Outbacker Perth
Charles F. Davis Sr.
I am about to install a Kenwood TS-50S transceiver in my Blazer. I am
considering the purchase of an Outbacker Perth antenna, but hav heard a
couple of instances of trouble with this antenna. Anyone have any
experience, either good, or bad? What would be another option in this
price range. I would love to have the SGC QMS system, but this is way out
of my price range.
--
Charles
KF4VEI
<<<I'm The NRA>>>
Gerald Schmitt
In <6grfvn$f...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> charle...@worldnet.att.net
Hi Charles,
I have both the Perth and the SGC QMS system. Neither is particularly
efficient below 20meters. The Perth is built like a tank I would go
Marlin fishing with it. It is low Q to be broadbanded and thus is low
efficiency I got my butt kicked at the Santa Barbara shootout last year
using it. I carry it on travel and use my rig in rental cars but in my
own vehicle I use a screwdriver type antenna or a bug catcher.
As to the SGC the only way it will punch holes through mountains is if
you use the SG-303 radiator to drill blasting holes. The SGC tuner will
tune a bed spring but with no efficiency.
Most likely not what you wanted to hear but it does represent my
experience.
73 Jerry KK5YY
Phil Wheeler
Gerald Schmitt wrote:
> I have both the Perth and the SGC QMS system. Neither is particularly
> efficient below 20meters. The Perth is built like a tank I would go
> Marlin fishing with it. It is low Q to be broadbanded and thus is low
> efficiency I got my butt kicked at the Santa Barbara shootout last year
> using it. I carry it on travel and use my rig in rental cars but in my
> own vehicle I use a screwdriver type antenna or a bug catcher.
Thanks for the report on this. It matches my experience re Outbacker.
On 20 m I've found the lowly Hamsticks to work better. My current
system for 20 and higher freqs is a Hustler set, mainly because the
foldover mast is such a convenience. On 20 I use a 15m coil with a
45-50 inch whip; seems to work much beter than the stock 20m setup.
I'd love to have a Bugcatcher or Screwdriver, but easy removeabilty and
stowage are important, since I leave my car parked in remote mountain
areas and like to stash all in the trunk. Maybe I could do that with
those antennas, but they do look a bit more "mechanically challenged".
>
> As to the SGC the only way it will punch holes through mountains is if
> you use the SG-303 radiator to drill blasting holes. The SGC tuner will
> tune a bed spring but with no efficiency.
>
The people who seem to like the SGCs use them on boats or base stations
with longer wires than are proactical in a mobile, in-motion set up ..
or so it seems to me.
Phil
Charles Davis
In article <6gs439$7...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>, kc5...@ix.netcom.com
says...
> Hi Charles,
>
> I have both the Perth and the SGC QMS system. Neither is particularly
> efficient below 20meters. The Perth is built like a tank I would go
> Marlin fishing with it. It is low Q to be broadbanded and thus is low
> efficiency I got my butt kicked at the Santa Barbara shootout last year
> using it. I carry it on travel and use my rig in rental cars but in my
> own vehicle I use a screwdriver type antenna or a bug catcher.
>
> As to the SGC the only way it will punch holes through mountains is if
> you use the SG-303 radiator to drill blasting holes. The SGC tuner will
> tune a bed spring but with no efficiency.
>
> Most likely not what you wanted to hear but it does represent my
> experience.
>
> 73 Jerry KK5YY
Thanks Jerry,
This is exactly what I want. Honest answers on personal experience. I
haven't made up my mind yet on what to do, and hope to get a better
understanding of what works, and what doesn't.
--
Chas.
<<<I'm The NRA>>>
KF4VEI
Rick
For what it's worth...I went through this thought process and decided, for
the money versus performance, I could live with a selection of Hamsticks
for mobile operation. I put two mounts on the car and leave two sticks up
most of the time with a switch between the two. For stationary use I flip
up a short mast with a copper dipole covering 6, 10, and 15 meters. It is
soon going to get an addition to give me 20m. An additional bonus is the
number of fun conversations this thing starts.
Charles F. Davis Sr. <charle...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<6grfvn$f...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
Charles Davis
In article <01bd673f$47ca9020$57806ac6@dad>, rick...@teleport.com
says...
> For what it's worth...I went through this thought process and decided, for
> the money versus performance, I could live with a selection of Hamsticks
> for mobile operation. I put two mounts on the car and leave two sticks up
> most of the time with a switch between the two. For stationary use I flip
> up a short mast with a copper dipole covering 6, 10, and 15 meters. It is
> soon going to get an addition to give me 20m. An additional bonus is the
> number of fun conversations this thing starts.
I'm leaning more this way. Saw somewhere that there was a mount that let
you put three antennas on the mount, and it would find the resonant
antenna, just like single fed multi-dipoles. I'm going to look into this.
Thanks,
N8BLK
In article <6h08to$c...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
charle...@worldnet.att.net (Charles Davis ) writes:
>
>I'm leaning more this way. Saw somewhere that there was a mount that let
>you put three antennas on the mount, and it would find the resonant
>antenna, just like single fed multi-dipoles. I'm going to look into this.
>Thanks,
If it's the Hustler aluminum plate tapped with three holes for putting
the antennas on, be warned that almost everyone who has used
one has lost at least one of the resonators. The thin aluminum
plate used just can't take both the vertical and horizontal stresses
and a resonator is lost. It should also be noted that antennas like
the Comet multiband system while small aren't efficient even on bands
like 10 meters and have problems. I also note that a large bugcatcher
or a screwdriver is a sure attention getter, but a three resonator
antenna on a car attracts even more attention even if it's less
efficient and doesn't radiate as well. By the time you get to a three
band system or even a two band system, the screwdriver antenna
looks better to me both in terms of efficiency on 40 meters and 75
meters, but also in allowing me to switch bands even in a rainstorm
without getting wet. Needing to get on 75 meters at night for example
can also be a real pain if you have to unscrew one element to replace
it with another. I tried the three mount Hustler system, I lost two
resonators in less than a month of driving and had to replace the
little aluminum plate twice besides that. It might have been a good
idea, but it seems more suited to sitting still and switching bands
than moving down the road, and if I'm able to sit still a bugcatcher
seems like an even better choice until I hit 20 meters and above and
even then, it's not less efficient than a Hustler or hamstick type
antenna.
-art clemons-