VX-1 Squelch problems
Copmannd
I had to take my first VX-1 back because the squelch would not close
properly...now the second one seems to have developed the same problem.....it
won't squelch in narrow FM....is there a setting other than the AUTO, OPN,
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 ones on the squelch control......This problem developed
after playing with the ADMS-1D software...any help will be appreciated.......Dave
Kevin Swanson
Copmannd wrote in message <19971109031...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
I returned my first VX-1 because of the same problem. But I never used the
programming software.
Kev-
R G
I've never used the ADMS software, but I had the same problem a few days
after I
brought my vx-1, I just took it off AUTO squelch and set it to #4 I
haven't had the problem since.
Ray
Jack Summers
seen several go this way. Not a serious problem, rather a small
nuisance. Should only take the tech about 10 minutes to fix this.
Regards
Jack Summers
VA3JAK
dana
Kevin Swanson wrote:
> >I had to take my first VX-1 back because the squelch would not close
> > properly...now the second one seems to have developed the same
> problem.....it ...
>
> I returned my first VX-1 because of the same problem. But I never
> used the
> programming software.
>
> Kev-
I have also noticed that the Squelch does not work very well. I have
never used the
ADMS software yet.
My theory is that the squelch does not work well when the battery is a
bit low. The
squelch opens up spuriously and/or chatters a lot when I used the
alkaline battery, also,
further suggesting low battery voltage as a contributing factor. It does
not take much, though.
I also have noticed that the radio has terrible sensitivity outside the
440 mHz band. I was
very sad to see how poorly the unit performs as a wide band reciever.
Even switching antennas
barely helps. The manual clearly shows the specs as very poor as a
reciever, but I was
sad to see just how bad they really were.
-dana massie
**Dave Woolf x4760 1J-310 (jc22b20m0)
In article <19971109031...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
Copmannd <copm...@aol.com> wrote:
>I had to take my first VX-1 back because the squelch would not close
> properly...now the second one seems to have developed the same problem.....it
> 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 ones on the squelch control......This problem developed
> after playing with the ADMS-1D software...any help will be appreciated.......Dave
I had the same experience just last Friday. I had just drafted the
following to send out on the net. What I am really amazed at is the
inability to clear the problem with a hard reset. I suspect it
has something to do with old version of radio firmware. If you have
had this happen to you please let me know what firmware version you are
using.
BTW I was able to program with ADMS a memory with 2M xmit and
440 rcv, but the radio refuses to xmit from that memory (just
flashes the display when you push the PTT). I was specifically
told by RT Systems that this should work.
BTW the version on my ADMS SW disk is V1097.
Dave - K8RSP
==========================================
I wonder if others have experienced this
problem. I just got the ADMS 1D software
and tried it on my VX-1R. The SW seems to
work fine but now my radio's squelch no
longer works properly. The regular squelch
remains open on the NFM Rx mode no matter
what the setting of the squelch control
(even with the antenna removed). Further,
if on CTCSS tone squelch once the squelch
opens with a signal having the correct tone,
it remains open even after the signal goes
away.
I have done a hard reset on the radio and
the problem continues.
The Firmware version in my VX-1R is A102.
I have contacted Yaesu Tech Support and
they blame it on the ADMS SW and say to
call RT Systems. I find this intereresting
since I did a hard reset and the problems
persists. I guess you can do things through
the serial interface that even a hard reset
won't recover from.
I will be calling RT Systems later today to
see what they have to say. They had no one
available since Friday that knows anything
about the VX-1R or the ADMS SW.
-----> [If replying via e-mail please reply to
address below as our system mailer is
inserting the wrong return address for me]
Dave Woolf - K8RSP
dwo...@lucent.com
Andrew M Cohn
> I will be calling RT Systems later today to
> see what they have to say. They had no one
> available since Friday that knows anything
> about the VX-1R or the ADMS SW.
>
It's probably best not to call RT Systems on Fridays. Their tech support
is listed as Monday thru Thursday only.
-andy
Groupero
In case you haven't yet found the answer, there is a bug with these radios that
seems to occur during power-up if the orange button isn't held down
consistently or (apparently) during ADMS use. The fix is a long reset procedure
that can be obtained from Yaesu....
Dan
ALANHYMAN
The following was (stolen, lifted, copied) from the RT systems site.
They are the makers of the ADMS software.
Thanks RT Systems
Alan
KA2PVR
Lost data in VX-1 CPU for Squelch & S meter functions
Reprogramming Procedure:
Note: ** in procedure below repsents any number sequence
Press & hold the VOL + FW + MON buttons down together and power up the
radio. The Display should now show HSSQ03 (note: the important 3 is the
small 3 at the top of the display. If anything but 3 appears at the top
of
the display, press the BAND button until the 3 appears)
Press the UP button to display HASQ**
Turn the dial until the display shows HASQ08
Press the UP button to display THSQ**
Turn the dial until the display shows THSQ4F
Press the UP button to display TISQ**
Turn the dial until the display shows TISQ2F
Press the UP button 2 times to display S1LV**
Turn the dial until the display shows S1LV34
Press the UP button to display S9LV**
Turn the dial until the display shows S9LVA3
Press the UP button to display HSSQ03
Press the BAND button 3 times until the display shows HSSQ06 (again
note:
this is the small 6 at the top of the display)
Press the UP button to display HASQ**
Turn the dial until the display shows HASQ08
Press the UP button to display THSQ**
Turn the dial until the display shows THSQ4D
Press the UP button to display TISQ**
Turn the dial until the display shows TISQ30
Press the UP button 2 times to display S1LV**
Turn the dial until the display shows S1LV27
Press the UP button to display S9LV**
Turn the dial until the display shows S9LV96
Press the FW button for 0.5 seconds to store these settings into memory.
The
radio will return to normal mode.
The reprogramming procedure is now complete.
Groupero wrote in message <19971123012...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
Jim McGhee
I haven't been able to get this to work. When I do the power up sequence, I
don't get HSSQ03. The radio just turns on. What am I doing wrong? I have
release A105.
TIA,
Jim
In article <65desl$pib$1...@winter.news.erols.com>, ALAN...@worldnet.att.net
says...
>
>The following was (stolen, lifted, copied) from the RT systems site.
>They are the makers of the ADMS software.
>Thanks RT Systems
>
>Alan
>KA2PVR
>
>
>Lost data in VX-1 CPU for Squelch & S meter functions
>Reprogramming Procedure:
>Note: ** in procedure below repsents any number sequence
>Press & hold the VOL + FW + MON buttons down together and power up the
> radio. The Display should now show HSSQ03 (note: the important 3 is the
> small 3 at the top of the display. If anything but 3 appears at the top
>of
> the display, press the BAND button until the 3 appears)
--- snip ---
Yves Remedios
I have a problem with the squelch on band 1 (FM broadcast band). The
squelch refuses to open in Squelch Auto but can be opened if I move the
squelch to open and back to auto. The works ok on SQL 1 but I am then
forced to use SQL 1 on all the other bands.
This problem has been there since new and I have not used ADMS software
with this radio. The settings for band 1 (not changed by me) are:
HSSQ03
HASQ08
THSQ5B
TISQ3B
WDSQ10
S1LV49
S9LVBE
Are any of these settings wrong?
--
Yves Remedios
When replying by e-mail, please correct my address using the word demon.
hinch
Mine behaves this way sometimes also. I found that for the FM BC band,
pressing the monitor button momentarily wakes it up. After that,
everything is fine.
Dave KE6MYC
Ingra-Beton
>I have a problem with the squelch on band 1 (FM broadcast band). The
>squelch refuses to open in Squelch Auto but can be opened if I move the
>squelch to open and back to auto. The works ok on SQL 1 but I am then
>forced to use SQL 1 on all the other bands.
>
>This problem has been there since new and I have not used ADMS software
>with this radio. The settings for band 1 (not changed by me) are:
>
>HSSQ03
>HASQ08
>THSQ5B
>TISQ3B
>WDSQ10
>S1LV49
>S9LVBE
>
>Are any of these settings wrong?
>--
>Yves Remedios
>When replying by e-mail, please correct my address using the word demon.
The settings are Unique for every rig, try the SQ reset procedure as
describet at RT Systems home page http://www.rtsars.com
Greetings, ...
Yves Remedios
In article <347E5C...@mail.telis.org>, hinch <hi...@mail.telis.org>
writes
>Mine behaves this way sometimes also. I found that for the FM BC band,
>pressing the monitor button momentarily wakes it up. After that,
>everything is fine.
I don't have a monitor facility as that button is switched over to
1750hz tone. We are very backward in the UK - CTCSS is *rarely* used
:-(
Alan Glashan
STUFF SNIPPED
>I don't have a monitor facility as that button is switched over to
> 1750hz tone. We are very backward in the UK - CTCSS is >*rarely* used
> Yves Remedios
> When replying by e-mail, please correct my address using the word demon.
Hmm Yves,
Interesting definition you seem to have for "very backward". Tell me,
does the 1750hz tone access procedure function correctly with our repeater
system? Is it reliable? - Yes? Thought so - therefore, if it aint
broken..... The ENHANCEMENT to our system with CTCSS is progressing. For
most Amateurs, CTCSS on their repeater has no value add. We found that
when we put it onto our local 2 metre (oops meter!) repeater most weren't
interested - beacuse most people did not have a rig with the feature fitted
and were not going to spend money on the upgrade module when it did not
give them (in their circumstances) any benefit over 1750Hz.
The small usage of CTCSS does not make us "very backward", in my opinion.
Alan Glashan
Gary Coffman
On Mon, 01 Dec 1997 05:00:01 -0500, "Alan Glashan" <alan.g...@dundee.ncr.com>
wrote:
I'll stay out of any debate over backwardness, but I will say that CTCSS
offers several very valuable benefits to the user. It is generally much better
than carrier squelch for tracking a user through fades. And if used on the
repeater *output*, it can be of great value by allowing the user to avoid having
to listen to pager crud and other intermod while monitoring the repeater
channel for calls. The latter use has come to be the more important one
in many cases here in the US. Once you've lived with a CTCSS system
for a while in a high RF area, you don't want to go back to anything else.
(Many of our "open" repeaters use CTCSS for these reasons, and not
just as a way to control access. Locally, most of us have agreed to use
a common 100 Hz CTCSS tone on open machines. This means that
even for those whose radios don't come equipped with CTCSS encoders
and decoders, the simplest and cheapest retrofit kits can be used.)
I've operated my machine with an OR system for a number of years.
That allows stations without CTCSS capability to still access the machine
via direct carrier access if their signals are strong enough (I set carrier
squelch very tight), or use CTCSS and operate under more marginal
conditions. CTCSS is transmitted on the repeater output at all times.
This has worked very well.
I understand that UK regulations are somewhat different from ours,
but a system which ORed tone burst and CTCSS could give you most
of the benefits we enjoy. (And most rigs have a monitor button which
lets you open squelch to listen before transmitting even if CTCSS
decode is operating, so that should satisfy your requirements too.)
Gary
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Yves Remedios
In article <01bcfe3f$f9933460$af014999@user>, Alan Glashan
<alan.g...@dundee.ncr.com> writes
>Interesting definition you seem to have for "very backward". Tell me,
>does the 1750hz tone access procedure function correctly with our repeater
>system? Is it reliable? - Yes? Thought so - therefore, if it aint
>broken..... The ENHANCEMENT to our system with CTCSS is progressing. For
>most Amateurs, CTCSS on their repeater has no value add. We found that
>when we put it onto our local 2 metre (oops meter!) repeater most weren't
>interested - beacuse most people did not have a rig with the feature fitted
>and were not going to spend money on the upgrade module when it did not
>give them (in their circumstances) any benefit over 1750Hz.
>
>The small usage of CTCSS does not make us "very backward", in my opinion.
Having read the above, you have confirmed that I am correct in regarding
the UK as very backward. Your attitude is sadly typical of UK amateurs
:-(
CTCSS offers a safety advantage to mobile operators who do not have to
fumble for the tone burst button.
In addition, under lift conditions, it helps prevent a tone bringing up
more than one repeater.
In some situations where there is interference on the repeater input
(from pager tx, etc), CTCSS only access does prevent the repeater being
kept open by the interference (as happens on GB3WL).
Alan Glashan
STUFF DELETED
> Having read the above, you have confirmed that I am correct in regarding
the UK as very backward. Your attitude is sadly typical of UK amateurs >
:-(
then I wouldn't have been one of the 'driving force' in putting CTCSS onto
our local repeater! My comments were observations of the local users.
Please get YOUR comments accurate. This is how arguments start!
I do not accept your comment "Your attitude is sadly typical ..." I would
accept .. your comments of the attitude found locally after fitting CTCSS
are sadly typical...
Understand the difference?
> CTCSS offers a safety advantage to mobile operators who do not have to
fumble for the tone burst button.
Correct, which is why I the enhancement of it on our repeater. I have an
FT290R in the car. Building my own CTCSS board to fit into the rig saved
the problems you have mentioned. Also, CTCSS is such a simple thing to
build for a rig (with space inside) that it something Amateurs who complain
that there is no need to build anything these days, could tackle and enjoy.
> In addition, under lift conditions, it helps prevent a tone bringing up
more than one repeater.
Correct. However, if/when a repeater group finds local users have the
....sadly typical attitude... , where then is the incentive to add a feature
giving the users a perceived no value add. Make it compulsory and THEN it
will be fitted. (As on 50Mhz) All repeaters to have it by year 2000 would
be a start.
> In some situations where there is interference on the repeater input
(from pager tx, etc), CTCSS only access does prevent the repeater being
kept open by the interference (as happens on GB3WL).
> --
> Yves Remedios
> When replying by e-mail, please correct my address using the word demon.
>
email me if you want to stop cluttering up the group, especially as no one
else seems to be wanting to get involved!
Alan G.
Alan Glashan
VARIOUS DELETED
Hi Gary,
I agree with all your comments. On our local repeater, I was one of the
people who very much wanted CTCSS to be retrofitted to the unit, so became
involved in making it happen.
We are required, on 2m. repeaters, by our licence to have 1750Hz access.
However, we can have CTCSS also. We have OR'd the two access modes, as you
have mentioned and this gives all users an opportunity to access. CTCSS
is far better, as in our application, the decoder module has a much smaller
bandwidth than that required for use with 1750Hz (+/-25Hz over here for
1750) and thus an improved signal to noise ratio for detecting the access
tone.
When CTCSS is detected, the squelch on the repeater is effectively off and
mobile signals will 'swish' up and down rather then chop out and in with
mobile flutter. The same applies in reverse on the amateurs rx.
The repeater does not generate CTCSS when giving its identification in
beacon mode. Therefore with a decoder on the amateurs rx, they do not have
to listen to the beacon. They only hear the repeater when someone access'
it.
I appreciate that you will understand this, but these are the enhancements
I was meaning in my first reply, that the average user see's as No Value
Add. They need to be convinced (not me Yves). In UK terms they ARE
enhancements, but until people have seen/heard the benefits of CTCSS it is
very hard to get them to understand the benefits.
Alan G.