Screwdriver Antenna W/ 8 - 11 db gain ????
William Lee
A company called Associated has advertised in the Ham Trader (1st Sept
issue 1997, page 36, top, center) that they are selling a screwdriver
antenna with 8 to 11 db gain over commercial antennas. Think about
that....8 - 11 db gain over my hustler antenna...WOW too good to be true.
I've got beams that don't do that well. Their number is 1-800-359-0050.
They state that they have sold to the military. I wonder if they also sell
hammers and toilet seats? If you can believe that their antenna can give 8
to 11 db gain over another commercial antenna then ask them about some land
in Florida while you are ordering one.
As someone famous once said " There is a sucker born every minute ".
Gerald Schmitt
In <01bcceaf$285e5240$88cbf2ce@william> "William Lee"
You might want to take a look at the recent shootout results. I think
you will find 8-11 db gain over Hustlers or an Outbacker or Spyder on
75 meters is about right. There is a BIG difference between
"Commercial"ie Hustler Hamstick type antennas and Screwdrivers and Bug
Catchers.
Jerry
Phil Wheeler
Might be true vs. Hustler on 75 meters (which is about as close to a
dummy load as you can get with an antenna). Not true on other bands,
tho.
Phil
Les
In article <01bcceaf$285e5240$88cbf2ce@william>, wil...@inwave.com
says...
>
>A company called Associated has advertised in the Ham Trader (1st Sept
>issue 1997, page 36, top, center) that they are selling a screwdriver
>antenna with 8 to 11 db gain over commercial antennas. Think about
>that....8 - 11 db gain over my hustler antenna...WOW too good to be
true.
>I've got beams that don't do that well. Their number is 1-800-359-0050.
>They state that they have sold to the military. I wonder if they also
sell
>hammers and toilet seats? If you can believe that their antenna can give
8
>to 11 db gain over another commercial antenna then ask them about some
land
>in Florida while you are ordering one.
>As someone famous once said " There is a sucker born every minute ".
Yeah, but that's metric.
Les
N8BLK
>
>Yeah, but that's metric.
>
>Les
On 75 meters during shootouts, namely using the same output power,
or making adjustments for the power going into the antenna, there is
about an 8-11 db difference between well made screwdriver antennas
and most others, with large bugcatchers a notable exception. However
if you want a hamstick, or Hygain, or Hustler antenna among others,
you will find the claimed difference in output. You may not want to
believe it, but almost anyone who bothers to make measurements
that are even remotely calibrated in DB, like using a calibrated
attenuator on a relative scale on the same day gets approximately
the same results. If you use a setup like W6KKT does, the results
are even more believable, but you to can duplicate the results for
yourself. In this case, the larger antennas outperform the thin ones,
and by the way, it seems that on 75 meters, the 400 watt Hustler
antennas outperform their QRO brothers too. Is the ad misleading?
Possibly, but it's accurate for most situations too.
-art clemons-
Gerald Schmitt
In <19971004041...@ladder02.news.aol.com> n8...@aol.com
Hi Art,
I tried to explain this to the original poster but apparently was
unsuccessful. Some folks want to believe vendors are basically
dishonest so badly that facts are discarded as inconvenient.
A large part of the problem seems to be one of reading comprehension.
Kurt N. Sterba takes a swipe at Pierre from SGC's claims and it is
interperted as all vendors are raving liars and if you make as
measurement that indicates that one vendor might be telling the truth
then you are an idiot.
As you rightfully point out on 75M the shootout results clearly
indicate significant improvement with a screwdriver over the Hamstick,
Hustler, Spyder, Outbacker class of antenna. This seems to be difficult
for some folks to accept but it observed time after time at the
shootouts.
Come to the National Shootout in New Mexcio next year it should be
educational
73 Jerry KK5YY
SCO
kc5...@ix.netcom.com(Gerald Schmitt ) wrote:
People are so used to hear the president and vide-president and many
other politicians lie so much and so often with calious disregard for
the truth that they carry this feeling or to other fields. therefore
when they hear a claim in ham radio they think ... it is another lie
too. Ans people say it does not matter that the president lies!!!!
Cecil A. Moore
William Lee wrote:
> As someone famous once said " There is a sucker born every minute ".
Hi William, there were a lot of "suckers" at the 75m mobile shootout
who beat Hustlers and Outbackers by about that amount. Check out
W6MMA's screwdriver vs the Outbacker.
73, Cecil, W6RCA