440 repeater
Jed Barton
Hey there guys, I was wondering if any of you could shed some light on a
440 machine. I have a 440 frequency that I am going to put a machine on.
My question is do any of you have suggestions on types of machines. I am
looking for one that is fairly easy to get up and running and is relyable.
I don't want to be visiting the repeater sight every week, forget that. I
have heard good things about Icom and Yasu. Any help would be
appreciated. 73 de n1jbc
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| Jed Barton <j...@conan.ids.net> Emerson College |
| Phone: (617)728-1971 Undergraduate School |
| Amateur call: n1jbc (general class) Boston, Ma 02116 |
| "I may be blind, but my resume tells the whole story." |
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Michael P. Deignan
ATTENTION:
The poster of this message, Edwin "Jed" Barton (N1JBC), is a notorious
jammer/repeater hacker in Rhode Island. He has been legally banned from
several machines in the Southeastern New England area. Exploits of
his career are available upon request, but have also appeared in
the Amateur Radio Newsline posted to this newsgroup.
**DO NOT** provide him with any information regarding the internal
operations of repeater systems. He *WILL* use that information in an
attempt to hack into area repeater systems that have remote control
operator input capabilities. He has used knowledge, such as vendor-
default feature codes, to hack into repeater controllers in the past.
Rest assured that ANY information you provide to him will *NOT* be
used to "help" him, but will instead *HURT* us, the repeater owners
and operators in Southern New England.
Mike Deignan
KD1HZ
In article <Pine.SUN.3.93.96052...@conan.ids.net>,
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Ronald Bouthillier
MPD>The poster of this message, Edwin "Jed" Barton (N1JBC), is a notorious
MPD>jammer/repeater hacker in Rhode Island. He has been legally banned from
MPD>several machines in the Southeastern New England area. Exploits of
MPD>his career are available upon request, but have also appeared in
MPD>the Amateur Radio Newsline posted to this newsgroup.
I would like to see this, because I know more of what has happened then
you think. I will get to that in this message.
MPD>**DO NOT** provide him with any information regarding the internal
MPD>operations of repeater systems. He *WILL* use that information in an
MPD>attempt to hack into area repeater systems that have remote control
MPD>operator input capabilities. He has used knowledge, such as vendor-
MPD>default feature codes, to hack into repeater controllers in the past.
I think he may know more then you think and I beleave more then you
about the operation of repeaters and the way to conduct your self
without making SLANDEREST REMARKS AND DEFAMATION OF CHARCATER witch is
unlawful. I would also like to know how you can legally band him from
a repeater, I may be wrong but you and the 146.700 group don't own the
freq. If I am wrong Mike I would like to know how you can do that
because I know someone that I would like to have this so called letter
to stop a Ham from useing the freq..
Let me tell you something about your so called jamming. I was talking to
N1JBC one nite on 440Mhz and there was someone on the CB 146.700
repeater at the same time he was useing the TM-733 to talk to me
because he needs that radio to get into this repeater. At the same time
he was talking to me there was someone on the CB freq jamming and I was
hearing this via his trans. of the 146.700 CB freq. with the Mute off. I
heard them blame him for the jamming and they kept it up for about 1
hour before I thought someone should tell them that they are wrong. So I
whent to 146.700 (something I haven't done in years) and told the three
ops that he wasn't the one doing this and one of your so called smart
repeater trustees told me I did not know what I was talking about
because this radio he was listening to was the same one he
finger-printed and that is his TM-733 (WRONG WRONG). Now as far as I
know and I hope that someone can help me on this but you can't talk to
someone on 440 and transmit on 2 meters at the same time and then also
let the person that your talking to on 440 hear what is going on. Again
I may be wrong because I have only been in the hobby for 13 years and
you may be smarter (HI).
So I beleave that if you had this solid proof you better give it to the
FCC and let them take care of it, but if not KEEP YOUR MOUTH CLOSED.
By the way you are not wanted on a few repeaters in Ri yourself, and I
know that because I own two of them and mine aren't the only ones RIGHT.
By the way the message you sent will be sent to N1JBC and I hope he has
the sence to file a suit, because if it was me I would see you in court.
Have a nice day and if you would like to keep this up I can tell
everyone reading this messages more about this great 146.700 CB freq.
like the autopatch and tring to call the state police....
Ron N1OLF
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Jim Kehler
ronald.bo...@chowda.com (Ronald Bouthillier) wrote:
>Ron N1OLF
Couldn't you girls take care of this via private email ? I doubt
seriously that the whole world cares about repeaters in New
England.
73, Jim KH2D
Jed Barton
Hey there Ron thank you for your input on the situation. You are correct
in all reguards. It appears that this person kd1hz still has no sense of
what the hobby is really about. It is about having fun. Well for Mr.
MPD's information I have a 220 machine on the air and soon coming a 440
machine, both of witch he is not welcome on. I will personally shut him
off. Further this MPD is not allowed on the quahog repeater network.
That is from myself and the rest of the trustees. So if kd1hz stays on
his own machine it will make life a lot easier for everyone. Have a good
day.
Landing
> pacri...@kuentos.guam.net (Jim Kehler) writes:
>
> 73, Jim KH2D
i still need guam for DXCCCCCCCC...ur 59 nnj
sooo???? where's my qsl card??? it's been 3 nano seconds and i haven't
rec'd it yet
mphi...@anomaly.ideamation.com
In article <96052300...@chowda.com>,
Ronald Bouthillier <ronald.bo...@chowda.com> wrote:
>I would like to see this, because I know more of what has happened then
>you think.
Its more apparent that you don't "know" anything. You've merely swallowed the N1JBC "I'm just a poor little blind boy! They're picking on me" line; hook, line, and sinker.
>I think he may know more then you think and I beleave more then you
I can't parse this sentence.
>without making SLANDEREST REMARKS AND DEFAMATION OF CHARCATER witch is
>unlawful.
Well at least we know what orifice you are talking out of. I'll give you a free clue: slander and libel are not criminal (hence, unlawful) actions, they are civil (tort) actions.
>I would also like to know how you can legally band him from
>a repeater, I may be wrong but you and the 146.700 group don't own the
>freq.
A "repeater" is a piece of private property. The FCC has clearly indicated that Part 97 allows a repeater trustee to limit access to his/her machine.
>If I am wrong Mike I would like to know how you can do that
>because I know someone that I would like to have this so called letter
>to stop a Ham from useing the freq..
Write to the ARRL's regulatory affairs office and ask for a copy of the FCC letter from the CLARA case a couple of years ago.
>Let me tell you something about your so called jamming. I was talking to
>N1JBC one nite on 440Mhz and there was someone on the CB 146.700
>repeater at the same time he was useing the TM-733 to talk to me
>because he needs that radio to get into this repeater. At the same time
>he was talking to me there was someone on the CB freq jamming and I was
>hearing this via his trans. of the 146.700 CB freq. with the Mute off. I
>heard them blame him for the jamming and they kept it up for about 1
>hour before I thought someone should tell them that they are wrong. So I
>whent to 146.700 (something I haven't done in years) and told the three
>ops that he wasn't the one doing this and one of your so called smart
>repeater trustees told me I did not know what I was talking about
>because this radio he was listening to was the same one he
>finger-printed and that is his TM-733 (WRONG WRONG).
Last time I knew Mike wasn't a control operator on 146.70, and he's the only person I know of that has both RF fingerprinting and doppler DFing equipment all rigged to run off a laptop in the back seat of his Ford Explorer. Of course you wouldn't know this because your buddy Barton didn't know about it either until he had been caught with his proverbial pants down.
>Now as far as I
>know and I hope that someone can help me on this but you can't talk to
>someone on 440 and transmit on 2 meters at the same time and then also
>let the person that your talking to on 440 hear what is going on. Again
>I may be wrong because I have only been in the hobby for 13 years and
>you may be smarter (HI).
Doesn't take a genius, only someone with two radios at their disposal that doesn't overload the front end of the other. Someone with say a mobile radio and an HT.
All you are describing are typical N1JBC "blame deflection" tactics. He uses them regularly to attempt to create "alibis" for himself. Even Judy KC1RI caught him red-handed doing this once.
>So I beleave that if you had this solid proof you better give it to the
>FCC and let them take care of it, but if not KEEP YOUR MOUTH CLOSED.
My understanding is that copies of everything were sent "through channels" - the ARRL OOC for RI then dropped the ball and "befriended" the Barrington Bandit in an attempt to "convert him" rather than doing his job of getting jamming scumballs off the airwaves. So much for rules enforcement and going through the system.
>Have a nice day and if you would like to keep this up I can tell
>everyone reading this messages more about this great 146.700 CB freq.
>like the autopatch and tring to call the state police....
You mean the time one of Jed's buddies in Coventry kept entering the state police emergency dial number? Please continue with your 146.700 "Channel 19" stories as we always can use a good giggle.
Mark
Ed Ellers
Ronald Bouthillier <ronald.bo...@chowda.com> writes:
>I think he may know more then you think and I beleave more then you
>a repeater, I may be wrong but you and the 146.700 group don't own the
>because I know someone that I would like to have this so called letter
>to stop a Ham from useing the freq..
licensee darn well CAN stop anyone he wants from using the repeater.
Ronald Bouthillier
MP>From: mphi...@anomaly.ideamation.com
MP>Subject: Re: Moron speaks!!
MP>Its more apparent that you don't "know" anything. You've merely swallowed th
MP>1JBC "I'm just a poor little blind boy! They're picking on me" line; hook, l
MP>, and sinker.
I have heard this go on for 2 years and I think you killed the subjust,
DON'T you.
MP>Well at least we know what orifice you are talking out of. I'll give you a f
MP> clue: slander and libel are not criminal (hence, unlawful) actions, they ar
MP>ivil (tort) actions.
You can't do that and demean a someone without proof of what you say. So
if something is said make sure you have proved it first because it could
make you spend a lot of time where you don't want to be..
MP>A "repeater" is a piece of private property. The FCC has clearly indicated t
MP> Part 97 allows a repeater trustee to limit access to his/her machine.
Your right THE REPEATER NOT THE FREQ, Think about it
QUOTE:: Here's what happened in a recent case in Washington state:
FCC new release-"#Working closely with the Amateur Auxiliary, the
Federal Communication Commission (FCC) was able to issue a Notice of
Apparent Liability and subsequent Notice of Forfieture to Mr. Billie
Prell, N7FAQ, of Pasco, Washington.
The action against the amateur wa triggered by numerous complaints from
other amateurs that Mr. Prell was transmitting on 146.04 MHz for the
sole purpose of disrupting the communications already in progress on
that freq. The intenional jamming signals were directly observed and
identified by members of the Amateur Auxiliary's Local interference
Committee (LIC). The LIC forward the pertinent information to the local
FCC office for investigation and enforcement."
THIS IS WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE, NOT WHAT YOU ARE DOING....
MP>Write to the ARRL's regulatory affairs office and ask for a copy of the FCC
MP>ter from the CLARA case a couple of years ago.
If this letter was sent to N1JBC and was proven true, I don't think he
would have a Ham Lic. anymore ....
MP>Last time I knew Mike wasn't a control operator on 146.70, and he's the only
MP>rson I know of that has both RF fingerprinting and doppler DFing equipment a
MP>rigged to run off a laptop in the back seat of his Ford Explorer. Of course
MP> wouldn't know this because your buddy Barton didn't know about it either un
MP> he had been caught with his proverbial pants down.
i don't care what he has in the back of his truck. The point is that I
was on the radio with him and I know he was on the 733 because he has to
use this to get into that repeater. So if he was on that talking to me
and at the same time this was going on. Note that he was also letting me
here this via has radio at the same time talking to me. Now this so
called smart person told me that he KNOWS IT WAS HIM BECAUSE IT WAS THE
SAME (get this now read slow), the same radio that he has been using to
do the jamming the 733. Now with as a Advanced class I think you know
that you can't transmit on 2 meters talk to someone on 440 and let him
hear what is going on the 2 meter side. The BIG POINT here is that he
told me he was sure and I was wrong because he has the prints to prove
it. NOT SO IT CAN"T BE DONE WITH THE SAME RADIO AND DAM WELL KNOW THAT.
MP>Doesn't take a genius, only someone with two radios at their disposal that d
MP>n't overload the front end of the other. Someone with say a mobile radio and
MP> HT.
Read above please, thank you....
MP>All you are describing are typical N1JBC "blame deflection" tactics. He uses
MP>em regularly to attempt to create "alibis" for himself. Even Judy KC1RI caug
MP>him red-handed doing this once.
Good then do something, you just don't say things and send them in
messages to the world. I think you can agree with that.
MP>>So I beleave that if you had this solid proof you better give it to the
MP>>FCC and let them take care of it, but if not KEEP YOUR MOUTH CLOSED.
MP>My understanding is that copies of everything were sent "through channels" -
MP>e ARRL OOC for RI then dropped the ball and "befriended" the Barrington Band
MP>in an attempt to "convert him" rather than doing his job of getting jamming
MP>mballs off the airwaves. So much for rules enforcement and going through the
MP>stem.
I find that hard to beleave, or maybe you did but they didn't find
solid proof of your Allocations. Only someone know that in the 70
group.
MP>>Have a nice day and if you would like to keep this up I can tell
MP>>everyone reading this messages more about this great 146.700 CB freq.
MP>>like the autopatch and tring to call the state police....
MP>You mean the time one of Jed's buddies in Coventry kept entering the state p
MP>ce emergency dial number? Please continue with your 146.700 "Channel 19" sto
MP>s as we always can use a good giggle.
Lets talk about 1R and others and know that.
Now this is getting good Mark. No lets talk about the time I was on my
way home from Boston about 7 years ago (and I don't even think you had
a lic. at the time) when I saw a accident on I-95 at 2am and I was a
member. I tried to use the autopatch to call the State Police and was
dumped by someone saying that I shouldn't use the autopatch that way, I
should make a general call to see if someone could call for me. Now I
know and I think you know that if there is a accident you want to be
able to do the talking to the Police not go through 2 or more ops.
Since then I haven't been on that freq and don't care to be. Now if your
going to say something like that you sure as hell better know what your
talking about before you open your mouth.
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Ron N1OLF
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Ronald Bouthillier
Mark lets keep this private we don't have to send shit like this all
over the world. AGREED ??
Now we both know that 146.700 needs a lot of help and by doing what Mike
did isn't helping it at all. I think and I believe that you know that
all has to be proved and you shouldn't start saying things like that
without justification. If one person has this it should be used with the
FCC not like this and you know that.
Now as far as you accusing me of the jamming the 70 freq by bringing up
the autopatch that is wrong and dam well know that. Don't just say
something to say it. I own two repeaters here in RI and I don't care to
use the others, I don't need to I have all the toys that 70 has and I
don't charge for it. my users can access the autopatch for free as long
as there are no toll calls. I also have the finger-print hooked up to
the repeater with a lap-top and I find it to work OK thats it.
The only thing N1JBC ask for is help in picking out a good repeater that
he would buy and put up. He already has a 220 up and has the 440 pair
already. If you and others don't want him on the 70 repeater you should
leave him be and let him use his own repeaters but some of the 70 group
just like to start trouble and you know that. So instead of helping this
trouble start you shoud be a concerned ham and tell Mike to leave things
alone and not to start more shit like he is trying to do.
From the previous message about the TM-733 you know I am right about the
transmitting on the 2 meters and 440 at the same time. Now people like
that say thing to others and they all beleave it, and that starts more
shit and you know that is wrong. Its like me saying that you come to my
two repeaters and jam them up all the time, you know I am going to get
someone to beleave me and then that person is going to get someone to
beleave him and so on. See how things happen. The big thing is that I am
not defending JBC I don't think that the message was called for and I
think you know that. If he has jammed the repeater i think it should be
taken care of the right way not by talking bad about someone in messages
going all over the world, I think you should agree with that ?
the big question is that now that N1JBC don't go to the 70 repeater is
all the jamming gone (NO) and has anyone blamed him for the jamming that
is going on now (YES) that is wrong because they ASSUM that it is him
and it makes others beleave that person. the matter should be dropped
and let go but persons like Mike just keep it going to make trouble and
that is wrong, am I right ??
Now I am not sayiong that all the users on 70 are have bad operating
prictices but there are many of them that do and the club has lost many
members because of this and you know that. i myself was a very hard
member of 70 many years ago and helped with all the public service
events fathfuly every year till the repeater got so bad that it wasn't
worth the money to use the repeater anymore. Now you know that I am not
the only one, take a look at the persons that where there before and the
ones that are there now ZGG, 1B, 1Z, GCT, 1E, 1N and family (5 hams),
1X, and many others, and some of them got such a bad tast in there mouth
with ham radio by being on 70 they don't even get on the radio anymore.
I know you have seen this happen if you been on a long time. there were
even members that would give all the new users a hard time about the way
they came on the repeater instead of helping them with the right
practises of ham radio, now that is WRONG WRONG WRONG. Also when two or
more Home stations are in QSO that are able to go to simplex without any
trouble they stay there tring up the best coverage repeater and making
the mobiles move to another repeater , that is WRONG the repeaters are
there mainly for low power radios that can't QSO via simplex ie: HT's
and MOBILE radios. One more Page Ron N1OLF
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Ronald Bouthillier
Well I don't believe I am right about everything but you and Mike are
not right also. I think we would like to get the same thing out of the
hobby but it will not come from what Mike and others are putting out
over the world.
The bad thing is that the only person that is getting hurt by this is
someone that isn't even bothering with the 70 repeater and don't wish to
so all the persons talking about him should stop and let it go and find
others that are doing the jamming now and stop blaming JBC for
everything that happens on 70 that they don't like.
I hope you can see my point of view.
Ron N1OLF
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* SLMR 2.1a * On a clear disk you can seek forever
mphi...@anomaly.ideamation.com
ronald.bo...@chowda.com spews:
> I have heard this go on for 2 years and I think you killed the subjust,
> DON'T you.
I'm not the one who brought the subject up to begin with.
> You can't do that and demean a someone without proof of what you say. So
> if something is said make sure you have proved it first because it could
> make you spend a lot of time where you don't want to be..
Are you completely clueless? Do you have any understanding of the difference between a civil and criminal action? Repeat after me: Libel and Slander are Civil actions. Libel and Slander are Civil actions.
> Your right THE REPEATER NOT THE FREQ, Think about it
> QUOTE:: (deleted for brevity)
> THIS IS WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE, NOT WHAT YOU ARE DOING....
I haven't done anything. However, information was mailed to WA1ZGG, the ARRL OOC for Rhode Island, regarding Mr. Barton's jamming and repeater hacking activities. The OOC ***DID NOTHING*** about it, except "take him under his wing". Boy that's really great an OOC befriending a jammer. That makes me warm and fuzzy all over.
> If this letter was sent to N1JBC and was proven true, I don't think he
> would have a Ham Lic. anymore ....
Oh clueless one: the letter I referred to was a letter sent by Jim Johnston of the Private Radio Bureau of the FCC to an attorney representing CLARA (a repeater group in Calif.). In that letter Mr. Johnston states that existing Part 97 regulations allow repeater trustees to ban users from their repeater. This is exactly what was done to your "poor little blind boy". If you doubt the letter exists contact the ARRL regulatory affairs bureau for a copy.
> i don't care what he has in the back of his truck. The point is that I
> was on the radio with him and I know he was on the 733 because he has to
> use this to get into that repeater. So if he was on that talking to me
> and at the same time this was going on. Note that he was also letting me
> here this via has radio at the same time talking to me. Now this so
> called smart person told me that he KNOWS IT WAS HIM BECAUSE IT WAS THE
> SAME (get this now read slow), the same radio that he has been using to
> do the jamming the 733. Now with as a Advanced class I think you know
> that you can't transmit on 2 meters talk to someone on 440 and let him
> hear what is going on the 2 meter side. The BIG POINT here is that he
> told me he was sure and I was wrong because he has the prints to prove
> it. NOT SO IT CAN"T BE DONE WITH THE SAME RADIO AND DAM WELL KNOW THAT.
As far as I know the only people in the state of RI that have "transmitter fingerprinting" equipment are Mike (kd1hz) and Bill Torrissi (ka1jnp). Was the person you spoke to either one of them? Somehow I doubt it.
> Good then do something, you just don't say things and send them in
> messages to the world. I think you can agree with that.
Something was done, and the system that is in existance failed.
> I find that hard to beleave, or maybe you did but they didn't find
> solid proof of your Allocations. Only someone know that in the 70
> group.
I'm not the one who made the initial allegations, nor am I the person that collected the evidence. I have, though, seen the evidence. Times, dates, beam headings from several listening stations, transmitter fingerprints of the offending party both "jamming" and later "talking", and a log of DFing activity.
I can't parse your second sentence.
> Lets talk about 1R and others and know that.
1R? You mean the nazi?
> Now this is getting good Mark. No lets talk about the time I was on my
> way home from Boston about 7 years ago (and I don't even think you had
> a lic. at the time) when I saw a accident on I-95 at 2am and I was a
> member. I tried to use the autopatch to call the State Police and was
> dumped by someone saying that I shouldn't use the autopatch that way, I
> should make a general call to see if someone could call for me. Now I
> know and I think you know that if there is a accident you want to be
> able to do the talking to the Police not go through 2 or more ops.
> Since then I haven't been on that freq and don't care to be. Now if your
> going to say something like that you sure as hell better know what your
> talking about before you open your mouth.
What is your point? .70 is filled with more clueless bozos than I care to count. Am I supposed to be somehow offended by you insulting a club that I'm not even a member of? Hell, I go out of my way to make fun of .70, and I hope it stays like that. That way it attracts the "bugs" like a big light in the middle of a field, and keeps the other repeaters in the area free and clear of the morons and "instant extras".
Let's not lose focus of the original article: People should not give n1jbc "inside" info on repeaters because he uses that info to hack in to other repeater systems. He has done it before and you know what they say about a leopard and its spots.
Mark
> page 1 or 2
> Ron N1OLF
>
> ---
mphi...@anomaly.ideamation.com
In message <96052414...@chowda.com>, ronald.bo...@chowda.com spews:
> Mark lets keep this private we don't have to send shit like this all
> over the world. AGREED ??
That's just what jamming scumballs like n1jbc like; to keep things hidden from the rest of the world. I think not.
> Now we both know that 146.700 needs a lot of help and by doing what Mike
> did isn't helping it at all. I think and I believe that you know that
> all has to be proved and you shouldn't start saying things like that
> without justification. If one person has this it should be used with the
> FCC not like this and you know that.
What does one thing have to do with the other? What does catching n1jbc red handed jamming and hacking into repeater systems have to do with other clueless morons on 70? Just because 70 is populated by a bunch of nit-wits doesn't excuse your poor blind boy's behavior does it?
> Now as far as you accusing me of the jamming the 70 freq by bringing up
> the autopatch that is wrong and dam well know that.
WHAT? What are you TALKING about? Are you reading the same message that I'm posting? I never claimed any such thing, unless your name is Edwin "Jed" Barton. I suggest you go back and re-read the messages in question.
> don't charge for it. my users can access the autopatch for free as long
> as there are no toll calls. I also have the finger-print hooked up to
> the repeater with a lap-top and I find it to work OK thats it.
I'm glad you're contributing to ham radio in the area not detracting from it like the poor little blind boy.
> The only thing N1JBC ask for is help in picking out a good repeater that
> he would buy and put up. He already has a 220 up and has the 440 pair
> already. If you and others don't want him on the 70 repeater you should
> leave him be and let him use his own repeaters but some of the 70 group
> just like to start trouble and you know that. So instead of helping this
> trouble start you shoud be a concerned ham and tell Mike to leave things
> alone and not to start more shit like he is trying to do.
I'm not a member of 70 so I could really care less if the poor little blind boy is a member or is allowed on or not. I do know though that he is a lying scumbag that jams and hacks into repeater systems. How many times has Jed asked you for "the codes" to your machines? How many times have you heard "bleep, bleep" at 3 or 4am? 4am, 4pm its all the same when you're blind.
> >From the previous message about the TM-733 you know I am right about the
> transmitting on the 2 meters and 440 at the same time. Now people like
> that say thing to others and they all beleave it, and that starts more
> shit and you know that is wrong. Its like me saying that you come to my
> two repeaters and jam them up all the time, you know I am going to get
> someone to beleave me and then that person is going to get someone to
> beleave him and so on. See how things happen. The big thing is that I am
> not defending JBC I don't think that the message was called for and I
> think you know that. If he has jammed the repeater i think it should be
> taken care of the right way not by talking bad about someone in messages
> going all over the world, I think you should agree with that ?
no i don't agree with it. If Charlie Manson hacks into computer systems and Charlie Manson shows up on rec.radio asking for "AOL passwords", should you stand by and let a crime occur? If you fail to warn people you are as bad as the person committing the crime; an accessory before the fact.
> the big question is that now that N1JBC don't go to the 70 repeater is
> all the jamming gone (NO) and has anyone blamed him for the jamming that
> is going on now (YES) that is wrong because they ASSUM that it is him
> and it makes others beleave that person. the matter should be dropped
> and let go but persons like Mike just keep it going to make trouble and
> that is wrong, am I right ??
If one of the bozo control operators "assumes" its him, its His problem. Barton made his bed when he jammed/hacked repeater systems, so now he has to lie in it. Oh, and your buddy Jed has been DFed jamming 70 After he was told not to show up there, but the poor little blind boy probably didn't tell you that huh?
> Now I am not sayiong that all the users on 70 are have bad operating
> prictices but there are many of them that do and the club has lost many
> members because of this and you know that.
What's your point? I'm not a member so I could care less if 70 disappears tommorrow, although that would mean the bozos would start showing up on other repeaters, which is a bad thing.
> I know you have seen this happen if you been on a long time. there were
> even members that would give all the new users a hard time about the way
> they came on the repeater instead of helping them with the right
> practises of ham radio, now that is WRONG WRONG WRONG. Also when two or
> more Home stations are in QSO that are able to go to simplex without any
> trouble they stay there tring up the best coverage repeater and making
> the mobiles move to another repeater , that is WRONG the repeaters are
> there mainly for low power radios that can't QSO via simplex ie: HT's
> and MOBILE radios. One more Page Ron N1OLF
And again your point is.... what? A bunch of clueless bozos on 70 doesn't excuse your buddy's jamming and repeater hacking activities.
Mark
mphi...@anomaly.ideamation.com
In message <96052414...@chowda.com>, ronald.bo...@chowda.com blathers:
> Well I don't believe I am right about everything but you and Mike are
> not right also. I think we would like to get the same thing out of the
> hobby but it will not come from what Mike and others are putting out
> over the world.
I for one am glad its out in the open. I don't go for the catheloc church "transfer the pedophile and it will all go away" approach. People who have no respect for the regulations have no respect for the hobby and should be exposed as the charlatans that they are.
> The bad thing is that the only person that is getting hurt by this is
> someone that isn't even bothering with the 70 repeater and don't wish to
> so all the persons talking about him should stop and let it go and find
> others that are doing the jamming now and stop blaming JBC for
> everything that happens on 70 that they don't like.
Boo hoo hoo. the poor little blind boy. "They're picking on me. See, see, they're picking on me." We've heard it all before. Ask KA1RCI why he banned Barton from his packetcluster. Better yet, ask Mike how he stood up for Barton and then had to eat his words and apologize to RCI publically because Barton was caught Yet Again jamming and hacking systems.
I have no sympathy for Barton. He's a lowlife scum that shouldn't have a radio license.
> I hope you can see my point of view.
Sorry, no such luck.
Mark
Tony Pelliccio
In article <96052414...@chowda.com>,
Ronald Bouthillier <ronald.bo...@chowda.com> wrote:
>MP>From: mphi...@anomaly.ideamation.com
>MP>Subject: Re: Moron speaks!!
>
>
>MP>Its more apparent that you don't "know" anything. You've merely swallowed th
>MP>1JBC "I'm just a poor little blind boy! They're picking on me" line; hook, l
>MP>, and sinker.
>
>I have heard this go on for 2 years and I think you killed the subjust,
>DON'T you.
The subject (Get a spell checker Ron!) can never go away. So long as
N1JBC goes sniffing for repeater information somebody has to post
an article warning people about him.
>
>MP>Well at least we know what orifice you are talking out of. I'll give you a f
>MP> clue: slander and libel are not criminal (hence, unlawful) actions, they ar
>MP>ivil (tort) actions.
>
>You can't do that and demean a someone without proof of what you say. So
>if something is said make sure you have proved it first because it could
>make you spend a lot of time where you don't want to be..
I hereby vouch for both KD1HZ and Mark Phillips - I've helped to collect
the evidence against N1JBC. It **is** real. In addition, KD1HZ and I
aren't the only ones who've traced the interference to it's source.
>
>MP>A "repeater" is a piece of private property. The FCC has clearly indicated t
>MP> Part 97 allows a repeater trustee to limit access to his/her machine.
>
>Your right THE REPEATER NOT THE FREQ, Think about it
Reference 97.205e if you need a refresher. The case of repeaters and
frequency ownership are in a very gray area. For example, KD1HZ has a
repeater coordinated on the 70cm band. While it would be ok for another
amateur to park on his output frequency and transmit it's not good
amateur practice to do so. Neither is it good practice to have a simplex
conversation on the input frequency. KD1HZ did exactly what he had to
do to stop N1JBC. Why should KD1HZ have to shut his repeater off and
deny his associates and friends the use of the repeater so that Mr.
Barton can have his little parties on the air?
>
>QUOTE:: Here's what happened in a recent case in Washington state:
>FCC new release-"#Working closely with the Amateur Auxiliary, the
>Federal Communication Commission (FCC) was able to issue a Notice of
>Apparent Liability and subsequent Notice of Forfieture to Mr. Billie
>Prell, N7FAQ, of Pasco, Washington.
>The action against the amateur wa triggered by numerous complaints from
>other amateurs that Mr. Prell was transmitting on 146.04 MHz for the
>sole purpose of disrupting the communications already in progress on
>that freq. The intenional jamming signals were directly observed and
>identified by members of the Amateur Auxiliary's Local interference
>Committee (LIC). The LIC forward the pertinent information to the local
>FCC office for investigation and enforcement."
>THIS IS WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE, NOT WHAT YOU ARE DOING....
>
This is what does happen in some parts of the country but here in
New England we've got alot of Hat & Badge men. While I don't necessarily
fault the OOC - after all who wants to initiate an action against
someone as slippery as Jed Barton? Fortunately someone else had the
intestinal fortitude to do something about it.
>
>MP>Write to the ARRL's regulatory affairs office and ask for a copy of the FCC
>MP>ter from the CLARA case a couple of years ago.
>
>If this letter was sent to N1JBC and was proven true, I don't think he
>would have a Ham Lic. anymore ....
>
Duh! Buy a clue Ronny.
>
>MP>Last time I knew Mike wasn't a control operator on 146.70, and he's the only
>MP>rson I know of that has both RF fingerprinting and doppler DFing equipment a
>MP>rigged to run off a laptop in the back seat of his Ford Explorer. Of course
>MP> wouldn't know this because your buddy Barton didn't know about it either un
>MP> he had been caught with his proverbial pants down.
>
>
>MP>My understanding is that copies of everything were sent "through channels" -
>MP>e ARRL OOC for RI then dropped the ball and "befriended" the Barrington Band
>MP>in an attempt to "convert him" rather than doing his job of getting jamming
>MP>mballs off the airwaves. So much for rules enforcement and going through the
>MP>stem.
>
>I find that hard to beleave, or maybe you did but they didn't find
>solid proof of your Allocations. Only someone know that in the 70
>group.
Allocations? Perhaps you need something a bit stronger than a spell
checker. Enough information was sent through channels to the appropriate
people and the ball was dropped. See my reasoning above.
>
>Lets talk about 1R and others and know that.
This, ladies and gentleman - is truly getting ridiculous.
>
Tony
--
== Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
== As offensive as I wanna be.
== kd...@anomaly.ideamation.com
Tony Pelliccio
In article <96052414...@chowda.com>,
Ronald Bouthillier <ronald.bo...@chowda.com> wrote:
>Well I don't believe I am right about everything but you and Mike are
>not right also. I think we would like to get the same thing out of the
>hobby but it will not come from what Mike and others are putting out
>over the world.
>someone that isn't even bothering with the 70 repeater and don't wish to
>so all the persons talking about him should stop and let it go and find
>others that are doing the jamming now and stop blaming JBC for
>everything that happens on 70 that they don't like.
>
Are you a complete nitwit? It's not just the 146.700 repeater that
N1JBC was caught on, there were a few others. You've just fallen
into the "Poor Little Blind Boy" trap and can't get up.
Ronald Bouthillier
TP>Are you a complete nitwit? It's not just the 146.700 repeater that
TP>N1JBC was caught on, there were a few others. You've just fallen
TP>into the "Poor Little Blind Boy" trap and can't get up.
Well lets play kid's name games that good..
What are the other repeaters then??? make sure your right because he was
blamed for doing it to mine and I know it wasn't him I was with him that
day giving him a ride to HRO. Now that one was a good one, but yet your
so smart and I'm a nitwit he may have had a HT under my seat doing this.
If you want to reply drop the baby games.
Ron
---
Michael P. Deignan
In article <96052812...@chowda.com>,
Ronald Bouthillier <ronald.bo...@chowda.com> wrote:
>What are the other repeaters then???
Jed Barton, N1JBC, was caught by KA1RCI jamming and/or hacking one of RCI's
repeaters. N1JBC was also caught jamming a RACES drill by KA1JNP, although
I do not know if this was on JNP's machine or not. KA1AIR has caught Barton
"playing with tones" in an attempt to access remote control operator functions
on his repeater, and I have caught Barton jamming/hacking both the 146.70 and my
machine.
Those are the accounts that I have "first-hand" knowledge of (directly told
to me by the abovelisted parties.) I have also heard numerous other "second-
hand" stories, but I have never referred to them as I consider them rumors
and not facts.
It is true that Barton is blamed for a large portion of the jamming/hacking
that goes on in the state, and perhaps he is wrongly accused on many
occasions. That's too bad. As someone else put it: he made his bed, so now
he has to lay in it.
MD
Brian Kantor
>Well lets play kid's name games that good..
^no apostrophe here
>
>What are the other repeaters then??? make sure your right because he was
^UC
>blamed for doing it to mine and I know it wasn't him I was with him that
or semicolon
>day giving him a ride to HRO. Now that one was a good one, but yet your
>so smart and I'm a nitwit he may have had a HT under my seat doing this.
^missing comma
>
>If you want to reply drop the baby games.
>
>Ron