Re: VoiceMax Speech Processor...
Tio Pedro
"Telstar Electronics" <briang...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:c58546f7-aa2a-40eb...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> VoiceMax is really gaining momentum!
> Radio operators all over the world are enjoying the Voicemax
> advantage.
> Since VoiceMax doesn't use audio "clipping"... your audio is loud AND
> clear.
> What a concept!
>
> See what VoiceMax can do for you at
> http://www.telstar-electronics.com/voicemax.htm
What is the dB advantage of this vs. RF clipping for SSB?
cmdr buzz corey
> "Telstar Electronics" <briangrif...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
It is a splatter box add-on.
laura halliday
wrote:
> VoiceMax is really gaining momentum!
> Radio operators all over the world are enjoying the Voicemax
> advantage.
> Since VoiceMax doesn't use audio "clipping"... your audio is loud AND
> clear.
> What a concept!
>
> See what VoiceMax can do for you athttp://www.telstar-electronics.com/voicemax.htm
Here we go again!
Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Non sequitur. Your ACKS are
Grid: CN89mg uncoordinated."
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james
|----------------------
RF Clipping is superior to audio compression in SSB transmission. RF
clipping will provide about 6dB improvement over audio compression
alone.
james
Tio Pedro
"james" <geo...@washington.edu> wrote in message
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> |----------------------
>
> RF Clipping is superior to audio compression in SSB transmission. RF
> clipping will provide about 6dB improvement over audio compression
> alone.
>
> james
Rhetorical question :)
Telstar Electronics
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:25:44 -0400, "Tio Pedro"
>
>
> ||"Telstar Electronics" <briangrif...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> |news:c58546f7-aa2a-40eb...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> |> VoiceMax is really gaining momentum!
> |> Radio operators all over the world are enjoying the Voicemax
> |> advantage.
> |> Since VoiceMax doesn't use audio "clipping"... your audio is loud AND
> |> clear.
> |> What a concept!
> |>
> |> See what VoiceMax can do for you at
> |>http://www.telstar-electronics.com/voicemax.htm
> |
> |What is the dB advantage of this vs. RF clipping for SSB?
> |
> |
> |----------------------
>
> RF Clipping is superior to audio compression in SSB transmission. RF
> clipping will provide about 6dB improvement over audio compression
> alone.
>
> james
James is correct... that the RF clipping technique is somewhat more
effective. What he fails to mention is that it's more complex... and
not easily installed into an existing radio. RF clipping also
exihibits substantially more distortion. The VoiceMax installs
easily... and provides tangible results.
cmdr buzz corey
wrote:
> The VoiceMax installs
> easily... and provides tangible results.
Lots of splatter immediately upon installation.
Telstar Electronics
wrote:
Actually, if adjusted correctly... no splatter... and 100% constant
modulation.
www.telstar-electronics.com
james
|----------------
Actually as easy to design an RF Clipper as an audio compressor. True
it is a bit more difficult to install. Audio clippers can be external
to the transmitter and simpler to install and operate. A RF Clipper
will install as easily as your internal audio compressor.
Personally I would take RF clipping over Audio compression any day
with SSB transmissions. If the post filters are good in enough RF
clipping, there is not significant difference in distortion.
james
james
<briang...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
|On Jun 11, 8:44 am, james <geo...@washington.edu> wrote:
|> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:25:33 -0700 (PDT), Telstar Electronics
|>
|But I was under the impression that RF clippers only work on SSB?...
|and the installation involves tearing into the IF section?
|--------------
Correct. An RF clipper an be inserted after the SSB filters or before.
There are versions that do the clipping after the balance modualtor
and before filters. Sherwood did a RF clipper for the Drake TR4 that
was after the SSB filters and had crystal filters to restore the
original bandwidth.
Generally RF clipping is a bit more expensive than audio compression.
Then you get what you pay for.
james
Ian Jackson
<geo...@washington.edu> writes
I thought that there were some stand-alone RF clippers. Surely there is
no reason why they cannot be external units, inserted in-line between
the mic and the mic socket (ie audio in - audio out)?
Obviously they have to contain 'all the works' (oscillator, balanced
modulator, compressor, clipper, filters, balanced demodulator etc), but
at least they are self-contained and universal.
Regarding filtering, the main advantage of RF clippers is that they
eliminate the effects of second-order distortion, and only have the
distortion produced by in-band third order intermodulation. For
cheapness and simplicity, if you leave out the SSB filtering (ie do
everything at DSB), you will have at least twice the number of in-band
IM products. But how much worse is this than having SSB filtering?
--
Ian
Paul Keinanen
<ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I thought that there were some stand-alone RF clippers. Surely there is
>no reason why they cannot be external units, inserted in-line between
>the mic and the mic socket (ie audio in - audio out)?
>
At least Datong made a stand-alone unit. There was an article about
RF-clipping and the Datong unit in Wireless World a few decades ago.
Paul OH3LWR
Ian Jackson
<c2363b23-32a8-4578...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Telstar Electronics <briang...@sbcglobal.net> writes
>> I thought that there were some stand-alone RF clippers. Surely there is
>> no reason why they cannot be external units, inserted in-line between
>> the mic and the mic socket (ie audio in - audio out)?
>
>Any unit that's inserted in the mic jack is no RF clipper.
>www.telstar-electronics.com
As I said. "Obviously they have to contain 'all the works' (oscillator,
balanced modulator, compressor, clipper, filters, balanced demodulator
etc)."
And, as Paul said, "At least Datong made a stand-alone unit. There was
an article about RF-clipping and the Datong unit in Wireless World a few
decades ago."
But maybe Datong didn't know what they were doing.
--
Ian
Harold E. Johnson
>>Huh? How can you do RF clipping outside the unit? Not a chance...
>>Any unit that's inserted in the mic jack is no RF clipper.
>>www.telstar-electronics.com
>
> As I said. "Obviously they have to contain 'all the works' (oscillator,
> balanced modulator, compressor, clipper, filters, balanced demodulator
> etc)."
>
> And, as Paul said, "At least Datong made a stand-alone unit. There was an
> article about RF-clipping and the Datong unit in Wireless World a few
> decades ago."
>
> But maybe Datong didn't know what they were doing.
> --
> Ian
They had a lot of company, and the residents here have a very short memory.
Datong was second. Comdel made an RF clipper in the late 60's and early
70's. Mike input and amplifier, mixed up to 455 KHz, sideband generated,
clipped the hell out of it, filtered it with a second filter, mixed back
down to audio with the same LO for injection to your mike input jack. Every
serious contester and DXer had one. Cost more than the receiver.
W4ZCB
Ian Jackson
<W4...@mchsi.com> writes
about Datong and lots of others. This is one of the first:
http://www.qsl.net/m0ezp/radio-datong.html
--
Ian
Gerry
>> As I said. "Obviously they have to contain 'all the works' (oscillator,
>> balanced modulator, compressor, clipper, filters, balanced demodulator
>> etc)."
>
> Another problem I see is that they only work on SSB.
> My customers insist on something small that fits inside the radio and
> processes in all modes. The VoiceMax does that with less than 1% THD.
> Can't build them fast enough to keep them in stock...
An outboard RF clipper will work on any voice mode, do you actually have
any qualification in electronics or do you just make it up as you go
along???
Gerry ....
Ian Jackson
<28149a87-09f2-4778...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Telstar Electronics <briang...@sbcglobal.net> writes
>
>> As I said. "Obviously they have to contain 'all the works' (oscillator,
>> balanced modulator, compressor, clipper, filters, balanced demodulator
>> etc)."
>
>Another problem I see is that they only work on SSB.
>My customers insist on something small that fits inside the radio and
>processes in all modes. The VoiceMax does that with less than 1% THD.
>Can't build them fast enough to keep them in stock...
Why do you think that they only work on SSB? Stand-alone RF clippers
like the Datong are independent of transmit mode. They are audio in -
audio out (with a bit of RF magic in between). They should work even on
an audio PA system.
--
Ian
Steve
Steve
> > Berhinger has consumed that nitch now, especially with ESSB.
>
> you at least $300. That's more than your whole station is worth!
>
Dream on, Brian. You can't touch my ts870 for less than $1000, more like
$1200 if you can find one.
>
> Come on... you know how frugal hams & cbers are. Get real.
> www.telstar-electronics.com
>
I'm hearing more and more voodoo audio these days so there are plenty of
stations running rack gear, try more listening and less spamming your junk.
james
|--------------------
The answer is No and Yes
james
Steve
> > Dream on, Brian. You can't touch my ts870 for less than $1000, more
> > like $1200 if you can find one.
>
> I didn't know you ever got that thing working since it was under water
> and so rusty inside.
> Kudos on your technician skills... fixing up that old dog.
>
What the hell are you smoking, Brian? I traded an ft-920 for this 870.
NoMoreSpam
>> Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Non sequitur. Your ACKS are
>> Grid: CN89mg uncoordinated."
>> ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W - Nomad the Network Engineer
>
> Good to hear from you Laura. You can see a photo of the Voicemax
> speech processor in a radio... right before the radio was buttoned up
> at http://tinyurl.com/2t2usu
Appropriately, a CB radio, illegally modified. Only a CBer would fall for this
"Speech Processor."
Channel Cop
"Telstar Electronics" <briang...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>> Appropriately, a CB radio, illegally modified. Only a CBer would fall for
>> this
>> "Speech Processor."
>
> demand at this time. These units are back-ordered until late August08.
sound more like the garbage that fell off of the BACK of the animal while it
was taking a CRAP. OH - wait a minute - "back-ordered" - that is the
convention that you go out and turn-around and order something?
>
NoMoreSpam
>> Appropriately, a CB radio, illegally modified. Only a CBer would fall for this
>> "Speech Processor."
>
> demand at this time. These units are back-ordered until late August08.
>
days.
Telstar Electronics
> sound more like the garbage that fell off of the BACK of the animal while it
> was taking a CRAP. OH - wait a minute - "back-ordered" - that is the
> convention that you go out and turn-around and order something?
Thanks for your comment. In regard to your email... more VoiceMax
modules will be available earlier than expected... around August 1st.
We should have a few left after the back-orders are sent out.
Tom
wrote:
> > As I said. "Obviously they have to contain 'all the works' (oscillator,
> > balanced modulator, compressor, clipper, filters, balanced demodulator
> > etc)."
>
> Another problem I see is that they only work on SSB.
> My customers insist on something small that fits inside the radio and
> processes in all modes. The VoiceMax does that with less than 1% THD.
> Can't build them fast enough to keep them in stock...
DF4ZS developed a RF speech clipper that fits into the Yaesu MH-31
microphone shell. This mic is used with the popular, tiny FT-817
transceiver along with others and in all speech modes. His clipper has
a SSB IF.
Details: http://jwm.de/afu/0ft817eng.htm
Reviews: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2732 (6)
There are no reviews of the VoiceMax on eham.net while there are 21 of
the W4RT Electronics "One Big Punch" which uses a similar IC and can
be installed either in the MH-31 or inside the case of the FT-817 et
al.
DF4ZS also makes an outboard RF Clipper with adjustable a.f.
compression and integrated noise gate.
If you don't mind tying up a computer to do your speech processing,
VE3NEA developed freeware to work with a soundcard between the mic and
the transmitter that functions as bandpass filter, 7-band equalizer,
noise gate, compressor, and RF envelope clipper. http://www.dxatlas.com/VShaper/
Telstar Electronics
> DF4ZS developed a RF speech clipper that fits into the Yaesu MH-31
> microphone shell. This mic is used with the popular, tiny FT-817
> transceiver along with others and in all speech modes. His clipper has
> a SSB IF.
>
> Details:http://jwm.de/afu/0ft817eng.htm
> Reviews:http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2732(6)
>
> There are no reviews of the VoiceMax on eham.net while there are 21 of
> the W4RT Electronics "One Big Punch" which uses a similar IC and can
> be installed either in the MH-31 or inside the case of the FT-817 et
> al.
>
> DF4ZS also makes an outboard RF Clipper with adjustable a.f.
> compression and integrated noise gate.
This DF4ZS is a clipping type processor... nothing like the VoiceMax
audio compressor. You are correct, Since VoiceMax is a new product and
there are only about 150 units in use worldwide... so far there are no
reviews on Eham. Thanks for your interesting comments.
www.telstar-electronics.com
Tio Pedro
"Telstar Electronics" <briang...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message This
audio compressor.
That is true. SSB RF clipping is proven to deliver an honest 6 dB
improvement.
KnobGobb...@mail2princess.com
> "Telstar Electronics" <briangrif...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message �This
>
> DF4ZS is a clipping type processor... nothing like the VoiceMax
> audio compressor.
>
> That is true. �SSB RF clipping is proven to deliver an honest 6 dB
> improvement.
Remember way back when this was posted?
Dam..... I wish YZ the great one was still posting here!!
<PROCEEDING> 98-143
<DATE> 11.27.98
<NAME> STEVEN JAMES ROBESON
<ADDRESS1> HCR65 BOX 572
<ADDRESS2> POB 2103
<CITY> DUNLAP
<STATE> TN
<ZIP> 37327
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<CONFIDENTIAL> N
<PHONE NUMBER> (???) -???-????
<DESCRIPTION> Comments on WT 98-143
<NOTIFY> erlpnk...@aol.com
<TEXT>
To the Members of the Commission Assembled:
I am Steven Robeson. I have been a licensee in the Amateur Radio
Service
since 1972 and am presently the licensee of Amateur Radio Station K4YZ
and hold
an Amateur Extra Class Operators license. I comment to you today on
the matter
of WT 98-143.
There can be no doubt that there has been quantum leaps in the
field of
radiocommunication since the last major rewrite of Part 97. This
includes the
"Incentive Licensing" system that was implemented in the late 1960's.
It is
clearly time to change the system.
The Commission has solicited comments relative to that
circumstance, and I
hope the following will be considered in that act.
First of all, I would like to wholeheartedly approve of the
concept of
reducing the number of Amateur License classes from six to four.
There is much
confusion as to "who's who" as it is now, and a reduction in the
licensing
process would alleviate that disparity. As such, I envision the
following as
being appropriate for said restructuring:
Amateur Class D: The Amateur Class D license would become the de
facto
"entry class" license for the Amateur Service. In light of the
grossly
decreased demand for the Novice License and reduced useage of the sub-
bands
allocated for thier use, I would deactivate it as the "entry class"
licenese.
The Class D License would for all intents and purposes be the same as
the
current "Codeless Technician" class license. The examination for this
license
would remove questions pertaining to HF (1.8 to 30 MHZ) theory and
operation,
and be strictly limited to matters pertaining to VHF/UHF theory and
operation,
regulatory matters and Amateur practice. All Amateur privileges above
30 MHZ
would be conveyed to the successful applicant.
Amateur Class C: The Class C license would be the entry level
license for
operation on the HF spectrum. It would require the successful
applicant either
hold a Class D license, or successfully complete the Class D
examination in
addition to an examination on basic HF theory, propagation and
practice. It
would also require an examination in proficiency in the sending and
receiving
of Morse Code at a speed of not more than 5 (five) words per minute.
Persons
presently holding a Novice Class License or Technician Plus license
would be
grandfathered into this class of license, except that they would be
required to
take a 20 question open book examination at a VE Testing Session on
the
privileges and restrictions of the Class C License prior to utilizing
those
privileges. Allocations would include those presently enjoyed by the
Amateur
General Class licensee except for operation of the 160, 30, 17 and 12
meter
bands.
Class B: The Class B license would incorporate the present
Amateur
General and Amateur Advanced license. All amateur priviledges as are
presently
enjoyed by the Amateur Advanced would be authorized with Amateur
General's
being grandfathered into Class B. New licensee's would be required to
pass a
written examination on advanced radio frequency technology, amateur
practice,
regulations and an examination in proficiency in the sending and
receiving of
Morse Code at a rate of not more than 12 (twelve) words per minute.
This would
be consistent with the present CEPT program, which the United States
is
presently negotiating membership in. Additional frequency allocations
would be
authorized by the "refarming" of the subbands presently allocated to
the Novice
Class, and divided with the Class A license.
Class A: The Amateur Class A would convey all Amateur operating
privileges to the successfull applicant. Present subband
authorizations
enjoyed in the "CW" bands would be unchanged and new exclusive phone
allocations for the Class A would be "refarmed" from the deactivated
Novice
license and by rellocating from the "high" end of present CW
allocations where
operation is sparse. A quick scanning of those portions of the
spectrum will
demonstrate that minimal use is made of this portion of the
authorized
allocations and reallocation to "phone" or other "wideband" emission
types is
reasonable.
The Class A applicant will demonstrate advance/expert level
knowledge of
RF technology and Amateur practice. No additional Morse Code
examination would
be required.
To further simplify the administrative process of the Commission,
I would
discontinue the present "sequential" callsign system. Upon successful
passing
of the requirements for an Amateur Examination, the applicant would be
issued a
"2 by 3" callsign (ie: KA4AAA) by the Commission. Those wishing to
specifically select a callsign of a particular format would be
provided that
opportunity by the "Vanity" callsign system. The Commission would
specify
those formats of callsigns permitted by class, but it would be up to
the
applicant to chose the desired call, and appropriate fee paid for the
privilege
of obtaining said call.
As for the occassionally emotional debate on the retention of the
Morse
Code requirement, I am steadfastly in favor of retention of the use of
Morse
Code and demonstration of it's use for the Amateur Service. Among
it's prouder
traditions has been the Amateur's ability to communicate across
international
boarders and foster communication between citizens in countries which
may not
have a common language in which to conduct that communication. Morse
Code is
the "common denominator" in international communications and should
be
retained.
As for the arguement that more efficient or reliable methods of
communication exist, it is a time proven fact that the simplicity of
Morse Code
systems has allowed us to communicate with portions of the world that
cannot
enjoy the same level of access to technology that we as American's
enjoy.
And to echo the comments of another commentor to these
proceedings, I
would like to express my concern over the decline of the overall
technical
skill and knowledge of the average Amateur. I firmly believe that
this is the
direct result of the publishing of Amateur Radio question and answer
test pools
in the public domain. I feel it is as rediculous a concept as for our
schools
to prepublish the questions and answers of mid-terms and finals.
Closing the
pools except to the VEC's, the Commission, and an independent
oversight
committee approved by the Commission would go a long way towards
ensuring that
the successful applicant has a minimal and sufficient retention of
the
requisite knowledge for an Amateur license.
Lastly, I would consider all of this for naught if the Commission
were to
fail to make a determined and on-going effort to enforce the rules
and
regulations as they pertain to the operation of Amatuer Radio
Stations. It is
an embarrasment that we are as frail as any other subset of human
society, and
we too have our share of ner'-do-wells and rabble-rousers. But unlike
a local
"protest" or civil disturbances in one localized area,
radiocommunication has
the potential of causing a disruption over a massive, if not world-
wide area,
even when that disruption is perpetrated by only a few "rotten
apples". The
Amateur Service still prides itself on it's own "self policing"
activities, and
this activity is unprecedented in any other Service under the
Commission's
domain, but only so much can be accomplished short of vigilanteism.
The Commission's assurance that they will enforce these regulations
and back it
up with action will be the one greatest action the Commission could
take.
Respectfully Submitted,
/s/ Steven James Robeson, LPN
Amateur Radio Staton K4YZ
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> On Jul 30, 7:36�pm, "Tio Pedro" wrote:
>> "Telstar Electronics" wrote
Wow, guess it must really suck to be Steve, or anyone who agrees with him
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1. Threats of violence, especially death. (one point per kook)
2. Lists, i.e. *real* lists, not just mentions of two or three names in
the same post. One list per kook, unless the lists are clearly meant to
serve different purposes.
3. Fanboi sites (one point per kook, not one point per site. Minimum
qualification is a whole page about you; pages containing lists don't
score extra if the list also appears on Usenet).
4. Fanboi newsgroups (one point per kook, not one point per group)
5. Attempts at real-life contact (e.g. posting phone numbers)
6. Fake awards, revenge nominations etc. (one point per kook)
7. Mentions in a newsgroup FAQ (e.g. soc.men).
8. Being the target of a Kooksuit (one point per kook).
Gerald C. Newton is a wife-beating fuckhead.
an_old_friend
<ancient_o...@shoggoths.rule> wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:19:24 -0700, KnobGobblerMor...@Mail2Princess.Com,
yes he was calling to make the license more complex at a time when the
FCCmade it clear it wanted and was going to have a simpler licensing
scheme
an_old_friend
> Fred <jesuslo...@thedevil.com> wrote:
> > [Default] On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:09:10 -0700 (PDT), in rec.radio.cb
> > you wrote:
>
> > >> Wow, guess it must really suck to be Steve, or anyone who agrees with
> > >> him on the Morse code issue. Or you.
>
> > >yes he was calling to make the license more complex at a time when the
> > >FCCmade it clear it wanted and was going to have a simpler licensing
> > >scheme
>
> > we have fucktards like Mark on the air.
>
> This is the most accurate post in rrcb today so far. I set filters for
> marks posts, none of them are worth reading anyway. He has destroyed rrap
> so bad that group isn't even worth opening anymore. Think the stupid fuck
> would at least use a spell check, but that's probably above his pay scale.
>
> Perhaps that is his mission, to destroy Usenet text groups. Plonk him and
> leave him to talk to himself.
>
> 73
> Steve.
fred and his freinds can't ignore me sinc ethey have mental illnesses
that make em afraid to even allow exist in the same NG
an_old_friend
> [Default] On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:34:43 -0700 (PDT), in rec.radio.cb
> >fred and his freinds can't ignore me sinc ethey have mental illnesses
> >that make em afraid to even allow exist in the same NG
>
> You are like a retarded parrot. Does Markie want a cracker or perhaps
> more crack. Why are you a fucktard, Mark?
why do you sit there and comit libel of a man you hav enever met and
pobviously know nothing about ?
an_old_friend
> [Default] On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:57:57 -0700 (PDT), in rec.radio.cb
>
> you wrote:
> >On Sep 11, 2:29 am, Fred <jesuslo...@thedevil.com> wrote:
> >> [Default] On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:34:43 -0700 (PDT), in rec.radio.cb
>
> >> >fred and his freinds can't ignore me sinc ethey have mental illnesses
> >> >that make em afraid to even allow exist in the same NG
>
> >> You are like a retarded parrot. Does Markie want a cracker or perhaps
>
> >why do you sit there and comit libel of a man you hav enever met and
> >pobviously know nothing about ?
>
yes I do and calling me a drug user with malious intent is libel
>And
> unfortunately, we know more about you than we ever wanted to know.
no hou know your own fantasies about my life very little is accualy my
life
> You
> live out your life on Usenet. How pathetic...