Kenwood TH D7 TNC and windows 2000.
karel vanderkerken
Has anyone tried to work a TH D7 TNC with W2K as operating system on the
computer ?
I always receive "Communication timeout error" as message. The comport is
OK, I use it to connect to my TM D700. I've tried different control
applications (link 7, MCP D7 v1.2, ... ) but the message is always the same.
I tried every setting I could think of ...
Any suggestions ?
73's
ON1VK
please reply to : ON...@QSL.NET
Bairn Reay
Wizzo-Wazzo PQRS.
This is a Ham Radio NG, OM. If you want to talk
CB (Cheque Book) Radio, then uk.rec.radio.cb
would be more suitable for you/
karel vanderkerken <kare...@freegates.be> wrote in message
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W6DKN
> news:3d57e7ac$0$194$ba62...@news.skynet.be...
> > Has anyone tried to work a TH D7 TNC with W2K as operating system on
the
> > computer ?
> > I always receive "Communication timeout error" as message. The comport
is
> > OK, I use it to connect to my TM D700. I've tried different control
> > applications (link 7, MCP D7 v1.2, ... ) but the message is always the
> same.
> > I tried every setting I could think of ...
If the application you are trying to use for TNC control is trying to
directly access the hardware port, then it won't work. W2K, like any
version of NT, is a protected kernel OS. Any app that needs hardware access
must request it via an OS API call.
73 de W6DKN
No SPam
the TH-D7 and the computer. These are diagrammed in a confusing way and
may be reversed.
Hyperterm should work - set 9600b. The TASCO message should come up
when you push the TNC button on the HT keypad. Be sure to push it twice
to get it out of APRS mode and into full TNC mode.
Edwin Alexander
to directly access the hardware in his Windows-based system (a serial port),
and we solved the problem by creating a DOS boot disk. Also, if you run
Win95, Win98, or WinME then you can boot into "Command Prompt Only" mode.
I'm unsure as to whether Win2000 or WinXP has this feature, despite the fact
that I use XP myself. Just never checked, I guess.
If you run Win2000 or WinXP, just create a boot floppy for another operating
system. If you have FAT16-formatted partitions on your hard drive then DOS
on a floppy should be able to recognize them, possibly with the use of some
device drivers in a config.sys file.
Incidentally, I'm not certain if Mr Reay was well-intentioned or sarcastic,
but it's quite obvious what the original poster meant. Anyone current with
HTs would recognize a THD7 as a rather nice Kenwood handie-talkie, and a TNC
should be obvious as a terminal node controller to any licensed ham.
Hope the alternate solution helps you out!
Regards,
Edwin Alexander KS5D
"W6DKN" <w6...@qsl.net> wrote in message
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Pete
modem adapter between your serial cable and the TH-D7.
73,
Pete
Bairn Reay
model numbers, ABC123 XYZ in a PQRS mode is the
mark of the CBer and not of the Radio Ham.
Edwin Alexander <ed...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
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Howard Long
> If the application you are trying to use for TNC control is trying to
> directly access the hardware port, then it won't work. W2K, like any
> version of NT, is a protected kernel OS. Any app that needs hardware
access
> must request it via an OS API call.
As you say, you cannot write a Win32 application for use in NT/2K/XP which
will successfully write directly to a hardware port (x86 IN and OUT
instructions) in user mode. It will generate an exception.
If the application is an MS-DOS app, under NT, 2000 and XP the UART IN/OUT
instructions are intercepted with a trap and have code to attempt to
re-emulate the COM port using a Virtual Device Driver (not to be confused
with VXD which is a Win 3.x, 9x & ME term). Works sometimes, not others, in
particular regarding heavily used interrupt driven applications as these can
often be timing sensitive: these traps are expensive in CPU terms.
It will even let some MS-DOS programs access a USB Serial port if you're
really lucky.
Windows 3.x [enhanced mode], 9x & ME use a different method and simply map
most I/O reads & writes straight through to the hardware.
As an example, I often use the InstantTune Doppler correction facility which
is a DOS TSR under Windows 2000 and this works fairly well.
I'd suggest that either the cable isn't right or a handshake line at the PC
end isn't properly connected. Either way, the use of a terminal emulator
(such as Hyperterminal, but I prefer TeraTerm Pro) and investment in an LED
RS-232 status box invariably resolves these problems rapidly.
73 Howard G6LVB
Mark Waldron
NG
OM
CB
in his post? How dare you?!?! Oh, wait....let's see:
NG- anyone on Usenet more than an hour knows this.
OM - anyone involved in HAM radio more than a day knows this.
CB - anyone not living under a rock for the past 30 years knows this.
Moreover, most operators involved with digital comms knows what
a *GASP* TH-D7A is, comm software version numbers, let alone a TNC!
W2K? What, are you running CP/M on a Kaypro?
The original poster stated very clearly what he was asking, UNLESS
you are a CBer!
(Oooops....better spell this out....by 'CBer' I mean a carbon-based hominid
lifeform from the planet Earth* partaking in reception or transmission of
radio
frequency energy currently appropriated to the Citizen's Band radio
spectrum.)
*Earth - Third planet from the only star in the Sun solar system, Cygnus
spur
of the Orion arm of the Milky Way galaxy, sister to Andromeda.
Clear enough, OM?
Next time, run a search on the acronyms and /or model numbers YOU are
unfamiliar with. Then, you may partially elevate yourself above the CB
mentality.*
*CB mentality - be ignorant, speak like you're the authority, repeat ad
nauseum.
"Bairn Reay" <@> wrote in message
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Hank Oredson
of the links. There are several products, a few shareware,
that emulate a hardware serial port to the application, and
use the Win NT (2000, XP) API calls to actually talk to
the port. Some of them even work :-) None that I've found
will support applications that need access to the system timer
interrupt though. One claims to do so, but fails to work.
Many packet applications hook the timer interrupt as well
as the COM port hardware interrupts. Those won't work
on Win NT (2000, XP) at all.
My own solution is to keep a DOS machine and a Win 98SE
machine around. The computers are junkers I got for free.
They are on the house network.
Now I can run any of the older software ...
--
... Hank
Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net
"Howard Long" <how...@howardlongxxx.com> wrote in message
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Bairn Reay
There is a big difference between using jargon and
quoting meaningless commercial products in CB (Cheque Book)
fashion. _REAL_ Radio Hams manufacture their own rigs and
take to the writing of software like a duck to water. CBers buy
everything off the shelf and then get confused when they don't have
sufficient technical acumen to sort out problems in their off-the-shelf
gear.
Mark Waldron <ma...@cybermechanica.com> wrote in message
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Mark Waldron
troll shot?!? :)
"Stupid boy"? Surely, you jest.
S'matter, OM? World passing you by, and all you can do
is piss on it out of spite?
His "jargon" was right in line with his question, fool. Simply
because is sounds like gobbledygook to *YOU* does not
mean it is "meaningless", as you are so inclined to say.
It was chock FULL of meaning to any HAM who deals with
digital communications. To a "stupid boy", it is meaningless.
(That's your cue!) Enter Bairn Reay, stage left.
Now you know where and who you are. A true CBer. All
mouth, no brains. :)
As far as "manufacture their own rigs", well, bucko, show me
*YOUR* waferfab and SMD assembly facility. Also, please
demonstrate to the NG your "sufficient technical acumen" to
code the logic into those EEPROMS, PROMS, processors,
etc.
Show us your "homebrew" rig with built-in TNC.
Show us your "homebrew" DTE device to gain terminal access
to such devices.
Show us your "homebrew" firmware that controls such devices.
Show us how you wrote it without the use of any COTS items.
Show us how you mined your own heavy metals used in your
personal facility to create such devices.
This software that you "take to writing like ducks to water"...ummm,
was this written on a "homebrew" machine? The language it was
written in, did you create it? The devices the code was stored on,
were they created out of personally mined iron ore?
You ain't real, fool.
There's a LOT more to HAM radio than just being an old fart
who thinks "his way" is the only way. Hitler was one of those
types. Your folks should be so proud.
Time to go change your Depends Undergarments. The stench has
whazzed your brain.
PS to NG: Pardon my divergence from the "no feeding the trolls" sign. :)
"Bairn Reay" <@> wrote in message
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Howard Long
> that emulate a hardware serial port to the application, and
> use the Win NT (2000, XP) API calls to actually talk to
Yes, these are all device drivers operating in kernel mode with a Win32 user
mode API.
I first used one of these a couple of years ago with some mods I wrote for
WispDDE to make it work with some parallel port devices under NT, which has
since been documented with the application for quite some time.
I was very careful to specify that:
> > you cannot write a Win32 application for use in NT/2K/XP which
> > will successfully ***write directly*** to a hardware port (x86 IN and
OUT
> > instructions) in ***user mode***. It will generate an exception.
> None that I've found
> will support applications that need access to the system timer
> interrupt though. One claims to do so, but fails to work.
> Many packet applications hook the timer interrupt as well
> as the COM port hardware interrupts. Those won't work
> on Win NT (2000, XP) at all.
Yes if someone's managed to write a Win32 app that tries to access the
IN/OUT instructions directly it won't work, but 16 bit apps might work if
you're lucky using the NTVDM. InstantTune, for example, works and uses the
system timer and interrupt driven UART extensively.
> My own solution is to keep a DOS machine and a Win 98SE
> machine around.
Yes, I do the same, but it's not very convenient! BTW, DOS apps dependent on
the system timer in W9x will loose ticks when not in the foreground even
without suspend set.
73 Howard G6LVB
Fred Hambrecht
"Bairn Reay" <@> wrote in message
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Bairn Reay
If you wish to contribute to the discussion, then do so.
Your response below makes you seem to be an
escapee from the school playground.
Grow up.
Mark Waldron <ma...@cybermechanica.com> wrote in message
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Bairn Reay
Fred Hambrecht <w4...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Mark Waldron
An ignorant, mindless attack? Niiiiice!
Cut and run, Bairn, cut and run.....
Just as I suspected. You have nothing.
You have made no contributions, just attacks. I can
only assume this is how you run your life, and how
you act in HAM radio. You are a disgrace, and an
embarassment to the hobby. Loser.
"Bairn Reay" <@> wrote in message
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Mark Waldron
An ignorant, mindless attack? Niiiiice!
Cut and run, Bairn, cut and run.....
Just as I suspected. You have nothing.
You have made no contributions, just attacks. I can
only assume this is how you run your life, and how
you act in HAM radio. You are a disgrace, and an
embarassment to the hobby. Loser.
"Bairn Reay" <@> wrote in message
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Mark Waldron
An ignorant, mindless attack? Niiiiice!
Cut and run, Bairn, cut and run.....
Just as I suspected. You have nothing.
You have made no contributions, just attacks. I can
only assume this is how you run your life, and how
you act in HAM radio. You are a disgrace, and an
embarassment to the hobby. Loser.
"Bairn Reay" <@> wrote in message
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Mark Waldron
His postings are in accordance with numerous other user's
complaints about his abuse. See post below:
From: Slope Detect (slope...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Bairn Reay
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur
Date: 2002-08-07 05:07:36 PST
God this Gareth (Bairn Reay) is a waste of space.
Never even makes a mobile phone call. Has he even got a mobile phone?
Probably not. No point if no one wants to talk to him. Not even
Elisabeth!
Nothing our great country has ever done pleases him. Probably because
he doesn't know the history!
Slags off those who make sensible technical comment but never adds to
the thread himself- not surprising as he knows F*** about most things
it appears. Doesn't understand dBs, Slope Detection, antenna gain,
noise figure or temperature. Odd considering the noise he generates.
Can't get another job in the telecoms industry- hardly surprising.
Slags of CBers but lurks on the CB bands to talk to his CB mates. I
don't know any CBers but may be he is right- they are brain dead. Must
be to talk to him!
A software expert who doesn't know the correct name of a language he
has written programmes in or the fact this language is only used in
applications he couldn't have work on!
Hasn't got the ability to even hide his Newsclient so we can't see he
isn't using his own software.
What a waste of space- what did poor Elisabeth do to deserve him?
Was she driving the Landrover that hit him. Was she aiming for his
head?
73
"Bairn Reay" <@> wrote in message
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Bairn Reay
If you wish to contribute to the discussion, then do so.
Your response below makes you seem to be an
escapee from the school playground.
Grow up.
Mark Waldron <ma...@cybermechanica.com> wrote in message
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Bairn Reay
If you wish to contribute to the discussion, then do so.
Your response below makes you seem to be an
escapee from the school playground.
Grow up.
Mark Waldron <ma...@cybermechanica.com> wrote in message
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Bairn Reay
If you wish to contribute to the discussion, then do so.
Your response below makes you seem to be an
escapee from the school playground.
Grow up.
Mark Waldron <ma...@cybermechanica.com> wrote in message
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Bairn Reay
If you wish to contribute to the discussion, then do so.
Your response below makes you seem to be an
escapee from the school playground.
Grow up.
Mark Waldron <ma...@cybermechanica.com> wrote in message
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Mark Waldron
His postings are in accordance with numerous other user's
73
"Bairn Reay" <@> wrote in message
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Mark Waldron
73
"Bairn Reay" <@> wrote in message
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W6DKN
> Looks like our beloved Bairn Reay is a pSyCh0paTh!
>
> His postings are in accordance with numerous other user's
> complaints about his abuse. See post below:
>
Doesn't surprise me. I figured out that he belonged in my kill file after
his first posting here...
73 de W6DKN
Mark Waldron
His postings are in accordance with numerous other user's
complaints about his abuse. See post below:
73
"Bairn Reay" <@> wrote in message
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Mark Waldron
73
"Bairn Reay" <@> wrote in message
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Bairn Reay
not make your stance any less childish.
Grow up.
Mark Waldron <ma...@cybermechanica.com> wrote in message
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Bairn Reay
childish.
The subject under discussion is the differentiation between
Ham Radio and CB. If you cannot contribute without resorting
to silly infantile jibes, then you would seem to wish to class
yourself with the CBers.
Mark Waldron <ma...@cybermechanica.com> wrote in message
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Bairn Reay
childish.
If you want to contribute to a discussion on the
differentiation between CB and Ham Radio, then
please do so without resorting to infantile personal remarks.
When you do that, you represent yourself in public as
a complete fool. That is your choice.
Stupid boy.
Grow up.
Mark Waldron <ma...@cybermechanica.com> wrote in message
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Bairn Reay
make your stance any less childish. Please feel free to
contribute to this international forum in a manner more
appropriate to a mature individual.
Your current attitude and desperation to score
some point or other just makes you look silly.
Mark Waldron <ma...@cybermechanica.com> wrote in message
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Mark Waldron
His postings are in accordance with numerous other user's
complaints about his abuse. See post below:
73
"Bairn Reay" <@> wrote in message
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Mark Waldron
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"Bairn Reay" <@> wrote in message
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Odd Erling N. Eriksen
> This is a Ham Radio NG, OM. If you want to talk
> CB (Cheque Book) Radio, then uk.rec.radio.cb
> would be more suitable for you/
-Ehem, I know feeding the trolls is a bad idea, but just can't help
myself: What is your callsign, mr. Reay? :-)
--
73 de LB1LF
Odd Erling, ARK
A)bort, R)etry, I)nfluence with large hammer.
Mark Waldron
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"Bairn Reay" <@> wrote in message
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PawPaw
CB= Check Book
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