WCBS 880 SIGNAL REACH
JC
I live in East Providence, Rhode Island (180 miles from New York
City) and can receive Newsradio 880 WCBS Crystal clear all day long.
I'm curious to know of any other distant listeners who can pick up the
station during the day. Please respond if you live far from New York
and can tune in the station during the daylight hours.
Thanks,
JC
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Fred Cantu
>City) and can receive Newsradio 880 WCBS Crystal clear all day long.
>I'm curious to know of any other distant listeners who can pick up the
>station during the day.
180 miles isn't that far. I grew up in Brownsville, Texas listening to top 40
from KTSA in San Antonio (200 miles) and KILT Houston (250 miles) and both were
5,000 watt AMs at the low end of the dial. They had tremendous daytime
signals.
One time as an experiment I mounted a regular car radio antenna on top of my
grandmother's one-story house. I was able to tune in WBAP in Fort Worth and
WWL in New Orleans-- both 50,000 watt stations about 500 miles away-- during
the daytime.
Fred Cantu
Austin, TX
Sean The Great
>City) and can receive Newsradio 880 WCBS Crystal clear all day long.
>I'm curious to know of any other distant listeners who can pick up the
>station during the day. Please respond if you live far from New York
>and can tune in the station during the daylight hours.
I've picked up WCBS (albeit faintly) in Boston during the day. Reception in
Boston was a lot better before the long-dormant construction permit for 890 in
Dedham was built in the mid-1990s. Currently I live in York, PA, about 200
miles from NYC by road (maybe 150 miles as the crow flies) and can pick it up
during the day -- if I really want to listen to it.
The reason you get such clear reception of WCBS is because the direct path from
City Island in the Bronx, where WCBS' transmitter is, to Providence is mostly
over salt water. You can pick up any of the major New York stations (save WINS)
on Cape Cod for that same reason.
-Sean
Mark Roberts
|
|180 miles isn't that far. I grew up in Brownsville, Texas listening to top 40
|from KTSA in San Antonio (200 miles) and KILT Houston (250 miles) and both were
|5,000 watt AMs at the low end of the dial. They had tremendous daytime
|signals.
In the Northeast, it actually *is*, because the ground conductivity
there is so poor. The Gulf Coast has above-average ground
conductivity.
Moreover, KILT is one of several Houston AMs whose daytime DAs
produce patterns that "hug the coast", so to speak. I have a map
that KTRH produced in the early 1980s showing the respective
coverages of KILT, KTRH, KULF (790), KXYZ, and others, and what was
striking was the similarities among most of them. KTRH had (and, I
presume, still has) a bit of a daytime "bump" up into Deep East
Texas, but otherwise there's lots of signal shooting over the
coast.
When I was at KTRH, we would get letters from missionaries and diplomatic
personnel stationed in central America who appreciated our 10 pm
news block -- because KTRH was the strongest U.S. station they
could receive on AM.
--
Mark Roberts | "I don't think it's a bad thing that the crowded, anxiety-
Oakland, Cal. | ridden dot-commers find Turlock dusty and unattractive.
| We'll keep our secret." -- Mayor Curt Andre of Turlock,
| _Modesto Bee_, 12-23-2000
Steve Sobol
>> I live in East Providence, Rhode Island (180 miles from New York
>>City) and can receive Newsradio 880 WCBS Crystal clear all day long.
>>I'm curious to know of any other distant listeners who can pick up the
>>station during the day.
>
>180 miles isn't that far. I grew up in Brownsville, Texas listening to top 40
>from KTSA in San Antonio (200 miles) and KILT Houston (250 miles) and both were
>5,000 watt AMs at the low end of the dial. They had tremendous daytime
>signals.
You can receive WTAM 1100AM Cleveland in Dayton, Ohio, and that's
a distance of around 200 miles.
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Bill Hale
kWers day and night. It's almost a straight shot from NYC to Providence
over water, and this time of year the cold temperatures are very favorable
to AM signals.
Did you know there are organized clubs whose members listen for distant
signals (called DX) on the AM band?? Yes, a strange bunch, indeed :-)
Visit www.nrcdxas.org if you'd like more information.
73,
Bill in Fort Worth
Radioguy
> I live in East Providence, Rhode Island (180 miles from New York
> City) and can receive Newsradio 880 WCBS Crystal clear all day long.
> I'm curious to know of any other distant listeners who can pick up the
> station during the day. Please respond if you live far from New York
> and can tune in the station during the daylight hours.
Many of the NYC station bang into the RI quite well. Consider the
propagational assistance of the Long Island Sound and the signals race
up toward your direction. BTW, sometimes, if you listen carefully,
during the winter you can also hear WRFD underneath in the early
mornings on 880. I've been able to pick them up while camping in New
Hampshire. If you are interested in broadcast band DXing, you should
check out:
http://www.nrcdxas.org/
73,
Pete
JC
sean...@aol.community (Sean The Great) wrote:
> The reason you get such clear reception of WCBS is because the direct
path from City Island in the Bronx, where WCBS' transmitter is, to
Providence is mostly over salt water. You can pick up any of the major
New York stations (save WINS)on Cape Cod for that same reason.
>
> -Sean
-----------
Actually with my GE Super Radio and one of my Boom Boxes I can also
receive WINS quite clear in Providence during the day as well. I
beleive their transmitter is in Lyndhurst New Jersey about 195 miles
from my house. This would be the most distant station that I can
receive during daylight hours from my home. Sometimes the signal is so
good it really does amaze me that the tower is so far away. As someone
else mentioned, that kind of distance in the Northeast part of the
United States really is very good!
Drew A. Durigan
Cantu) writes:
>180 miles isn't that far. I grew up in Brownsville, Texas listening to top
>40 from KTSA in San Antonio (200 miles) and KILT Houston (250 miles) and both
>were 5,000 watt AMs at the low end of the dial. They had tremendous daytime
>signals.
Even more so in the Midwest, where the soil conductivity is the highest in the
world. When I lived in Hays, Kansas (between Denver and Kansas City on I-70), I
could easilly hear these 5KW stations in the daytime on any standard table
radio:
540 KWMT/Fort Dodge, IA
570 WNAX/Yankton, SD
580 WIBW/Topeka
590 WOW/Omaha
610 KDAF/Kansas City
630 KHOW/Denver
640 WOI Ames/IA (with the Norman, OK station underneath)
...plus many more.
WNAX was the strongest of all. I carried this station on the car radio all the
way into Oklahoma! Would have reached even further, but the 570 in Dallas
began to take over as I got closer to Oklahoma City. On the other side of
their antenna, I have listened to WNAX up in Manitoba, Canada! 5KW on 570
carries almost forever in the land of 30+ soil conductivity.
-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
Steve
>
>The reason you get such clear reception of WCBS is because the direct path from
>City Island in the Bronx, where WCBS' transmitter is, to Providence is mostly
>over salt water. You can pick up any of the major New York stations (save WINS)
>on Cape Cod for that same reason.
>
Has WINS changed it's DA? I have a coverage map from the mid-60s from
them, and it shows the bulk of their signal going NE (over Long
Island) which should continue on to Cape Cod just fine.
Paul Oeser
where I live. I remember in 1976 when our family took a trip out west to
see our relatives in Albuquerque NM and visit the sites. I always took a
radio in the car with me to pass the time. I remember starting with WKY in
Oklahoma City, which was a top 40 station at the time picking that station
up until we got to the Texas border. KRKE in Albuquerque could be picked
up even in AZ during the day time. There seemed to be several stations
like that.
Here in TN, the best I can do is picking up WHAS in Louisville KY in the
day time and it isn't nor never was as clear as the stations were when we
took our trip out west.
At 12:05 AM 1/5/2001 -0000, you wrote:
>Fred Cantu <famili...@cs.com> had written:
>|
>|180 miles isn't that far. I grew up in Brownsville, Texas listening to
top 40
>|from KTSA in San Antonio (200 miles) and KILT Houston (250 miles) and
both were
>|5,000 watt AMs at the low end of the dial. They had tremendous daytime
>|signals.
>
>In the Northeast, it actually *is*, because the ground conductivity
>there is so poor. The Gulf Coast has above-average ground
>conductivity.
>
>Moreover, KILT is one of several Houston AMs whose daytime DAs
>produce patterns that "hug the coast", so to speak. I have a map
>that KTRH produced in the early 1980s showing the respective
>coverages of KILT, KTRH, KULF (790), KXYZ, and others, and what was
>striking was the similarities among most of them. KTRH had (and, I
>presume, still has) a bit of a daytime "bump" up into Deep East
>Texas, but otherwise there's lots of signal shooting over the
>coast.
>
>When I was at KTRH, we would get letters from missionaries and diplomatic
>personnel stationed in central America who appreciated our 10 pm
>news block -- because KTRH was the strongest U.S. station they
>could receive on AM.
>
>--
>Mark Roberts | "I don't think it's a bad thing that the crowded, anxiety-
>Oakland, Cal. | ridden dot-commers find Turlock dusty and unattractive.
> | We'll keep our secret." -- Mayor Curt Andre of Turlock,
> | _Modesto Bee_, 12-23-2000
>
>
>
>
>
>
Paul Oeser
Visit my web page http://www.oeser.net/blind.htm
Ron Hardin
>
> This is not unusual at all. You should be able to hear all of the NYC 50
> kWers day and night. It's almost a straight shot from NYC to Providence
> over water, and this time of year the cold temperatures are very favorable
> to AM signals.
The chief winter effect is reduced sunlight and hence reduced absorption.
There's no ducting that I know of at MW frequencies.
--
Ron Hardin
rhha...@mindspring.com
On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.
Peter
mark...@yahoo.com (Mark Roberts) commented ...
>>
When I was at KTRH, we would get letters from missionaries and diplomatic
personnel stationed in central America who appreciated our 10 pm news block --
because KTRH was the strongest U.S. station they could receive on AM.
>>
As with almost ALL coastal Class II-Bs on foreign clear channels (740 is a
Canadian clear channel), the maximum radiation is directed into the ocean, with
the COL usually being between the Tx site and the coast.
KCBS, which is also on 740, sends less than 5 kW to any point on the Canadian
border (a NARBA requirement), but the highest equivalent power is not towards
the coast, as with KTRH, but is towards the SSW, with S.F. obviously in between
the Tx site and the rest of the southwest. The equivalent power towards S.F.
and the rest of the southwest is 275 kW.
The KCBS antenna system efficiency is significantly greater than the Class II
minimum, and, in fact, it would have been at least Class I efficiency if CBS
could have installed taller than 500 foot towers at their Novato Tx site.
Incredibly, Houston, which is Texas' largest city, has no Class I station at
all, and KTRH, which should employ a high-efficiency antenna system, uses a
"conforming" but relatively low-efficiency antenna system.
Ed Ellers
"Many of the NYC station bang into the RI quite well. Consider the
propagational assistance of the Long Island Sound and the signals race up
toward your direction."
Ed Joyce -- who later became the president of CBS News -- covered the
Chappaquiddick incident in 1969 for WCBS (he was on vacation in that area at
the time). He said in his book "Prime Times, Bad Times" that WCBS got into
Cape Cod better than the Boston stations (apparently because of the
over-water path), and noted that when he looked at Senator Kennedy's
Oldsmobile after it had been pulled out of the water, he found that its
radio was tuned to 880.
Peter
>>
Has WINS changed it's DA?
>>
Several times.
WINS's old DA was constantly in violation of its operating parameters, due to
reradiation from adjacent structures.
The present DA design was probably implemented incidentally to Westinghouse
purchasing and taking dark the 1010 in Little Rock, AR.
John J Boncek
Not surprised at all that you can hear WCBS in Providence. I used to live
in the Catskill mountains (about 100 miles NW of New York) and we
routinely listened to WCBS day and night.
Here in the Daytona Beach area, we can hear Savannah, Georgia (630),
Charleston, SC (1250), Hilton Head, SC (730), and several others, all
between 100-200 miles away, because of the clear path along the coast.
Garrett Wollman
Ed Ellers <ed_e...@msn.com> wrote:
>He said in his book "Prime Times, Bad Times" that WCBS got into
>Cape Cod better than the Boston stations (apparently because of the
>over-water path),
At the time, there were only a few local stations serving Cape Cod;
IIRC WOCB 1240 and WPLM 1390 would have been the most significant.
The Boston stations were and are all engineered to serve Boston; even
WBZ nulls Cape Cod [1] -- although not as strongly as the other Boston
stations (of which the major ones have ``bowtie'' or ``figure eight''
directional patterns [2]).
Today, the Cape and Islands have twenty FM stations and two AMs; both
of the AMs are relays of non-commercial Boston FMs (WBUR on 1240 and
WUMB on 1170). Add the two Plymouth stations (WPLM-A/F), and you've
got one station for about every ten thousand inhabitants.
-GAWollman
[1] WBZ uses a simple two-tower cardioid from its transmitter in Hull
(at 45 Newport Ave. for those interested in visiting -- not that
you'll have any trouble finding it anyway). The pattern was designed
to increase radiation over downtown Boston, with a corresponding
decrease over the ocean. The Cape and Islands are 50-plus miles to
the southeast of Hull, and so receive more than the pattern minimum,
but much less than is directed over the rest of Eastern Massachusetts.
[2] 590, 680, 850, and 1260 are like this. 1510 as it was in the 1960s
had a 5 kW teardrop pointed due north from Quincy. 1330 and 1600 are
cardioids pointed northeast. 1150 is the only Boston AM I can identify
whose pattern actually favors the southeast. 790 from Providence
should have gotten in pretty well as well.
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Peter
>>
Has WINS changed it's DA?
>>
Several times.
Michael Jay Friedman
weak, even in the eastern part of the county. I thought that the decision to
purchase and take dark the 1000 khz signal in Hackettstown, NJ was a prelude to
strengthening WINS' presence in northwestern New Jersey.
Michael Jay Friedman
mfriedm...@sas.upenn.edu
Ed Ellers
"Even more so in the Midwest, where the soil conductivity is the highest in
the world."
It certainly seems that way in parts of Indiana. At my Aunt Miriam's place
in Columbia City (about 20 miles west of Fort Wayne), both CKLW Windsor and
WHAS Louisville come in reasonably well day and night; the Chicago 50 kWs
are very strong there, almost as strong as locals, and my late Uncle Bud
used to listen to WLS' farm market reports regularly. (WLS also comes in
well in Kokomo; I remember hearing them at a concession stand in a city park
there in the mid-70s.)
For that matter, I once picked up WMAQ in Louisville *at midday*, also in
the mid-1970s -- just barely there -- on an RCA Victor Globe Trotter tube
portable (with an RF stage and rotatable ferrite loop, almost an ancestor to
the GE Superadios). Maybe I'll try it again this weekend, with a Sony
ICF-2010 (the Globe Trotter needs new filter capacitors).
Garrett Wollman
>He said in his book "Prime Times, Bad Times" that WCBS got into
>Cape Cod better than the Boston stations (apparently because of the
>over-water path),
At the time, there were only a few local stations serving Cape Cod;
John J Boncek
Sean The Great
If I remember correctly from my cross-country drive last year, 570 gave weather
temps and forecasts for five states: Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota,
Wyoming, and one other (possibly Nebraska?).
-Sean
Mike Terry
Heard in the UK in the middle of the night.
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: >570 WNAX/Yankton, SD
:
The five states served by WNAX are South Dakota, North Dakota,
Minnesota, Iowa, and Nebraska and it is those states that are included
in the WNAX weather forecasts.
Best,
Don Forsling
(Who is sooo old that he can remember when the official WNAX ID was
"This is WNAX, Yankton, with studios also in Sioux City.")
Peter
>>
I thought that the decision to purchase and take dark the 1000 khz signal in
Hackettstown, NJ was a prelude to strengthening WINS' presence in northwestern
New Jersey.
>>
Perhaps days, but certainly not nights.
WINS is a Class B on a Canadian clear channel, and Canada has two Class As on
1010 ... Calgary is the Class I-A and Toronto is a Class I-B (although it
probably should be a Class B).
WINS will have to protect Calgary *and* Toronto nights, unless Toronto is
reduced to a Class B, which seems unlikely, in which case WINS will still have
to protect Calgary.
JŧØÑ
in Southern Ocean County, NJ (near Beach Haven). (about 105 miles South)
During the daylight hours I recieve a good signal off WTIC. Good enough
to get on a regular radio indoors.
I can even get WBZ, although WBZ is considerably weaker. For WBZ I need
my Shortwave radio or car radio.
Drew A. Durigan
<jjb0...@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu> writes:
>Here in the Daytona Beach area, we can hear Savannah, Georgia (630),
>Charleston, SC (1250), Hilton Head, SC (730), and several others, all
>between 100-200 miles away, because of the clear path along the coast
Not only that, but the saltwater path is so good that it allows certain distant
stations to cancel out co-channeled locals. For instance, WNBA/1490 in DeLand,
Florida. Barely 20 miles from Daytona Beach...yet, the 1490 in Brunswick,
Georgia (100+ miles distance) totally wipes it out when you're beachside.
Sean The Great
>I can even get WBZ, although WBZ is considerably weaker. For WBZ I need
>my Shortwave radio or car radio.
>
I was catching WBZ on the Jersey Turnpike about 60-70 miles south of NYC on
Christmas Eve around 3:15 p.m. Just presumed that the skywave was starting to
cook a little earlier.
-Sean
McGovern
the Suncoast at night...provided Uncle Fidel isnt running his propoganda out
of Havana.
Radioguy
While visiting the Tampa area I have picked up WCBS many times.
Pete
jamesr...@my-deja.com
different than HF. As an amateur radio operator, I used to work
Buffalo, NY from Rochester, NY on 160 meters in the daytime
constantly. This is only 60 miles, but I was only running 65 watts -
and the guys in Buffalo had to relay a message to me from another
station just wanting me to know I was banging into Washington DC (at
about 1:00 PM). The secret is that as you drop below 4 or 5 MHz, true
groundwave starts to become reality. The curvature of the earth
becomes a defracting 'knife-edge' and the waves tend to bend and follow
the earth. Down in the broadcast band, this is a reality. Only a ton
of other stations on the air often prevents you from hearing DX. The
big stations (clear-channel) often can be heard many hundreds of miles
away during the daytime. Of course, during the nighttime, signals will
travel thousands of miles (and many stations are daytime only - their
absence allows you to hear the DX). On HF, groundwave does not exist
and hearing distant stations requires the use of the ionosphere as a
reflecting medium. Unfortunately, during the daytime, the D layer
absorbs the lower frequency HF signals (3 to perhaps 8 MHz or so)
rendering them useless for long-haul communications in the daytime.
Groundwave (such as on the broadcast band) does not require the signal
to travel through the D layer and thus can be heard for considerable
distances.
Have a gooder!
Jim (Rochester, NY)
In article <t5992rk...@corp.supernews.com>,
Jim Burgan
>Not only that, but the saltwater path is so good that it allows certain
distant
>stations to cancel out co-channeled locals. For instance, WNBA/1490 in
DeLand,
>Florida. Barely 20 miles from Daytona Beach...yet, the 1490 in Brunswick,
>Georgia (100+ miles distance) totally wipes it out when you're beachside.
You got that right, Drew. In the early 70's I worked at a 1kw station on
860 kHz in Cocoa, FL (now dark).
It was Christmastime and the PD had gone home for the holidays and on the
day after Christmas, I got a call from him at 12:00 noon and he was
listening in MidTown Manhattan-even overcoming WCBS's 50kw signal 2 channels
away!
Figure that one out....
Joel Rubin
>
>
>
> I live in East Providence, Rhode Island (180 miles from New York
>City) and can receive Newsradio 880 WCBS Crystal clear all day long.
>I'm curious to know of any other distant listeners who can pick up the
>station during the day. Please respond if you live far from New York
>and can tune in the station during the daylight hours.
>
>
I can pick up WBZ, Boston, 1030 daytime in western Queens, NYC.
The last time I was in central Cape Cod, some decades ago, several of
the 50 kw MW NYC stations came in on a car radio.
And Fresno from San Francisco during the daytime on medium wave
doesn't seem to be at all uncommon.
I'd be interested if anyone gets over say 300 miles regularly (no
eclipses or any weird propagation conditions) on 50 kw medium wave
groundwave signals.
Frank Provasek
>
> "Sean The Great" <sean...@aol.community> wrote in message
> news:t5ee2me...@corp.supernews.com...
> : >570 WNAX/Yankton, SD
> :
> : If I remember correctly from my cross-country drive last year, 570
> gave weather
> : temps and forecasts for five states: Montana, North Dakota, South
> Dakota,
> : Wyoming, and one other (possibly Nebraska?).
> :
> : -Sean
When Dallas' WFAA 570 went off for a few days in 1990 when
KLIF 1190 bought the station for its better coverage...WNAX
could be heard in north Texas daytime!
Drew A. Durigan
<cau...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>When Dallas' WFAA 570 went off for a few days in 1990 when
>KLIF 1190 bought the station for its better coverage...WNAX
>could be heard in north Texas daytime!
I believe it. I carried it in the car to just south of Ponca City, OK last
year. Signal was still plenty strong. Only thing that stopped it was
570/Dallas.
Chuck Reti
In midwinter, both WCBS and WBZ Boston are strong as locals as early as
local sundown. I often listen to one or the other in the car on the
commute home. Last Thursday evening, Jan 4, I punched up 880 around 6pm
ET and instead of WCBS, heard KRVN in Lexington Nebraska, a new entry in
the car radio DX log.
On 1010, CFRB and WINS usually are near zero beat, sometimes at equal
strength, but depending on propagation CFRB usually wins (sorry) the
battle.
On Cape Cod trips, I often listen to the NYC AM's, which have a clear
Northeast shot over the ocean.
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Don Forsling
"Frank Provasek" <cau...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Actually, Don Forsling wrote nothing that appears below. What Don
Forsling wrote is that WNAX served the five states of Iowa, South
Dakota, North Dakota, Nebraska and Iowa. Not that he cares, of course.
: Don Forsling wrote:
:
Peter
>>
I'd be interested if anyone gets over say 300 miles regularly (no eclipses or
any weird propagation conditions) on 50 kw medium wave groundwave signals.
>>
Central Valley of California. Also along the Calfornia coast.
But a real test is if both 50 kW stations are ND.
In this respect 640 or 1070 in L.A. and 680 in S.F. are good candidates as
these are ND all hours.
740 and 810 in S.F. are not good candidates as these both send several hundred
kW towards the SSE and L.A., while the L.A. stations send only fifty kW towards
the NNW and S.F.
Drew A. Durigan
writes:
> Last Thursday evening, Jan 4, I punched up 880 around 6pm
>ET and instead of WCBS, heard KRVN in Lexington Nebraska, a new entry in
>the car radio DX log.
Oops! Sounds like someone at KRVN forgot to switch to night pattern at sunset!
a. ellis potts
>I can pick up WBZ, Boston, 1030 daytime in western Queens, NYC.
>
>The last time I was in central Cape Cod, some decades ago, several of
>the 50 kw MW NYC stations came in on a car radio.
>
>And Fresno from San Francisco during the daytime on medium wave
>doesn't seem to be at all uncommon.
>
>I'd be interested if anyone gets over say 300 miles regularly (no
>eclipses or any weird propagation conditions) on 50 kw medium wave
>groundwave signals.
Here in Western Washington state, I can frequently pick up KGA 1510 (50kw) from
Spokane (350 miles east over the Cascade mountains, river gorge, desert,
scabland, etc ;-) in the daytime and at night, KSL 1160 (?) from Salt Lake, KGO
(810) SF, and even XTRA 690 from Tijuana when the CBC on 690 from Vancouver
goes wacko...
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>>
On 1010, CFRB and WINS usually are near zero beat, sometimes at equal strength,
but depending on propagation CFRB usually wins (sorry) the battle.
>>
CFRB is notified as a Class A station, and therefore has both primary
(groundwave) and secondary (skywave) service areas; WINS is and always will be
a Class B station, and therefore has only a primary service area.
BTW, WINS' precdecessor was a daytimer on another frequency before NARBA.
Jerry Trowbridge
always get a listenable skywave from WWL.
-
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--at Flying Pig Ranch
KentWI
course.
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John J Boncek
a daytime appearance on my GE-SuperRadio II, on the second floor of the
graduate dormitory on the Texas Tech campus. I was quite impressed.
Don't know what the actual distance was, but it has to be in the 300-500
mile range.
I have listened to KLVI-Beaumont, Texas (560) all the way from San
Antonio, Texas to just outside of Baton Rouge, Louisiana while driving
I-10. Impressive signal strength most of the way, too.
Drew A. Durigan
(John J Boncek) writes:
>I have listened to KLVI-Beaumont, Texas (560) all the way from San
>Antonio, Texas
Even with KTSA on 550?
Paul Van House
picked up in Marion Ohio on a Pioneer Stereo with no external AM antenna
(just the bar-type that came with it) It was sky-wave, of course, as I
recall it was about 11pm.
At the time I would listen to CKLW Windsor, WJR Detroit and WOWO
Fort Wayne from Marion Ohio in the daytime with a great signal. All
three of these stations also came in very good in Dayton Ohio during the
daytime as well.
When I lived in Corpus Christi, Texas, I would listen to WLW
Cincinnati at night with a noisy but steady signal.
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Chris Maukonen
mnma...@aol.com (Drew A. Durigan) writes:
> In article <t59tvep...@corp.supernews.com>, famili...@cs.com (Fred
> Cantu) writes:
>
>>180 miles isn't that far. I grew up in Brownsville, Texas listening to top
>>40 from KTSA in San Antonio (200 miles) and KILT Houston (250 miles) and both
>>were 5,000 watt AMs at the low end of the dial. They had tremendous daytime
>>signals.
>
> Even more so in the Midwest, where the soil conductivity is the highest in the
> world. When I lived in Hays, Kansas (between Denver and Kansas City on I-70), I
> could easilly hear these 5KW stations in the daytime on any standard table
> radio:
>
Not to mention:
KAAY - Little Rock, Ak The mighty 1090
WOWO - Ft. Wayne In.
I could pick those up like locals when I lived in Naples, Fl. back in
the 60s. Used an old Motorola car radio, but could also pick them up on
a cheep Japanese transistor too. Of couse WABC, WKYC, WBZ, WLS, WSM all
came in clear as a bell too. Could even get WGAR on occasion.
Chris
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>When I was in Lubbock, Texas (1997-1998), KOA-Denver would sometimes make
>a daytime appearance on my GE-SuperRadio II, on the second floor of the
>graduate dormitory on the Texas Tech campus. I was quite impressed.
>Don't know what the actual distance was, but it has to be in the 300-500
>mile range.
>
KOA has a very good signal. When I lived in Denver, I travelled to Montana a
lot. I could always receive KOA in the daytime as far north as Sheridan,
Wyoming, about 400 miles or so.
Paul.
Bob Radil
>Bill Hale wrote:
>>
>> This is not unusual at all. You should be able to hear all of the NYC 50
>> kWers day and night. It's almost a straight shot from NYC to Providence
>> over water, and this time of year the cold temperatures are very favorable
>> to AM signals.
>
>The chief winter effect is reduced sunlight and hence reduced absorption.
>There's no ducting that I know of at MW frequencies.
>--
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>rhha...@mindspring.com
The cold temperature increases ground conductivity which increases groundwave
coverage.
Bob Radil
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Bob Radil
>City) and can receive Newsradio 880 WCBS Crystal clear all day long.
>I'm curious to know of any other distant listeners who can pick up the
>station during the day. Please respond if you live far from New York
>and can tune in the station during the daylight hours.
>
>
>
>JC
A few years ago I picked up WCBS & WFAN at the top of Mt. Washington, New
Hampshire in the middle of an August afternoon. Signal strength on both was
about .025-.030 mv/m, using an FIM-21.
SagiGemi
he can get them as far away as 29 Palms during the day. Is this really possible
with a 5,000 watt signal 300 miles away?
Travis Zeal
Mesa,AZ
Ed Ellers
Depends on what you mean by "a 5000 watt signal." This station likely has a
directional antenna system, meaning that *in some directions* the signal
could be several times as strong as that of a 5000-watt station running into
an omnidirectional antenna.
For TV and FM radio the FCC and others use the concept of "effective
radiated power," where 3000 watts ERP (for example) means the same degree of
radiation you'd get by putting that much power into an isotropic dipole,
even though most facilities would use a more efficient antenna with less RF
going into it to achieve the same end result.
Steve Fleckenstein
(Marietta area). Weak but clear. But I can't get 880 WCBS at night 80 miles
northwest of NYC. Too much QRM!!!
David Eduardo
"SagiGemi" <sagi...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I heard some caller who is a L.A. to Phoenix truck driver call 550 KFYI
and say
> he can get them as far away as 29 Palms during the day. Is this really
possible
> with a 5,000 watt signal 300 miles away?
Yes, especially on a relatively clear frequency and on a low dial position.
Gray Frierson Haertig
Why would temperature have any affect on ground conductivity?
AFAIK ground conductivity is mostly determined by moisture content and
soluble salt content.
Gray
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SagiGemi
say that he can get KFYI as far away as Quartzsite at night...how can an omni
signal *lose* distance at night?
Travis
Gray Frierson Haertig
No real argument with what you say, just a couple of nits to pick. By
FCC convention, ERP in the FM and TV services is expressed relative to a
half wave dipole. In the microwave and some other services, ERP is
expressed relative to an isotropic radiator and is abbreviated EIRP.
The term isotropic dipole is a self contradiction. An antenna is a
dipole or an isotropic radiator. It can't be both. In the real world it
can't actually even be an isotropic radiator. An isotropic radiator is
a theoretical construct that can only be approximated in the real world.
The term ERP isn't generally used in the AM service, though you do see
the term "equivalent radiated power". I believe it is defined as the
power radiated in a specific direction from a directional antenna system
as compared to a standard 1/4 wave vertical monopole over a standard
ground system. That is, if a transmitter of power equal to the
"equivalent radiated power" were connected to a 1/4 wave monopole, the
field strength produced at a given point would be the same as that
measured when a transmitter of the licensed power is connected to the
directional antenna.
Gray
Ed Ellers wrote:
>
> For TV and FM radio the FCC and others use the concept of "effective
> radiated power," where 3000 watts ERP (for example) means the same degree of
> radiation you'd get by putting that much power into an isotropic dipole,
> even though most facilities would use a more efficient antenna with less RF
> going into it to achieve the same end result.
--
Drew A. Durigan
writes:
>KFYI has a 5K, nondirectional signal 24 hours a day... The caller went on to
>say that he can get KFYI as far away as Quartzsite at night...how can an
>omni signal *lose* distance at night?
Because of co-channel interference (skywave) which isn't present during the
day.
Gray Frierson Haertig
Two methods come to mind.
1) Self cancellation.
Depending on the vertical radiation pattern of the antenna and the
height of the reflecting layer in the ionosphere there will an area(s)
where a station's groundwave signal will be canceled by its own skywave signal.
2) Interference
Very frequently a station's coverage area is not so much determined by
signal strength but by received interference. On most channels there
will be a significant increase in cochannel interference at night
because of skywave.
Gray
--
David Eduardo
> KFYI has a 5K, nondirectional signal 24 hours a day... The caller went on
to
> say that he can get KFYI as far away as Quartzsite at night...how can an
omni
> signal *lose* distance at night?
No interference to the daytime groundwave vs. skywave interference form
cochannel stations at night.
Howard Stern
Greg and Joan
Bob Radil wrote:
> > I live in East Providence, Rhode Island (180 miles from New York
> >City) and can receive Newsradio 880 WCBS Crystal clear all day long.
> >I'm curious to know of any other distant listeners who can pick up the
> >station during the day. Please respond if you live far from New York
> >and can tune in the station during the daylight hours.
> >
With my GE SuperRadio III, or even on my car radio on the way to work (north of
Boston) WCBS can be heard during the day.
WFAN, on the other hand, *is* a problem, at least up here in the Merrimack
Valley, because of WRKO at 680. IIRC, their signal is beamed from Burlington
and is extremely strong toward the Northeast. While the pattern is such to
protect other signals, this is probably a carryover from the days when WLAW had
the 680 frequency and was licensed to Lawrence, not Boston. When WNAC took
over that slot on the dial , they were still licensed to Lawrence through the
1950s.
I may have mentioned this before - but in the early-mid 1960s, there were two
Boston based rock'n'roll stations. One was WBZ, but they went to a call-in
talk show in the evening - Bob Kennedy's "Contact" show, which was the
forerunner to the present day David Brudnoy show. And WMEX could not be heard
at night. So kids in the Merrimack Valley listed to .... WABC, New York.
Ron Hardin
>
> WCBS comes in clear in Edgartown MA all day long.
Just today (Jan 20) I copied Toronto's ``AM 740'' clear channel station
in Central Ohio all day long, a distance of 300 miles.
All the daytime hourly news intros from 8am to 6pm are saved at
http://rhhardin.home.mindspring.com/cbl.ra (189k) just to
illustrate.
Worst fading is at sunrise (7:45) and sunset (5:30).
It's fairly constant in the daytime otherwise, low but listenable,
and then very strong at night of course.
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