ..so tellme your eqations on the
> idea .of such .o and the 108 inches is a fact read arrl ..
> take frequency and devide it by a certain number ..read the arrl book.
> i rather people learn on there own .and me just push in a certain direction..no
> one said anything about air coil antennas ..and they dont talk on 6
> ..hahahaha...defantly and alternative to country folk cb.
> which sucks..they dont know shit on most stations..
> channel 6 is the big boys ..an yea there brothers but there my fellow brothers
> ..and yea im white but what does that have to do with me cutting your ass
> off..which i do . dam racist pigs , you can t talk with them so you hate them
> .not my falt you get cut off .and asking for a break is out of the question
> .probly a dam driver ..
> anyway im sure all the racist will reply ..so kiss my ass hehehehehe
Bump! Bump!
#12
PAINKI6669
Well you know how it is man..you got to be the big man ..
and thats what i am ..i cruise up into baton rouge and im like a
shark with a bunch of fish..grin.."nobody talks and nobody gets hurt"
i do that to thous on that local channel(38)they dontknow much about the
bowl.other than they cant hang ...hehehe..they needed somebody to restore order
to the radio,
and i dam well did not mind bumpin it down on a few cracker heads
and make them sound like fools ..if they would just not hold dead keys
on the locals i would not have to ..i guess im like the guy how gets rid of
the trouble for thous people ..and hey who can beat keying up with just my
driver and talking on baton rouge on that channel..grin..that channel is so
weak down here..i live 20 miles away and i cut off..
i cant help but laugh sometimes ..dam cracker heads dont like getting cut off
by my mobile 20 miles away..anyways laterz man
grin
şżş) PäěŃK죣ęR
anyway man who knows
PAINKI6669
you know how we kick it
bowl style in your face!!!!!
::waving::
from all the good time gang from the boyou country
şżş) PäěŃK죣ęR
Mike Volz
But in your physics classes you should have learned that the common 468/f in
MHz is just a guideline as to what length to begin with for a half
wavelength dipole...still many need to be trimmed to resonance depending on
how they're mounted.
Capactive and inductive effects in a mobile situation due to the 'odd' (?)
groundplane will change the length from that which the 468 formula will
give...
Mike
PAINKI6669 wrote in message
<19980227033...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
tn...@muck.net
On 22 Feb 1998 13:42:30 GMT, paink...@aol.com (PAINKI6669) wrote:
>reason 1 everything loses heat ..phyics º¿º)
>
>reason 2 with a air coil you will get gain becouse of the magnetic field
>created...physics º¿º)..exampile.
>put dc current thru a a wire rapped around a pencil
>tada you have made a magnet..
>
>reason 3 the 50 ohm load needed can be made witha coil
>
>reason 4 magnetic fields are radiation ..all taransmitts are radation..they are
>both waves ..you can manipulate radio waves just like gravity ..becouse gravity
>is a magnetic field..( reasons hehehe)
>a double air coil transmitts flat side as well..becouse
>of the the rolled coil for the load increasing effeciantcy
>of radiation out put.(think of moon rakers on a base station shooting flat side
>and vertical at the same time..sort of the same effect..easier to cut somebody
>off ..grin.(shoot trying to explin this stuff is ruff)
>you can expect 4 to five dp gain seen
>..really its an increase in effeciatncy ..you can never
>gain anything ..so when you look down at your meter
>..just becouse it says 10 watts is not what is coming
>out the antenna.swrs negotiable 1-0.1 ..
>no reflective.etc...
I knew there was am reason I didn't use A.M. anymore. It's some
sort of language barrier. Perhaps Cee-Bonics??
Ed Colebaugh
PAINKI6669
dude fuck a 102-108 crap
its junk
NEXT!!!!!!!
PAINKI6669
o well
RandyC2800
>dude fuck a 102-108 crap
>its junk
>
>NEXT!!!!!!!
>
>from all the good time gang from the boyou country
>şżş) PäěŃK죣ęR
>
>
Straight from the technician and enlish major's mouth. I'm sure he'd recommend
one of those silly looking things you see on top of all the Chevy Suburbans
that are broken in half. You know, the type with the one or two coils....and
the wife went through the drive through at Jack in the Box while he was at
work!
See Ya, Randy
Gunsmoke
Your right they are big and bulky,but still its the only antenna that has no
losts
and is a true 1/4 wave , remember one thing height is everthing..........
PAINKI6669 wrote in message
<19980301092...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
PAINKI6669
man im not putting no dam 102 crap on the mobile
dan van is already to tall hehehe
Steve Zinski
On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:40:15 -0800, windsong wrote:
> What A good laugh I had reading your idiot report and my friend you are
> really a good idiot and you need to learn some radio wave theory and how
> radio waves work and then you will learn why it has to be a 102 and the
> spring has no effect on transmission or SWR and try it it don't matter
> so better learn now before all of us big boys on all the channels squish
> you like a bug what a idiot children band (CB)user anyway
Instead of flaming why not try teaching?
I would like to know the difference between a 102" whip and a 108" whip.
My best guess would have been the presence of a spring, but claim this is
not the case. Another guess would have been that the 102" whip was tuned
for 11-meters whereas the 108" is tuned for 10-meters. I'm probably wrong
there as well.
What's the REAL reason?
--Steve
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Professor
Yes, the reason that bicker instead of teach... easy, they don't know
anything and therefor cannot teach.
As for your whip question... the 102" is the official 1/4 wave whip for 11
meters. The 108" is a figure with the spring, which incidentally is not
necessary for operation of to achieve a good match. The spring is only for
convenience when bending the whip over for garaging...
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Steve Zinski wrote in message ...
Philip de Cadenet
You deffinately got some of this arse about face.
>>reason 1 everything loses heat ..phyics º¿º)
>>reason 2 with a air coil you will get gain becouse of the magnetic field
>>created...physics º¿º)..exampile.
>>put dc current thru a a wire rapped around a pencil
>>tada you have made a magnet..
>>
>>reason 3 the 50 ohm load needed can be made witha coil
transformer.
>>reason 4 magnetic fields are radiation ..all taransmitts are radation..they are
>>both waves ..you can manipulate radio waves just like gravity ..becouse gravity
>>is a magnetic field..( reasons hehehe)
>
>>a double air coil transmitts flat side as well..becouse
personal experience with large coil CB anrtennas is that computer
modelling has yet to be introduced to the designers and builder of
these. They would find out that in the interest of crazy amounts of
bandwidth that have low Q coils making them both inefficient and as a rx
antenna, deaf!
Without getting the text books out from memory, the optimum coil/
antenna design would be centre loaded, with the coil located between 1/2
and 2/3'rds up the mast of and open wound design, over square coil form,
with coil spacing around .9 of the diameter of the wire/tubing between
the turns.
Bottom line at the shootouts IMHO, if you're running with a loaded
antenna, rather than your 102/108"'er you want to model the coil for a
minimum of Q of 400 and go for narrow nand design, not the 3/4/5Mhz
bandwidth that some of the commercially available antennas claim.
As far as impedance matching a couple of hundred pf down on 11m seems to
be about right, but I could be wrong.
>>of the the rolled coil for the load increasing effeciantcy
>>of radiation out put.(think of moon rakers on a base station shooting flat side
>>and vertical at the same time..sort of the same effect..easier to cut somebody
>>off ..grin.(shoot trying to explin this stuff is ruff)
>>you can expect 4 to five dp gain seen
>
>>..really its an increase in effeciatncy ..you can never
>>gain anything ..so when you look down at your meter
>>..just becouse it says 10 watts is not what is coming
>>out the antenna.swrs negotiable 1-0.1 ..
>>no reflective.etc...
>I knew there was am reason I didn't use A.M. anymore. It's some
>sort of language barrier. Perhaps Cee-Bonics??
Phil / UK
Gunsmoke
Then you woke up................... have a nice day......................
PAINKI6669 wrote in message
<19980303010...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>hmm then teach me ..
>all i hear is what people say .
>my schooling is about thinks that donot coreaspond exactly to
>cb comunication.or any at that rate ..but i have one
>i have a few questions then.
>why is it is i go from a 102 to a double coil my ears come up
>and swr have remand the same .(flat.. well 1 watt reflecteded on a bird)
>on a 5 watt slug)they get 2 more pounds on me .also my ears go up 4
numbers.(i
>cant remember the db rating for each number.i remmbered that after the post
and
>smaked myself in the head for putting 4db gain)
>SETUP..on top of my van.. to the rear.. mounting is the same for the
>both.hardmont to the roof..so you tell me
>hmm you guys wondering now
>
>::waving::
>from all the good time gang from the bayou country
>şżş) PäěŃK죣ęR
>
PAINKI6669
RandyC2800
><HTML><PRE><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">hmm then teach me ..
It's your imagination at work, not the antenna!
See Ya, Randy
Philip de Cadenet
Hi Pain,
>hmm then teach me ..
>all i hear is what people say .
>my schooling is about thinks that donot coreaspond exactly to
>cb comunication.or any at that rate ..but i have one
>i have a few questions then.
>why is it is i go from a 102 to a double coil my ears come up
high 'Q' with a corresponding narrower than normal bandwidth and a nice
hike in performance. This is my guesstimation, no more than that. I have
always thought that there's normally no substitute for size, for
example, taller antenna has more surface/capture area for better ears,
but ocassionally I'm proved wrong. On my antenna modelling software I
can create a condition where a short 'loaded' vertical produces a
stronger lobe at a certain angle than a full size quarterwave and
fortunately it's at a beneficial 'low' angle.
For this reason I'm inclined to agree with some of Sean's thoughts on a
5/8 CB loaded antenna outperforming a 1/4 wave. Theoretically this is
possible. Personally I'm just to busy on other ant projects to play
games down on 27Mhz, but it's on my list of things to do.
>and swr have remand the same .(flat.. well 1 watt reflecteded on a bird)
>on a 5 watt slug)
>they get 2 more pounds on me .also my ears go up 4 numbers.
>(i
>cant remember the db rating for each number.
deffinately not, then each unit would be equivalent to 6dB.
>i remmbered that after the post and
>smaked myself in the head for putting 4db gain)
>SETUP..on top of my van.. to the rear.. mounting is the same for the
>both.hardmont to the roof..so you tell me
offer a little directivity in the shootout, yes?
>
>hmm you guys wondering now
>
>::waving::
My comments above are just my humble opinion, I'm not into maths or
algorythm theory, I just get out there and do it.
Phil Unit 148/G4ZOW/M UK
Spwn162882
all of these antennas you are mentioning how much do they cost?
Boba Fett
"10-7" <boyg...@aol.com> wrote:
Then what is the best coil type of antenna for power and
performance???? Is davemade coil antenna better than 2 watts????
10-7
Boba, Coulnt really say I haven't tried the 2 watts I have tried daves they
work good but I will reserve opinion until I did try the 2 Watts like I said
they are well constructed , look nice but do looks perform? . I do know
davemade coils will handle 30kw
Boba Fett wrote in message <34ff5039.3752402@news>...
ICECOLDNYC
Don't think I really know which coil antenna is best for the mobile but, a
straight 9 foot pole is the best for keying down or just plain getting out.
Unless you can get a 1/2 wave antenna......
10-7
I have a half wave and it is Killer The "rod of God" and its only by
Davemade
ICECOLDNYC wrote in message
<19980309041...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
PAINKI6669
send me the stuff on the god of rod
10-7 wrote
>I have a half wave and it is Killer The "rod of God" and its only by<BR>
>Davemade<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>ICECOLDNYC wrote in message<BR>
><19980309041...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...<BR>
>>Don't think I really know which coil antenna is best for the mobile but,
>a<BR>
>>straight 9 foot pole is the best for keying down or just plain getting
>out.<BR>
>>Unless you can get a 1/2 wave antenna......
::waving::
from all the good time gang from the bayou country
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dont bump it down list :
#1 toofine79
#2 RDavis
Arthur Howard
Get a book ,learn some antenna theory.All this crap talk about
coils,sheesh!Back to basic eletronics 101.A coil is a transformer,they
lose some power due to heating(no matter how small the amount it is a
loss)and also have current loops that cause more loss
I dont care what anybody says you cant beat a whip and theory and
pratice proves it.If you run REAL heat then you go to 1/2"copper
tubeing.
Oh thats right ,you wont be able to impress all the women in the hood
with your 12 pound,6"dia.,2 foot high shiney coil but you will have a
signal
drg...@ziplink.net
On Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:38:53 -0500, Arthur Howard <mtn...@ncia.net>
wrote:
Well, its hard to beat a 102-108 inch whip. The FatCat, Penetrator,
or Wilson is a damned good compromise though. The big thing that
kills the quarterwave whip on the car is its obtrusiveness and size.
In order to get a good pattern you gotta put it on top of the car-
then the thing gets destroyed by all the stuff you start hitting with
it. When you put the quarterwave on the bumper or on a side of a car
you get some directivity.. Then there is the swinging of the whip
itself.
-Mike
Bernard Cormier
In article <352e2f25...@news.newsguy.com>, drg...@ziplink.net says...
you are closer to the ground it shifts the take off angle higher in the air.
On the program NEC4WIN it showed that for every foot of height you give it it
lowers the angle one degree lower to the horizon. In other words the antenna
on the roof of a van could have a tack off angle of about 25 degrees and on
the bumper it could be about 30 degrees. Five degrees or so may not seem like
much but it is enough that a Wilson 1000 on the roof could outperform a 102'
whip on the bumper.
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Bernard Cormier (Starman)
rooster
again. apples and oranges.