CB killing motor
Stephen L. Gary
radio dead keys at 7 watts and at idle the engine sputters and if I turn on
the linear 175 watts the motor dies. I have replaced everything I can think
of . The jeep recently went D.O.A. and I replaced the coil, the coil sensor
and the ECU. The computer ended up being bad. Now am I at risk of burning
out the computer again? or is it just interfering with its function? Is
there a fix for this?
Jerry Bransford
people run 175 watts on their CB. Get a ham license if you want to run
that kind of power legally. And OF COURSE it's going to cause
problems... I'm sure it's splattering harmonics and you name it over a
huge width of the band.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL KC6TAY
The Zen Hotdog... make me one with everything!
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2-IR-082 Tim
>
>I have an 87 jeep wrangler with a C.B. installed and every time I key up the
>radio dead keys at 7 watts and at idle the engine sputters and if I turn on
>the linear 175 watts the motor dies. I have replaced everything I can think
>of . The jeep recently went D.O.A. and I replaced the coil, the coil sensor
>and the ECU. The computer ended up being bad. Now am I at risk of burning
>out the computer again? or is it just interfering with its function? Is
>there a fix for this?
>
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Best Wishes And Good DX,
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attitudes but no substance like you and your post? its always so funny when
people say go get a ham liscense and in the same sentence degrade the person or
there equipment. way to be a ambassador for ham radio.
>
>Run a legal power (4 watts) CB and you should be fine. I can't believe
>people run 175 watts on their CB. Get a ham license if you want to run
>that kind of power legally. And OF COURSE it's going to cause
>problems... I'm sure it's splattering harmonics and you name it over a
>huge width of the band.
>
>Jerry
>
>"Stephen L. Gary" wrote:
>>
>> I have an 87 jeep wrangler with a C.B. installed and every time I key up
>the
>> radio dead keys at 7 watts and at idle the engine sputters and if I turn on
>> the linear 175 watts the motor dies. I have replaced everything I can think
>> of . The jeep recently went D.O.A. and I replaced the coil, the coil sensor
>> and the ECU. The computer ended up being bad. Now am I at risk of burning
>> out the computer again? or is it just interfering with its function? Is
>> there a fix for this?
>
>--
>Jerry Bransford
>PP-ASEL KC6TAY
>The Zen Hotdog... make me one with everything!
>Geezer Jeep: http://www.jjournal.net/jeep/gallery/JBransfordsTJ/
>
>
>
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>
tn...@mucks.net
>and why would he want to get a ham liscense?
I can answer for him. When you can a Ham license your shit
won't stink.
tn...@mucks.net
>On 29 May 2000 23:29:38 GMT, tim...@aol.common (2-IR-082 Tim) wrote:
>
>>and why would he want to get a ham liscense?
Correction below
> I can answer for him. When you get a Ham license your shit
Killrwatt
to yourself! god, clean up your own backyard before you bitch about the
neighbors!!! I don't even bother with The HF CLOWNS, i would rather be on
cb..... Maybe when The HAM BANDS get cleaned up i'll start using that
piece of paper i worked so hard to earn, (theory was a breeze) 20 Words a
minute was tough! All that work to talk with mostly STUFFED SHIRTS! I
seem to remember another SS in the past who attempted to push there opinions
and laws on other folks! And no not all Amateurs are "SS" about 50/50
KW
Jerry Bransford <jer...@home.com> wrote in message
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Professor
operation...
"Stephen L. Gary" <ikilled...@home.com> wrote in message
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w5lz
Stephen,
Several things to try;
1. Run power leads to the battery, not the ignition switch.
2. Ground or shield the computer. (No idea where it's at,
so use your own judgement about grounding/shielding)
3. Ground radio to chasis.
4. Mount antenna so it is grounded.
5. Run all cables as far from the computer, and ignition
wiring as possible.
If none of that works, I've got this '51 Ford pickup
that is not affeected by RF....
'Doc
Steve Hanis
I agree that's its probably not possible but I found the following at:
http://www.mustangworld.com/depart/qna.htm
"I have a CB radio with a 120 watt linear amplifier, can this damage my ECC
computer ?
Yes it could. If you "key up" with full power on your CB & linear (100w or
more), the RF "may" damage your ecc computer. To reduce the chances of this
happening, wrap the ecc in tin foil or other RF shielding. Run the CB radio
cables as far away from the computer as possible. In the past we damaged 2
ecc computers accidentally by not shielding them"
"Professor" <bgri...@kwom.com> wrote in message
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rg...@kc.rr.com
of CB's with linears behind there CB's do. Some of us ARE Ham radio
operators..me included..seeing BS like this from a fellow "ham" shames me to
no end!!!
Oh yea I get it...he gets his HOLY Ham ticket and then he runs a 175 amp on
10 mtrs and poof no problems just because he is legal...Yea right!!!! Why
don't you become a "Elmer" for the guy? Then he is going to think...hey this
guys pretty smart..I wonder why he knows so much..maybe there is something to
this ham thing...If all he is see's are dickheads like you then who could
blame him for not wanting to be a part of Ham radio??
Sorry gang...but BS like this PISSES me off to no end. One of the reason I am
a non-active Ham is because I do not agree with 80% of the Ham radio operators
out there today. Ticket is still good but put on the shelf for now!!!
PEACE
Ron
629 Kansas City Mobile LSB
PM57
2 RCI 1257
In article <3932F94D...@home.com>, jer...@home.com wrote:
>Run a legal power (4 watts) CB and you should be fine. I can't believe
>people run 175 watts on their CB. Get a ham license if you want to run
>that kind of power legally. And OF COURSE it's going to cause
>problems... I'm sure it's splattering harmonics and you name it over a
>huge width of the band.
>
>Jerry
>
>"Stephen L. Gary" wrote:
>>
Brian Hansen
running more than 4W, a stuck up HAM has to stick his nose in it and insult
CBers. It then results in an argument with numerous posts. It might help
if you respond to someone's request for help instead of senseless bitching!
Brian Hansen
"Stephen L. Gary" <ikilled...@home.com> wrote in message
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Stephen L. Gary
so was the amp. The Ham guy was right though at 4 watts I would not have any
problem . I thought the amp may help if way out in the woods and can't get a
cell phone to work, but if it will run the risk of killing the motor it is
not worth it. I did not want to start a feud between hams and c.b.ers
Edd
do strange things. I used to be able to make my VCR turn on, rewind and
eject by keying up and that was with 4 watts on the FM UK channels!!!
Needless to say my VSWR was naff. Just an idea!!
73's
Stephen L. Gary <ikilled...@home.com> wrote in message
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Killrwatt
if you find me or any other particular individual senseless use your filter
settings otherwise live with it......
KW
Brian Hansen <stom...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> I'm sick of seein this. Every time someone posts for help and says they
are
> running more than 4W, a stuck up HAM has to stick his nose in it and
insult
> CBers. It then results in an argument with numerous posts. It might help
> if you respond to someone's request for help instead of senseless
bitching!
>
> Brian Hansen
>
>
>
-=BOO<>BOO=-
band?
> people run 175 watts on their CB. Get a ham license if you want to run
> that kind of power legally. And OF COURSE it's going to cause
> problems... I'm sure it's splattering harmonics and you name it over a
> huge width of the band.
>
> Jerry
>
> "Stephen L. Gary" wrote:
> >
the
> > radio dead keys at 7 watts and at idle the engine sputters and if I turn
on
> > the linear 175 watts the motor dies. I have replaced everything I can
think
> > of . The jeep recently went D.O.A. and I replaced the coil, the coil
sensor
> > and the ECU. The computer ended up being bad. Now am I at risk of
burning
> > out the computer again? or is it just interfering with its function? Is
> > there a fix for this?
>
Pontiac787
proper output. If not the car will be runing of the battery, therefore the
battery will be low. Keying the linear will suck the juice from the cars
ignition system that it needs to keep it running. Simple test to check the
altenator, start the car then disconnect the battery. There should be no
difference in idle is the altenator is good.
number 22 N.C. IL.
out at least 90 amps . i am guessing your alternator right now puts out about
60 . and they usually put an alternator in a car thats 10 amps more than whats
needed to run 100% of everything in the vehical .
they do sell rebuild kits that say they do 150 amps , but most are rated at 150
amps at running speed not idle , at idle most rebuilt alternators are putting
out less that stock .
------------------------
#22 north central illinois mobile
w5lz
Stephen,
don't worry about the 'feud' thing, some people are just
looking for an excuse...
'Doc
RollingRadios
1.Poor grounding of the antenna
2.High swr of antenna
3.Bad coax to antenna
4.High swr between radio and amp
5.Too small wire feeding amp
6.Not feeding amp from battery
7.Insufficient ground to amp
8.Insufficient ground from battery to frame
9.Poor grount to computer module
RollingRadios
this isn't a battery or alternator problem. He's not running a kw box, but a
175w which won't pull as much as his high beam headlights. That won't cut the
car off.
rg...@kc.rr.com
Maveric
Hey don't pay any attention to some of these immature children. You
have a legitimate post, Unfortunately, some people just seem to forget the
reasons behind this newsgroup and that was to help each other enjoy using CB
Radio and Ham Radio, to meet new people and to learn from each other. While
neither I or anyone else will apologize for these pathetic people, I hope
you were able to look beyond all the B.S. and get some help with your
problem. Just remember, check out your whole set up from top to bottom,
look into shielding for the computer.
Stephen L. Gary <ikilled...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the support guys. The radio is wired straight to the battery
and
> so was the amp. The Ham guy was right though at 4 watts I would not have
any
> problem . I thought the amp may help if way out in the woods and can't get
a
> cell phone to work, but if it will run the risk of killing the motor it is
> not worth it. I did not want to start a feud between hams and c.b.ers
> "Stephen L. Gary" <ikilled...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:3uCY4.74682$55.5...@news1.sttls1.wa.home.com...
Killrwatt
kc's away!! Just because its a cber does not guarantee that its going to be
a splattering and full of harmonics! lets see 11 meters 27.185, 200 watts
27.185 is closest LEGAL neighbor.... then we move to 3.913 and we have some
idiot running his pair of 8877's at 3500 watts out talking to his neighbor
while a net is being held 2kc's away on 3.915!! now I understand that most
cbs are run with way to much audio and probably most of them are over
driven, However no matter how much you express your opinion and gripe about
200 watts those amps and MUCH LARGER amps are here to stay! Do you run
around 75 whining about good'ol'boys running 3, 4, 5 thousand watts and
more? Your "SS" attitude make no difference, your voice goes mostly
unheard! My biggest gripe is that on a 1 for 1 basis the amateur bands are
much more immature than the 11 meter band! i can tune around most any
weekend and find a mature?? Hams going at it tooth and nail! Deny the
accuracy of my statements!
KW
Jerry Bransford <jer...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Few people who know radios will agree that running 175 watts out of a CB
> is anything but illegal and a nuisance to legitimate CBers. CB channels
> are closely spaced and the use of too much power will cause interchannel
> interference. Call someone immature because they jump on someone doing
> something grossly (175 watts vs 4 watts) illegal and causes serious and
> major interference to legal users of CB? Don't hand me that crap...
> it's immature people who don't care about what their illegal linear amps
> do (such as splattering, harmonics, splattering the signal across
> multiple CB channels) to legitimate users. I'm a long-term CB user and
> a ham... consideration of others is being mature, not caring if you run
> illegal power and interference with others is not. To not criticize
> something that harms *legitimate* and legal users would be taking the
> easy way out.
>
> Jerry
number 22 N.C. IL.
10. TO SMALL OF ALTERNATOR . NOT ENOUGH AMPS
RollingRadios
>10. TO SMALL OF ALTERNATOR . NOT ENOUGH AMPS
I GUARANTEE that is not the problem with a 175w amp
Jerry Bransford
Stephen L. Gary
amps inside the unit and I had a 20 amp fuse at the battery also. I could
run all my accessories, fog lights, heater, stereo, high beams, break lights
and not even a sputter. When I idled with nothing on and keyed up barefoot
the tach would jump and engine sputtered, with the amp on it died.
I had good SWR at the radio 1.2 to one with maybe too short a patch cord to
the amp of only 18" but SWR at that point checked out close to the same. I
have also tried with a 3 foot cord with no difference.
I have a solid ground to the frame but did not try straight to negative side
of the battery.
I was using a heavier gauge wire than was supplied with the amp.
It was a HD input Cobra 250 amp that should take 4 to 8 watts input.
The computer module bolts to the front fender with 3 separate screws. I did
not check ground there.
The antenna is a 102" steel whip mounted to the right rear quarter panel on
the back door stop.
The coax is old
Some people have suggested shielding the ECU that may be the answer but with
what?lead sandwiched between foil? I guess I'll never know with the amp
because I dumped it but if it works by fixing the barefoot sputter I let you
all know.It may be of use to someone someday.
RollingRadios
>the tach would jump and engine sputtered, with the amp on it died.
>of the battery.
of battery, 8ga ground from amp chassis to frame, ground radio bracket.
>The computer module bolts to the front fender with 3 separate screws. I did
>not check ground there.
First try an 8ga ground from ecu to frame, you can get sheets of heavy foil and
cover the ecu and ground that too.
>The antenna is a 102" steel whip mounted to the right rear quarter panel on
>the back door stop.
>The coax is old
New mini 8 (RG8x) coax, ground the ball mount w/ 8ga wire to frame.
Make sure all conections are bare metal, then traet to prevent rust or
oxidation.
You should be in business.
JarryLaw
thought the amp may help if way out in the woods and can't get a cell phone to
work, but if it will run the risk of killing the motor it is not worth it. >>
Steve, good for you being reluctant to join the "big power, more, more, more"
crowd. This gang will have you thinking that you need to run 50,000 watts on
CB. Don't listen.
DougB
down in Mexico...they're a major PITA. There's a reason they're not
legal...they blast away anything on the band, and can make normal
communications on a frequency difficult.
My suggestion is to loose the amp, and operate the CB in accordance w/ FCC
rules and regs.
Doug
"Maveric" <maver...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Stephen,
>
> Hey don't pay any attention to some of these immature children. You
> have a legitimate post, Unfortunately, some people just seem to forget the
> reasons behind this newsgroup and that was to help each other enjoy using
CB
> Radio and Ham Radio, to meet new people and to learn from each other.
While
> neither I or anyone else will apologize for these pathetic people, I hope
> you were able to look beyond all the B.S. and get some help with your
> problem. Just remember, check out your whole set up from top to bottom,
> look into shielding for the computer.
> Stephen L. Gary <ikilled...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:q_HY4.75118$55.6...@news1.sttls1.wa.home.com...
> > Thanks for the support guys. The radio is wired straight to the battery
> and
> > so was the amp. The Ham guy was right though at 4 watts I would not have
> any
> > problem . I thought the amp may help if way out in the woods and can't
get
> a
> > cell phone to work, but if it will run the risk of killing the motor it
is
> > not worth it. I did not want to start a feud between hams and c.b.ers
w5lz
Killrwatt,
Basically all your saying is that people operate illegally
on both the CB and the ham bands. Nothing new there, and 'all'
people on the CB band don't operate illegally, just as the same
thing is true on the ham bands.
I agree, just because it's a CB amplifier doesn't necessarily
mean it's going to be 'dirty'. But, you have to admit that a
great many of them are. Thats usually through design of the
amplifier. The same thing is true of many amplifiers on the ham
bands. Thats usually because the operator doesn't know how to
run the amplifier. Different reasons, same results.
About the 3.913 and 3.915 thing. Thats just too close. The
minimum seperation is 3 Khz on SSB. Who is at fault depends on
who was there first. I don't mean 20 years ago, but today. If
the 3.913 bunch was there first, then the 'NCS' (net control
station) is in the wrong. If '15 was there first, then '13 was
in the wrong. Simple, spelled out in the rules. A real 'no brainer'.
I really don't see the difference in the two, CB, or ham. In both
instances, CB/ham, they're breaking the rules. If I had to 'point'
a finger, I'd have to 'point' at both. You know using an amplifier
on the CB band is against the rules, I know it, everybody else
knows it. Operating too close to another station on the ham bands
is wrong, you know it, I know it, they know it. People always
'push' a little bit more than what's allowed. Neither group can
point a finger at the other.
'Doc
Killrwatt
an example and in reality reflect no particular persons.. I agree
totally! My beef is all the self appointed enforcement agents! Stupid
responses pointing out this or that is not legal are neither usefull or
wanted! And after all this is a CB newsgroup, if someone asks if a
specific piece of gear is legal, fine point it out! If they ask a question
about why an illegal amplifier is causing interference or whatever ANSWER
THE QUESTION! Why bother whining about the fact that they are using the
amp? 99.9 percent of the time the impotent ravings of the SS are ignored!
My point is why try to clean up the city without starting in your backyard!
All I would like to see is encouragement rather that criticism.
Kind words go much farther than brash ones....
w5lz <w5...@oio.net> wrote in message news:3935528B...@oio.net...
Scott (Unit 69)
answered a crosspost to rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys . Tim set the follow
ups to rec.radio.cb and Jerry never posts here.
Just thought I'd point that out...
--
Unit SIX-NINE Chesapeake Bay
Channel 28 AM / 36 LSB
Maveric
Get over yourself!! Your probably siting there running 1000 watts. Your
a putz. Get a life.
Jerry Bransford <jer...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Few people who know radios will agree that running 175 watts out of a CB
> is anything but illegal and a nuisance to legitimate CBers. CB channels
> are closely spaced and the use of too much power will cause interchannel
> interference. Call someone immature because they jump on someone doing
> something grossly (175 watts vs 4 watts) illegal and causes serious and
> major interference to legal users of CB? Don't hand me that crap...
> it's immature people who don't care about what their illegal linear amps
> do (such as splattering, harmonics, splattering the signal across
> multiple CB channels) to legitimate users. I'm a long-term CB user and
> a ham... consideration of others is being mature, not caring if you run
> illegal power and interference with others is not. To not criticize
> something that harms *legitimate* and legal users would be taking the
> easy way out.
>
> Jerry
>
> Maveric wrote:
> >
Maveric
Please don't associate everyone in the newsgroup together when you make a
statement like that. Not everyone thinks that way or feels that way.
Personally, I believe in using the amount of power necessary to be heard.
Not to step on everyone in a 5 mile radius. I run at 10 watts, I can talk
to most people around my area, and if there is someone too far away and I
have to talk to them, I drive my car closer to them. At 10 watts I am able
to get over the static in my area, talk to people within 2 miles (on a bad
day), my radio doesn't interfere with anyone else. So not everyone feels
that you have to run 50,000 watts on CB.
But I am sure that there "SOME" people who do.
JarryLaw <jarr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> <<The Ham guy was right though at 4 watts I would not have any problem . I
> thought the amp may help if way out in the woods and can't get a cell
phone to
> work, but if it will run the risk of killing the motor it is not worth it.
>>
>
w5lz
MC 10kW Jesus
I have run into similar situations and all were resolved with relocation
of the antenna and a VSWR adjustment.
MC
John Doe
take off the battery cable while the car is running. If the alt would put
out a power surge, the battery would not take it in. Instead it would go to
your electronic and possibly damage them. Also I would like to add. When you
take off the battery cable your alt will have to work harder because their
is no other power source. So if you have a small motor the alt will pull it
down. I bet the parts stores likes you if you replace your alt because it
pulls down the motor. I will agree with you as far as drawing more power the
you can generate killing the motor. I dont think its the case here though.
Just my two cents worth.
"Pontiac787" <ponti...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Hamm4fun
My neighbor had a problem like this with his Jeep. He had the antenna mounted
on the rollbar. He moved the antenna to a ball mount mounted on the side and
the problem went away. I think the bar was a poor counterpoise for the antenna
and was causing the shield to radiate.
M1nn0w
You didn't .. the other idiot did. Some folk just get off
that way.
M1nn0w (Licensed since 1977)
Stephen L. Gary wrote in message ...
steve
175 watts shouldn't make your engine sputter much less kill your computer.i
am running 150 in my 81 vw and it causes no problems with either my
computer or my charging system.i had 600 watts in my neon and all that did
was kill my alternator after 8 months or so.take your alternator to a parts
store that has a tester and get it checked.could also be your voltage
regulator(electrical spikes would probably explain the dead computer
too.)or even too small of a battery.
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