NZART Headquarters Infoline Issue 208
jamie pye
NZART Headquarters Infoline Issue 208
13-JUNE-2010
NZART Website: http://www.nzart.org.nz/
Greetings
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In This Issue
*Digital Amateur Television (DATV) Equipment-Bulk Purchase Scheme
*From The Business Manager ZL2TDM
*The Struggle For NZART Membership Has Not Changed in 80 Years!
*Annual Conference Stirrers Award
*NZART Young Amateur of The Year Award with Rules below table
*There's a New Game in Town! - AMATEUR RADIO!
*The Rugby World Cup 2011
*Amateur Radio Operator Charged in NZ For Operating at 3100 watts
*RSM Call Book Database to be Put Onto The NZART Website
*Fmtag Notes For June 2010
*Intruder Alerts
*Meccano Robots
*Photos: The Hands-Off Future of Controlling Computers
*Small Cube Satellite Named Negai
*Web Update
*Upcoming Events
*Contest News
==VHF/UHF/SHF Contest Notes
==HF Contests
*General Information For Break-In and HQ Infoline
*Attachment(s) for Branches: NZART Headquarters Infoline 208.doc
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DIGITAL AMATEUR TELEVISION (DATV) EQUIPMENT
BULK PURCHASE SCHEME
Following on from the success of the first bulk purchase scheme, the
Wellington VHF Group Incorporated is accepting orders for a second scheme,
closing at the end of June.
For more details please email:
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>From The Business Manager ZL2TDM
Debby says....
Conference weekend has once again been and gone and a great time had by all
who attended. No doubt there will be many stories or rumors floating round
about the entertainment on Sunday night which featured yours truly and your
President ZL2KH in a skit...hilarious to say the least.
The following points are some of the highlights and decisions made by
Council and members of the AGM.
Councils Motions:
A decision for NZART to make a contribution to Peter Lake ZL2AZ of $1,000 to
assist with expenses incurred while attending APG3 was carried unanimously
by Council in appreciation of Peter's commitment to amateur radio nationally
and internationally.
That 2011 subscription remains at $95 with a rebate increase of $15 if paid
by 30 November 2010. All other subscription levies will remain the same. I
(ZL2TDM ED) feel it is also timely that we encourage people to either pay
early or on a monthly basis. It was noted that there has not been an
increase in subscriptions since 2004 at the Blenheim Conference. Therefore I
(ZL2TDM ED) must stress the Association has absorbed annual inflation costs
over the past 6 years.
Council approved an application from ZL1TPH to join the FMTAG committee for
a trial period of 6 months.
Based on a paper for by the Business Manager and having considered all
possible options, council resolved that headquarters to remain in the same
location in Upper Hutt, in the interim, until a suitable lower cost option
becomes available. One of the options submitted by the Business Manager,
that Council considered, was a home office environment. There are technical
issues regarding access to computer based files, therefore Council further
decided that Evan Sayer be appointed to lead a project team to resolve
software issues regarding remote access to data.
Northern Region Councillor Phil King, ZL1PK is to review all the recently
received submissions on the future of NZART and prepare a summary for
Council's consideration. Phil will highlight and prioritise those areas
needing urgent attention.
The following motion was also passed as a result of these submissions. That
NZART implement a Membership drive at Branch level, with an incentive of 50%
of the first years subscription going back to Branches who sign up new
members. This also includes members that have not been NZART members within
the last 5 years.
Acting on a letter from Nelson Branch, Council gratefully received the
donation of a trophy by the Branch. This will be awarded in recognition of
candidates who have achieved high examination results in all age groups not
already covered in the Youth achievement award.
Council resolved on request from ZL1TPH and ZL4PLM to advise FMTAG, they see
no objection to a weak signal band between 2396 - 2400 MHz
Vaughan ZL1TGC updated Council on the Kordia situation. Site access has been
reinstated, however anyone having concerns regarding this is to contact
Vaughan. The Co-location Agreement has been signed with a copy being held at
NZART HQ.
A request was raised from the floor that the Headquarters Infoline be made
available in pdf format. ZL2KH will liaiase with ZL2NN to see the
feasibility of this.
Jim ZL2BHF also requested that all branch newsletters be sent electronically
to the ZL6A e-mail address if possible. This ensures branch information is
notified nationally on the official broadcast, keeping everyone informed of
branch events.
Remit 1 Lost on vote count
Remit 2 Carried on voices
Remit 3 Carried on voices
Remit 4 Lost on vote count
Remit 5 Lost on voices
Remit 6 Carried on voices
After remit 4 was decided - all delegates were polled to ascertain which of
their members were in favour of the introduction of an entry level licence.
The majority were not in favour of such a system - so there will be no entry
level licence introduced.
The Rothschild Cup was awarded to Nelson Branch again, for 14 successful
examination candidates in 2009.
Mark Gooding ZL2UFI invited us all to attend the 2011 conference in Upper
Hutt.
Ethan Brown ZL1AE and Jason Light ZL3LD both received the Youth achievement
award for 2009.
Denise Hider ZL3HI received the Arthur (Jumbo) Godfrey memorial award for
services to her branch.
Brian Farrell ZL1HN placed a motion to enable junior transmitting members to
attend conference at a reduced rate - this was lost
Gareth Bradshaw ZL3VP placed a motion for NZART to review ARX charges in
light of other branches offering this service for free - this was carried.
Other interesting points were raised which will be in the full version of
AGM minutes in the August Break In.
Mondays meeting of Council saw the following resolutions:
That Council appoint a National Training Officer for amateur radio
examinations. Appointment to be advised.
ZL1TGC and ZL2HD are tasked with producing a paper incorporating all NZART
Expenditure with a view of cost cutting where possible.
That Fred ZL2AMJ be tasked to update the NZART examination database within
12 months.
Furthermore: That a second exam database be recognized and remains the
property Wellington VHF Group and a transition period of 12 to 24 months at
the end of which, the existing one on the NZART web page be replaced.
NZART Council adopt a policy to encourage members to license or switch off
their amateur fixed stations (which is not covered by a GURL) if not
attended.
Following a motion passed at the AGM regarding ARX fees NZART Council
resolved:
1. All new amateurs receive their certificate of competency and call sign
free, paying $5 to cover administration costs to the branch.
2. All new amateurs must pay $95 to join the Association before they can
receive a call sign and certificate of competency free. If they pass as at 1
October their subscription will cease as at 31 December the following year.
NB: This cannot be used in conjunction with the NZART membership promotion
of new members submitted by NZART Branches I.E being eligible to claim the
50% rebate.
3. All other ARX fees remain the same to cover costs incurred for this
service, such as special event call signs, secondary call signs replacement
certificates, one letter call signs and changes to call signs.
That all Youth Achievement award recipients, NZART pay the conference
registration to attend conference in the year after they receive their
award, providing they are still NZART members.
Finally...Due to membership demand, changes to headquarters hours will be as
follows:
Tuesday - Friday 8:30am - 2:30pm Commencing Tuesday 22 June
'til next time....Debby ZL2TDM
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The Struggle For NZART Membership Has Not Changed in 80 Years!
BREAK-IN
EDITORIAL
Vol. IV. No. 5
WELLINGTON NZ
MAY, 1931
As this issue goes to print we feel that it would not be complete without
some reference to the numerous letters of appreciation that members have
sent to Headquarters. From the general tone of this Correspondence it is
patent that out efforts are meeting with a most gratifying reception and
have won the approval of most of the Amateurs in New Zealand.
As "Break-In" is the official organ of NZART, and in view of the fact that
we consider the well-being of the one to be closely bound up with the
interests of the other, we need scarcely emphasise the necessity for aiming
at an NZART that is strong numerically and financially. A numerically strong
NZART alone can support a really adequate magazine, and the magazine in turn
will react upon the strength of the organisation. Every Association of any
size depends upon an official organ to act as a leavening and a welding
force, and NZART, scattered as it is throughout the length and breadth of
New Zealand, has need of a strong "Break-In."
Every Amateur in New Zealand owes it to his hobby to join NZART. Only
through strong combination can we Amateurs hope to hold together in the face
of commercial interests that would fain encroach upon and usurp our Amateur
channels. We cannot appeal too strongly to all Amateurs to support the only
radio organisation in New Zealand that can offer them the strength that goes
with unity and the freedom that accompanies strength. Every loyal member of
our Association must make some sacrifice if NZART is to mean anything to
him, and we suggest that he can do most by urging his fellow-Amateurs to
sink their personal prejudices and combine with us in making NZART a truly
national organisation.
S.H.P., C.R.H.T.
(S.H.P. = S H Perry ZL2BC and C.R.H.T.= C R H Taylor ZL2DG) Ed
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Annual Conference Stirrers Award
There is always one person whose antics did not go unnoticed....
Year Awarded to Awarded For
2010 Frank Hunt ZL2BR For admitting (on receiving the spoon), that
the successful prosecution he had made was for an offence on 26 MHz, while
he was an RI
2009 Topsy Scott ZL2LS Claimed the attention of members at AGM by:
1. Dropping a packet of Jaffa's during the AGM that rolled noisily
everywhere, and
2. Falling over in the rush to be first to get the certificate for the
Nelson Branch, for the equally won Rothschilds Cup award
2008 Bruce Means ZL3BM After taking an active part in discussions he
said he is shy
2007 Vaughan Henderson ZL1TGC Which matched his earlier Gawdy Award
2005 Stuart Watchman ZL2TW 1. Arriving late at the Council meeting
2. Goading Auckland Branches regarding recruitment
2004 David Andrews ZL2SX Suggesting that if there wasn't a quorum for
the AGM we could always all go on a wine trail
2003 Debby Morgan ZL2TDM For stirring up members with her straight
talking speech
2002 Roy Symon ZL2KH 1. Use AM and use both side bands
2. Stop discussing withdrawn remits
2001 Brian Kidd ZL1AHZ For his comments regarding the 30 m band
2000 Roy Symon ZL2KH Get your existing rig stolen so you can get a new
one
1999 Peter Lake ZL2AZ Diplomatically advising Council of the Remit
types
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I reproduced the award above to draw your attention to the award below - not
awarded since 2005!
Jamie Pye ZL2NN
NZART Young Amateur of The Year Award with Rules below table
This award is sponsored by NZART and Com Centre. This NZART Award is to
recognise The Young Amateur of the Year.
Year Awarded to Reason Awarded
2010 -
2009 -
2008 -
2007 -
2006 No nominations received
2005 Alison Chandler ZL2KID Contribution to Manawatu Club at 11 years
old
2004 -
2003 Heidi McKenzie ZL4HAM
2002 Patrick Herd ZL2UPH
2001 Pamela Blackett ZL1PAM Special Youth Awards for 75th
Anniversary Conference
2001 Mark Foster ZL1VMF Special Youth Awards for 75th Anniversary
Conference
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There's a New Game in Town! - AMATEUR RADIO!
THERE'S A NEW GAME IN TOWN!
AMATEUR RADIO!
Be a part of it...
All you need to run Amateur Radio Classes is waiting for you!
TO INSTRUCTORS: "Your material is ready!"
NZART Council encourages more training classes to increase the pool of radio
amateurs, to add to the membership of the Association and to strengthen the
Amateur Service in New Zealand. The Wellington VHF Group Inc., Branch 74
NZART, with the Tauranga Emergency Communications Group, NZART Branch 88,
has successfully trialled new learning material and procedures for the new
entrant to Amateur Radio. It provides for candidates for the Amateur Radio
Examination working alone or in a class with hand-out notes to make the task
of the Instructor much easier. Any qualified radio amateur anywhere can now
be an Instructor.
A new 600-question question-bank is presented in a unique way to facilitate
easy question-and-answer revision tests using all the real examination
questions.
This teaching resource is ready for wider use and you are welcome to use it.
>From first contact with a new candidate to the after-exam certificate and
callsign processing, the procedure is entirely volunteer-based,
"amateur-helping-amateur", so the cost to use it is $(nil)! Please help to
increase interest in Amateur Radio in your community and establish a local
class. This help for you is at hand!
The material is freely available by download from:
http://www.vhf.org.nz/pubs/VHFGuide/
Read about it there. Download a set of the booklets and view the contents.
Print them double-sided and bind or staple them with transparent plastic
covers as shown. Enquiries to the email address on the web site are welcome.
Notification of your use of this material is required for examination and
processing reasons and prepared and sealed examination papers are provided
when required with ARX services following for the successful candidates.
The cost of printing this teaching material is on you. You may cover
printing costs and charge the students as you wish.
Book 1 includes an application form to join NZART. These can be printed from
the selected page in whatever quantity is required, one-per-candidate. Early
joining is a requested priority!
Remember: All you need to run Amateur Radio Classes is ready and waiting for
you!
Get your Branch involved now!
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The Rugby World Cup 2011
The Rugby World Cup 2011 is scheduled to take place in New Zealand 2011. It
can be confidently expected that there will be an invasion of large numbers
of fans, supporters and hangers-on in towns and cities where Cup events are
being held. There will be radio amateurs from overseas in and amongst them.
Council is now putting out a call for a volunteer(s) from the membership to
compile and to keep updated, a web page for the NZART web site to:
List the venues where World Cup events are being held with the date(s).
List the local amateur radio Branch/club meetings scheduled for (say) the
week before and the week after, at these venues.
Encourage special meetings for the purpose of welcome and fraternity
friendship.
Provide details of the correct name of the local Branch/club, with the
name(s) of a nominated contact person(s), callsign, email address, phone
number.
Advise who to contact to provide the details of any transport arrangements
to give visitors a lift to/from meetings.
List the local VHF and UHF repeaters and organise active monitoring of the
repeaters during the period.
Advise the arrangements for qualified visitors from overseas to operate in
NZ.
Advise overseas radio journals and overseas amateur radio news outlets in a
timely manner of the existence of the web page and its purpose and to advise
visitors to BRING YOUR HAND-HELD rig.
And to organise and attend to any other appropriate matters.
Anyone interested in doing this should please contact:
Roy Symon ZL2KH
25 Annandale St
New Plymouth 4310
Phone: 06-758-2156
Email: zl...@xtra.co.nz
http://www.nzart.org.nz/pdf/2010/The-Rugby-World-Cup.pdf
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Amateur Radio Operator Charged in NZ For Operating at 3100 watts
....Radio Spectrum Management was alerted to a video Mr Potter posted on
'You Tube', a well known online video sharing site, which showed his
transmitter operating at 3100 Watts. Operating at such high transmitting
power is likely to cause interference to, and disruption of, a range of
other licensed radio services in the local area....
For more details please see:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1005/S00283.htm
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RSM Call Book Database is on The NZART Website
The NZART Administration Liaison Officer, Don Wallace ZL2TLL, has obtained a
pre-Call Book copy of the RSM Call Book Database that is on the NZART
Website, but sadly not to stay ED.
The purpose of this is to give people the ability to check their own and
their friends listings and for the person with the entry in error to get in
touch with RSM to correct any errors. This will then give us a more accurate
Call Book.
Details can be updated either online at:
http://www.rsm.govt.nz/smart-web/smart/page/-smart/WelcomePage.wdk
(you will need your log in details) or by phoning RSM on 0508 776 463.
For Silent Keys, there is a form available at
http://www.nzart.org.nz/policies/2006-callsign-removal-form.html
and this can be filled in and posted to Debby at HQ (PO Box 40-525 Upper
Hutt 5140) with relevant supporting documentation by a person authorised to
do so.
For further information, please see the help files online at:
http://www.nzart.org.nz/call-book/index.html
or contact RSM as above
Tony Case ZL1UD
Northern District Council Member
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FMTAG NOTES FOR JUNE 2010
PROPOSAL
ZL2CC has applied to change the frequency of the digipeater at Te Kapua, map
reference NZ260 Y17 341904. The transmit and receive frequency will be
144.575 MHz. An engineering evaluation confirms that there will be no
interference to other stations.
COMMENTS AND APPLICATIONS
Please send your comments and suggestions on the above matter, and on any
other FMTAG matters, by e-mail to: fm...@nzart.org.nz
Applications for repeaters, beacons, digipeaters, point-to-point links, and
so on, should be made on the latest version of FMTAG Form 10. The latest
versions of FMTAG Form 10, and the explanatory Form 10A, are available on
the NZART web site:
http://www.nzart.org.nz/fmtag/index.html
Completed forms should be sent by e-mail to fm...@nzart.org.nz
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INTRUDER ALERTS
___oooOOOooo___
>Date: 25/05/2010 07:17 a.m.
>Subject: [INTRUDER ALERT] 29 MHz
Sent by: intruderal...@iaru-r1.org
29684.8 and 29699.8 kHz - serial modems from Italy, area of Brescia,
probably Italian military, sporadic-E conditions at 1840 utc on May,
24th -The systems are transmitting daily and all day since several years.
Complaints of the German PTT were disregarded.
73 from Wolf, DK2OM
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Meccano Robots
The Website, listed below, has simple robots using Meccano parts and simple
electronic components. A special PIC with its own compiler when used with a
simple program allows a TV remote to manoeuvre it. A lot more info available
on the website.
Two robots are shown below:
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Photos: The Hands-Off Future of Controlling Computers
....The system works by using an off-the-shelf webcam to track the movements
of the multicoloured glove and then uses software to map its movements onto
a 3D computer-generated model, as seen here.
The glove is covered with 20 irregular-shaped patches, which allow the
camera to recognise the front and back of the hand....
For more info please see:
http://www.silicon.com/technology/hardware/2010/05/24/photos-the-hands-off-f
uture-of-controlling-computers-39745848/?s_cid=102
Thanks to John ZL1GWE
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Small Cube Satellite Named Negai
>From Toyoshige Kamei JA3SGR
I want you to help that the small cube satellite launched on May 21.
Satellite name is Negai that this satellite made from Soka University
Student on Tokyo.
The orbit of this satellite is turning around the southern hemisphere now.
May I have the some receive report when there is time?
URL; kuroki Laboratory Soka University
http://kuro.t.soka.ac.jp/negai/sokags/index.html
(sorry Japanes only)
Plese send the report to Soka University kuroki Laboratory.
Mail address to kuroki Laboratory.
A Google English version of their website can be seen via this URL:
73 Trevor M5AKA
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Web Update
E-mailing Infoline
There two legacy mailing lists for Infoline. Starting with issue 208, these
mailing lists are to be processed by the Mailman e-mail system, now used for
all NZART e-mails.
1. [INFOLINE] - this is the bulk list that sends only the HTML formatted
e-mail version. Currently at 679 subscribers, and
2. [BRANCHES] - this has the same HTML formatted e-mail, as 1 above, but has
a MSWord copy of Infoline attached. Branches, Council and selected Infoline
subscribers (that have asked for it) receive this copy. Currently at 65
subscribers.
You now have the choice of HTML, PDF or DOC formats for the 2010 Infolines
on the web. Pick which one suits you.
Jamie Pye ZL2NN
Do You Have Anything to Contribute to a New NZART Website?
Some ideas for a new NZART Website have been loaded to:
http://www.nzart.org.nz/web-development/index.html
This is a work in progress and will be updated going forward. When you hit
the first "Page not found" that is it.
New artwork and ideas will be added to the presentation. New page themes
added and a new way of collaborative thinking and working together put
forward. Peter Bennett, ZL1UPB has offered to assist co-ordinate efforts to
improve the web site. The pages in the web development project are a guide
to generate interest, ideas and most importantly map out the future of New
Zealand Amateur Radio's web presence. Are you a blogger, do you tweet, maybe
a wiki author, do you read amateur radio news, are you making amateur radio
news, the web team at NZART want to hear from you.
If you have ideas or suggestions, artwork or themes for this project please
e-mail Peter at:
web-...@nzart.org.nz.
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Upcoming Events
2010 Silver Rally 14-20 Nov 2010
http://www.silverfernrally.co.nz/, or
http://www.nzart.org.nz/html/2010/02.html#feb03
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Contest News
VHF/UHF/SHF Contest Notes
The next contest is the BRASS MONKEY CONTEST, all bands 50 MHz and up, on
Saturday the 7 and Sunday the 8 of AUGUST 2010. The operating times are:
Saturday 1700 to 2300 NZT and Sunday 0700 to 1300 NZT.
The rules are available at: http://www.vhf.org.nz/VHF-UHF-SHF-ContestRules
Logs should be sent within two weeks, to:
zl...@clear.net.nz with Contest Log in the subject line,
or by post to:
Contest Manager, Wellington VHF Group, P.O. Box 12-259, Thorndon, Wellington
Wellington VHF Group Website http://www.vhf.org.nz
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HF Contests
VK/Trans-Tasman CW&Digital 160 m 26 JUN To Rules->
2010 NZART MEMORIAL CONTEST
When :- 3 & 4 July 2010
Times :- 2000 NZST until 2300 NZST both evenings
Band :- 80m
Modes :- CW and Phone
The Memorial Contest was established soon after the end of World War 2 to
commemorate those who lost their lives in the service of their country. It
is a fitting way to honour those Hams and others who selflessly served their
country so that we, today, may enjoy the freedoms that we do.
The Contest is split into a number of categories catering for all HF
interests so please spare an hour, or two to honour those who paid the
ultimate price that we now enjoy in our present lifestyles.
Contest Rules and Other Operating Information is available from the NZART
Website :- http://www.nzart.org.nz/contests/index.html
Contest Rules and other Operating Information is available from the NZART
website - http://www.nzart.org.nz/contests/index.html
For contests not mentioned here, please see the latest
"Contest Manager's Report" at:
http://www.nzart.org.nz/contests/index.html
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General Information For Break-In and HQ Infoline
Break-In - From the Break-In Editor John ZL3IB
a.. Closing Date Reminder: Copy for the JULY/AUGUST issue of Break-In
closes on 10-JULY-2010.
b.. Document File Format: Please do not send copy for publication as Word
2007.docx files; they cannot be processed. Please send in Word 2003 (or
earlier).doc or *.rtf file format.
c.. Early receipt of copy is much appreciated.
d.. Break-In Contents Index from 1947 can be found at:
http://www.nzart.org.nz/breakin/index/index.html
e.. To search the COMPLETE CONTENTS from 1947, use the page menu entry of:
"Search all index pages up to Jan 2010 HTML 435 kB" Found on the "Index for
Break-In Volumes 20 to 82" page. All the yearly pages have been combined
into one page for your convenience.
http://www.nzart.org.nz/breakin/index/all-bi-index.html 433 kB
Contact Infoline Editor, if copy of articles are wanted, at:
ZL...@nzart.org.nz
f.. Copy for the AREC Break-In Column - From Geoff ZL3QR: The
close-of-copy date is the 03-JULY-2010 for articles for publication in the
AREC COLUMN OF BREAK-IN. Photos, if available, to be on a separate floppy or
CD (with captions), posted DIRECTLY TO US Call Book address. All other
material can go to e-mail:
zl...@nzart.org.nz or zl...@nzart.org.nz.
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The WIA Weekly News Bulletin and The ARRL Letter can be found at:
WIA Weekly News Bulletin:
http://www.nzart.org.nz/html/2010/wia-weekly-news.html
ARRL Letter:
http://www.nzart.org.nz/html/2010/arrl-weekly-news.html
These are updated weekly, normally p.m. Friday.
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