FCC to crack down on illegal 10 metre amps.
Greg Dean
FCC to step up 10 meter enforcement
The FCC's Legal Adviser for Enforcement Riley
Hollingsworth says hams can expect more rigorous
enforcement on 10 meter issues next year.
Hollingsworth told visitors to the Shelby Hamfest
in North Carolina that the next area of enforcement
would be the encroachment of unlicensed individuals
into the 10 meter band and a crackdown on illegal
RF amplifiers. His announcement drew loud applause
from the Shelby crowd. Hollingsworth elaborated on
the comments in a recent interview ARRL Audio News
concerning this and other enforcement issues.
"There are really two areas we need to really crank
up on next year. One is the incursion into 10
meters by unlicensed operators, CBers and so forth.
And also the sales of illegal equipment on the
Internet and at hamfests and so forth. We really
need to crank up enforcement in those two areas."
Hollingsworth told the crowd that he'd spotted more
illegal equipment at Shelby that he'd seen last May
at the Dayton Hamvention. You may remember that
at the Hamvention, FCC Field Office personnel from
Detroit warned several vendors about potential
violations relating to the advertising or
merchandising of RF amplifiers capable of 11 meter
CB radio operation.
(FCC, ARRL)
<*>
http://www.arnewsline.org/newsline_archives/cbbs1154.txt
Butch Magee
as if amps are forbidden on 10,....not true.
Butch Magee, KF5DE
10 OHM SMOKE
doesn't sound to safe. maybe he would like to know who did this. man why
dont you guys let the authorities do their jobs by themselves
Doug Smith wrote in message <38018C0B...@bellsouth.net>...
>Butch Magee wrote:
>> The info is a bit late for being "newsworthy", and you make it to read
>> as if amps are forbidden on 10,....not true.
>
>come from, it's indeed newsworthy..
>
>I forwarded to the C&I Bureau directions to a shop on Hwy. 41 near Terre
>Haute that's advertising "CB Amps"... hope they're out of business by
>my next trip up north...
>--
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>http://personal.bellsouth.net/~w9wi
>
Edward L. Dowdy
10 OHM SMOKE <peak-...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Green Dragon
the anal drippings from a freshly fucked faggot. To all
those who may have been offended by my language (excluding
Mr. Narcy) I appologize.
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Doug Smith <w9...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Chas
A little behind times there. This was posted a few weeks ago.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Doug Smith
Leland C. Scott
Green Dragon <grn...@zebra.net> wrote in message
news:38016...@monster.zebra.net...
> IMHO, those who narc to the feds like that are lower than
> the anal drippings from a freshly fucked faggot. To all
> those who may have been offended by my language (excluding
> Mr. Narcy) I appologize.
Apparently, the only one who got offended is you, as demonstrated by your
colorful choice of language and descriptive prose of homosexual activity.
Would care to share with the news group how you became so intimately
familiar with the subject? Possibly from one-on-one experience? 8-))
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NCI member
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Dave VanHorn
10 OHM SMOKE <peak-...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> By doing this you may be taking food out of their kids mouth, man that
> doesn't sound to safe. maybe he would like to know who did this. man why
> dont you guys let the authorities do their jobs by themselves
Sad.. Very sad.
Dave VanHorn
> I forwarded to the C&I Bureau directions to a shop on Hwy. 41 near Terre
> Haute that's advertising "CB Amps"... hope they're out of business by
> my next trip up north...
Good job! Some of us appreciate enforcement.
KC6ETE, President MAARC
Jeffrey Herman
"amps are forbidden on 10" in the news release? I don't see any
mention of amateurs in the bulletin.
73, Jeff KH6O
In article <38014A84...@netdoor.com>,
Butch Magee <butc...@netdoor.com> wrote:
>The info is a bit late for being "newsworthy", and you make it to read
>as if amps are forbidden on 10,....not true.
>
>Butch Magee, KF5DE
Greg Dean
: as if amps are forbidden on 10,....not true.
:
: Butch Magee, KF5DE
This was from last weeks NewsLine, so it is recent.
And it is illegal to manufacture a 10 metre amp. Hams may
modify an existing amp for personal usage however. But
no manufacturer will be able to get one type accepted. Ham
transceivers are allowed to be type accepted in the 10 metre
band for higher power.
: > <*>
:
Greg Dean
Tinker <Speed...@hotmail.com> wrote (in Rec.Radio.CB)...
: BLAH, BLAH, BLAH !
: And who Gives A Rat's Ass ?
You will. The FCC is back.
: >
: >
:
:
Greg Dean
Doug Smith <w9...@bellsouth.net> wrote ...
: > The info is a bit late for being "newsworthy", and you make it to read
: > as if amps are forbidden on 10,....not true.
:
: come from, it's indeed newsworthy..
: I forwarded to the C&I Bureau directions to a shop on Hwy. 41 near Terre
: Haute that's advertising "CB Amps"... hope they're out of business by
: my next trip up north...
There is a big CB modification operation in Plainfield IN as well.
And at the Lowell truckstop.
: --
:
Greg Dean
10 OHM SMOKE <peak-...@mindspring.com> wrote ...
: By doing this you may be taking food out of their kids mouth, man that
: doesn't sound to safe. maybe he would like to know who did this. man why
: dont you guys let the authorities do their jobs by themselves
Because we Hams are charged by the FCC to do self policing.
We even have our own investigators called Official Observers (OO).
: >> The info is a bit late for being "newsworthy", and you make it to read
: >> as if amps are forbidden on 10,....not true.
: >
: >Dunno that I saw anything misleading about Greg's post.. and where I
: >come from, it's indeed newsworthy..
: >
: >I forwarded to the C&I Bureau directions to a shop on Hwy. 41 near Terre
: >Haute that's advertising "CB Amps"... hope they're out of business by
: >my next trip up north...
:
:
Greg Dean
RHOOLIGAN2 <rhool...@aol.com> wrote in Rec.Radio.CB...
: > By doing this you may be taking food out of their kids mouth, man that
: > doesn't sound too safe. maybe he would like to know who did this. man
>why
: dont you guys let the authorities do their jobs by themselves
:
: True, CB amps can't be compared to drugs, murder, or even DWI.
: There are a lot more critical problems in the world, and CB is
: very low on the priority list of any enforcement agency (as
: it probably should be).
CB is now a high priority to the FCC. It is called "fixing the
broken window" type of enforcement. The theory is that if
you let a window stay broken then it will lead to other types
of crime as people see that no one cares. The mayor of
NYC uses this tactic. He goes after small street crimes
like jumping the turnstyle in the subways.
Stop the small crimes and you will no breed bigger criminals.
: But it's SAD to see a "looters mentality" prevail in what was once
: a GREAT hobby. (i.e., during the LA riots, people who looted the
: abandoned stores did no one any "objective harm". The stores
: were insured...the cops looked the other way..."everybody"
: was looting....chances of getting busted were slim, etc.)
:
: What's wrong with breaking laws -- especially when it "harms
: no one"? I can only speak for myself, and personally, I would not
: want to be the kind of person "who only obeys laws when the cops
: are watching". To me, that kind of person is untrustworthy and
: sleazy.
:
: Now some may want to label the above opinion as characteristic
: of an "RF cop mentality", but if you do, you're really missing
: the point.
:
: I don't support anyone going around "turning people in".
: Vigilantism is not the answer, and neither is ham vs cb
: trashing and bashing.
Hams have an obligation to be self policing. No other
hobby has that obligation.
: I make no claim to be morally superior, but I sincerely believe
: that a "looters mentality" contributes to a lesser quality of
: life -- for everyone. It can be argued that the politicians are
: responsible for our problems, but I don't buy that. I think we
: are each responsible our actions, how effect others, and
: how our actions ultimately affect the whole of society.
Small crimes breeds people who do bigger crimes.
Greg Dean
2-IR-082 Tim <twoi...@aol.comQWERTY> wrote in Rec.Radio.CB...
: >
: >I forwarded to the C&I Bureau directions to a shop on Hwy. 41 near Terre
: >Haute that's advertising "CB Amps"... hope they're out of business by
: >my next trip up north...
:
:
: thats a great attitude. you hope a mans lively hood is destroyed because
you
: dont like cb amps. i'm sure youll be kind enough to lend him some money to
feed
: his wife and kids too since you want him out of bussiness so bad. hope
your
: happy when your tax money will be paying his unemployment and welfare when
he
: is out of work. have a little respect for fellow humans(regardless of what
: radio service).
: best regards, Tim 2-IR-082 Texas USA
Illegal is illegal. Putting drug dealers out of business also
causes unemployment.
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NoDXius Icanworkius Rex
"Greg Dean" <N9...@AMSAT.org> wrote:
> Ham transceivers are allowed to be type accepted in the
> 10 metre band for higher power.
That statement is just flatassed wrong. There is no "type
acceptance" of HF Amateur transceivers.
73, Carpe Diem
--
DXing from the edge of the Trench
NoDXius Icanworkius Rex
"10 OHM SMOKE" <peak-...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> By doing this you may be taking food out of their kids mouth,
> man that doesn't sound to safe. maybe he would like to know
> who did this. man why dont you guys let the authorities do
> their jobs by themselves
Oh, whimper, whimper, whimper some more man. If this lame-assed
law-breaking summabitch is worried about food out of his kids
mouth, he should get into a legal line of work. Kinda hard
feeding your kids from a jail cell.
Grow up!
AB7RS
AB7RS
> doesn't sound to safe. maybe he would like to know who did this. man why
> dont you guys let the authorities do their jobs by themselves
>
Here in Montana we try to take care of problems BEFORE the authorities
get a chance to run them thru a system that is too easy on
burglars,rapists,illegals on 10M,pedophiles,etc.Vigilantyism is alive
and well.
andy
>
> In article <psmM3.204$tZ4....@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>,
> "Greg Dean" <N9...@AMSAT.org> wrote:
>
> > Ham transceivers are allowed to be type accepted in the
> > 10 metre band for higher power.
>
> That statement is just flatassed wrong. There is no "type
> acceptance" of HF Amateur transceivers.
>
AFJ IC-756". How come I had to wait to order one because "it had not
been type accepted yet"???
Andy
WD4KDN
MaryW4ME
amateur trancievers. The FCC requires a type acceptance on radios over 1/2
watt and all recievers. Even if it is only Part 15. Before evryone gets up in
arms, Part 15 among other things has to do with interference acceptance. 10
and 6 meter amps can be built with the prior approval of the FCC and they must
have a type acceptance number. Just a few thoughts. Marilyn Hartley W4ME.
Greg Dean
Zero Eighty Two <zeroei...@aol.com> wrote in Rec.Radio.CB...
: >Because we Hams are charged by the FCC to do self policing.
: >We even have our own investigators called Official Observers (OO).
:
:
:
: then go investigate 80 and 75 meters or 20 in the day and stop worrying
about
: cb if you dont like it so much.
CBers are transmitting in our bands therefore it is our
problem. Moreover, we are trying to clean up all the
radio mess across the spectrum.
The real problem is that too many Americans are assholes
that need a good spanking.
Greg Dean
Zero Eighty Two <zeroei...@aol.com> wrote in Rec.Radio.CB...
: i hope the next time you speed down the highway your boss happens to see
you
: and fire you on the spot. after all illegal is illegal and nobody wants a
: criminal working for them.
Since I work for the government, what I do on my own time is
strictly regulated anyway. A traffic ticket, even for not wearing
a seat belt, will wind up on my boss' desk.
It is the same for me as I am also in the military reserves. My area
(intel) has very high standards for civilian conduct.
: >Illegal is illegal. Putting drug dealers out of business also
: >causes unemployment.
:
:
NoDXius Icanworkius Rex
<wb5...@stic.net> wrote:
> ALL Amateur Radio transmitters, receivers and transceivers
> that are sold commercially MUST be FCC Type accepted.
I'll repeat what I said to the other mistaken fella. There is
NO FCC requirement for Type Acceptance of any commercially
sold Amateur Radio equipment. Period. Not even for amplifiers.
(That'll raise some eyebrows!)
Here's the deal --
External RF Amplifiers -- These must be *certified* (key word =
certified) in accordance with Part 97 (97.315 and 97.317).
This was largely written to shut down mfrs of 11-meter capable
amps. It is NOT type acceptance.
Everything else -- most other amateur rigs get caught up in other
non-Part-97 *certification* requirements related to Part 15
emissions due to internal processors, non-reception of cellular
phone frequencies, etc., etc. A lot of other equipment is
subject to similar certification -- your PC, your radio/alarm-clock,
your walkman, and your wifes microwave oven. Again, none of these
have anything to do with type acceptance.
Type acceptance is a wholenudder animal, and no amateur radio
equipment is subject to type acceptance.
CB equipment is subject to type acceptance (in addition to Part
15 certification).
GMRS equipment is subject to type acceptance (in addition to Part
15 certification).
FRS equipment is subject to type acceptance (in addition to Part
15 certification).
Amateur radio is NOT subject to type acceptance.
Barry
> CBers are transmitting in our bands therefore it is our
> problem. Moreover, we are trying to clean up all the
> radio mess across the spectrum.
>
> The real problem is that too many Americans are assholes
> that need a good spanking.
Fruit. Any particular segment of the american population you prefer to
spank?
Viffer
criminals.
Jim
ns5n
J...
Greg Dean wrote:
> : The info is a bit late for being "newsworthy", and you make it to read
> : as if amps are forbidden on 10,....not true.
> :
> : Butch Magee, KF5DE
>
> This was from last weeks NewsLine, so it is recent.
>
> And it is illegal to manufacture a 10 metre amp. Hams may
> modify an existing amp for personal usage however. But
> no manufacturer will be able to get one type accepted. Ham
> transceivers are allowed to be type accepted in the 10 metre
> band for higher power.
>
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with his boss (big brother) poking his nose into his private affairs. It's
a good thing our Founding Fathers are dead because they would be giving us a
sound thrashing for destroying the country they created with their own blood
sweat and tears....
Jim
Greg Dean <N9...@AMSAT.org> wrote in message
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John Kasupski, KC2FNG, KNY2VS
Good news bears repeating. :-)
73 and good DX'ing,
John D. Kasupski
KC2FNG, KNY2VS
Stanley
> In article <psmM3.204$tZ4....@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>,
> "Greg Dean" <N9...@AMSAT.org> wrote:
>
> > Ham transceivers are allowed to be type accepted in the
> > 10 metre band for higher power.
>
> That statement is just flatassed wrong. There is no "type
> acceptance" of HF Amateur transceivers.
>
> 73, Carpe Diem
>
> --
> DXing from the edge of the Trench
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
You just don't have a clue. Every amateur radio in the US has to be
type excepted. Now I not talking about this junk sold as at your local
truck stop as a ten meter ham radio. Call Ten Tec, Icom, Yaesu,
Kenwood, Standard or any of the other manufactures of legal equipment
if you don't believe me or try calling a amateur radio store.
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>You just don't have a clue. Every amateur radio in the US has to be
>type excepted.
WRONG, know-it-all.
JJ
> You just don't have a clue. Every amateur radio in the US has to be
> type excepted. Now I not talking about this junk sold as at your local
> truck stop as a ten meter ham radio. Call Ten Tec, Icom, Yaesu,
> Kenwood, Standard or any of the other manufactures of legal equipment
> if you don't believe me or try calling a amateur radio store.
> --
> Stanley
> NAS Grosse Ile Web Site: http://bigfoot.com/~so
> KC4DPC Beacon List Site: http://jump.to/bcn
You don't have a clue, not a single piece of my ham gear (which includes
Collins, Yeasu, and Kenwood) has a type acceptance tag. How about all
those Heathkits, Knight-kits, and other ham radio kits that were built
and put on the air. Were they type accepted? I think not. How about all
the home-brew equipment built and put on the air, type accepted? I think
not.
10-7
Greg Dean <N9...@AMSAT.org> wrote in message:
10-7
running the big watts on CB band.
Greg Dean <N9...@AMSAT.org> wrote in message:
> And if you read the article from NewsLine, the FCC is going
> after those who use such equipment. And hams will help the
> FCC track such users down.
>
>
>
>
Redwing
> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:01:30 GMT, "Greg Dean" <N9...@AMSAT.org> wrote:
>
> >: > ALL Amateur Radio transmitters, receivers and transceivers
> >The FCC still approves all commercially made Ham transceivers
> >before they are offered for sale.
>
> But that is NOT type acceptance approval.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill K2UNK
Bill <bill...@planet.net>
WHy do you cross post when it only shows your like of knowledge of the
subject to hams and CBers alike. I called several amateur stores today
HRO, AES, R&L, Micigan Radio and Communication Headquarters all said that
amateur radios had to be type excepted by the FCC before they could be sold
legally. This said I must conclude you ether don't know what you are
talking about, knowingly telling what you know is untrue or the the rest of
the professionals in amateur radio know nothing and you know it all. I can
only conclude that by your amateur license class you don't know it all, so
I'll believe those that know more than you.
Redwing
ManX
seen a piece of HAM gear thats not type accepted, and I'm not talking
about 10m anything, as most of it is designed to be moded anyways.
"John Kasupski, KC2FNG, KNY2VS" wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:45:06 -0400, Stanley <s...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >You just don't have a clue. Every amateur radio in the US has to be
> >type excepted.
>
The Landshark
>
> Hams have an obligation to be self policing. No other
> hobby has that obligation.
>
>
> Small crimes breeds people who do bigger crimes.
Good go police the Ham bands, But don't come
down 11 meters and whine about it..............
The Landshark
P.S. Oh by the way...... Joe......... Remove the
goo around you're chin.... It's not dignified.
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The Landshark
> The real problem is that too many Americans are assholes
> that need a good spanking.
Nazi's, I Hate Illinois Nazi's.......
The Landshark
ManX
Commercial equipment has to be type accepted, but unlike CBers HAMs are
allowed to build there own equipment (even mod it) and that stuff does not
have to be type accepted.
JJ wrote:
> Stanley wrote:
>
> > You just don't have a clue. Every amateur radio in the US has to be
ManX
been illegal, but no one cares!!
Greg Dean wrote:
> LDD7777 <ldd...@aol.com> wrote in Rec.Radio.CB...
> : You self rightous amateur's make me laugh.Not only do you cross post to
> stir
> : the pot but you don't have a clue.Like i have said before, if you want a
> nice
> : big output amp for cb just call any ham store or manufacture you don't
> need a
> : ticket.Go to the ham site www.qrz.com and its ready to rock and roll on
> all
> : bands.All thanxs to are ham friends.And if you want to convert any ham
> radio
> : that can be found there too.Take care and have fun.
10 OHM SMOKE
a few asshole would solve some of our problems also, now tell me how it
truly affects you that some one on channel 19 runs a couple hundred watts?
Greg Dean wrote in message ...
>
>RFEnforcer <rfenf...@aol.com> wrote in Rec.Radio.CB
>: >Here in Montana we try to take care of problems BEFORE the authorities
>: >get a chance to run them thru a system that is too easy on
>: >burglars,rapists,illegals on 10M,pedophiles,etc.Vigilantyism is alive
>: >and well.
>: Your neighbors in Wyoming think the same way. Hang 'em high :-)
>
>I didn't want to say it, but hanging a few "outlaws" would
>help solve the problems.
>
>
>
>
Mr. 137
>
>discipline. That could mean people losing their homes, 18 wheelers,
>and other property over illegal equipment. Just like the drug war.
But its CB!!! There aren't any lethal, corruptive crimes going on! Go
after the illegal transmitter and operator! Stop making it seem that all
CBers did what the few have done intentionally!
GEEEZ!!!
137
Greg Dean
Greg Dean
Greg Dean
Tim <timb...@aol.common> wrote in Rec.Radio.CB...
: >CBers are transmitting in our bands therefore it is our
: >problem. Moreover, we are trying to clean up all the
: >radio mess across the spectrum.
: >The real problem is that too many Americans are assholes
: >that need a good spanking.
:
:
: 1 the bands are not yours. it is allocated to you by the itu.
: they giveth and they taketh away.
:
That goes for all of us, in every service. If we do not clean
up the mess that Americans have made of both CB and
ham bands, there will be no public hobby services.
: 2 you are nobody. you have no powers and no rights to clean up anything
except
: whats yours. and nothing is yours except the equipment you use, not the
freqs
: you use it on.
:
The FCC has authorized the ARRL to assist in enforcement.
Therefore we have "OOs". And these radio frequencies belong
to the American people, therefore it is the responsibility of all
Americans to turn in law breakers.
: 3 i bet you would love to give all those truckers using amps a
:wipping. sounds like thats right up your alley.
What will happen is that there will be more operations that
trap CBers using illegal equipment. Watch for those truckers
to lose their 18 wheelers to the federal government.
The FCC will give them a real good spanking.
Greg Dean
: >that need a good spanking.
:
no
: respect for the law. The "It's okay as long as I don't get caught"
mentality
: prevails. Just another example how we're sinking ever lower as a society.
John Jenkins
>CB is now a high priority to the FCC. It is called "fixing the
>broken window" type of enforcement. The theory is that if
I think instead of worrying about CB, the FCC should start looking at
why a few individuals have ownership of hundreds of broadcast
stations, both television and radio. This is putting a serious
hurting on our ability to get a wide range of programming.
Greg Dean
Greg Dean
RFEnforcer <rfenf...@aol.com> wrote in Rec.Radio.CB...
:
: >And it is illegal to manufacture a 10 metre amp. Hams may
: >modify an existing amp for personal usage however. But
: >transceivers are allowed to be type accepted in the 10 metre
: >band for higher power.
: Yeah. Isn't that nice? A licensed ham cannot purchase a high-quality
AMATEUR
: amplifier for use on 10 meters. Why? "Because CB'ers might use them."
Yet he
: can go to any truck stop and select from a full line of Texas Star,
Palomar,
: etc., CB amps which work nicely on 10 meters.
:
: What a joke!
It is the same with guns and scanners. A few screw it up
for the rest of us.
Dick Carroll
>
> NoDXius Icanworkius Rex wrote:
> >
> > In article <psmM3.204$tZ4....@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>,
> > "Greg Dean" <N9...@AMSAT.org> wrote:
> >
> > > 10 metre band for higher power.
> >
> > acceptance" of HF Amateur transceivers.
> >
> AFJ IC-756". How come I had to wait to order one because "it had not
> been type accepted yet"???
Yep. The first run of every ad in the ham mags on the
latest rig from Yacomwood will carry fine print saying "This
transceiver is not yet for sale pending final approval of
the FCC" or words to that effect.
If it is homebuilt no such rule applies.
JJ
>
> What will happen is that there will be more operations that
> trap CBers using illegal equipment. Watch for those truckers
> to lose their 18 wheelers to the federal government.
> The FCC will give them a real good spanking.
Would love to see that happen.
Bill Sohl
But once again, the approval that was pending was
NOT type acceptance approval. Part 15, yes.
conformance to ECPA, etc Yes. Type Acceptance...NO.
Cheers,
Bill K2UNK
Bill Sohl
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>NoDXius Icanworkius Rex wrote:
>
>> In article <psmM3.204$tZ4....@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>,
>> "Greg Dean" <N9...@AMSAT.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Ham transceivers are allowed to be type accepted in the
>> > 10 metre band for higher power.
>>
>> That statement is just flatassed wrong. There is no "type
>> acceptance" of HF Amateur transceivers.
>>
>> 73, Carpe Diem
>>
>> --
>> DXing from the edge of the Trench
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Before you buy.
>
>You just don't have a clue. Every amateur radio in the US has to be
>type excepted. Now I not talking about this junk sold as at your local
>truck stop as a ten meter ham radio. Call Ten Tec, Icom, Yaesu,
>Kenwood, Standard or any of the other manufactures of legal equipment
>if you don't believe me or try calling a amateur radio store.
>--
>Stanley
Sorry Stan. You are wrong. Type acceptance
is a very specific set of design requirements and
standards which have been set in place by FCC
regulation for radios used in certain services. No
such "type acceptance" criteria exists for any
amateur radio equipment.
Cheers,
Bill K2UNK
Bill Sohl
But that is NOT type acceptance approval.
Cheers,
Bill K2UNK
MaryW4ME
reference to an "FCC Number." The FCC number IS the type acceptance number of
that radio. All you have to do is call the FCC and feed them the number off
the radio ID plate and the FCC will tell you what radio you have and when the
original type exceptance was issued. I am a retired commercial radio service
technician. I have dealt with the type acceptance for over 25 years making
sure that the customers radios are legal from the standpoint of type
acceptance. A good example is the Motorola Motrac/Motran, GE Mastr Pro, and
the GE Prog Line. They are all over 25 years old and the type acceptance has
been pulled by the FCC. Per the Communications Act of 1934 from which the FCC
Rules and Regs derive MANDATES type acceptance and licensing of all
transmitters in the U. S. I made mention of the FCC ID number on the radio
model or id plate. The type number is there by law. Amps for 6 and 10 meters
can be built with the approval of the FCC..... They too get an FCC number.
Marilyn Hartley W4ME.
MaryW4ME
sells 10 meter amps for hams. All you have to do is fax them a copy of your
ham ticket showing the proper class. Punish the hams because of the cb'ers.
Typical stupid governmet thinking. :-( Marilyn Hartley W4ME.
jdag...@gate.net
*dumb laws breed disrespect for all laws and cause common citizens to become
*criminals.
*
*Jim
*********************************************
yes dumb laws exist. Ignoring dumb laws don't make them go away. It is one step
towards complacency. If one can justify a law as dumb and ignore it, then one
can reason that any law is stupid and can be ignored. Thus breeds comtempt for
all rule of law. It starts with the simplest of laws. While no one is 100%
compliant with 100% of the laws, yours truly included, one should respect the
laws. If caught own up to the mistake. The lthaught of " it ain't illegal until
you get caught" has filled the minds of many in this society today.
thats my thought
regards
james
*>
*>Small crimes breeds people who do bigger crimes.
*>
*>
*>
*>
*
Jeffrey Herman
>You just don't have a clue. Every amateur radio in the US has to be
>type excepted.
Hey Stanley, where do I take my home-built transmitters to get them
"type-accepted"? =:o
73, Jeff KH6O
Jeffrey Herman
>What will happen is that there will be more operations that
>trap CBers using illegal equipment. Watch for those truckers
>to lose their 18 wheelers to the federal government.
Forfeiture? Interesting...
Jeff KH6O
Dick Carroll
>
> >The FCC still approves all commercially made Ham transceivers
> >before they are offered for sale.
>
> But that is NOT type acceptance approval.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill K2UNK
So go ahead and split your usual hairs and pick your usual
nits, Slick. Each new commercially built piece of amateur
radio transmiter apparatus must *topday* be approved, as a
unique type, by FCC before it can be sold BY FCC REGULATION.
THAT *is* indeed type acceptance, for each subsequent copy
of that model does not have to be individually approved. It
was not always so, just as it was not always illegal to
commercially produce amateur amplifiers which work on 10
meters.
It was not stated that amateur gear is required to meet the
exact same type acceptance as commercially used equipment.
That would be pointless since all of the standards are not
the same. But it is nontheless type acceptance. Its A Fact.
JJ
>
> Funny every pice of HAM gear I have is type accepted, and I have never
> seen a piece of HAM gear thats not type accepted, and I'm not talking
> about 10m anything, as most of it is designed to be moded anyways.
You haven't seem much ham gear then, no of the ham gear I have is type
accepted.
Hawke
based on what facts?
I hate to say it, but a fair number of the CB crowd here in Arizona
are NOT HAMS! They go into Ham radio outlet, buy the equipment
they want, WITH CASH, walk out, have some two-bit cb dealer
modify them for open band use and there you have it. Its almost cheaper
getting a "rig: with 30 MHZ of capability than buying an "Export model CB"
with only 4 MHz of capability and 1/5th the power.
I should know, I have a neighbor up the street that insist on running
5 KW out of his house on 27 MHz when I am trying to watch the channel
5 news! In doing a little research, I have discovered that, in fact, only
about
30 or so hams ever bother with the CB band locally, and perhaps only
about 10 of those attract any attention to themselves with high power and
potty mouths.. Considering that most of this group of hams hangs out
on a simplex frequency smack in the middle of the 2 meter band, we know who
the trouble makers are.
Secondly, I am not a ham, but I have to put up with comments from non-hams
and cb'ers about my SWL Installation.. so, I have come to this opinion: if
you
don't like it, do something about it! otherwise, shut up!
Hawke
10-7 wrote:
> Well they won't have far to look since lots of amatuers are the same ones
> running the big watts on CB band.
>
> Greg Dean <N9...@AMSAT.org> wrote in message:
> > And if you read the article from NewsLine, the FCC is going
> > after those who use such equipment. And hams will help the
> > FCC track such users down.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>> >The FCC still approves all commercially made Ham transceivers
>> >before they are offered for sale.
>>
>> But that is NOT type acceptance approval.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bill K2UNK
>
>Bill <bill...@planet.net>
> WHy do you cross post when it only shows your like of knowledge of the
>subject to hams and CBers alike.
I didn't add any crossposting that wasn't already in the
exchange. Which would you like me to delete
from future responses.
> I called several amateur stores today
>HRO, AES, R&L, Micigan Radio and Communication Headquarters all said that
>amateur radios had to be type excepted by the FCC before they could be sold
>legally.
And, of course, the sale people are the ultimate experts
on this subject?
>This said I must conclude you ether don't know what you are
>talking about, knowingly telling what you know is untrue or the the rest of
>the professionals in amateur radio know nothing and you know it all. I can
>only conclude that by your amateur license class you don't know it all, so
>I'll believe those that know more than you.
Believe whatever you want. Ham rigs are not
subject to type acceptance. I'll repeat again that
they are tested for compliance with certain other
FCC rules and regs, but none of that constitutes
type acceptance.
Cheers,
Bill K2UNK
Bill Sohl
>Bill Sohl wrote:
>>
>
>> >The FCC still approves all commercially made Ham transceivers
>> >before they are offered for sale.
>>
>> But that is NOT type acceptance approval.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bill K2UNK
>
> So go ahead and split your usual hairs and pick your usual
>nits, Slick. Each new commercially built piece of amateur
>radio transmiter apparatus must *topday* be approved, as a
>unique type, by FCC before it can be sold BY FCC REGULATION.
>THAT *is* indeed type acceptance, for each subsequent copy
>of that model does not have to be individually approved. It
>was not always so, just as it was not always illegal to
>commercially produce amateur amplifiers which work on 10
>meters.
What else can I expect from you Dick? You ignore
reality in your comments above. You wish to expand
"type accepatnce" to mean something it isn't.
> It was not stated that amateur gear is required to meet the
>exact same type acceptance as commercially used equipment.
>That would be pointless since all of the standards are not
>the same. But it is nontheless type acceptance. Its A Fact.
Type acceptance has very specific requirements for
each and every different service that type acceptance
equipment in called for by the FCC rules. Please show us
where in Part 97 there is any mention of type acceptance.
Cheers,
Bill K2UNK
Dave Hall
>
> NoDXius Icanworkius Rex wrote:
>
> > In article <psmM3.204$tZ4....@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>,
> > "Greg Dean" <N9...@AMSAT.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Ham transceivers are allowed to be type accepted in the
> > > 10 metre band for higher power.
> >
> > That statement is just flatassed wrong. There is no "type
> > acceptance" of HF Amateur transceivers.
> >
> > 73, Carpe Diem
> >
> > --
> > DXing from the edge of the Trench
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> truck stop as a ten meter ham radio. Call Ten Tec, Icom, Yaesu,
> Kenwood, Standard or any of the other manufactures of legal equipment
> if you don't believe me or try calling a amateur radio store.
>
Sigh. Here we go again. Amateur radios do NOT NOT NOT need to be type
accepted. Type acceptance is only used on bands where the operator is
not responsible for technical conformity. Since hams are "supposed" to
be technically competant, the radios do not need to be type accepted.
Most people confuse type acceptance with part 15 compliance. ALL radios
must be part 15 compliant (Also known as "FCC approved").
Dave
"sandbagger"
Dave Hall
>
> Funny every pice of HAM gear I have is type accepted, and I have never
> seen a piece of HAM gear thats not type accepted, and I'm not talking
> about 10m anything, as most of it is designed to be moded anyways.
>
they're NOT the same thing. FCC approved means that it passed part 15
tests, it has nothing to do with type acceptance for particular radio
services.
Non of my ham gear is type accepted, but they all have an FCC id number
and "approval".
Dave
"Sandbagger"
Dave Hall
> > >before they are offered for sale.
> >
> > But that is NOT type acceptance approval.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bill K2UNK
>
> HRO, AES, R&L, Micigan Radio and Communication Headquarters all said that
> amateur radios had to be type excepted by the FCC before they could be sold
> talking about, knowingly telling what you know is untrue or the the rest of
> the professionals in amateur radio know nothing and you know it all. I can
> only conclude that by your amateur license class you don't know it all, so
> I'll believe those that know more than you.
>
these store don't know the difference between "FCC approval" and "FCC
type acceptance" either. There IS a BIG difference. ALL radios must be
"FCC approved" for compliance to part 15 emissions requirements, but
only radios manufactured for certain radio services need to be type
accepted. The Amateur radio service in NOT one of them.
Dave
"Sandbagger"
Dick Carroll
>
> On 12 Oct 1999 03:17:11 GMT, Dick Carroll <di...@townsqr.com> wrote:
>
> >Bill Sohl wrote:
> >>
> >
> >> >before they are offered for sale.
> >>
> >> But that is NOT type acceptance approval.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Bill K2UNK
> >
> >nits, Slick. Each new commercially built piece of amateur
> >radio transmiter apparatus must *topday* be approved, as a
> >unique type, by FCC before it can be sold BY FCC REGULATION.
> >THAT *is* indeed type acceptance, for each subsequent copy
> >of that model does not have to be individually approved. It
> >was not always so, just as it was not always illegal to
> >commercially produce amateur amplifiers which work on 10
> >meters.
>
> What else can I expect from you Dick? You ignore
> reality in your comments above. You wish to expand
> "type accepatnce" to mean something it isn't.
>
> > It was not stated that amateur gear is required to meet the
> >exact same type acceptance as commercially used equipment.
> >That would be pointless since all of the standards are not
> >the same. But it is nontheless type acceptance. Its A Fact.
>
> Type acceptance has very specific requirements for
> each and every different service that type acceptance
> equipment in called for by the FCC rules. Please show us
> where in Part 97 there is any mention of type acceptance.
>
And what else can we expect from YOU, Slick??? Spin, spin,
spin.
The fact that type acceptance for amateur radio equipment
does not meet the exact same criteria for "Type Acceptance"
in the commercial radio services does NOT mean that it is
not type acceptance. DE FACTO that is exactly what it is.
When the advertising said that the Yaesu FT100 transciever
was not yet available for sale because it had not been
"approved" for sale by the FCC, what it was saying is that
it had not yet been tested and had not yet met FCC's
emissions purity standards. In short, it was not yet type
accepted. When the sample model passed those tests, all
FT100 radios would be legally approved for sale. THAT is
type acceptance, if not "Type Acceptance".
It is still a fact.
JJ
>
> The fact that type acceptance for amateur radio equipment
> does not meet the exact same criteria for "Type Acceptance"
> in the commercial radio services does NOT mean that it is
> not type acceptance. DE FACTO that is exactly what it is.
> When the advertising said that the Yaesu FT100 transciever
> was not yet available for sale because it had not been
> "approved" for sale by the FCC, what it was saying is that
> it had not yet been tested and had not yet met FCC's
> emissions purity standards. In short, it was not yet type
> accepted. When the sample model passed those tests, all
> FT100 radios would be legally approved for sale. THAT is
> type acceptance, if not "Type Acceptance".
> It is still a fact.
That is not type acceptance, if it were, hams would not be able to
legally modify ham gear.
A. Jones
>Secondly, I am not a ham, but I have to put up with comments from non-hams
>and cb'ers about my SWL Installation..
How do they get to see your installation? Do you invite them in?
Steve - KF2TI
Only in New York City if Rudy "1st Amendments don't mean squat" Gulliani
has anything to do with it Rudy's power supercedes the Federal
government. Ask him, he'll tell you
NoDXius Icanworkius Rex
> So go ahead and split your usual hairs and pick your usual
> nits, Slick.
Hi Big Boy,
Watch my lips -- closely -- really closely.
Are you paying attention now? Here is comes.....
THERE IS NO FCC TYPE ACCEPTANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THE AMATEUR
RADIO SERVICE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
There is no wiggle room at all in that statement. None. Nada.
Zippo. Zilch.
There is no de facto type acceptance, nor is there any de jure
type acceptance associated with amateur radio.
This is not splitting hairs. This is not picking nits.
If Amateur Radio equipment required type acceptance by the FCC
you could not build your own equipment. You could not modify
any type accepted equipment from another service for use in
the amateur service. You could not modify commercially built
amateur "type accepted" equipment you purchased. Further, the
FCC could cancel any previous type acceptance and make your
new FT-1000D immediately obsolete and unusable in the
amateur service just because it didn't want you to run LSB
anymore.
Pure and simple, there is nothing which even resembles type
acceptance in the Amateur Radio service. Thank God!
73, Carpe Diam
Bill Sohl
>Bill Sohl wrote:
>>
>> On 12 Oct 1999 03:17:11 GMT, Dick Carroll <di...@townsqr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Bill Sohl wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> >> >The FCC still approves all commercially made Ham transceivers
>> >> >before they are offered for sale.
>> >>
>> >> But that is NOT type acceptance approval.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Bill K2UNK
>> >
>> > So go ahead and split your usual hairs and pick your usual
>> >nits, Slick. Each new commercially built piece of amateur
>> >radio transmiter apparatus must *topday* be approved, as a
>> >unique type, by FCC before it can be sold BY FCC REGULATION.
>> >THAT *is* indeed type acceptance, for each subsequent copy
>> >of that model does not have to be individually approved. It
>> >was not always so, just as it was not always illegal to
>> >commercially produce amateur amplifiers which work on 10
>> >meters.
>>
>> What else can I expect from you Dick? You ignore
>> reality in your comments above. You wish to expand
>> "type accepatnce" to mean something it isn't.
>>
>> > It was not stated that amateur gear is required to meet the
>> >exact same type acceptance as commercially used equipment.
>> >That would be pointless since all of the standards are not
>> >the same. But it is nontheless type acceptance. Its A Fact.
>>
>> Type acceptance has very specific requirements for
>> each and every different service that type acceptance
>> equipment in called for by the FCC rules. Please show us
>> where in Part 97 there is any mention of type acceptance.
>>
>
> And what else can we expect from YOU, Slick??? Spin, spin,
>spin.
>
> The fact that type acceptance for amateur radio equipment
>does not meet the exact same criteria for "Type Acceptance"
>in the commercial radio services does NOT mean that it is
>not type acceptance. DE FACTO that is exactly what it is.
> When the advertising said that the Yaesu FT100 transciever
>was not yet available for sale because it had not been
>"approved" for sale by the FCC, what it was saying is that
>it had not yet been tested and had not yet met FCC's
>emissions purity standards. In short, it was not yet type
>accepted.
In short, you don't have a clue about what you are
talking about.
>When the sample model passed those tests, all
>FT100 radios would be legally approved for sale. THAT is
>type acceptance, if not "Type Acceptance".
It is NOT type acceptance in either upper or lower case.
> It is still a fact.
And, thankfully, you are not a trier of what is or isn't
fact.
Cheers,
Bill K2UNK
Jeffrey Herman
Challenge: Point out where, in Title 47 CFR Part 97, it is mentioned
that amateur radio transceivers must meet type acceptance.
(All you will find are limits set on spectral purity. Ours is the
only radio service in which operators are entrusted to have the
technical competence in which to abide by the stated regulations;
this privilege of trust is due to the amateur's self-policing nature.
We either abide or lose our license.)
73, Jeff KH6O
Jim Kelley
> Challenge: Point out where, in Title 47 CFR Part 97, it is mentioned
> that amateur radio transceivers must meet type acceptance.
This is exactly right. Somebody else mentioned FCC conformance, or
certification. That is also correct. Some local, county, and state
agencies require electrical equipment to have UL and FCC certication
(where applicable) if it to be sold new through retail outlets.
Manufacturers are anxious for their products to conform to these
regulations. One issue involved in certification now seems to be
whether the equipment is easily modifyable to receive 800 MHz cellullar
or not. Amplifiers must not be easily modifyable to operate on the 11
meter band.
73, jim
Hawke
but the rooftop antenna installation is what first attracts anyones attention.
I get griped at by the neighbors for creating interference, the local
neighborhood association has been trying to force me into removing
the installation entirely (I was here before they were). and it seems as
though
everytime there is a problem that is radiop related, I also get that knock on
the door
asking what I am doing? etc.
There are 2 hams that live close by and theres a 25 KW am transmitter located
in
a field just east of my location (910 KFYI).
So, I don't see why I have to put up with all the bitching. I meet all FCC
requirements
here (even had the fcc come in and do an inspection to determine where the
problem was).
This is why I get any attention at all from the neighborhood, I have a very
visible setup.
Hawke
"A. Jones" wrote:
--
Barry Chalcroft
> If push comes to shove, the "adults" in our society will demand
> discipline. That could mean people losing their homes, 18 wheelers,
> and other property over illegal equipment. Just like the drug war.
Forfeiture. Now that's a great idea. That's like giving government enforcement
officials (police, DEA,
SBI, FBI, FCC, etc.) a blank check. Since forfeiture falls under civil law it's
not "not guilty until proven
innocent" but "preponderance of the evidence". Many people have had items
(cars, houses, money)
seized by the government who were NOT guilty yet could not afford the civil
trial to get it back.
Unless you have been in a cave for the last 10 years you couldn't help but hear
the many horror stories
told by honest innocent working folks who got tagged beacuse they had too much
cash or a kid who sold
a narc a joint. The bad guys can afford to lose stuff to forfeiture.
I have heard Texas drug enforcement officials "shopping" for vehicles to stop.
No lie. I heard and watched
them stop and detain 2 Hispanic young men who just "fit the profile" (not many
Hispanic folk in Texas...hi. hi.).
They had $600 in cash and a new truck. The undercover officers had followed
them from Austin and had the
local police dept. stop them and call the dogs out.
The officers then spent the next hour talking on their radios about how their
boss would like a new truck, and
how the cash would make a nice addition to their training ("entertainment")
fund. Well the 2 men had the
money by legit means (receipt from selling some tires and rims)), they were
searched (twice) and basically
hassled just to "maybe turn something up" (direct quote). After they let the
men go I continued to listen
to the officers while they headed back to Austin, "shopping" for a new SUV.
They actually pulled into a
gas station and scoped out one guy who they were sure "fit the profile" (was
ethnic and had a nice ride)
but they decided not to hassle him after he turned out to be a local deputy.
I really wish they had called the
locals on him.
BTW, The Chief of police in this Texas town drove a nice caddy thanks to a
hapless pot smuggler who
stopped in the wrong rest stop. Having that nice car available for the Chief
was definitely a crime deterrent.
Wonder what he drives now...
Forfeiture. BAD IDEA. Unless you live in a police state...
CUL,
-barryc
--
Barry D. Chalcroft / N5NWI
Nobody told me there'd be days like these...
Nobody told me there'd be days like these...
Strange days indeed...
Most peculiar 'moma...
Roll...
-John Lennon
Chas
on guys. Daves absolutely right!
Chuck WG2A
Dave Hall wrote:
>
> Redwing wrote:
> >
> > Bill Sohl wrote:
> >
> > > >The FCC still approves all commercially made Ham transceivers
> > > >before they are offered for sale.
> > >
> > > But that is NOT type acceptance approval.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Bill K2UNK
> >
10-7
cant pass the test. Your statement doesnt make sense, your not a ham ,but
you have to put up with comments from non hams and cbers .Who cares go cry
to someone else about your stupid problems .
Hawke <prou...@interwrx.com> wrote in message
> Oh?
> based on what facts?
> Secondly, I am not a ham, but I have to put up with comments from non-hams
Rick Tannehill
>
> Just a simple call to the FCC would eliminate so much of this. Come
> on guys. Daves absolutely right!
> Chuck WG2A
Indeed! If type acceptance were needed, then we couldn't put any of
our personal home brew transmitters or amplifiers on the air at all,
since I don't know of any hams willing to spend the time and money to
have their equipment put through type acceptance testing.
Rick T.
Rick Tannehill
>
> Bill Sohl wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Bill Sohl wrote:
> > >>
> > >
> > >> >before they are offered for sale.
> > >>
> > >> But that is NOT type acceptance approval.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Bill K2UNK
> > >
> FT100 radios would be legally approved for sale. THAT is
> It is still a fact.
By definition, IT IS NOT type acceptance, otherwise all those
transmitters you've built over the years are illegal. Right!
Rick T.
Ben Coleman
>the only reason your a swl'er is because you cant pass the test.
Of all the Bulverisms (see the C.S. Lewis collection "God in the Dock",
part III, chapter 1 for an explanation) I've read online, this is one
of the silliest. Exactly how did you come up with this "insight" into
Hawke's motivations? Do you have a gift of telepathy you haven't told
us about? Have you commissioned PIs to investigate his life? Out of
all the miriad reasons why a person might be an swler, but not a ham,
is there any valid reason you can give why you picked out this one?
>Your statement doesnt make sense, your not a ham ,but
>you have to put up with comments from non hams and cbers.
It made perfect sense to me. He has no transmitters, but does have a
quite visable antenna system. Because of the visable antenna system,
his neighbors tend to blame him for every little glitch on their TVs,
radios, and phones, despite the fact that he's not operating a
transmitter. This is a problem any ham should empathize with.
Ben
--
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Internet: nj...@mindspring.com | micromanage equality results, at
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Greg Dean
always
: been illegal, but no one cares!!
:
What is new is that the FCC has announced, as reported by the
Amateur Radio NewsLine, it will start cracking down on illegal
amps, those who modify CBs to work out of band (outlaws) and
those who operate such equipment.
: > LDD7777 <ldd...@aol.com> wrote in Rec.Radio.CB...
: > : You self rightous amateur's make me laugh.Not only do you cross post
to
: > stir
: > : the pot but you don't have a clue.Like i have said before, if you want
a
: > nice
: > : big output amp for cb just call any ham store or manufacture you don't
: > need a
: > : ticket.Go to the ham site www.qrz.com and its ready to rock and roll
on
: > all
: > : bands.All thanxs to are ham friends.And if you want to convert any ham
: > radio
: > : that can be found there too.Take care and have fun.
: >
: > And if you read the article from NewsLine, the FCC is going
:
Greg Dean
10 OHM SMOKE <peak-...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:7tuehb$2tm$1...@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net...
: Maybe on your side of the fence, but on the other side of the fence
hanging
: a few asshole would solve some of our problems also, now tell me how it
: truly affects you that some one on channel 19 runs a couple hundred watts?
Because he is breaking the law. Because he is anti-social
and will not submit to the will of his fellow countrymen.
: >RFEnforcer <rfenf...@aol.com> wrote in Rec.Radio.CB
: >: >Here in Montana we try to take care of problems BEFORE the authorities
: >: >get a chance to run them thru a system that is too easy on
: >: >burglars,rapists,illegals on 10M,pedophiles,etc.Vigilantyism is alive
: >: >and well.
: >:
: >: Your neighbors in Wyoming think the same way. Hang 'em high :-)
: >
: >I didn't want to say it, but hanging a few "outlaws" would
: >help solve the problems.
: >
: >
: >
: >
:
:
Greg Dean
: > hobby has that obligation.
: >
: >
: > Small crimes breeds people who do bigger crimes.
:
: Good go police the Ham bands, But don't come
: down 11 meters and whine about it..............
:
: The Landshark
Except you folks are operating in our bands. Thus
you are fair game.
:
: P.S. Oh by the way...... Joe......... Remove the
: goo around you're chin.... It's not dignified.
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Greg Dean
MaryW4ME <mary...@aol.com> wrote ...
: In a post on the type acceptance of amateur radios in the U. S. there was
a
: reference to an "FCC Number." The FCC number IS the type acceptance
number of
: that radio. All you have to do is call the FCC and feed them the number
off
: the radio ID plate and the FCC will tell you what radio you have and when
the
: original type exceptance was issued. I am a retired commercial radio
service
: technician. I have dealt with the type acceptance for over 25 years
making
: sure that the customers radios are legal from the standpoint of type
: acceptance. A good example is the Motorola Motrac/Motran, GE Mastr Pro,
and
: the GE Prog Line. They are all over 25 years old and the type acceptance
has
: been pulled by the FCC. Per the Communications Act of 1934 from which the
FCC
: Rules and Regs derive MANDATES type acceptance and licensing of all
: transmitters in the U. S. I made mention of the FCC ID number on the
radio
: model or id plate. The type number is there by law. Amps for 6 and 10
meters
: can be built with the approval of the FCC..... They too get an FCC number.
: Marilyn Hartley W4ME.
The guys might be right. Our equipment may only be
type approved rather than type accepted. It is based
on our technical expertise compaired to other services.
Greg Dean
W1RFI <w1...@aol.com> wrote
: >>A lot of other equipment is subject to similar certification -- your PC,
: >>your radio/alarm-clock, your walkman, and your wifes microwave oven.
: PCs and peripherals can be Certificated or can be manufactured and sold
under a
: "Declaration of Conformity." The radio/alarm clock, walkman and microwave
oven
: are "Verified" under Part 15, not Certificated. "Verified" means that the
: manufacturer is required to test them to ensure that they comply with Part
15
: limits. That's it; no FCC involvement at all. Most of the devices
regulated by
: Part 15 are "Verified."
:
:
: 73,
: Ed Hare, W1RFI
Ed, as you are with the ARRL, you do have a certain expertise
that we respect.
: >>The FCC still approves all commercially made Ham transceivers
: >>before they are offered for sale.
:
: Not really; If memory serves, HF amps and equipment that contains scanning
: receivers is subject to Certification. Under Certification, the
manufacturer
: sends information and test results about the equipment to the FCC and they
: issue an FCC ID # from there.
:
: Other ham gear is subject only to the requirements of Part 97, with no FCC
: involvement at all.
:
: 73,
: Ed Hare, W1RFI
Is it certification or approval? And why does it take
so long for a new piece of equipment to get said
approval before it can be sold?
Greg Dean
MaryW4ME <mary...@aol.com> wrote ...
: While I agree with you on the truck stops and cb amps, Henry Radio builds
and
: sells 10 meter amps for hams. All you have to do is fax them a copy of
your
: ham ticket showing the proper class. Punish the hams because of the
cb'ers.
: Typical stupid governmet thinking. :-( Marilyn Hartley W4ME.
It is called nannyism. Punish everyone instead of
going after those causing the problems. The problem
is that demoralizes everyone because everyone says
why bother being better, it doesn't pay.
Hawke
what makes you *THINK* i didn't pass any test?
Also, you have no real clue who I am. I COULD be a ham,
or i COULD BE a CB'er. Problem is, you just can't tell
in here , now can't you?
Funny thing about assuming: makes an ASS out of yoU and ME.
Hawke
10-7 wrote:
> First hand experience moron. the only reason your a swl'er is because you
> cant pass the test. Your statement doesnt make sense, your not a ham ,but
> you have to put up with comments from non hams and cbers .Who cares go cry
> to someone else about your stupid problems .
>
--
Dave Hall
>
> Bill Sohl wrote:
> >
> > On 12 Oct 1999 03:17:11 GMT, Dick Carroll <di...@townsqr.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Bill Sohl wrote:
> > >>
> > >
> > >> >before they are offered for sale.
> > >>
No, that is NOT "type Acceptance", that is "Part 15 compliance". You are
still confusing 2 sets of completely different requirements.
Part 15 compliance among other things, makes sure that an electronic
device does not emit an out of band signal strong enough to interfere
with users of other services, as well as sets standards for spectral
purity.
Type acceptance is an ADDITIONAL set of requirements that are specific
to the radio service that the equipment is to be used on. In the case of
CB radio, things like 40 channels, modulation control, power output etc.
This is specific to the CB service. In order to be type accepted for CB,
you can't, for example, have a radio with VFO frequency control, it has
to be channelized and PLL controlled.
None of this applies to the Amatuer radio service. Hams are allowed to
use VFO's because the HAM is responsible to know where the band edges
are. The ham is allowed to adjust his power because he is supposed to
know the limits and is responsible enough to adhere to the rules.
It is this technical competance, that allows the ARS to not require type
accepted equipment.
Dave
"Sandbagger"
cc...@uhc.com.chopped-ham-filtre.invalid
ham as someone with a license that says they can transmit, and that is the
traditional view too - not some modern-day liberal definition.
In rec.radio.amateur.equipment 10-7 <boyg...@aol.com> wrote:
: First hand experience moron. the only reason your a swl'er is because you
: cant pass the test. Your statement doesnt make sense, your not a ham ,but
: you have to put up with comments from non hams and cbers .Who cares go cry
: to someone else about your stupid problems .
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>
> I feel I *must* step in here. In my books, an SWL is every bit as much a
> ham as someone with a license that says they can transmit, and that is the
> traditional view too - not some modern-day liberal definition.
The traditional view has always been that a ham is someone who holds an
amateur radio operators license. I have never heard of an swl'er being
referred to as a ham. And that is not ment to put the swl'er down in any
way.
The Landshark
Well sorry to say, but you are being way to
general. I'm lucky if once a year I go above
27.405 or below 26.965. So your statement that
"I'm fair game" is Bullshit!!! I had my "Ticket"
once and I'll tell you, it practically was the
same as listening to channel 17 around here.
That's why I said you should enforce yourselves
before you come down to whine on the 11 meter band.
Oh by the..... Small minds, breeds narrow views......
The Landshark
Jeffrey Herman
>No, that is NOT "type Acceptance", that is "Part 15 compliance". You are
>still confusing 2 sets of completely different requirements.
Example: The tag on the back of my marine band transceiver reads:
"F.C.C. DATA RAYTHEON RAY-53 Type Accepted and Receiver Certified
for F.C.C. Rules Part 2, 15, and 83."
Jeff KH6O
Jonesy
Please, God, let this thread die!
Diana Moon Glompers
OK, I will.
DIE you summabitch, DIE!
***********************
There, that oughta take care of it.
Dave Hall
adheres to the technical requirements of Part 83.
The same would be found in the aviation, land mobile, FRS, GMRS,
citizens Band, and other commerical services. But NOT Amateur Radio.
You will never see a tag on a ham radio that says "Type accepted for
technical requirements of Part 97"
You WILL see a tag that says "FCC approved" or "Complies with FCC Part
15" or something similar.
Dave
"Sandbagger"
10-7
see below num nuts
>
> I hate to say it, but a fair number of the CB crowd here in Arizona
> are NOT HAMS!
> I should know, I have a neighbor up the street that insist on running
> 5 KW out of his house on 27 MHz when I am trying to watch the channel
> 5 news!
======================================================
Have you seen his watt meter?
In doing a little research, I have discovered that, in fact, only
> about
> 30 or so hams ever bother with the CB band locally, and perhaps only
> about 10 of those attract any attention to themselves with high power and
> potty mouths.. Considering that most of this group of hams hangs out
> on a simplex frequency smack in the middle of the 2 meter band, we know
who
> the trouble makers are.
==================================================================
So 30 hams are active on CB and 10 of them run high power and use foul
language in your area that you personaly know about that is 33-1/3% of the
hams in your area breaking the rules How many would you consider alot?
These results are based on your facts not mine. So to answer your question
based on your
> Hawke
>
> 10-7 wrote:
>
> > Well they won't have far to look since lots of amatuers are the same
ones
> > running the big watts on CB band.