on the legality of "free-banding" issue , and the "bigger picture"
Kenneth Vaughan
illegal.
ill say it agian....free banding is illegal. now to the part that the antis
dont recognise,or refuse to recognise. the feds could, if they were so
inclined....rid the air waves of linears,export radios etc. the purveyors
of these products are on the internet 24-7-365!!! they are openly selling 11
meter linears,freeband radios etc,......and openly offer
conversions/modifications etc that are expressly forbidden by fcc rules.
....... now isnt this a strange situation,kinda like the crack house on the
corner.....that the local police know is there.....but it never gets busted.
now my friends......lets pause to consider why this is the case......
i submit that the truth of the situation is complex,and cannot merely be
explained upon the basis of lack of funding.....i mean that in most cases
the mere mailing of a "cease and desist" letter threatening a $10,000.00
fine would be sufficient to stop the sales of these items by most
businesses. i know it would me...if i were involved in the sale of these
items. you may ask "ok smart guy,whats the real reason these things arent
being done?" well lets consider......the electronics business is a huge
concern. billions of dollars are spent upon this equipment world
wide.(yes,i said billions) how do i know this? i talk to free band radio
operators from all over the world. canada,england,austrailia,south
america,central america.....quite a market ehh??.........now who does this
money support??? it supports our friends in weaker regimes,with weaker
economies.
1) SOUTH KOREA
2)THE PHILIPENES
3)TAIWAN
4)MALAYSIA
these are just to name a few. these regimes(our friends) need this money to
help their economies. if the fcc eliminated the supply,and the end user of
these products....our "friends" would suffer.
so whats the up-shot of all this?? why its the oldest political game in
the world.
its the same game our officials play with the drug trade. make token
busts,and deplore the illegality of the trades.....while at the same time
allowing enough traffic to continue to support our friends....im sorry if
the truth hurts...but there it is.....so all you guys worried that the fcc
is gonna "shut you and your little station down"...well mabey a token 2-3 of
you a year. but that leaves the rest of us to our own devices. have
fun,dont get too ridiculous with the wattage,stay out of 10 meters....and
youll likely never have a problem. the key is....dont "be" a
problem......and you wont have any problems!!!!
the rest of you can argue the legalities till your all blue in the
face.....but deep down.....you know what im saying is true.
now,people like me that will risk pointing this out...are most likely going
to get busted for sure....cause im an "irritant" to the wrong people.....but
you know.....i really enjoy being a pain in the ass. elpasogunslinger
GMpartsguy
government does it, doesn't make it legal !"... Happy Halloween !
P.S. I'm just kidding Ken ;-)
Kenneth Vaughan
elpasogunslinger (happy halloween)
GMpartsguy <kbl...@home.com> wrote in message
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Leland C. Scott
The problem with export radios is they are perfectly legal for Hams to own and operate on the Ham bands. I don't think it's really a money issue. Right now there is nothing illegal about anyone owning one of these rigs, or selling them that I know about at the moment. The FCC however takes a different view with amplifiers, so if a CBer has an amplifier they assume it was used even if they never saw it connected. The legality part comes in to play when the radio is operated, either on it's intended Ham bands, by a duly licensed Ham, or illegally outside of those bands by anyone.
It may eventually get to the point where the buyer must produce a valid license to get the radio. I know several Ham Radio mail order outlets that routinely ask for a callsign at least when buying a rig, and I have been to several Ham Radio swaps where it is a POSTED POLICY that NO RADIO TRANSMITTERS will be awarded as a prize to anyone unless they are licensed. The upcoming swap in Fort Wayne IN this November is one of those with such a policy. I have also seen some upset CBers stomp off at some Hamfests when they tried to buy a used HF rig, where the seller asked to see either their license, and the FCC does provide a wallet size one with every full size one, or a valid callsign, and they couldn't produce either one.
So by requiring a license to buy a rig would help choke off the flow of the export rig for illegal use on 11m while still making it relatively easy for legally licensed users to buy them. I doubt many Hams would take a risk selling a rig to an unlicensed person if the result would be loss of their own license too, so the dealing in used radios would soon dry up as well. Normal businesses would have even more to loose. Also requiring a license gets rid of the nonsense where somebody can claim they got the radio for somebody else as a "gift", and they have no plans to use it themselves.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL Member
NCI Member
--
"It is difficult to make a man miserable while
he feels worthy of himself and claims
kindred to the great God who made
him."
Abraham Lincoln
"Kenneth Vaughan" <kenneth...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:nqJD7.90525$WW.50...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Sparky
If you are suggesting the people ignore the law to help the economies
of third-world countries, that's lame.
I agree that the FCC enforcement lately has been equally lame, but
I also understand that they are in the middle of cleaning up that
LPFM fiasco, as well as several other more important issues. Also
consider that the majority of the RF spectrum is allocated for uses
other than radio communication, and that the FCC is somewhat under-
funded for widespread enforcement efforts. So anyone that chooses
to ignore the laws is really just playing Russian Roulette with the
FCC -- if you play long enough, the odds will catch up to you.
I am also aware, through inside information, that enforcement efforts
are going to be stepped up in the wake of the WTC attacks, in an
effort to reduce or eliminate the possibility that terrorists are
using radio to communicate locally and globally. Although they are
looking for terrorists, they will no doubt take the opportunity to
reduce the number of 'casual' pirates in order to make the task easier.
Since this effort also involves treaties with other governments, we
can expect an increase in enforcement worldwide. After the terrorist
threat has been 'removed', don't expect the FCC to slack up on the
enforcement issue again.
Twistedhed
The problem with export radios is they are perfectly legal for Hams to
own and operate on the Ham bands. I don't think it's really a money
"Thus, aptly demonstrating once again you haven't a clue."
73's,
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL member
NCI member
Twistedhed
If you are suggesting the people ignore the law to help the economies of
third-world countries, that's lame.
I agree that the FCC enforcement lately has been equally lame, but I
also understand that they are in the middle of cleaning up that LPFM
fiasco, as well as several other more important issues. Also consider
that the majority of the RF spectrum is allocated for uses other than
radio communication,
"Like spectrum auctions?"
and that the FCC is somewhat under- funded for widespread enforcement
efforts. So anyone that chooses to ignore the laws is really just
playing Russian Roulette with the FCC -- if you play long enough, the
odds will catch up to you.
"Not if there aren't any bullets in the gun."
I am also aware, through inside information,
"Heheh....I saw the poll, too....wouldn't exactly call it "inside
information."
that enforcement efforts are going to be stepped up in the wake of the
WTC attacks, in an effort to reduce or eliminate the possibility that
terrorists are using radio to communicate locally and globally.
Although they are looking for terrorists, they will no doubt take the
opportunity to reduce the number of 'casual' pirates in order to make
the task easier.
"You base this on what?"
Since this effort also involves treaties with other governments,
"The FCC is going to monitoring for terrorists? Where the hell did you
get that? The FCC is not military and any monitoring they may or may not
elect to do will be self-imposed and secondary in nature and not any
real significance to the military."
we can expect an increase in enforcement worldwide. After the terrorist
threat has been 'removed', don't expect the FCC to slack up on the
enforcement issue again.
"You said it yourself, the funds aren't there, so where is this imagined
stepped-up enforcement going to originate? Did your "inside information"
allow you knowledge of a sudden allocation of funds to be directed to
the FCC other than through Congressional allotments? Feel free to
enlighten us."
aaronvoobner
just your opinion and nothing to back up your wild claims.
-A-
"Twistedhed" <twist...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Aaron H. Voobner
database of all site licensees using frequencies from 26.000 to 28.000
MHz - the so-called 'freeband'. It clearly shows that these freqs are
not unused or abandoned. Every callsign can be looked up and verified.
Some sites use more two or more frequencies. Frequencies within the
Citizens Band were excluded from the list.
630 RADIO INCORPORATED KFZ941 Active RP Base
1590 BROADCASTING CORP KCF788 Active NH RP Base
A W SNOW COMMUNICATIONS INC WPGA753 Active CA IG Base
ABC HOLDING COMPANY INC BLQ515 Active CA LP Mobile
ABC INC BLP00633 Active NC LP Mobile
AK MEDIA GROUP INC KOG847 Active WA RP Base
ALABAMA EDUCATIONAL TELEVISION COMMISSIO KC5550 Active RP Mobile
ALBANY BROADCASTING CO INC KLZ891 Active NY RP Base
ALPHA BROADCASTING CORPORATION KIL314 Active SC RP Base
ALPHA TO OMEGA COMM DBA A T O COMM WPMW958 Active IG Mobile
AMERICAN BROADCASTING COMPANIES INC BLP01166 Active NY LP Mobile
AMERICAN CITIES BROADCASTING LP BLP01307 Active LP Mobile
AMERICAN GENERAL MEDIA CORP KS2053 Active NV RP Mobile
AMFM RADIO LICENSES LLC KFV996 Active AL RP Base
ANCHOR BROADCASTING COMPANY KQV452 Active OH RP Base
ANDERSON BROADCASTING CO KJI970 Active ND RP Base
ANDERSON WFBC TV LICENSEE INC KF6265 Active RP Mobile
ANN BROADCASTING CO KH5343 Active RP Mobile
ANNA BCG CO KF8443 Active RP Mobile
ANTELOPE BROADCASTING CO BLP00111 Active LP Mobile
APPALACHIAN BCG CORP KA4632 Active RP Mobile
AREAWIDE COMMUNICATIONS INC KSG693 Active WI RP Base
AROOSTOOK BROADCASTING CORP KA8526 Active RP Mobile
ARROW COMMUNICATIONS OF NY INC KJT467 Active NY RP Base
ASSOCIATED BROADCASTING CORPORATION KGZ552 Active SC RP Base
ATLANTIC TELECTG CORP KF3541 Active RP Mobile
BAR B BROADCASTING INC KLN688 Active TX RP Mobile
BASTROP MOTEL ENTERPRISES INC WXM387 Active IG Mobile
BATHYSPHERE BROADCASTING LIMITED PAR KQS283 Active CA RP Base
BAY STATE BCG CO KD9721 Active RP Mobile
BEARCOM LP WPKN776 Active IG Private Carrier Mobile Op
BEDFORD BROADCASTING CORPORATION KD9397 Active RP Mobile
BELLEVUE RADIO INC KL7861 Active RP Mobile
BEN HILL BCG CORP KF4997 Active RP Mobile
BENEDEK LICENSE CORPORATION BLP01193 Active CA LP Mobile
BI-STATES CO KC8970 Active RP Mobile
BIG CHIEF BROADCASTING CO OF FAYETTEVILL KK7971 Active RP Mobile
BIG CITY RADIO CHI LLC KJL325 Active VA RP Base
BIG SKY RADIO INC KW2574 Active RP Mobile
BIGGER, SCOTT WPMY658 Active ID IK Private Carrier (profit)
BLUE MOUNTAIN BROADCASTING COMPANY KLW702 Active RP Base
BOARD REGENTS OF UNIV OF WI SYSTEM KC7051 Active RP Mobile
BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF EASTERN MENNONTIE UNIV KTU817 Active RP Base
BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF S. ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY KJX505 Active IL RP
Base
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THE BOEING COMPANY KA73925 Active IG Mobile
BONNEVILLE INTERNATIONAL CORP KOH770 Active UT RP Base
BOOTH AMERICAN CO KC9304 Active RP Mobile
BOSTON UNIVERSITY COMMUNICATIONS INC BLP00835 Active MA LP Mobile
BOWLING PROPRIETORS ASSN OF AMERICA INC WPPD945 Active IG Mobile
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BROADCAST MANAGEMENT SERVICES INC BLP01271 Active LP Mobile
BROADCAST SPORTS INC WPOY273 Active IG Mobile
BROCHT, JAMES C KNFZ294 Active IG Mobile
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BROWNING SKIDMORE BROADCASTING INC KDF620 Active MO RP Base
BUCKLEY BROADCASTING CORPORATION KVY904 Active RP Base
BURLEY BROADCASTERS INC KF4641 Active RP Mobile
BURROUGHS, JOHN KGG421 Active NM RP Base
C 6 SCHOOL DIST WNND847 Active MO IG Base
CABLEVISION INDUSTRIES BLP01191 Active NY LP Mobile
CALIFORNIA LUTHERAN UNIVERSITY KSO244 Active MO RP Base
CANNAN COMMUNICATIONS, INC BPL00752 Active TX LP Mobile
CAPITOL BROADCASTING COMPANY, INC. BLP00895 Active NC LP Mobile
CAPITAL CITIES COMM INC KIL299 Active NC RP Base
CAPSTAR ROYALTY II CORPORATION BLP00831 Active LP Mobile
CAPSTAR TX LTD PARTNERSHIP KFZ719 Active WI RP Base
CARMINE, DAVID A KEH440 Active RP Base
CAROLINA MEDIA GROUP INC KIY848 Active NC RP Base
CARRIER CORPORATION KA96591 Active IG Mobile
CARTER PUBLICATIONS INC BLP00120 Active LP Mobile
CATAMOUNT BCING OF CHICO REDDING INC KMH347 Active CA RP Base
CATAMOUNT IDAHO LICENSE LLC KOH249 Active ID RP Base
CB RADIO INC KE5823 Active RP Mobile
CBC OF MARION COUNTY INC KE2981 Active RP Mobile
CBS BROADCASTING INC. KE5980 Active RP Mobile
CBS RADIO LICENSE INC KME532 Active CA RP Base
CEDAR RAPIDS TELEVISION CO KA2088 Active RP Mobile
CENTRAL BROADCASTING CORP KD3277 Active RP Mobile
CENTRAL CAL COMMUNICATIONS CORP KMH550 Active CA RP Base
CENTRAL COAST TELEVISION KDW673 Active CA RP Base
CENTRAL NY NEWS INC BLP00440 Active NY LP Mobile
CENTRAL VIRGINIA B/CG CO INC KC8767 Active RP Mobile
CHANCELLOR MEDIA/SHAMROCK B/C INC KGB258 Active PA RP Base
CHARLOTTESVILLE B/C CORP BLP00638 Active LP Mobile
CHASE BROADCASTING INC KIL707 Active GA RP Base
CHEROKEE BROADCASTING COMPANY KE6070 Active RP Mobile
CHRISTIAN BROADCASTERS INC KJ3348 Active RP Mobile
CHRISTOPHER BROTHERS PLUMBING & HEATING KRY459 Active IG Mobile
THE CHRONICLE PUBLISHING COMPANY BLP00963 Active NE LP Mobile
CITADEL BROADCASTING COMPANY KCI428 Active ME RP Base
CITICASTERS CO KMK429 Active RP Base
CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT OF WHITE PLAINS WZM464 Active NY IG Base
CIVIC LICENSE HOLDING CO INC KKZ471 Active TX RP Base
CLAY BROADCASTING CORPORATION BLP00549 Active NC LP Mobile
CLAYTON VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL KP2135 Active RP Mobile
CLEAR CALL COMMUNICATIONS WPPH286 Active IG Mobile
CLEAR CHANNEL BROADCASTING LICENSES KE9144 Active RP Mobile
CLEAR CHANNEL RADIO LICENSES INC KC7767 Active RP Mobile
CLOVIS BROADCASTERS INC BLP00125 Active LP Mobile
COFFEE COUNTY BROADCASTING INC KIY476 Active TN RP Base
COLINS BROADCASTING COMPANY KLZ906 Active NE RP Base
COLORADO SEARCH & RESCUE BOARD WNID964 Active IG Base
COLUMBIA BROADCASTING SYSTEM INC KL8278 Active RP Mobile
COMBINED COMMUNICATIONS CORP OF OK BLP00434 Active MI LP Mobile
COMCORP OF EL PASO LICENSE CORP BLP01400 Active LP Mobile
COMMUNICATIONS PROPERTIES INC KK8667 Active RP Mobile
COMMUNITY COMMUNICATIONS INC KFO547 Active FL RP Base
COMMUNITY EDUCATIONAL TV INC BLP01505 Active TX LP Mobile
CONCORD KANNAPOLIS COMM INC KIN994 Active NC RP Base
CONNOISSEUR COMM OF EVANSVILLE LP KV4883 Active RP Mobile
CONNRIVER BROADCASTING LLC KF2516 Active RP Mobile
CONTEMPORY MEDIA INC KJG583 Active RP Base
COOSA BROADCASTING CO INC KIV742 Active GA RP Base
COPPER BROADCASTING CO BLP00130 Active LP Mobile
CORINTHIAN TELEVISION CORP BLP00131 Active LP Mobile
CORNBELT BROADCASTING CO KEK709 Active IL RP Base
CORNHUSKER TV CORP BLP00132 Active LP Mobile
CORPORATION FOR GENERAL TRADE KSJ870 Active RP Base
CORP OF SEVENTH DAY ADVENT OF W PR KB96046 Active PR RP Mobile
CORSICANA MEDIA INC KRF588 Active TX RP Base
COMSONICS INC WPMU659 Active IG Mobile
COSMOS BROADCASTING CORPORATION BLP00768 Active OH LP Mobile
CREST BROADCASTING CO INC KE3175 Active RP Mobile
CUMBERLAND COMMUNICATIONS INC KG2635 Active RP Mobile
CUMULUS LICENSING CORPORATION KP9532 Active RP Mobile
DAME BROADCASTING LLC KM2992 Active RP Mobile
DAMERON, GEORGE D KOG600 Active IG Base
DAVIE, PAUL WPPH618 Active IG Mobile
DE LA HUNT BROADCASTING CORP KLC638 Active MN RP Base
THE DERRICK PUBLISHING COMPANY KEF941 Active NY RP Base
DES MOINES HEARST-ARGYLE TELEVISION, Inc BLP00779 Active IA LP
Mobile
DETROIT REGIONAL YACHT RACING ASSOCIATION KE6313 Active IG Mobile
DEVRIES ADRIAN BLP00134 Active LP Mobile
DEXTER BROADCASTING COMPANY KAJ729 Active MO RP Base
DFWU INC KN8049 Active RP Mobile
DICK BG COMPANY OF TENNESSEE INC KFL860 Active TN RP Base
DOBSON POWER LINE CONSTRUCTION CO INC WNCT848 Active KY IG Base
DOUGLASS COMMUNICATIONS, LLC KF5734 Active VA RP Mobile
DOWDY PARTNERS KJG605 Active OH RP Base
DUBOIS COUNTY BROADCASTING INC KP8228 Active RP Mobile
EAGLE COMMUNICATIONS, INC. KE6757 Active MT RP Mobile
EASTERN BROADCASTING CORP KD4704 Active RP Mobile
ECRP HAWAII LLC KGK955 Active HI RP Base
EDWIN KEITH JOHNSON KIS338 Active NC RP Base
ELCOM OF SOUTH DAKOTA INC KAO633 Active SD RP Base
ELI LILLY AND CO KA2849 Active RP Mobile
THE ELK CAMERON BROADCASTING CO KV4928 Active RP Mobile
EL MUNDO BROADCASTING CORP BLP00138 Active LP Mobile
EMMIS 106.5 FM RADIO LIC CORP OF S KD6997 Active RP Mobile
Emmis Radio License Corporation BLP00447 Active AZ LP Mobile
Emmis Television License Corporation BLP00848 Active NE LP Mobile
Entercom Portland License, LLC KPM556 Active OR RP Base
Entercom Seattle News License, LLC BLP00171 Active WA LP Mobile
EVANGELISTIC ALASKA MISSIONARY FELLOWSHIP KO5087 Active RP Mobile
EVENING NEWS ASSOC KF6642 Active RP Mobile
EVERHART, RAEFORD KJY949 Active IG Base
EWING FAYETTE C KH6165 Active RP Mobile
FAMILY RADIO INC KSJ786 Active WI RP Base
FARNSWORTH, IRA C KJM457 Active VT IG Base
FELTON, RICHARD A KVJ823 Active IG Mobile
FERRALL ELECTRIC CO DBA R & F COMM WPHE878 Active IG Mobile
FIELD COMMUNICATIONS CORP BLP00141 Active LP Mobile
FISHER, WALTER W KLM824 Active IL IG Base
FLA WEST COAST EDUCATION TV INC KIY474 Active FL RP Base
FLAHARTY, C L KQE485 Active IG Base - Itinerant
FLINT LICENSE SUBSIDIARY CORP BLP00677 Active MI LP Mobile
FOLKWAYS BROADCASTING CO INC KE7129 Active RP Mobile
FORT MYERS BROADCASTING CO BLP00696 Active LP Mobile
THE FORWARD ASSOCIATION INC KH7569 Active RP Mobile
FOX TELEVISION STATIONS INC BLP00539 Active LP Mobile
FRANKLIN, ANDREW M WPOE651 Active IL IG Base
FRED H BAKER SR KTG986 Active OK RP Base
FREEDOM BROADCASTING OF NEW YORK INC BLP00427 Active NY LP Mobile
FRIENDS OF THE MOUNTAIN WPGU796 Active VA IG Base
FRONTIER BROADCASTING CO KA7680 Active RP Mobile
GANNETT GEORGIA LP BLP01401 Active LP Mobile
GANNETT PACIFIC CORPORATION BLP00846 Active TN LP Mobile
GANNETT RIVER STATES PUBLISHING CORP BLP0527 Active FL LP Mobile
GARDEN CITY BROADCASTING INC DIP KLL764 Active TX RP Base
GATEWAY COMMUNICATIONS, INC. BLP00469 Active LP Mobile
GENERAL ELECTRIC RADIO SERVICES CORPORATION KC9205 Active IG Mobile
GENERAL MOTORS RESEARCH CORPORATION KC5820 Active IG Mobile
GEORGE HARM STATION KE4458 Active RP Mobile
GEORGIA PUBLIC TELECOMM COMMISSION KE4494 Active GA RP Mobile
GLADES MEDIA COMPANY KIY655 Active VA RP Base
GLENDIVE BROADCASTING CORP KE6739 Active RP Mobile
GOLDEN WEST BROADCASTERS KA5793 Active RP Mobile
GOODSTAR BC OF KANSAS LIC LLC KXF924 Active RP Base
GOODYEAR TIRE & RUBBER COMPANY WPPH287 Active IG Mobile
GRAPEVINE OF WYOMING LIC SUB LLC KFV588 Active WY RP Base
GREAT CIRCLE BROADCASTING COMPANY KLL760 Active PA RP Base
GREAT NORTHERN RADIO LLC KDT200 Active VT RP Base
GREAT SCOTT BROADCASTING KEC447 Active RP Base
GREAT WESTERN BROADCASTING CORP KC9296 Active RP Mobile
GREATER MICHIGAN RADIO INC BLP01133 Active MI LP Mobile
GREEN BAY BROADCASTING CO KE4750 Active RP Mobile
Griffin Entities, L.L.C. BLP00148 Active OK LP Mobile
GROOM JOHN I AND HAGERMAN JAMES KF6916 Active RP Mobile
Group W Television Stations Inc. KC23115 Active CO RP Mobile
GUY GANNETT COMMUNICATIONS BLP00160 Active LP Mobile
GYSI, CHUCK WYH960 Active IG Base - Itinerant
HARDIN COUNTY BROADCASTING CO INC KQB579 Active RP Base
HARRISBURG TELEVISION INC BLP00833 Active PA LP Mobile
HARVEST BROADCASTING COMPANY INC KE4457 Active RP Mobile
HARVEY RADIO LABORATORIES INC KA5627 Active RP Mobile
HBN COMMUNICATIONS INC KM8750 Active RP Mobile
HEARST CORP BLP00150 Active LP Mobile
Hearst-Argyle Properties, Inc. BLP00858 Active NH LP Mobile
HHGD BROADCASTING COMPANY INC KD3187 Active RP Mobile
HIRSCH ENTERPRISES INC KA7476 Active RP Mobile
HMH BROADCASTING INC KIN678 Active KY RP Base
HORIZON MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS INC WPNP855 Active IG Base
HUBBARD BROADCASTING INC KPF364 Active MN RP Base
HUGH HOLDER ENTERPRISES BLP00152 Active LP Mobile
HUNTER BCG INC KCH691 Active VT RP Base
HURON SHORE BROADCASTERS CORP KC5442 Active RP Mobile
INDIANA BROADCASTING CORP BLP00153 Active LP Mobile
Infinity Radio Inc. BLP01315 Active LP Mobile
Infinity Radio License Inc. KMD556 Active CA RP Base
IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY OF SCIENCE AND TEC BLP00155 Active LP Mobile
IW LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY KEH247 Active RP Base
J L BREWER BROADCASTING OF CLEVELAND KIY815 Active TN RP Base
J THOMAS DEVELOPMENT OF NM INC KGO421 Active NM RP Base
JACKSON RADIO WORKS INC KC8620 Active RP Mobile
JACOR BROADCASTING OF COLORADO INC KB99696 Active CO RP Mobile
JACOR LICENSEE OF LOUISVILLE INC KC6393 Active RP Mobile
JAICOA B/CG CORP WWA366 Active PR RP Base
JAMES BROADCASTING CO INC BLP00157 Active LP Mobile
JAMES R POWELL INC DBA MCDONALDS WPLW433 Active CA IG Mobile
JASPER BROADCASTING SERVICE KCK222 Active TX RP Base
JBF COMMUNICATIONS INC KIY654 Active NC RP Base
JEFFERSON PILOT COMM. CO. OF VA BLP00815 Active VA LP Mobile
JEFFERSON STANDARD BCSTG CO KIQ465 Active NC RP Base
JOAN AND KENNETH WRIGHT KO5776 Active RP Mobile
JOHNSON COMMUNICATIONS INC KTO787 Active OH RP Base
JOHNSON, ROBERT H KLM550 Active AL RP Base
JOURNAL BROADCAST CORPORATION KC2790 Active RP Mobile
JOURNAL CO BLP00158 Active LP Mobile
JWJ PROPERTIES INC KIJ777 Active GA RP Base
K SIX TELEVISION INC KS8530 Active RP Mobile
K95.5 INC KD7012 Active RP Mobile
KANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY KD9850 Active RP Mobile
KARK TV INC BLP00411 Active LP Mobile
LAWRENCE BEHR ASSOCIATES INC KB72639 Active IG Mobile
KBMY BCG CO BLP00162 Active LP Mobile
KCMC INC BLP00164 Active LP Mobile
KCOP TELEVISION INC BLP00165 Active LP Mobile
KCRA HEARST ARGYLE TELEVISION INC KMM776 Active CA RP Base
KDB BCG CO BLP00166 Active LP Mobile
KELA CORP BLP00167 Active LP Mobile
KELLY BROADCASTING CO BLP00981 Active LP Mobile
KERSHAW BROADCASTING CORP KN6847 Active RP Mobile
KGGF KUSN INC KAH288 Active KS RP Base
KGLX KFMQ KFXR LLC KC6756 Active RP Mobile
KGO TELEVISION, INC. BLP00428 Active CA LP Mobile
KHOU-TV, LP BLP01237 Active LP Mobile
KIMTRON INC KEG224 Active NY RP Base
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KING BROADCASTING COMPANY BLP00606 Active ID LP Mobile
KIRX INC KD3686 Active RP Mobile
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KLOS FM RADIO INC BLP00958 Active LP Mobile
K L R A INC KC5244 Active RP Mobile
KNOXVILLE RA TEL INC KC4506 Active RP Mobile
KOAT HEARST ARGYLE TELEVISION INC KKR362 Active NM RP Base
KOTV, INC. BLP00176 Active OK LP Mobile
KOVR BROADCASTING CO KMF282 Active CA RP Base
KQED INC KN4398 Active RP Mobile
KRBE CO. BLP00935 Active TX LP Mobile
KSAZ LICENSE, INC. WPOV623 Active AZ RP
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(to be continued....)
Leland C. Scott
"Twistedhed" <twist...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:2359-3BE...@storefull-126.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> "The FCC is going to monitoring for terrorists? Where the hell did you
> get that? The FCC is not military and any monitoring they may or may not
> elect to do will be self-imposed and secondary in nature and not any
> real significance to the military."
Since for reasons of national security our government is not disclosing in detail it's efforts to locate and identify Terrorists so you, nor the general public, has any idea one way or the other how large, or small, the FCC's participation is in the overall effort to locate them. However it does seem very foolish to ignore the FCC's monitoring resources, and it would be a safe bet that their effort is more than simply "self-imposed and secondary in nature" to other agencies, civilian or military.
> we can expect an increase in enforcement worldwide. After the terrorist
> threat has been 'removed', don't expect the FCC to slack up on the
> enforcement issue again.
>
> "You said it yourself, the funds aren't there, so where is this imagined
> stepped-up enforcement going to originate? Did your "inside information"
> allow you knowledge of a sudden allocation of funds to be directed to
> the FCC other than through Congressional allotments? Feel free to
> enlighten us."
It's no big secret that the money for many so-called "black projects" are hidden inside of the budget of other public projects. It's even been mention as such in the public press from time to time. Even many of the congress don't know where the money goes. Considering the current state of affairs, and the need for more security, it's not unreasonable to assume, or at the very least suspect, money is being send to the FCC to specifically fund the need for extra equipment and field agents.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL Member
NCI Member
--
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin
of little minds."
Ralph Waldo Emerson
aaronvoobner
<Mopar...@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Leland C. Scott" wrote:
> >
> Are you posting from Cotse again Leland ?
>
> --
> -Moparholic
Perhaps twistie needs to give you a class on header reading Mophed. Don't
forget to turn your Cb's off when entering a tunnel.
Twistedhed
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"The FCC is going to monitoring for terrorists? Where the hell did you
get that? The FCC is not military and any monitoring they may or may not
elect to do will be self-imposed and secondary in nature and not any
real significance to the military."
KC8LDO interjected with:
Since for reasons of national security our government is not disclosing
in detail it's efforts to locate and identify Terrorist
large, or small, the FCC's participation is in the overall effort to
locate them.
"Um, it was directed at it's origin, but since you are feeling froggy
(shoulda known by the Dweebo posts), this is what I have maintained all
along. Glad to see you also realize that Sparky is peddling BS, since,
as you said, the general public has no idea. Seems like Sparky is
insinuating he is something other than the general public. He wasn't
military...he DID say RF pirates affected him in his work, but refused
to say how..hmmm..a regular 007.....(chuckle).
But even that is BS. The media is keeping us detailed now down to the
exact number of sortees carried out, a call for scientists to grow
smallpox for the military, what the center for disease control is
planning, etc. Biological concerns are much more sensitive than radio
signals, so to think that an imaginary cloak is to be thrown over the
FCC's involvement in chasing down terrorists so the public is not aware,
even for a second, is nothing short of hysterical entertainment and fits
right there with all the rest of the imaginary but positive thoughts you
ply."
However it does seem very foolish to ignore the FCC's monitoring
resources, and it would be a safe bet that their effort is more than
simply "self-imposed and secondary in nature" to other agencies,
civilian or military.
"Maybe, maybe not. Let's suppose for a second, that the FCC were called
on to (ahem) assist in monitoring for terrorist activity. Do you still
think Bin Laden is going to be transmitting on 555 and that the feds
will be listening for him there?"
we can expect an increase in enforcement worldwide. After the terrorist
threat has been 'removed', don't expect the FCC to slack up on the
enforcement issue again.
"You said it yourself, the funds aren't there, so where is this imagined
stepped-up enforcement going to originate? Did your "inside information"
allow you knowledge of a sudden allocation of funds to be directed to
the FCC other than through Congressional allotments? Feel free to
enlighten us."
It's no big secret that the money for many so-called "black projects"
are hidden inside of the budget of other public projects.
"Aha. This is true and I agree wholeheartedly. However, I don't see
anyone at all in Washington willing to risk such an illegal endeavor
(like the contras were funded) to chase the freebanding cbers. Matter of
fact, I can't see anyone taking money from a pork project to be used for
policing the airway from 25 to 27.999. Can you say otherise and still
maintain a straightface?"
It's even been mention as such in the public press from time to time.
Even many of the congress don't know where the money goes. Considering
the current state of affairs, and the need for more security, it's not
unreasonable to assume, or at the very least suspect, money is being
send to the FCC to specifically fund the need for extra equipment and
field agents.
--
"Maybe. But it sure as hell wouldn't be for triple 5 air police."
SD SpecialDelivery Jones
yeh your right twistie...i couldn't believe that idiot wrote that. i
think he dropped the proverbial ball on that one..........
Leland C. Scott
<Mopar...@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in message news:20011031181455.392$D...@newsreader.com...
> "Leland C. Scott" wrote:
> >
> Are you posting from Cotse again Leland ?
Ask Twisted. That's the service he likes to use when posting forged messages. He resorts to that when he can't find a logical rebuttal to somebody's comments. He normally pulls that stunt around the weekends, when he claims he's out "fishing".
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL Member
NCI Member
--
"That's easy to explain. As another poster a short time back said about
Part 95 rules "I don't care", well you see what happens when that mind
set gets applied in a different context. It is very apparent they,
the terrorists, didn't care about human life either,
including their own. "
Regarding the WTC attack on 9/11/01
Leland C. Scott
"Twistedhed" <twist...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:21613-3B...@storefull-127.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
From: ab...@cotse.net (Leland C. Scott)
"Twistedhed" <twist...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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"The FCC is going to monitoring for terrorists? Where the hell did you
get that? The FCC is not military and any monitoring they may or may not
elect to do will be self-imposed and secondary in nature and not any
real significance to the military."
--
KC8LDO interjected with:
Since for reasons of national security our government is not disclosing
in detail it's efforts to locate and identify Terrorist
so you, nor the general public, has any idea one way or the other how
large, or small, the FCC's participation is in the overall effort to
locate them.
>"Um, it was directed at it's origin, but since you are feeling froggy
>(shoulda known by the Dweebo posts), this is what I have maintained all
>along. Glad to see you also realize that Sparky is peddling BS, since,
>as you said, the general public has no idea. Seems like Sparky is
>insinuating he is something other than the general public. He wasn't
>military...he DID say RF pirates affected him in his work, but refused
>to say how..hmmm..a regular 007.....(chuckle).
I wouldn't discount what he said. Not everyone is free to discuss everything they do. I've personally have worked with people who many years ago worked on ECM (Electronic Counter Measures) devices and systems while in the military, and still don't want to talk about it even now indetail.
>But even that is BS. The media is keeping us detailed now down to the
>exact number of sortees carried out, a call for scientists to grow
>smallpox for the military, what the center for disease control is
>planning, etc.
You along with others I've spoken to have so quickly forgotten that the US government could be playing the media for dopes by feeding them "miss information" knowing full well how it will get broadcast all over the place. This may as well be part of their war plans. I would not depend on what the media is reporting to much. During the Viet Nam war, from the media reports of government sources, it sounded like we were wining, years later we now know the real truth.
>Biological concerns are much more sensitive than radio
>signals, so to think that an imaginary cloak is to be thrown over the
>FCC's involvement in chasing down terrorists so the public is not aware,
>even for a second, is nothing short of hysterical entertainment and fits
>right there with all the rest of the imaginary but positive thoughts you ply."
Have you ever been to a FCC field office, and REALLY seen the equipment they use 24 x 7 to monitor the air waves? My brother, who is also a Ham, did. He was totally shocked to see the extensive equipment they use, what they can monitor, record, and how often they do it. The term he used to describe their capabilities was "scary".
>"Maybe, maybe not. Let's suppose for a second, that the FCC were called
>on to (ahem) assist in monitoring for terrorist activity. Do you still
>think Bin Laden is going to be transmitting on 555 and that the feds
>will be listening for him there?"
Or any where else for that matter. Picking a mess like the freeband would be an easy way to slip out a shorted coded message that would likely go unnoticed by the usual bands of pirates there. Seems like you never can tell what will pop up there like a week ago where people were treated to a BBC news rebroadcast on 27.555 MHz sideband as a means to jam that frequency.
we can expect an increase in enforcement worldwide. After the terrorist
threat has been 'removed', don't expect the FCC to slack up on the
enforcement issue again.
>"Aha. This is true and I agree wholeheartedly. However, I don't see
>anyone at all in Washington willing to risk such an illegal endeavor
>(like the contras were funded) to chase the freebanding cbers. Matter of
>fact, I can't see anyone taking money from a pork project to be used for
>policing the airway from 25 to 27.999. Can you say otherise and still
>maintain a straightface?"
First of all we're not talking about funding a movement to undermine another country's government. We are talking about an alternate method to fund a perfectly legitimate government agency's budget, and the perfectly legal work it does, in such a way as to not draw any unwanted attention to it. If they, the Terrorists, knew somebody was actively looking they would use some other communication method, and thus it would be that much more work trying to locate them. Since the Terrorists can choose to use any means at their convenience to communicate, including radio with their choice of bands (including the 11m band) etc., it would be totally irresponsible if our government did not consider the possibility, and took appropriate measures accordingly.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL Member
NCI Member
--
"Sometimes our enthusiasm for change
depends on our willingness to take a
chance on tomorrow by risking what
we have today."
Sparky
> just your opinion and nothing to back up your wild claims.
>
>
> -A-
Maybe you missed a post a few months back: twistie said that whatever
he says is true because he said so. So if twistie says it, it MUST
be true... ROTFL!
Aaron H. Voobner
> From: Leland?C.?Scott
> own and operate on the Ham bands.
They are not the target market anyway. What ham would buy a 'channelized' HF radio?
-Aaron-
Bert Craig
>> own and operate on the Ham bands.
>
>They are not the target market anyway.
True.
>What ham would buy a 'channelized' HF radio?
There's a better demographic contained within this question. How many
prospective hams have bought "channel-ized" 10/12-meter rigs?
73 de Bert
KC2HMN
Train
Train
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Richard McCollum
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There are getting to be a fair number of hams who will not 'talk on the
fives' on 10 and 12 meters, largely because of the slims. Any one buying
one for the ham bands could very easily find out real quick what being an
orphan means.
Dick NØBK
Richard McCollum
"Train" <like...@all.com> wrote in message
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> If they want a 10 meter specific rig......They have little choice!
> Train
Without delving into who might want a 10 meter specific rig with decling
sunspots or at any time for that matter, might I suggest a TenTec Scout or
516 due out soon. No channelization, no roger beep, and it might survive
more than a week in your car in pothole season. And it actually receives -
fancy that.
Dick NØBK
Bert Craig
>> >> own and operate on the Ham bands.
>> >
>> >They are not the target market anyway.
>>
>> True.
>>
>> >What ham would buy a 'channelized' HF radio?
>>
>> There's a better demographic contained within this question. How many
>> prospective hams have bought "channel-ized" 10/12-meter rigs?
>>
>> 73 de Bert
>> KC2HMN
>
>There are getting to be a fair number of hams who will not 'talk on the
>fives' on 10 and 12 meters, largely because of the slims. Any one buying
>one for the ham bands could very easily find out real quick what being an
>orphan means.
>
>Dick NØBK
I concur. :-)
73 de Bert
KC2HMN
Sparky
I have an old Wilson (Regency XLH250A) sitting on the shelf in front
of me. The only reason I still have it is because nobody seems to
want it. It works on 135 - 150MHz, and it even scans. So that should
tell you that nobody is really interested in the frequency/band --
the only thing that matters is hiding behind the no-license status
of CB radio.
Richard McCollum
"Sparky" <fgi...@tincan.org> wrote in message
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> "Richard McCollum" <rmcco...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> > "Train" <like...@all.com> wrote in message
> > news:xdlE7.3581$Ie.6...@news02.optonline.net...
> > > If they want a 10 meter specific rig......They have little choice!
> > > Train
> >
> > Without delving into who might want a 10 meter specific rig with
> > sunspots or at any time for that matter, might I suggest a TenTec Scout
or
> > 516 due out soon. No channelization, no roger beep, and it might
survive
> > more than a week in your car in pothole season. And it actually
receives -
> > fancy that.
> >
> > Dick NØBK
>
> I have an old Wilson (Regency XLH250A) sitting on the shelf in front
> of me. The only reason I still have it is because nobody seems to
> want it. It works on 135 - 150MHz, and it even scans. So that should
> tell you that nobody is really interested in the frequency/band --
> the only thing that matters is hiding behind the no-license status
> of CB radio.
You raise a good point. With ham tickets pretty easy to get, especially the
VHF codeless ones, it is a minor wonder more don't use it whether the object
of the game is to get off CB or simply widen the horizons a tad. Something
under $25 and some time puts one in your pocket and that is buying the study
guide new. Later tickets are just more of the same.
Granted, getting busted puts you out of the radio biz for a while but that
is true licensed or not. So just for giggles, just what in hell are those
hiding behind a no-license status hiding from??? While we are at it, what
causes the hostility toward legal operation, licensed or not, that is
exhibited by so many? What the hell is the attraction of working another
illegal when no one will ever know about it but you when the ARS has a
well-developed system of QSL bureaus worldwide?
Some years ago my son, about to graduate from high school, asked me why some
of his friends were eating with the freshmen in about March or April. I
replied that graduation would put them into the position of actually having
to compete and really do something so they went into denial mode. Without
being the resident psychological genius here, it sure looks as if that is
happening with CB. Are we so damned afraid of looking like a rookie? I got
my seventh-grade football teams over that bullshit in a big hurry; make all
the mistakes you can: I won't chew on you for anything that makes a remote
bit of sense. Are we scoring ego points or enjoying a hobby? Hell's Bells,
I have been at this for 46 of my 58 years and even made money at it and I
learn something every damn day from Jay or whoever. There ain't no Big Red
S on my sweatshirt.
As one who has done it, and as I recall actually passed the Rules and Regs
test, got any thoughts???
Dick, Nudnik Zilch Bionic Klutz
Sparky
Well, my first license was a real bitch, but they didn't have a
question pool for commercial licenses. I have seen the pool for
this years tech ticket, and I would be really suprised if anyone
-couldn't- pass it (assuming they spend a little time to study).
Just to suggest a possible motive: If these amp contests are any
indication of the illegal attitude (of some), it is a contest to
see who is 'the best'. And in order to be the best in the amateur
community they would need to pass the hardest test, as well as
learn some code. So maybe these same people that want to be the
king-of-the-hill have just chosen to do it in an arena where there
is no real competitive challenge, other than buying the biggest amp.
But I really think it has to do with (1), the lack of understanding
that radio communication is really about 'communication', and (2),
that their competitive nature was nurtured by watching too much
professional wrestling and cartoons (victims of television, the
perfect babysitter).
That's my opinion, subject to revision.
Brainbuster
news:2359-3BE...@storefull-126.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
>
>
> "The FCC is going to monitoring for terrorists? Where the hell did you
> get that? The FCC is not military and any monitoring they may or may not
> elect to do will be self-imposed and secondary in nature and not any
> real significance to the military."
>
> stepped-up enforcement going to originate? Did your "inside information"
> allow you knowledge of a sudden allocation of funds to be directed to
> the FCC other than through Congressional allotments? Feel free to
> enlighten us."
Hi Twistedhed.
The music playing, swearing, high power amps, etc must provide great cover
for the terrorists messages.
Ok, so they may not hear each other above the noise, but neither can anyone
else.
The occational skip conditions provide great chances to talk to their own
country... if it just happens to be running right at the exact time they need
it to.
The fact that the band is available for anyone to listen to, and that 1000s
of people will hear their messages must really make CB the ideal choice for
secret terrorist messages.
The size of a CB and 1KW illegal amp must make them the perfect choice for
hand-held use by terrorists while on a "mission".
What terrorist would want to use telephones, internet, e-mail, and "snail
mail" for reliable, private, long distance communications, when they could
use CB?
Regards,
Brainbuster.
--
Bumper sticker :
Horn broken...watch for finger
Brainbuster
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^
^ The problem with export radios is they are perfectly legal for Hams to own
^ and operate on the Ham bands. I don't think it's really a money issue.
^ Right now there is nothing illegal about anyone owning one of these rigs,
^ or selling them that I know about at the moment. The FCC however takes a
^ different view with amplifiers, so if a CBer has an amplifier they assume
^ it was used even if they never saw it connected. The legality part comes in
^ to play when the radio is operated, either on it's intended Ham bands, by a
^ duly licensed Ham, or illegally outside of those bands by anyone.
^
^ <snipped>
----
Hi Leland,
I have to agree that there are measures that could be taken to restrict the
flow of equipment into the hands of CBers.
I say "restrict" because, to be honest, you cannot stop it totally. You only
have to look at all the illegal sales that happen every day such as
Cigarettes sold to children, Fireworks sold to children, Illegal porn... the
list goes on.
Once every few years, one of our "Trading Standards" offices will run a
"sting" operation by sending children into a few shops to buy Cigarettes.
They will then make a report on the number of shops that broke the law.
Nothing ever comes of it. It is well known that the law is broken EVERY
DAY, by a large percentage of small shops, but NOTHING gets done.
This time of year, we have a big problem with fireworks. The shops sell them
to children, who then play with them... until someone loses a limb. The
police know it happens, they know the law, they know the death and injury
figures, and they still do nothing. A policeman once said "It's alright...
we did it when we were children", so much for the law protecting the
innocent.
Personally, I believe that public sale of fireworks (read explosives) should
be banned. Once a year, our small town has an incredible outdoor display of
fireworks + lasers (set to music), stage acts, and sideshows. The company
who provide the display also do displays for big international events.
The cost of entering the grounds of the historic building where this is
held is only about £4. As you can imagine, our narrow streets cannot easily
cope, and police must have to be imported from local areas.
So, the question must be: Why are steps not taken? The authorities in both
of our great countries must be aware that more stops could be taken to
reduce illegal sales, but do not put measures in place.
I wonder how much tax the UK government receives from the sale of Cigarettes
to children. I refuse to believe that this could be totally ignored by a
government under pressure to keep income tax down.
It must also be considered that if you ban the shop sales, then "black
market" sales will increase to supply the demand (totally illegal CBs still
become available here). The "Black Market" sales provide no tax for the
goverment, and policing is not cost effective when there is no taxed
alternative.
In my local "free ads" papers, people openly sell illegal CB equipment. Much
of it is even illegal to possess, proof of use is NOT required for
non-approved CBs. It would be easy for the RIS to visit make the call, visit
the people, and seize the equipment.
I have NEVER heard of this happening, and out of the 1000s breaking the CB
rules every year, less than 30 people get busted. Busts usually follow
reports of inteference, and an un-cooperative attitude from the CBer.
I seriously doubt if the RIS has the funding to run an "all out assault" on
illegal CB just for the sake of it. So they direct their resources at
tackling those they know to be causing a problem.
As your country has Licence free CB, then it is possible that they are even
less willing to pay out to police it or add new rules than our "under-funded"
RIS and RA are.
Obviously, funds have to be targetted. Not only is it important that the
action is effective, but also that the public see it as money well spent.
If I was asked whether my government should tackle illegal CB, illegal drugs
(and so drug related burglary), illegal sales to children, or child porn...
It would be a hard choice, but I would start by crossing illegal CB off the
list, it just doesn't compare to the suffering related to the other crimes.
Do you have problems with under-age smoking and Fireworks being used as
childrens toys in the US?
Regards,
Brainbuster.
--
Psycotics build castles in the sky, neurotics live in them, and psychologists
collect the rent.
Leland C. Scott
"Sparky" <fgi...@tincan.org> wrote in message news:e182e02.01103...@posting.google.com...
You mean like this garbage he wrote.....
--
==================================
twist...@webtv.net (Twistedhed) wrote:
From: no-...@junk-mail.net (Leland C. Scott)
"Twistedhed" <twist...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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(snip)
> I stand behind what I write.
(snip)
===================================
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
Saw this on a Tee-shirt:
"I am a
bomb
technician
if you see me
running
try to keep up "
Leland C. Scott
"Brainbuster" <br...@buster.com> wrote in message news:9rvn8r$evf$3...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Leland C. Scott <ab...@cotse.net> wrote in message
> news:dJMD7.33137$Gd6.7...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net...
> childrens toys in the US?
Yes we do. Just drive any school and have a looksee outside. Making a meaningful dent in the wide spread violation of Part 95 rules here may need that same level of deterent used by some other countries in their "war on drugs", i.e. the shoot the dealers in the head. Dead dealers can't get out of jail, and or pay their fines, and get back in to business once again.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL Member
NCI Member
--
"We cannot tell what may happen to us in the
strange medley of life. But we can decide
what happens in us - how we take it,
what we do with it - and that is what
really counts in the end."
Joseph Fort Newton
Leland C. Scott
"Brainbuster" <br...@buster.com> wrote in message news:9rvn8q$evf$2...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> The music playing, swearing, high power amps, etc must provide great cover
> for the terrorists messages.
It would.
> Ok, so they may not hear each other above the noise, but neither can anyone
> else.
Unless they were within a few miles of one another. All of the illegal high power CBers would provide convenient cover whether they knew it or not.
>
> The occational skip conditions provide great chances to talk to their own
> country... if it just happens to be running right at the exact time they need
> it to.
I suspect they would use CB more for local communications than anything else.
> The fact that the band is available for anyone to listen to, and that 1000s
> of people will hear their messages must really make CB the ideal choice for
> secret terrorist messages.
Ask yourself how much you really pay attention to what you hear on 11m most of the time. How much of what you do hear really makes any sense most of the time anyway? Do you understand all those conversations, on the different channels, in a foreign language you hear too? We have over 250K people from the middle east living in Dearborn (south west of Detroit) and no small percentage of them use CB Radio. Finally are your really going to notice somebody sending coded signals that at first appearance seem like just another channel control freak jamming the frequency with some weird sound effects?
> The size of a CB and 1KW illegal amp must make them the perfect choice for
> hand-held use by terrorists while on a "mission".
More like a terrorist slinking around the airport grounds using a 4 watt handheld.
> What terrorist would want to use telephones, internet, e-mail, and "snail
> mail" for reliable, private, long distance communications, when they could
> use CB?
So they use all of the above.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL Member
NCI Member
--
"I care about truth not for truth's sake
but for my own."
Samuel Butler
Bert Craig
>country... if it just happens to be running right at the exact time they need
>it to.
Hi Peter,
My XYL occasionally speaks to her Uncle Declan in County Cork, "Connecticut" or
her Tio Jorge in Quito, "New Jersey." Thank goodness that CT and NJ are within
155.3 mi. of Long Island, NY. ;-)
73 de Bert
KC2HMN
Leland C. Scott
<Mopar...@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in message news:20011103000324.686$g...@newsreader.com...
> "Leland C. Scott" <ab...@webtv.net> wrote:
> some other countries in their =
> > "war on drugs", i.e. the shoot the dealers in the head. Dead dealers =
> > can't get out of jail, and or pay their fines, and get back in to =
> > business once again.
> >
> Yea,shoot first,ask questions later.
>
> Move to Cuba.
Wrong. They shoot them in China, not Cuba. You never heard about the Opium Wars in the early 1900's in China? Cuba supports the drug trade as a means to destabilize the US government and to earn hard currency it needs for import and export trade.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL Member
NCI Member
--
Richard McCollum
<Mopar...@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Leland C. Scott" <ab...@webtv.net> wrote:
> some other countries in their =
> > "war on drugs", i.e. the shoot the dealers in the head. Dead dealers =
> > can't get out of jail, and or pay their fines, and get back in to =
> > business once again.
> >
> Yea,shoot first,ask questions later.
>
> Move to Cuba.
Wrong. They shoot them in China, not Cuba. You never heard about the Opium
Wars in the early 1900's in China? Cuba supports the drug trade as a means
to destabilize the US government and to earn hard currency it needs for
import and export trade.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
And some day when we develop the sense God gave the average billy goat, we
will take up a program including cut-rate supply and treatment options to
deprive the depraved of a market.
I would suspect that a Cuban getting addicted or selling to another Cuban is
in a world of hurt. Getting shot might be preferable to life in the nickel
mines.
Dick, Bug Killer
Brainbuster
"Brainbuster" <br...@buster.com> wrote in message
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>
> Do you have problems with under-age smoking and Fireworks being used as
> childrens toys in the US?
^ Yes we do. Just drive any school and have a looksee outside. Making a
^ meaningful dent in the wide spread violation of Part 95 rules here may need
^ that same level of deterent used by some other countries in their "war on
^ drugs", i.e. the shoot the dealers in the head. Dead dealers can't get out
^ of jail, and or pay their fines, and get back in to business once again.
---
My first reaction to your idea of shooting CB offenders in the head was to
ROTFL... but then I had this terrible thought... what if you was serious,
what if it wasn't a joke.
Even as a CBer, I see many crimes as being more important than illegal CB.
As the majority of the public have nothing to do with CB, and never even
consider it, I seriously doubt if more than a handfull of people see illegal
CB as a priority.
In the UK, we have figures for the number of people killed or injured by
fireworks, speeding or drunk motorists, drugs, accidents in the home,
accidents at work.... the list goes on. My local library has books full of
statistics. Strange how there seem to be no figures for people killed or
injured by illegal CB.
Recently there have been some high profile child abuse cases, where the
children have died, covered in bruises. One had no bedroom, and was made
to sleep in the bath. She died from the cold, covered in bruises. I am NOT
ashamed to say that I cry out loud, and have to change TV channels.
As long as there are children suffering and dying because of people breaking
other laws, I find it impossible to get fired up over illegal CB. It just
doesn't compare. But suggest that child murderers should be shot in the
head, and we could agree on something... Why pay to keep such people alive.
Regards,
Brainbuster.
---
Landshark
This argument has been given at least a dozen
or more times, each time they will change the
subject or throw insults.
Landshark
"Brainbuster" <br...@buster.com> wrote in message
news:9s5f21$3lc$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
Twistedhed
Group: rec.radio.cb
Date: Sat, Nov 3, 2001, 5:19am (EST+5)
high power amps, etc must provide great cover for the terrorists
messages.
It would.
Ok, so they may not hear each other above the noise, but neither can
anyone else.
Unless they were within a few miles of one another. All of the illegal
high power CBers would provide convenient cover whether they knew it or
not.
The occational skip conditions provide great chances to talk to their
own country... if it just happens to be running right at the exact time
they need it to.
I suspect they would use CB more for local communications than anything
else.
The fact that the band is available for anyone to listen to, and that
1000s of people will hear their messages must really make CB the ideal
choice for secret terrorist messages.
Ask yourself how much you really pay attention to what you hear on 11m
most of the time. How much of what you do hear really makes any sense
most of the time anyway? Do you understand all those conversations, on
the different channels, in a foreign language you hear too? We have over
250K people from the middle east living in Dearborn (south west of
Detroit) and no small percentage of them use CB Radio. Finally are your
really going to notice somebody sending coded signals that at first
appearance seem like just another channel control freak jamming the
frequency with some weird sound effects?
-
The size of a CB and 1KW illegal amp must make them the perfect choice
for hand-held use by terrorists while on a "mission". More like a
terrorist slinking around the airport grounds using a 4 watt handheld.
-
What terrorist would want to use telephones, internet, e-mail, and
"snail mail" for reliable, private, long distance communications, when
they could use CB?
So they use all of the above.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
--
"This guy. Does "Nad never fail to entertain or what? Thing is BBuster,
he didn't even realize your post was tongue-in-cheek. Someone that knew
him once posted and suggested he is one weird dude."
Twistedhed
Date: Sat, Nov 3, 2001, 4:46am (EST+5)
news:e182e02.01103...@posting.google.com... "aaronvoobner"
<aaronv...@home.coms> wrote in message
news:<ifYD7.168353$5A3.61...@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com>... Twisty, just
back up your wild claims. -A-
Maybe you missed a post a few months back: twistie said that whatever he
says is true because he said so. So if twistie says it, it MUST be
true... ROTFL!
You mean like this garbage he wrote.....
--
==================================
twist...@webtv.net (Twistedhed) wrote: From: no-...@junk-mail.net
(Leland C. Scott) "Twistedhed" <twist...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23991-3B...@storefull-124.iap.bryant.webtv.net... (snip)
I stand behind what I write.
(snip)
===================================
"Easy boy. You should really consider therapy (like Sparky) since you
obviously are heartbroken to the point of callousness and are unable to
refrain from showering me with love if more than a day goes by without
you hearing from me. What did Catfancy magazine say to you? Were you
accepted as a columnest? Did they even reply? I wouldn't worry about
it..it's taken me over 2 years just to educate you in the manner of cb
and your incorrect accusations of how you were getting me thrown off the
web (I'm still here, at the same email addy) for more of your imaginary
BS, I can only imagine what Catfancy thought, a single man your age
living with mom, aspires to be a writer more than anything else in the
world, wishes to author material concerning felines, a post on a website
as the singular attestment to your (cough) journalistic talent, and a
poorly written and grammatically incorrect QRZ page that, according to
you, serves as a resume...heheheh. And of course, you turn to us for
enlightenment and radio education.
What happened to your supernews account? Were you fired? <g> Hey, I was
checking out 6 meter last night and found some interesting frequencies
around your area. Do you have any licensed amateurs you would publicly
call a friend in your area?"
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL member
Twistedhed
br...@buster.com (Brainbuster)
news:2359-3BE...@storefull-126.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
<snipped>
"The FCC is going to monitoring for terrorists? Where the hell did you
get that? The FCC is not military and any monitoring they may or may not
elect to do will be self-imposed and secondary in nature and not any
real significance to the military."
"You said it yourself, the funds aren't there, so where is this imagined
stepped-up enforcement going to originate? Did your "inside information"
allow you knowledge of a sudden allocation of funds to be directed to
the FCC other than through Congressional allotments? Feel free to
enlighten us."
----
Hi Twistedhed.
"Hello, B.buster."
The music playing, swearing, high power amps, etc must provide great
cover for the terrorists messages.
Ok, so they may not hear each other above the noise, but neither can
anyone else.
The occational skip conditions provide great chances to talk to their
own country... if it just happens to be running right at the exact time
they need it to.
The fact that the band is available for anyone to listen to, and that
1000s of people will hear their messages must really make CB the ideal
choice for secret terrorist messages.
The size of a CB and 1KW illegal amp must make them the perfect choice
for hand-held use by terrorists while on a "mission". What terrorist
would want to use telephones, internet, e-mail, and "snail mail" for
reliable, private, long distance communications, when they could use CB?
Regards,
Brainbuster
"Yea, since you put it that way...all them big azzed boxes floating
around, you know Bin and his Boyz are now looking for some 32 pills for
them Hyundais, Toyotas and Subarus and Nissans they drive. Come to think
of it, I have been hearing strange scenes and seeing odd musics on the
freeband at 27.555 and all this time I thought I was just infringing on
some bakery's dispatch truck service in St. Paul. Gee, who woulda
thought tricked out exports were the Al-Queda's communication tool of
choice? Well, that is certainly too much for me and I will be no part of
it, especially since Sparky had Powell over for dinner and had him
rescind and rewrite government policy through a secret internal memo
that requires them to suspend normal operating procedures of the FCC in
order to issue me an NAL for usenet speech. Thanks for the tip. Now
where did I put that division number chart?"
--
Bumper sticker :
Horn broken...watch for finger
--
My favorite bumpersticker:
Too bad ignorance isn't painful.
Twistedhed
Date: Sat, Nov 3, 2001, 4:59am (EST+5)
problems with under-age smoking and Fireworks being used as childrens
toys in the US?
KC8LDO somehow warbled and barely managed with: Yes we do. Just drive
any school and have a looksee outside. Making a meaningful dent in the
wide spread violation of Part 95 rules here may need that same level of
deterent used by some other countries in their "war on drugs", i.e. the
shoot the dealers in the head.
"It may be me, but I think you are still upset from your last post
directed at me. Your anger causes you to post radically ridiculous
jabber. Let's examine that again, shall we?"
Making a meaningful dent in the wide spread violation of Part 95 rules
here may need that same level of deterent.....
"Nope, it's you, not making a lick of sense. You need a better grip on
your anger problem, 'Nad. You screw up all the time when you're upset.
Think before you index type and shift, 'Nad."
....used by some other countries in their "war on drugs", i.e. the
shoot the dealers in the head.
"Yea, yea, we know. I can appreciate what you are trying to convey here,
but you look like an idiot the way you are portraying it, of course you
realize that now.
Sparky gets hot and bothered thinking about me shooting trespassers,
I wonder if he lays awake at night thinking of you wanting to whack
someone for infracting a cb radio rule of part 95? Nah, he don't. He's
too busy chanting my name."
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL Member
NCI Member
PipeDreams
"Landshark" <S3B...@SBCGloboil.Net> wrote in message
news:09yF7.19193$Nc3.345...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
Wavle
upgrade to "ham" status these days, why not just do it?
Richard
Aaron H. Voobner
> >> > fireworks, speeding or drunk motorists, drugs, accidents in the home,
> >> > accidents at work.... the list goes on. My local library has books full
> of
> >> > statistics. Strange how there seem to be no figures for people killed
> or
> >> > injured by illegal CB.
> >> >
> >> > Recently there have been some high profile child abuse cases, where the
> >> > children have died, covered in bruises. One had no bedroom, and was
> made
> >> > to sleep in the bath. She died from the cold, covered in bruises. I am
> NOT
> >> > ashamed to say that I cry out loud, and have to change TV channels.
> >> > As long as there are children suffering and dying because of people
> breaking
> >> > other laws, I find it impossible to get fired up over illegal CB. It
> just
> >> > doesn't compare. But suggest that child murderers should be shot in the
> >> > head, and we could agree on something... Why pay to keep such people
> >> alive.
Nobody is disputing that there are evils in the world, and that some
are worth pursuing with more vigor than others. However using
'relativism' as an excuse to only obey the laws you find it agreeable
to obey is sheer bunk. It's a looters mentality, i.e. "The
authorities have much more important things to do than track down
everyone who goes into this old warehouse through the broken window,
and besides, everyone's doing it".
-Aaron-
Sparky
> I hesitate to involve myself myself in this but I ask: as easy as it is to
> upgrade to "ham" status these days, why not just do it?
That's a very good question that has been asked countless times,
but nobody seems to be willing to provide an answer. Care to give
it a shot, twistie? Toll? Train? Jay? Skipp? Anybody? Oh, I forgot,
a lot of you are already hams...
Twistedhed
"When you realize there is no such thing as "ham" status, (except among
each other) it may come to you."
Train
> From: fgi...@tincan.org (Sparky)
> wa...@aol.com (Wavle) wrote in message
> news:<20011105171007...@mb-fx.aol.com>...
> I hesitate to involve myself myself in this but I ask: as easy as it is
> to upgrade to "ham" status these days, why not just do it?
>
> That's a very good question that has been asked countless times, but
> nobody seems to be willing to provide an answer. Care to give it a shot,
> twistie? Toll? Train?
Been there........Done that!
Too many arrogant assholes for my liking. When the holier than thou wankers
and stuffed shirt ticket buyers go away or die off I might condsider going
back.........Until that time comes I'll just remain the scurge of the hams
by helping out the CB'rs.
Train
Landshark
"Linears and Freebanders are looters".
Buster puts up a very good response and this
is the answer. I say, become an FCC official and
you can come out here and try to bust all the people
you want, until then you can do nothing other than
try to troll.
Thanks, but no thanks Dinky,
Landshark
"Aaron H. Voobner" <voo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fbc7a2.011105...@posting.google.com...
Aaron H. Voobner
> Again, he use(s) this to put an "Illegal" spin,
>"Linears and Freebanders are looters".
>Buster puts up a very good response
Well Duh! Of course you feel Buster's response is preferable! It says
radio piracy and rulebreaking is a minor offense in comparison to
crimes like child beating. (Even pickpockets can find solace with that
excuse)
> and this
>is the answer. I say, become an FCC official and
>you can come out here and try to bust all the people
>you want, until then you can do nothing other than
>try to troll.
No thanks bunky. Don't have no FCC authority and don't want none.
-Aaron-
Landshark
> Landshark" S3B...@SBCGloboil.Net wrote:
> > Again, he use(s) this to put an "Illegal" spin,
> >"Linears and Freebanders are looters".
> >Buster puts up a very good response
>
> Well Duh! Of course you feel Buster's response is preferable!
Correct, I do
>It says
> radio piracy and rulebreaking is a minor offense in comparison to
> crimes like child beating. (Even pickpockets can find solace with that
> excuse)
>
You say that child beating should take a backseat to
breaking FCC rules??? You are truly a sick person,
you would rather see a CB'r busted over a child beater,
murder, rape suspect being prosecuted, shows what kind
of small troll like world you live in.
> > and this
> >is the answer. I say, become an FCC official and
> >you can come out here and try to bust all the people
> >you want, until then you can do nothing other than
> >try to troll.
>
> No thanks bunky. Don't have no FCC authority and don't >want none.
Sure you do, you know you want to be able to go up
and say "Hum, Dwight from the FCC, I am here to confiscate
your equipment and give you a NAL. All the while in the
background someone is getting robbed, drunk driver killing
a person in the cross walk, more important crimes happening, yup, you have a
great life.
>
> -Aaron-
Landshark
Richard McCollum
"Train" <cbm...@optonlineNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:jnTF7.44982$D7.10...@news02.optonline.net...
>
>
> Been there........Done that!
> Too many arrogant assholes for my liking. When the holier than thou
wankers
> back.........Until that time comes I'll just remain the scourge of the
hams
> by helping out the CB'rs.
> Train
I'll help anyone with an interest in radio, try to prevent the stupid, and
make my views on the illegal known and back off. Why don't I feel scourged?
What is the sense in making it sound as if there is some sort of inherent
conflict?
Dick NØBK
Brainbuster
^
^ <snipped>
----
Lets get straight to the main points... You say:
1. CBers using CB provide cover for terrorists to use it.
2. They will hear each other over the noise, but nobody else will.
3. You "suspect" they use CB for local comms.
4. Terrorists use handhelds.
4. Only terrorists would understand their language.
5. Terrorists also use all other forms of communication.
You seem to have more "knowledge" about terrorist activities than the FBI, I
would be interested to know what experience you base this "knowledge" on.
To try using a large KW signal as cover for a small hand held signal could be
so effective that they would get a greater range from their voices... without
any extra comms tools. Have you tried "talking over" two very powerful
signals using handheld CBs???
To pull off a timed "action" requires a clear, private, and reliable
communication system, not the "hit or miss" of CB.
But, let's face it, if they can hear each other, then someone else could hear
them. So, this leads to the question of "who would understand their
language"....
Do you believe that ALL people from the middle east are terrorists?
Maybe you think that all Muslims are terrorists, or support the murder of
innocent people.
Most Muslims condemned the attack, and hate terrorism. Many of these people
could also end up as victims in a terrorist attack, Bin Laden would not warn
every one of them before an attack.
The terrorists could not assume that anyone speaking their language would
support their actions, because most would not.
The only way to cure what YOU see as the "cover" problem would be to stop
using the frequencies totally... But as you say they also use ALL other types
of comms. The level of use of these services makes a terrorist message like
a needle in a haystack.
So public use of telephones, post, internet, e-mail, and newsgroups
would also need to be stopped. Even newspaper "ads" could be used to pass
coded messages, so this would have to stop.
Do you believe that Americans should let these people terrorise them back to
the stone age??
Regards,
Brainbuster.
---
Multiple posts of the same message provide great cover for secret terrorist
messages in newsgroups.
JJ
it.
PipeDreams
<Mopar...@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in message
news:20011107001402.255$Z...@newsreader.com...
> JJ <radio...@mailcity.com> wrote:
> > Illegal is illegal is illegal no matter what spin you try put on
> > it.
> >
>
> --
> -Moparholic
Typical criminal mentality, speeding is not a criminal offense nor is
running a red light. But being a smacked ass is a criminal offese Moped so
you better watch you may be indited.
>
> "Keep on Rockin,in the free world".
> -Neil Young.
Landshark
the BBC would broadcast to partisans secret
messages. Like Aaron has a long tail, people in
pa have leaking trailer homes, so each message
meant some thing to certain partisan cells.
So maybe that deodorant commercial has
a secret message or restaurant or rug shops
ad has secret messages.
Landshark
"Brainbuster" <br...@buster.com> wrote in message
news:9sab9o$iq5$3...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Leland C. Scott <ab...@cotse.net> wrote in message
> news:r7LE7.52$8T.1...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net...
> So public use of telephones, post, internet, e-mail, and >newsgroups would
also need to be stopped. Even newspaper >"ads" could be used to pass coded
messages, so this would >have to stop.
>
>
>
>
Brainbuster
news:20011105171007...@mb-fx.aol.com...
> I hesitate to involve myself myself in this but I ask: as easy as it is to
> upgrade to "ham" status these days, why not just do it?
They are two separate hobbies, with different uses.
A CBer is a CBer.... not a "Ham wannabe". Many CBers just want to yak, they
do not care about the technical side of radio or electronics... so the Ham
bands would NOT suit their needs.
Many CBers are also "hams", but still use CB for it's intended purpose...
yakkin'.
Some CBers are ex-hams, who found that the Ham bands were not want they
really wanted. Some have said that they found many Hams to be rather less
helpful than CBers (I know, Dick.... not all Hams).
Some CBers are electronic engineers, and also use CB for yakkin... as they
get all the technical playing they want while at work.
The term "upgrade to ham" could be taken to mean "we Hams are better than
you", and is ignoring the basic fact that the two hobbies are different. Why
do some people still believe that a CBer is a "Ham wannabe", and not just a
CBer.
So, some CBers have moved to Ham, but many of those stick with CB also, or
return to CB. If CB was just a step on the way to Amateur, then there would
not be so many using both services, or returning to CB.
But if you mean to get away from the "idiots" and "Trolls", then you should
consider that many of the "Trolls" on this ng are *NOT* CBers, and some are
"Hams". Ham radio is not supposed to be an "idiot-free CB" service.... it
isn't even "idiot-free".
Regards,
Brainbuster.
---
Brainbuster
> Again, he use this to put an "Illegal" spin,
> "Linears and Freebanders are looters".
> Buster puts up a very good response and this
> is the answer. I say, become an FCC official and
> you can come out here and try to bust all the people
> you want, until then you can do nothing other than
> try to troll.
Hi Sharkmeister.
I notice that Aaron still has a problem understanding "blocked sender". I
only see his replies when someone includes it in their reply.
If he looks more carefully, he may notice that I do **NOT** claim breaking
laws to be OK. At *NO* point do I say that I only obey certain laws. He
would notice from my other posts that I use a *legal* UK CB, with
*no* extra frequencies, and *no* RF amp (rx or tx). Even my antenna is
within the latest spec.
But then again, he only sees what suits him. There's none so blind....
All I said was that I find it impossible to get fired up over undectected
crimes which have no official figures to show that they harm anyone, when
there are children out there suffering pain and a slow painful death that we
could only imagine the horror of.
If I get inteference from an illegal transmitter, I am very capable of
dealing with it myself, deciding what needs to be done, and reporting it to
the "RIS" if I feel it really necessary.
I do NOT need someone like Aaron to keep "lookout", or to bother *possible*
offenders for me. I feel quite sure that most adults would also feel that
they do not need "looking after" by someone like "Aaron".
Oh, and I mentioned shooting serious child abusers in the head.... that soon
got Aaron "fired up".... but **NOT** to agree!!!!
No doubt Aaron has his reasons for getting stressed out by such an idea, but
I really wouldn't like to make any guesses about what these reasons are.
Brainbuster.
---
PipeDreams
in Frisco are Fags It all make sense.
"Landshark" <S3B...@SBCGloboil.Net> wrote in message
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Leland C. Scott
"Twistedhed" <twist...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:23765-3BE...@storefull-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Making a meaningful dent in the wide spread violation of Part 95 rules
here may need that same level of deterent.....
Hey you could be real lucky and find yourself first in line.
--
73's de,
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL member
NCI member
"Yup, I just got me another bite on my trolling line,
so Twistehed squeals on the hook how he's
too small, and begs to throw him back in
the Florida swamp to swim among the
carp, rotting jock straps, and other
sewage, while he dreams about
talking to saucer men
on the Freeband."
Landshark
Landshark
"Brainbuster" <br...@buster.com> wrote in message
news:9sc4ub$4gk$3...@chilli.nntp.netline.net.uk...
Landshark
Ah, but agreeing with someone that is
braking the law in his eyes is just as guilty.
It's called guilt by association.
Landshark
"Brainbuster" <br...@buster.com> wrote in message
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Scott (WMC-69)
>
> Typical criminal mentality, speeding is not a criminal offense nor is
> running a red light.
Maybe you should read the back of a ticket. It clearly states that one is
being charged with a crime. Crime, criminal. Very similar sounding words.
PipeDreams
offense, nor is running a red light.
"Scott (WMC-69)" <upp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3BEA77C7...@hotmail.com...
Twistedhed
Date: Wed, Nov 7, 2001, 9:41pm (EST+5) From: ab...@cotse.net
Making a meaningful dent in the wide spread violation of Part 95 rules
in their "war on drugs", i.e. the shoot the dealers in the head. Dead
dealers can't get out of jail, and or pay their fines, and get back in
to business once again.
--
KC8LDO
ARRL Member
NCI Member....
--
Hey you could be real lucky and find yourself first in line.
squeals on the hook how he's too small, and begs to throw him back in
the Florida swamp to swim among the
carp, rotting jock straps, and other
sewage, while he dreams about
talking to saucer men
on the Freeband.
73's de,
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL member
NCI member
--
My, but that anger problem is like a monkey on your back. Look, 'Nad,
you embarassed yourself by carrying on about Bin Laden using cb in the
freeband, I just pointed out it was the ravings of a semi-mildly
challenged adult in need of anger management instruction. Claiming you
monitor terrorists and that you know so much about their communications
is one thing, but to make the statement that cbers should be shot in the
head for something you don't agree with cements not only your position
toward cbers but your state of mind as well. You must admit, my thoughts
on the matter of illegal cb provoke such profound reaction from you, so
much as to the point that your anger prompted a post that may be
construed as a genuine threat of violence by some. Nevertheless, you are
keenly aware of my level of concern toward you. Heretic impotence
instills no fear. In addition, my ability to make you react the way you
do and almost on cue simply by my view of cb is in direct contradiction
of the accolades you have attributed me in the past. Get some rest.
JJ
Mopar...@hotmailnospam.com wrote:
>
> JJ <radio...@mailcity.com> wrote:
> > Illegal is illegal is illegal no matter what spin you try put on
> > it.
> >
Well, like anyone who drives, I have on occasion but not
intentionally, and I don't go out every day determined to do so,
unlike cbers who are determined to operate illegally.
Landshark
You can honestly say, that you didn't get in
the car running late and go "Damn" I'm
late. Start driving down the road in a
hurry to get to that doctors appointment,
pick up the child, date whatever, you didn't
do that intentionally?
Don't get me wrong, there is a difference
and I'm not trying to flame you, but to run
around here crying criminal, well would you
do the same in a car or truck newsgroup if
they were talking about modification to by
pass smog, make the exhaust louder. Would
you go to the DSS hack group and complain, I
mean that cost those companies millions every year
and I don't see these guys there, nor do I see much
people whining about snitching to the FCC.
Take care,
Landshark
"JJ" <radi...@mailcity.net> wrote in message
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Landshark
Actually very well written Twist. I do think
he is trying to say we must live in a Nazi style
state, where there is no trial by a jury of your
pears and you should be shot for out of banding
and the ever present littering. Boy think of it,
the crime rate would drop, we can all run around
in brown shirted uniforms, carrying guns, shooting
people for j-walking, littering, talking on the cell
phone while driving etc etc. Yup, when that happens
I want to become a mortician, I will be a very rich
person.
Landshark
"Twistedhed" <twist...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19569-3B...@storefull-125.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Group: rec.radio.cb
Date: Wed, Nov 7, 2001, 9:41pm (EST+5) From: ab...@cotse.net
(Leland C. Scott) KC8LDO wrote:
Making a meaningful dent in the wide spread violation of Part 95 rules
here may need that same level of deterent used by some other countries
in their "war on drugs", i.e. the shoot the dealers in the head. Dead
dealers can't get out of jail, and or pay their fines, and get back in
to business once again.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL Member
NCI Member....
--
Landshark
they did, then his and Aaron's, Leland's and Sparky's
accusations of people would be null and void(which it
is). Sparky should know, he went to criminal court
for a littering ticket. Yes your right, if you read the
fine print it say's "In lieu of bail, your signature is a
promissory to appear in court , before a judge in
this criminal matter"
But alas, they will keep trolling, I recommend you
kill file who you don't want to see it's been quite
better since I did.
Landshark
"Scott (WMC-69)" <upp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3BEA77C7...@hotmail.com...
Sparky
A moving violation is usually called an 'infraction', and that's
what's printed on the tickets in WA (ask me how I know).
PipeDreams
"Landshark" <S3B...@SBCGloboil.Net> wrote in message news:vVxG7.21647
> Don't get me wrong, there is a difference
> and I'm not trying to flame you, but to run
> around here crying criminal, well would you
> do the same in a car or truck newsgroup if
> they were talking about modification to by
> pass smog, make the exhaust louder.
If noise pollution bothered him perhaps he would go in that group and
complain. But it's not he is bothered by illegal Cbers. Do you excpect the
AKC to be tha saviour of the world and go to every nrewsgroup and point out
infractions.?
>Would
> you go to the DSS hack group and complain, I
> mean that cost those companies millions every year
> and I don't see these guys there, nor do I see much
> people whining about snitching to the FCC.
>
> Take care,
> Landshark
This is the typical criminal excuse, Hey officer why you usting me for drugs
there are murders happening, rapists on the prowl. Isn't my cirme less
important than those crimes. Wrong Place wrong time.
,
Aaron H. Voobner
> Sorry Scott they will never agree. Because if
> they did, then his and Aaron's, Leland's and Sparky's
> accusations of people would be null and void(which it
> is). Sparky should know, he went to criminal court
> for a littering ticket. Yes your right, if you read the
> fine print it say's "In lieu of bail, your signature is a
> promissory to appear in court , before a judge in
> this criminal matter"
No matter how you spin it Sharkey, defying FCC rules is breaking
federal law. It is also thumbing your nose at your CB neighbors.
Neither one is nice. Both are selfish and antisocial. When you start
splitting hairs about the definition of the word "crime" it's a sure
sign of a guilty conscience seeking an excuse.
-Aaron-
Train
difficult in this day and age!
Train
"Landshark" <S3B...@SBCGloboil.Net> wrote in message
news:wVxG7.21651$gg2.4068515952@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
Landshark
your wrong. You are not breaking federal laws part 47,
until the FCC has sent a NAL, warned you a number
of times, forwarded a notice to the Federal District
attorney under rules part 97.
As far the anti-social crap, you are the one being
anti-social. You hide under an assumed name, post
things that purposely inflame people, and cause nothing
but hate. So you are the selfish anti-social person, that's
trying to hide behind an assumed name.
Spin-a-yarn,
Landshark
"Aaron H. Voobner" <voo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fbc7a2.011108...@posting.google.com...
Dave Hall
>
> No, matter how you spin it Aaron (whoever you are)
> your wrong. You are not breaking federal laws part 47,
> until the FCC has sent a NAL, warned you a number
> of times, forwarded a notice to the Federal District
> attorney under rules part 97.
So, you claim that a law is only broken if you're caught? That's plain
and simply crazy. The minute you ignore the law, you are comitting a
crime. Whether or not you get caught, will determine whether or not
you'll actually get punished for it. But the "crime" is committed the
second you do something against the established rule.
> As far the anti-social crap, you are the one being
> anti-social. You hide under an assumed name,
There is no hard evidence that Aaron is an "assumed" name. Because you
may "think" it, does not necessarily make it so.
> post things that purposely inflame people, and cause nothing
> but hate.
If someone telling you, you're a crook, is inflammatory, then I hope he
does it some more. If the truth bothers you, you should do something to
change it.
I can't believe the lengths that some people go to try to spin their way
out of the truth. Trying to justify it by making claims that "other
people do it", or that "it doesn't hurt anyone", or that "If you speed,
you are just as bad, so you have no room to tell me I'm breaking the
law", or "the law is wrong, and should be changed, so I feel justified
in breaking it".
This country works as well as is has due to our system of laws. If a
proposal is deemed to be beneficial by the majority of the populous, it
is voted into law. You have an obligation to follow that law, or suffer
the consequences. You can lobby to change the law, but if you cannot
convince the powers that be, that a change is justifiable, then you're
STILL obligated to follow it.
Arbitrarily ignoring selected laws leads to anarchy. Something that is
disruptive to society. While infractions of small laws may appear to
have little or no impact, it leads to further rationalization for
breaking more and more laws.
Be glad you don't live in a totalitarian state where you have no rights,
and the local cops can shoot you on sight for law infractions. Living in
a country that embraces freedom, also comes with the equivilent
responsibility to follow the will of the people or face the penalties.
People that ignore this basic principle, are contributors to the demise
of our society.
So don't complain when people shoot up schools, steal cars, rape and
kill people, steal you identity etc. While these are certainly more
serious crimes than operating a Citizens Band radio illegally, the
principle is the same.
Dave
"Sandbagger"
Landshark
"Dave Hall" <nojunkma...@worldlynx.net> wrote in message
news:3BEBE8...@worldlynx.net...
> Landshark wrote:
> >
> > No, matter how you spin it Aaron (whoever you are)
> > your wrong. You are not breaking federal laws part 47,
> > until the FCC has sent a NAL, warned you a number
> > of times, forwarded a notice to the Federal District
> > attorney under rules part 97.
>
> So, you claim that a law is only broken if you're caught? That's plain
> and simply crazy. The minute you ignore the law, you are comitting a
> crime. Whether or not you get caught, will determine whether or not
> you'll actually get punished for it. But the "crime" is committed the
> second you do something against the established rule.
No Dave, that's not what I said. You have not broken
any law until they charge you with violation part 47.
Then, and only then do you go before a federal magistrate.
Anything before that is going before an FCC commission,
which can ask you to cease and desist, bring you equipment
in for inspection, issue a NAL.
>
> > As far the anti-social crap, you are the one being
> > anti-social. You hide under an assumed name,
>
> There is no hard evidence that Aaron is an "assumed" name. Because you
> may "think" it, does not necessarily make it so.
>
Now Dave, you usually post some pretty level headed
statements, but if you truly believe that it is his real name.....
> > post things that purposely inflame people, and cause nothing
> > but hate.
>
> If someone telling you, you're a crook, is inflammatory, then I >hope he
> does it some more. If the truth bothers you, you should do >something to
> change it.
>
All right, do you post in any other groups? As said before
say you post in a auto group. Now they discuss all the time
about how to get more horse power, brighter lights,
where to race, how fast they can go, if you started going
on a rampage concerning these issues, do you think they
would get upset? Of course they would, the same goes here.
If they operate out of bands use a linear, you take a chance,
but to run around and call people criminals, it's strictly
for a troll value they wouldn't do that in those groups.
Hell even on the amateur groups if someone post that
type of info all they do is tell them it's illegal, they don't
go on a tirade and start calling them criminals.
Ok, I won't if you don't. Seriously, those are good values
but the wrong forum for it. If you have serious concerns for
the cb band I recommend that you take notes, names,
addresses, times, places, report it all to the proper authorities.
They themselves recommend that you are not to confront these
individuals, let the proper officials handle it.
There has been crime for hundreds of years in the USA,
murders, rapes, drunk drivers, theft, burglary, robbery etc etc
To say that disobeying selective laws will cause anarchy,
man this country should be a Taliban nation by now then.
People have and will break laws, and as such if caught
they will pay what ever the price is.
This is all my opinion, as is yours is above, so please
let not start a flame fest.
Take care,
Landshark
Twistedhed
No, matter how you spin it Aaron (whoever you
are) your wrong. You are not breaking federal laws part 47, until the
FCC has sent a NAL, warned you a number of times, forwarded a notice to
the Federal District attorney under rules part 97.
and simply crazy. The minute you ignore the law, you are comitting a
crime.
"Wrong, "Herr multi-nic".
A newspaper can rightfully be sued if they were to write that a perp
"committed" any crime before a conviction in a court of law."
Whether or not you get caught, will determine whether or not you'll
actually get punished for it.
"Wrong again. Whether you are found guilty dtermines legally whether you
committed the act or not."
But the "crime" is committed the second you do something against the
established rule.
"Argumentative, at best. Infraction of rules is not necessarily a
crime."
As far the anti-social crap, you are the one being
anti-social. You hide under an assumed name
There is no hard evidence that Aaron is an "assumed" name. Because you
may "think" it, does not necessarily make it so.
"Most are not as gullible and impressionable as you."
post things that purposely inflame people, and cause nothing but hate.
If someone telling you, you're a crook, is inflammatory, then I hope he
does it some more. If the truth bothers you, you should do something to
change it.
"Well, you certtainly have your ways. You go lay down, lick your wounds,
and return under yet another phony alias."
I can't believe the lengths that some people go to try to spin their way
out of the truth.
"I know just what you mean. Lelnad attacks me and tells me how the feds
bust cbers left and right and when I ask him to support his claim with a
media confirmation anywhere, he tries to spin his way from it by calling
names and changing the subject and telling me to go get proof in the
hammie room. The audacity, huh?"
Trying to justify it by making claims that "other people do it", or that
"it doesn't hurt anyone", or that "If you speed, you are just as bad, so
you have no room to tell me I'm breaking the law", or "the law is wrong,
and should be changed, so I feel justified in breaking it".
This country works as well as is has due to our system of laws. If a
proposal is deemed to be beneficial by the majority of the populous, it
is voted into law. You have an obligation to follow that law, or suffer
the consequences.
"Exactly, and you have no control over those consequences and it pisses
you off to no end."
You can lobby to change the law, but if you cannot convince the powers
that be, that a change is justifiable, then you're STILL obligated to
follow it.
"No, we can choose to suffer the consequences after carefully weighing
the odds, remember?"
Arbitrarily ignoring selected laws leads to anarchy.
Something that is disruptive to society. While infractions of small
laws may appear to have little or no impact, it leads to further
rationalization for breaking more and more laws.
"And softer drugs lead to harder ones, right?"
Be glad you don't live in a totalitarian state where you have no rights,
"Most of us are glad. It's your type who have a problem fitting in and
being accepted. You want the world to do your work for you while you
peer from behind lace curtains in your dainty, little yellow cottage
surrounded by armed guards and barbed wire fence."
and the local cops can shoot you on sight for law infractions.
"My, my, but this familiar theme is ever so popuar among the confused
and double digit IQ brigade."
Living in a country that embraces freedom, also comes with the
equivilent responsibility to follow the will of the people or face the
penalties.
You are getting to be redundant
and are repeating yourself.
Please do not allow your inability to control your emotions to cloud
your somewhat already marred judgements and beliefs."
People that ignore this basic principle, are contributors to the demise
of our society.
So don't complain when people shoot up schools, steal cars, rape and
kill people, steal you identity etc.
"You are a real gem and boon to mankind with that also familiar theme of
comparing
one who doesn't recycle their aluminum cans properly to violent
criminals, but you already know how valued your esteem is around here."
While these are certainly more serious crimes than operating a Citizens
Band radio illegally,
"Ya' think?"
the principle is the same.
"Yas, it is. You ruined every nic you use, lie your heathen brethren
few."
Dave
"Sandbagger"
Aaron H. Voobner
> > and simply crazy. The minute you ignore the law, you are comitting a
> > crime. Whether or not you get caught, will determine whether or not
> > you'll actually get punished for it. But the "crime" is committed the
> > second you do something against the established rule.
>
> No Dave, that's not what I said. You have not broken
> any law until they charge you with violation part 47.
> Then, and only then do you go before a federal magistrate.
> Anything before that is going before an FCC commission,
> which can ask you to cease and desist, bring you equipment
> in for inspection, issue a NAL.
Okay, how's this for an example. You set up a 5 million watt
transmitter in your car to broadcast profanity on 27.999 Mhz. You
invite 30 FCC agents and officals to sit in a specially-built
grandstand in a public park and watch you do it. You even set up huge
projection screens to display live video closeups of field strength
meters and frequency meters. At the end of the demonstration, you
take off, leaving no trail. According to you, no laws have been
broken?
> > > As far the anti-social crap, you are the one being
> > > anti-social. You hide under an assumed name,
> >
> > There is no hard evidence that Aaron is an "assumed" name. Because you
> > may "think" it, does not necessarily make it so.
> >
>
> Now Dave, you usually post some pretty level headed
> statements, but if you truly believe that it is his real name.....
I told you - it is. Speaking of real names, Landshark, any reason why
we don't see yours?
> If you have serious concerns for
> the cb band I recommend that you take notes, names,
> addresses, times, places, report it all to the proper authorities.
Wow, you still think there's "no crime until you're caught". Where
did you get these values, Landshark?
> They themselves recommend that you are not to confront these
> individuals, let the proper officials handle it.
> There has been crime for hundreds of years in the USA,
> murders, rapes, drunk drivers, theft, burglary, robbery etc etc
> To say that disobeying selective laws will cause anarchy,
> man this country should be a Taliban nation by now then.
Who decides which laws will not be obeyed? You?
> People have and will break laws, and as such if caught
> they will pay what ever the price is.
So it all depends on "if you stand a chance of getting caught"?
Criminal thinking.
>
> This is all my opinion, as is yours is above, so please
> let not start a flame fest.
In other words, it's OK for you to promote lawbreaking, but it's a
"flame fest" if anyone challenges your beliefs.
-Aaron-
Dave Hall
>
> From: nojunkma...@worldlynx.net (Dave Hall)
> Landshark wrote:
> No, matter how you spin it Aaron (whoever you
> are) your wrong. You are not breaking federal laws part 47, until the
> FCC has sent a NAL, warned you a number of times, forwarded a notice to
> the Federal District attorney under rules part 97.
> --
> So, you claim that a law is only broken if you're caught? That's plain
> and simply crazy. The minute you ignore the law, you are comitting a
> crime.
>
> "Wrong, "Herr multi-nic".
Multi-nic? Ah, now you think *I*'m yet another reincarnation of Aaron.
That's silly.
> A newspaper can rightfully be sued if they were to write that a perp
> "committed" any crime before a conviction in a court of law."
True, but *YOU* know the minute you key up that radio with more than the
legal power, that you're breaking the law. YOU know you've comitted a
crime. Sitting back and thinking "wow" I got away with it one more time,
I'm the man!" does not diminish the criminal nature of your actions, no
matter what the circumstances, or how you want to spin it.
>
> But the "crime" is committed the second you do something against the
> established rule.
>
> "Argumentative, at best. Infraction of rules is not necessarily a
> crime."
Then what would YOU call it?
>
> As far the anti-social crap, you are the one being
> anti-social. You hide under an assumed name
>
> There is no hard evidence that Aaron is an "assumed" name. Because you
> may "think" it, does not necessarily make it so.
>
> "Most are not as gullible and impressionable as you."
Unlike many of you, I give people the benefit of the doubt. I have seen
no hard evidence that suggests that Aaron is anyone other than he says
he is. You may want, for your own reasons, to think otherwise, but it'll
never be more than a supposition.
No, I guess many are like you and assume that everyone that dares stand
up for what's right is automatically Aaron under another name.
>
> post things that purposely inflame people, and cause nothing but hate.
> If someone telling you, you're a crook, is inflammatory, then I hope he
> does it some more. If the truth bothers you, you should do something to
> change it.
>
> "Well, you certtainly have your ways. You go lay down, lick your wounds,
> and return under yet another phony alias."
I'd like to see your evidence supporting that position. Believe me, I'm
not Aaron
>
> I can't believe the lengths that some people go to try to spin their way
> out of the truth.
>
> "I know just what you mean. Lelnad attacks me and tells me how the feds
> bust cbers left and right and when I ask him to support his claim with a
> media confirmation anywhere, he tries to spin his way from it by calling
> names and changing the subject and telling me to go get proof in the
> hammie room. The audacity, huh?"
The FCC does routinely bust radio operators. Look on the FCC.gov site,
and there is a section that published their activities. They are
certainly not busting enough people, but at least some are being made
examples of.
>
> Trying to justify it by making claims that "other people do it", or that
> "it doesn't hurt anyone", or that "If you speed, you are just as bad, so
> you have no room to tell me I'm breaking the law", or "the law is wrong,
> and should be changed, so I feel justified in breaking it".
> This country works as well as is has due to our system of laws. If a
> proposal is deemed to be beneficial by the majority of the populous, it
> is voted into law. You have an obligation to follow that law, or suffer
> the consequences.
>
> "Exactly, and you have no control over those consequences and it pisses
> you off to no end."
No it doesn't "piss me off". Saddens is more accurate. To see a
generation of people growing up without a solid moral background, who
think nothing of ignoring regulations, and see nothing the least bit
wrong with it.
>
> You can lobby to change the law, but if you cannot convince the powers
> that be, that a change is justifiable, then you're STILL obligated to
> follow it.
>
> "No, we can choose to suffer the consequences after carefully weighing
> the odds, remember?"
It's time for "the consequences" to rachet up a few notches. Maybe
that'll wake some people up.
>
> Arbitrarily ignoring selected laws leads to anarchy.
> Something that is disruptive to society. While infractions of small
> laws may appear to have little or no impact, it leads to further
> rationalization for breaking more and more laws.
>
> "And softer drugs lead to harder ones, right?"
That's been proven both in theory and in practice. It applies just as
well when you apply it to ignoring rules. The more you get away with the
more chances you'll take. That's human nature when you have no
conscience.
>
> Be glad you don't live in a totalitarian state where you have no rights,
>
> "Most of us are glad. It's your type who have a problem fitting in and
> being accepted. You want the world to do your work for you while you
> peer from behind lace curtains in your dainty, little yellow cottage
> surrounded by armed guards and barbed wire fence."
That makes no sense. If by "fitting in" you mean that I abandon my
morals and principles and become like those who promote existentialism,
hedonism and declining moral values, then i prefer to not "fit in". But
what does that have to do with work? I do my own work.
> "You are a real gem and boon to mankind with that also familiar theme of
> comparing
> one who doesn't recycle their aluminum cans properly to violent
> criminals, but you already know how valued your esteem is around here."
No, I don't. Why don't you tell me what my esteem is worth, since you
have absolutely NO idea who I am.
>
> While these are certainly more serious crimes than operating a Citizens
> Band radio illegally,
>
> "Ya' think?"
>
> the principle is the same.
>
> "Yas, it is. You ruined every nic you use, lie your heathen brethren
> few."
It doesn't change the facts no matter how much you try to kill the
messenger(s).
Dave
"sandbagger"
Sparky
Hi Dave,
Great post. But remember that you are talking with people that
justify their illegal behavior by claiming that the CFR and USC,
or just the parts that apply to them, are not really laws. Don't
bother them with the truth of the matter, because the entire
argument is based in logical fallacies, and they have a greater
passion for freebanding and amps than they do for rational thought.
D. P. Roberts
> proposal is deemed to be beneficial by the majority of the populous, it
> is voted into law. You have an obligation to follow that law, or suffer
I used to listen to cellular. Then one day it was made "illegal" to
monitor. Nothing really changed in the world except that some
Big Money changed hands and all of a sudden I was made a "criminal"
even though I did nothing different.
Scott (WMC-69)
Sparky
It was always illegal to monitor, you just didn't know it. The
scanners were changed because too much other crime was happening
as a result of monitoring cells, like stalking and fraud. It still
happens, but not as much.
Leland C. Scott
"Twistedhed" <twist...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:19569-3B...@storefull-125.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
My, my Twisted you just can't resist responding to anything I write. I bet you a while back that you could stop replying to my posts and sure enough you can't. And that was after shooting off your month about how you don't care about what others say or do. So you still collecting jock straps and talking to "saucer men" on the Freeband?
--
73's de,
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL member
NCI member
"Yup, I just got me another bite on my trolling line,
so Twistedhed squeals on the hook how he's
Brainbuster
news:20011108175222.733$H...@news.newsreader.com...
>
> Do you excpect the AKC to be tha saviour of the world
It's only the "AKC" that see themselves this way.
The rest of us know what to expect, which is why we use killfiles on certain
"AKCs". Insults, profanity, false accusations, multiple posting of a
message, and sexual innuendos are certainly not going to save the world
from anything.
Such posts suggest that the "pro-legal" issue is not the persons main
concern... just a smoke screen for "Trolling" or a personal hatred for CBers
in general.
Such tactics give the term "legal CB" a bad name.
When a newbie joins the group, and wants to know about whether to run amps or
not, who will he listen to...
1. A bunch of foul mouthed a$$wipes with bad attitudes,
or
2. Helpful people with a friendly attitude.
It is possible to be "pro-legal, without being in group 1. This is proved by
certain people on this group, who are clearly in favour of legal radio use,
but are also friendly and helpful.
Once you get blocked by someone, you lose the chance to debate the issue with
them, and so lose any hope of changing their view on illegal CB.
If this doesn't bother an "AKC", then it is clear that the "pro-legal"
message is nothing more than a smokescreen for newsgroup Trolling.
But then, considering the following:
1. There are many more CBers on CB than on this ng.
2. Many on here are "Hams", and not CBers.
3. Of the CBers here, only some are "illegal" CBers.
4. Of the very few illegal CBers here, very very few are close enough to
actually be a problem to you, or any other "AKC".
5. Of those "illegal" CBers, NONE are changing their views.
I find it impossible to believe that the time some "AKCs" spend on here is
of any use other than for Trolling value.
Regards,
Brainbuster.
---
I was thinking about how people seem to read the Bible a whole lot more as
they get older, then it dawned on me .. they're cramming for their final
exam.
Brainbuster
>
> Sure you do, you know you want to be able to go up
> and say "Hum, Dwight from the FCC, I am here to confiscate
> your equipment and give you a NAL. All the while in the
> background someone is getting robbed, drunk driver killing
> a person in the cross walk, more important crimes happening, yup, you have
> a great life.
===
Hi Landshark.
I don't believe that he would like to work for the FCC.... He would have to
work within the rules, and he would require proof before accusing people.
Regards,
Brainbuster.
---
The Vikings first raided Britain in the 8th century, now notoriously known as
looters.
bbc.co.uk
Brainbuster
> You forgot the radio IE: Remember during WWII
> the BBC would broadcast to partisans secret
> messages. Like Aaron has a long tail, people in
> pa have leaking trailer homes, so each message
> meant some thing to certain partisan cells.
> So maybe that deodorant commercial has
> a secret message or restaurant or rug shops
> ad has secret messages.
===
O O
I could even
be sending you
a
secret message
h i d d e n in this
p o s t
and w h o would
e
v
e
n
notice
?
This post looks j u s t like
any
other message.
O O
PS. Remember to set text size before using the card.
Brainbuster.
--
Brainbuster
> From: fgi...@tincan.org (Sparky)
> wa...@aol.com (Wavle) wrote in message
> news:<20011105171007...@mb-fx.aol.com>...
> I hesitate to involve myself myself in this but I ask: as easy as it is
> to upgrade to "ham" status these days, why not just do it?
>
> That's a very good question that has been asked countless times, but
> nobody seems to be willing to provide an answer. Care to give it a shot,
> twistie? Toll? Train? Jay? Skipp? Anybody? Oh, I forgot, a lot of you
> are already hams...
>
> "When you realize there is no such thing as "ham" status, (except among
> each other) it may come to you."
===
I wouldn't bet on it coming to him.
This "upgrade" attitude is a by-product of the misconception that either "Ham
radio" is an upgraded CB, or that CB is a lower grade "Ham" service.
This delusion leads the person to the mistaken belief that every CBer is just
a "Ham wannabe".
This is probably what has lead to the lowering of the "Ham" entry
requirements both in the US, and UK. People thinking that all CBers want to
be "hams".
The answers are within their reach, but they have their eyes shut. Until
these people open their eyes, they will never see that which stares them in
the face.
Regards.
Brainbuster.
--
When I got up this morning I took two Ex-Lax in addition to my Prozac. I
can't get off the john, but I feel good about it.
Richard McCollum
"Brainbuster" <br...@buster.com> wrote in message
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Nicely said.
Sparky
It's not suprising to see the same old diversionary tactics employed
here. The jist of the original question, while maybe not precise in
terminology, was: If licenses are so easy to get, why don't they
just get one?
And it's also not suprising that the question has once again been
left unanswered.
Brainbuster
news:23764-3BE...@storefull-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
^ Thanks for the tip. Now
^ where did I put that division number chart?
==
Over here, people are dumping AM / SSB only (no FM) radios.
Think of the money they could make if, instead of dumping them in the bin...
they sold them to Bin.... lol.
==
^ My favorite bumpersticker:
^ Too bad ignorance isn't painful.
==
Maybe it is painful. With how much screaming the Trolls are
doing, something must be hurting.
Regards,
Brainbuster.
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Brainbuster
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> fgi...@tincan.org (Sparky) wrote:
> > It was always illegal to monitor, you just didn't know it. The
> > scanners were changed because too much other crime was happening
> > as a result of monitoring cells, like stalking and fraud. It still
> > happens, but not as much.
> >
---
Hi Moparholic.
So people who have no respect for laws regarding stalking or fraud, and no
fear of getting caught and punished for these are scared s***less that they
may get caught listening on a scanner.
Makes nearly as much sense as a bendy rubber nail.
Surely the only time you could get accused of listening, is when you are
already accused of a more serious crime where you *could* have obtained the
information by that method.
It must be almost impossible to prove that someone listened to a
transmission... there could be no physical evidence that the crime ever took
place... and certainly none to tie a person to the *alleged" crime.
So, what is the incredibly scary punishment for listening to these
services... a bullet in the head?
Brainbuster.
---
D. P. Roberts
Go to a law library. Most big cities should have one. Take a look at
the some four MILLION pages of laws. Then come back and tell me that
you aren't violating at least 100 of those laws RIGHT NOW. You break
so many laws every day that you should spend the rest of your life in
jail. Now what do you do?
Aaron H. Voobner
> Go to a law library. Most big cities should have one. Take a look at
> the some four MILLION pages of laws.
Because you yourself haven't read them, you assume they have something
to do with taking away the average mans rights.
They don't.
Among the 4 million pages in the law library are those covering
Administrative Law, Family Law, Real Property Law,
Bankruptcy/Debtor/Creditor Law, Health Law, Business and Corporate
Law, Intellectual Property Law, Commercial/Consumer Law, Labor Law,
Tax Law, Constitutional Law, Law Practice Management, Tort Law,
Criminal Law, Transportation Law, Environmental Law, Municipal Law,
Wills and Estates Law, and Ethics.
Perhaps you are thinking of the "Blue Laws" that are kept on some
states and communities books as a matter of "local tradition" such as
prohibitions against saddling horses on the Sabbath, etc. One could
hardly compare Federal Law with these.
> Then come back and tell me that
> you aren't violating at least 100 of those laws RIGHT NOW.
We're not.
> You break so many laws every day that you should spend the rest
> of your life in jail.
No, we don't. But you want people to think we do. So your CB
rulebreaking seems more acceptable.
> Now what do you do?
Be saddened by your ignorance.
-Aaron-
Leland C. Scott
<Mopar...@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in message news:20011110234332.667$X...@newsreader.com...
> "Leland C. Scott" <ab...@webtv.net> wrote:
> Look at your fucking sig file,dipshit...You haven't had enough of flaming
> CBer's...yet.
You want Twisted's position as the news group punch clown now? All you have to do is start claiming you talk to "saucer men" and collect "jock straps" on the wall. Or failing to criticaly read the sig file too.
And as far as my sig file goes it specifically mentions "Twistedhed", not you, nor CBers in general, but that could change if you want to complain about it any more. I wonder what I could think up using "Moparholic"? Hum, seems to rime with "Alcoholic", I'm sure I'll think up something good.
Since Twisted likes to waste so much of his time looking for old posts of mine, and others, to resurrect, for purposes which seems to elude even him, I though I would give him something fun to read when he finds them.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL Member
NCI Member
--
"We learn in time that it is not subjects which
are controversial, but the manner in which
we communicate about them and the
elements of personal blame we
add to them in anger."
Leland C. Scott
"Brainbuster" <br...@buster.com> wrote in message news:9sab9o$iq5$3...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Leland C. Scott <ab...@cotse.net> wrote in message
> news:r7LE7.52$8T.1...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net...
> ^
> ^ <snipped>
> ----
>
> Lets get straight to the main points... You say:
Go back and reread my comments CAREFULLY.
> You seem to have more "knowledge" about terrorist activities than the FBI, I
> would be interested to know what experience you base this "knowledge" on.
That is your opinion. I'm simply stating the FBI would be totally negligent if they did not consider the possibilities.
> To try using a large KW signal as cover for a small hand held signal could be
> so effective that they would get a greater range from their voices... without
> any extra comms tools. Have you tried "talking over" two very powerful
> signals using handheld CBs???
Like I said ->>> Go back and reread my comments CAREFULLY.
===========================================================
> The music playing, swearing, high power amps, etc must provide great cover
> for the terrorists messages.
It would.
============================================================
Nothing in my reply said anything about talking over any station. Now to address your comment. Who said the KW station has to be anywhere near where the handhelds are used number one? Also by just filling up any given channel with useless noise, potty talk etc. It then become easy for a quick and brief message to go unnoticed. That same idea applies to a room filled with loud talking people. Real easy for two people close together to exchange a quick message between themselves unnoticed by several others in the same room who are deliberately trying to monitor such conversations.
Now what got us in to the present mess, with 5000 dead or missing and two destroyed buildings, is because nobody though it was possible that a handful of people would turn jumbo jets in to flying guided missiles. Now we know better. But of course the closed mind type of thinking that blinded everybody to the possibility, including our wonderful government and now a fact, it could happen seems to be repeating itself here. So everyone has a choice, either admit it can happen, or wait until another building is destroyed, bridge blown up, etc., and the admission by the government that they didn't consider the idea seriously.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL Member
NCI Member
--
"Sometimes our enthusiasm for change
depends on our willingness to take a
chance on tomorrow by risking what
we have today."
Leland C. Scott
<Mopar...@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in message news:20011106233839.639$Q...@newsreader.com...
> Leland is a paranoid freak.
So if on September 10, 2001 somebody told you that at least 3 jumbo jets would be hi-jacked by four men on each plane, and armed with nothing more than "box cutter knifes", and then intended to crash two of them in to the world Trade Center towers in New York and the third plane in to the Pentagon, would you have believed it could REALLY happen? Or would you just laugh at their face until the morning of September 11, 2001 at around 9:00 AM? Just think for a minute, those events may never have happen had this country been a bit more "paranoid" about Terrorist activities here at home.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL Member
NCI Member
--
"We cannot tell what may happen to us in the
strange medley of life. But we can decide
what happens in us - how we take it,
what we do with it - and that is what
really counts in the end."
Joseph Fort Newton
Leland C. Scott
"Landshark" <S3B...@SBCGloboil.Net> wrote in message news:3wcG7.20801$_15.388...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> You forgot the radio IE: Remember during WWII
> the BBC would broadcast to partisans secret
> messages. Like Aaron has a long tail, people in
> pa have leaking trailer homes, so each message
> meant some thing to certain partisan cells.
> So maybe that deodorant commercial has
> a secret message or restaurant or rug shops
> ad has secret messages.
Funny is it not that our wonderful government first stated that airing the videos, from Osama, on nation wide news was just fine, and now they flipped flopped their position and HIGHLY recommend against airing any such videos because of the possibility of hidden messages to Terrorist cells still operating in the U.S.?
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL Member
NCI Member
--
"That's easy to explain. As another poster a short time back said about
Part 95 rules "I don't care", well you see what happens when that mind
set gets applied in a different context. It is very apparent they,
the terrorists, didn't care about human life either,
including their own. "
Regarding the WTC attack on 9/11/01
Sparky
Here in Spokane, in 1999, Robert Charles Grinnell was sentenced in
federal court for fraud using a scanner. He got fined $5000, 6 months
in prison, 3 years probation, and had to pay $43,240 in restitution.
That's just one example, no doubt there are more.
OT, it's just after 7pm and two more tremors rumbled through town.
We had several good ones this morning. These quakes were cool at
the beginning, but now they are getting really annoying!
(make that 3 jolts tonight!)
Landshark
will see my point of view, he doesn't have to
agree with it, but at least acknowledge it like I
did his.
Landshark
<Mopar...@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Landshark" <S3B...@SBCGloboil.Net> wrote:
> > Hello & Good Morning Dave, Response Below:
> >
> > "Dave Hall" <nojunkma...@worldlynx.net> wrote in message
> > news:3BEBE8...@worldlynx.net...
>> >
> I agree with Shark..your milage may very..
>
> --
> -Moparholic
>
> "Keep on Rockin,in the free world".
> -Neil Young.
Landshark
in this too Leland?
Landshark
"Leland C. Scott" <ab...@cotse.net> wrote in message
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Landshark
name is) I'm not going to stoop to your level of changing
the subject. Your wrong, go chase passing cars and turn
them in for speeding.
Landshark
"Aaron H. Voobner" <voo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Landshark
Wheaties.
Landshark
<Mopar...@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in message
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> So if I don't use word wrap,and I run my Collins on 11 meters,can I get my
> de-coder ring ???