Censored post ...
John Smith
Here is an example of a censored post, of mine:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97. Please strike
reference on any resubmit. - K3FU
Your message has been rejected because it describes or advocates
activities that we reasonably believe to be in violation of United
States Law or Federal Communications Commission Regulations (or
similar laws and regulations in other countries, if you are not a
U.S. person).
Please read the charter of rec.radio.amateur.moderated at:
http://www.panix.com/~rram/usenet/rram/index.html
Please direct any queries to rec-radio-amateur...@panix.com.
Thank you,
- Moderation Team.
============================================ Full text of your message
follows
> > From ne...@schnuerpel.eu Mon Jul 28 22:55:40 2008
> > Return-Path: <ne...@schnuerpel.eu>
> > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on
> > mailcrunch3.panix.com
> > X-Spam-Level:
> > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED
> > autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3
> > X-Original-To: rr...@panix.com
> > Delivered-To: rr...@panix.com
> > Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73])
> > by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64022DE2B
> > for <rr...@panix.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:55:40 -0400 (EDT)
> > Received: by mail2.panix.com (Postfix)
> > id 7942E3480F; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:55:40 -0400 (EDT)
> > Delivered-To: rec-radio-ama...@panix.com
> > Received: from pinatubo.switch.ch (pinatubo-2.switch.ch [130.59.1.10])
> > by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D8C3480D
> > for <rec-radio-ama...@panix.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008
22:55:40 -0400 (EDT)
> > Received: from [78.46.73.112] (helo=schnuerpel.eu)
> > by pinatubo.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.63)
> > (envelope-from <ne...@schnuerpel.eu>)
> > id 1KNfND-0004GQ-Ae
> > for rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org; Tue, 29 Jul
2008 04:55:39 +0200
> > Received: by schnuerpel.eu (Postfix, from userid 9)
> > id 2B82F3427E22; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:55:38 +0200 (CEST)
> > To: rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org
> > Path: news.albasani.net!not-for-mail
> > From: John Smith <assembl...@gmail.com>
> > Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated
> > Subject: Re: Another BPL?
> > Organization: albasani.net
> > Message-ID: <g6m0r9$af2$2...@news.albasani.net>
> > References: <6LWdnV779ZZlBRXV...@deskmedia.com>
<g6f0ci$m0g$1...@news.albasani.net>
<g6gq84l3ut0jinlr4...@4ax.com>
<g6jj5j$esn$2...@news.albasani.net>
<kars849mfsegvqm91...@4ax.com>
> > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > X-Trace: news.albasani.net
kklDQD/EokIbDqwCEygRBiGoYjpTQTNy7Bnj34Wy+iKnJlTkAMQ4rP1Q6p2FTsmVNy9VODVGdwsV6qvMvxnW2OFCBAxnVrjxCXzymgVbUYtcYC2EnBAIrN789QBMwd8w
> > X-Complaints-To: ab...@albasani.net
> > NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:55:38 +0000 (UTC)
> > X-User-ID: P1Dd21pPhUfImVLH3p3zfBQAFZjMk3spjKWIj0WMKD4=
> > Cancel-Lock: sha1:NNzoW97xjmFZ1PA3aPy1LlXf9Aw=
> > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
> > X-NNTP-Posting-Host: jD8wRQp2wU7nmUmpmuf4j3zmw7wvERBchG2KU87PgQk=
> > X-Virus-Status: No
> >
> > Phil Kane wrote:
> >
>> > > ...
>> > > There are still some of us who cling to the motto "When all else
>> > > fails...amateur radio". My concept of ham radio is to be free from
>> > > any non-ham intermediary transmission systems.
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
>> > >
>> > >>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
>> > > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
>> > >
>> > > e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net
>> > >
> >
> > THAT is just too much of a romantics and dreamers vision for me. In
> > such times, where there is a "catastrophic failure of civilization" (I
> > mean, this is the only thing I can imagine which would hold the drama
> > you suggest)--trust me, if you can find someone to trade that rig
to for
> > a gun, a loaf of bread, some medicine for your family, shelter,
bedding,
> > etc., take them up on it! If you think food, medicine, fuel for
> > heat/cooling and shelter are going to be in demand--just try
hunting up
> > a hot 220V outlet ...
> >
> > Amateur radio did little to alleviate human suffering, pain, needs and
> > rescue in the New Orleans disaster--I suspect the highly specific
> > disaster you envision will never come, but if it does, temporary cell
> > towers on trailers (you know they have them, right) will be more
> > suited--or, as I have stated before--truckers with CB's (heck, solar
> > powered lowfers and QRP'ers may look good!) But hey, I have seen
> > Hollywood writers make a fortune selling this line, many books have
> > contained these ideas also--rescue by radio! ... a lot of scifi flicks
> > have an amateur radio in the background also--yep, I have read 'em and
> > watched 'em ... :-)
> >
> > But then, you never know, we could be invaded by Canada or Mexico
> > tomorrow and find we are fresh out of nukes!
> >
> > Now, all that said, I DO plan on keeping my KW+ and 5KW amps ... ya
> > never know, ya just never know ... but power for them, in such a
> > disaster? :-(
> >
> > I just hope a few feds/state-workers are left to see some temp cell
> > towers set up ...
> >
> > Regards,
> > JS
> >
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (NetBSD)
iJwEAQECAAYFAkiOkfgACgkQSO8RITXCfvtKOgP/VjyuTPjh8Hu6KWvLUxdJiAge
1F0H2h3TtRz3Gw1asdb5AppCsKQPOrjAXhEgQ+OnKvV18HZpE7kANvD50AmZGLvj
+xrJJcJ08eF7/aU+hOSExXQ1wRxNm02iAr6X2NKkAs7ZDhygo4WBGN3w16eTIJoG
yIxj6dKe4346GF6N7NU=
=RU/f
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
It is none of K3FUs' business what equipment I own, or who I tell ...
That man, and I use that title VERY LIGHTLY, is beyond an idiot ...
JS
Ed
> If you ever think about posting to the moderated group, don't ...
>
> Here is an example of a censored post, of mine:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97. Please strike
> reference on any resubmit. - K3FU
>
I'm pretty sure a ham CAN use a 5KW PA, as long as he limits the power
out to the maximum allowed under our FCC rules. Its not the hardware
that is not permited, its the actual power out that counts.
Ed K7AAT
John Smith
> ...
> I'm pretty sure a ham CAN use a 5KW PA, as long as he limits the power
> out to the maximum allowed under our FCC rules. Its not the hardware
> that is not permited, its the actual power out that counts.
>
> Ed K7AAT
>
I am fairly confident that is true, and running such a rig at an "idle"
would certainly guarantee a loooooong lifetime for the finals! ... but,
with lawyers, you never know.
Anyway, a paranoid ham can certainly keep one in the basement for "The
Big One!"
But, my post which started this thread was rather cryptic in its'
intent; and, in my haste I failed to make that intent obvious. I meant
to show what can be accomplished with censorship and why it is a most
diabolical and evil weapon. Especially since the censor can "load the
dice." A bully, a biased media, a pseudo-government entity--such as the
arrl, etc., when, in the background, attempts to influence the public,
that publics' options and access to ideas, well, this has always managed
to get my blood to heat.
One thing I like about the r.r.a.antenna news thread is that we have
"nuts" here, and sometimes that is exactly what is needed to seed new
ideas, designs, etc. Or, to go where no mind has gone before (or is
that StarTrek? <grin>)
Someone, somewhere, quite possibly from this group, will go to bed one
night, much like John Kanzius. That someone will awake during the
night, perhaps, and end up constructing the "new antenna" from his wifes
pie plates. It may "change things."
Well, at least I think that much more plausible then someone from
r.r.a.m (hey, is that a pseudonym for arrl? <wink>) awaking and saving
the world with their rig and moderated newsgroup! ;-)
Regards,
JS
Cecil Moore
> "A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97."
Back in the 60's, a ham friend of mine ran a
surplus AM transmitter capable of 10KW output.
However, he never adjusted his input power to
more than the legal 1KW limit.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com
lt...@yahoo.com
how much power could -possibly- be run. It's up to the user to stay
legal. Simple as that.
- 'Doc
Ed Cregger
"Ed" <Huckleber...@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9AE9E34FEAC62Hu...@198.186.192.196...
--------------
Yep, you are right. We are regulated by emission standards. Not equipment
standards.
Ed, NM2K
John Smith
> ...
> Yep, you are right. We are regulated by emission standards. Not equipment
> standards.
>
> Ed, NM2K
>
>
But, we here, in r.r.a.a, can "cheat" that quite legally! It is called
high gain antennas ... (or, ERP)
However, those get more difficult with "distance" (i.e, meters) ... and
age. :-( (not to mention rules/regulations.)
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> John Smith quoted someone:
>> "A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97."
>
> Back in the 60's, a ham friend of mine ran a
> surplus AM transmitter capable of 10KW output.
> However, he never adjusted his input power to
> more than the legal 1KW limit.
Recently, over in r.r.a.m, the following exchange took place between me
and another:
EXCERPT FROM MY POST:
"> These freqs, being opened up for the net, is a very exciting development
> >... I believe the opportunities and access provided will greatly expand
> >the availability to the net under adverse circumstances, and make
> >greater speeds available to those who were lacking the same ..."
HIS RESPONSE:
"I do believe that the thrust of this group is to further Amateur
Radio, not "the 'net".
Then there are those of us who are professionals in spectrum
regulatory management who believe that this is a harebrained idea
from the get-go that violates good professional practice."
My NSHPO." [Not So Humble Personal Opinion? -- by JS]
MY ANALYSIS OF THE ABOVE EXCHANGE:
This individual, apparently/obviously, has no real respect for the
Scientific Method (i.e., Scientific Thinking.) He would have the
citizens suffer the will(s) of "us who are professionals." <snicker>
(Is that like alcoholics, they are, when they say they are one? <grin>)
And, I feel I could easily make a 1:1 replacement of "regulatory
management" with "religious devotion/doctorine."
And, his use of, "... from the get-go that violates good professional
practice" simply restates his preference to a "religious devotion" to
"arrl doctorine" over any REAL use of the scientific methods/thinking.
The "Coup De Grace" of his "thrust" being "NSHPO", indications of a
rather large ego, and usually held by an ego-manic!
Anyway, this "mans'" complete ramblings can be read over in r.r.a.m ...
it is well worth your trouble--if you need a laugh today; they are, now,
a matter of public record. ;-)
Regards,
JS
Bruce in alaska
Cecil Moore <nos...@w5dxp.com> wrote:
> John Smith quoted someone:
> > "A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97."
>
> Back in the 60's, a ham friend of mine ran a
> surplus AM transmitter capable of 10KW output.
> However, he never adjusted his input power to
> more than the legal 1KW limit.
Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......
--
Bruce in alaska
add <path> after <fast> to reply
John Smith
> ...
> Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
> understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
> operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
> 97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
> 47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......
>
Your post is inspiring, and immediately brings a hypothetical question
to mind:
If an amateur is near a QRP'er on a field-day, they both have made
contact with the same ham, on the same freq/mode and within seconds of
ones' QSO ending, the other began ... and the QRP'er did it with 5w the
other ham with 100w ...
Is the 100w'er in violation of the law? <grin>
Or, and perhaps more importantly, do you know of any amateurs who would
"turn him in?" Or, call for his license to be revoked? -- I mean other
than those in r.r.a.m, apparently?
Or, who really enjoys contacts barely above the noise floor? Well,
sometimes ...
ROFLOL!
Regards,
JS
Dave
"Bruce in alaska" <fa...@btpost.net> wrote in message
news:fast-9CEF6D.1...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
and how would you know that from the information stated?
Jim Kelley
> If you ever think about posting to the moderated group, don't ...
>
> Here is an example of a censored post, of mine:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97. Please strike
> reference on any resubmit. - K3FU
>
> Your message has been rejected because it describes or advocates
> activities that we reasonably believe to be in violation of United
> States Law or Federal Communications Commission Regulations (or
> similar laws and regulations in other countries, if you are not a
> U.S. person).
>
> Please read the charter of rec.radio.amateur.moderated at:
>
> http://www.panix.com/~rram/usenet/rram/index.html
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> - Moderation Team.
>
>
>
> That man, and I use that title VERY LIGHTLY, is beyond an idiot ...
>
> JS
What they are doing over there is a blatent attempt to keep bozos off
the bus! It should be viewed as an affront to all bozos, and you are
well within your rights to be good and mad about it.
ac6xg
(actual callsign)
John Smith
> ...
> and how would you know that from the information stated?
>
>
Oh now, imagine that; why didn't we/I think of that! There are "other
possibilities" to his intentions/actions/words!
However, the alternatives bode poorly of the mans motives, intellect,
reading comprehension abilities, trustworthiness, fitness for public
position, etc. -- pick one or more at your own/his risk ... perhaps
"manipulator" would be a compromise one could seek?
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> ...
> What they are doing over there is a blatent attempt to keep bozos off
> the bus! It should be viewed as an affront to all bozos, and you are
> well within your rights to be good and mad about it.
>
> ac6xg
> (actual callsign)
If your appraisal of "their intentions/wishes" is correct, and you are a
friend, would not it be appropriate to inform them they have failed?
Indeed, apparently, while "their" attention(s) were elsewhere, the bozos
snuck on that bus and now guide that "vehicles" direction ... <frown>
But you do have a point! Their inability to recognize their plight and
what has happened to them is rather strange; do you believe anyone is
home? ... Or, you think it might be something in the water they are
drinking? :-(
Regards,
JS
Jim Kelley
> Jim Kelley wrote:
> > ...
> > What they are doing over there is a blatent attempt to keep bozos off
> > the bus! It should be viewed as an affront to all bozos, and you are
> > well within your rights to be good and mad about it.
>
> > ac6xg
> > (actual callsign)
>
> If your appraisal of "their intentions/wishes" is correct, and you are a
> friend, would not it be appropriate to inform them they have failed?
With all due respect, I wouldn't be surprised if your posts were used
as the calibration standard, "John".
ac6xg
(actual callsign)
John Smith
> ...
> With all due respect, I wouldn't be surprised if your posts were used
> as the calibration standard, "John".
>
> ac6xg
> (actual callsign)
>
Why Jim, and certainly with all due respect intended, I most willingly
accept that as your NSHPO! (Yanno, that acronym is growing on me--at
first I wasn't so taken with it!) ;-)
Regards,
JS
Cecil Moore
> Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
> understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
> operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
> 97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
> 47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......
I fail to see how "never adjusting his input power to more
than the legal 1KW limit" violated 97.313.
Jim Kelley
Like you, I'm just an observer in all this, but it appears that Phil
Kane (the gentleman to whom "Mr. Smith" was lecturing) must have been
referring to the practice of using a 5 KW amp at its rated output on
the ham bands as being unlawful. You probably remember Phil from
r.r.a.p. He made his living as a practicing communications attorney
IIRC.
ac6xg
John Smith
>> 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com
>
> Like you, I'm just an observer in all this, but it appears that Phil
> Kane (the gentleman to whom "Mr. Smith" was lecturing) must have been
> referring to the practice of using a 5 KW amp at its rated output on
> the ham bands as being unlawful. You probably remember Phil from
> r.r.a.p. He made his living as a practicing communications attorney
> IIRC.
>
> ac6xg
Jim, I can possibly help clarify the situation, at this point.
The "gentleman" who took, apparently/NSHPO, responsibility for the
censorship was Paul Schleck/K3FU (none other than a major player in the
arrl wannabe political league) ... and, in my NSHPO, was stepping up to
assist a friend (aiding an accomplice would just be too harsh of
language) ...
Regards,
JS
Jim Kelley
> The "gentleman" who took, apparently/NSHPO, responsibility for the
> censorship was Paul Schleck/K3FU (none other than a major player in the
> arrl wannabe political league) ... and, in my NSHPO, was stepping up to
> assist a friend (aiding an accomplice would just be too harsh of
> language) ...
You bet.
But here's what I really need to know: how can I turn on a message
filter in google groups? That would really help a lot.
ac6xg
(actual callsign)
John Smith
> ...
> You bet.
>
> But here's what I really need to know: how can I turn on a message
> filter in google groups? That would really help a lot.
>
> ac6xg
> (actual callsign)
>
Well, I am not familiar with google groups; so, I posed the question to
my son, who in turn, posed the question to a friend ...
Short answer is: "NewsProxy", possibly used in conjunction with
"Hampster." (will give you "God-like powers on filtering.")
However, their long answer included the fact that it would be much
easier to set up a real newsreader through a free news server ...
Sorry, best I could do ... I really didn't really understand all they
were willing to explain ... you will excuse me for now wishing to ...
However, to the best of, even, their knowledge, there is "no easy way"
to do what you want.
Regards,
JS
John Smith
... you will excuse me for now wishing to ...
In the above, change now to not ... you probably already caught that ...
Regards,
JS
Clark Kent
Ought to be obvious: An HF radio can transmit on all parts of its design
bands. License class determines the legality (or not) of the band
segment(s) the licensee accesses. Most hams elect to be straight-shooters
in this regard. Power should be the same.
Dave Heil
You're too modest, "John". I've included a couple of your quotes for
balance.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From rec.radio.cb
Dec. 19, 2006
When I go shopping in walmart, I use maxon 49mhz headsets to communicate
with the wife. I use 5 watt cobra chicken band sets when camping.
I use a 1KW (1.5kw pep) rig for casual world chat.
5KW is just when I get serious ...
JS
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From rec.radio.cb
Dec. 20, 2006
Jim:
Whether you are impressed or not is no concern of mine. Trash CB'ers?
Naaa mate! My amateur equip covers the cb band quite nicely, don't mind
chatting up truckers at all!
I was just asking you all if you would be joining me on the ham freqs,
now that the CW requirement in the USA is being dropped ...
Regards,
JS
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From rec.radio.cb
May 26, 2005
If one is smart enough to call it an "amateur amplifier" don't they let it
be sold? Certainly every cb'er in the world is smart enough to know an
amateur linear can be used on 11 meters with very little modification...
Also, check out pages on russian linears, they have 3.5KW rigs which are
very affordable... a friend going/living in canada can possibly grab one
for you easily too... there are many ways around any roadblock they can
throw up--retired engineers routinely build linears in their garages for
"beer money."
Warmest regards,
John
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From rec.radio.cb
May 26, 2005
Here is a guy which can help you out, or you can at least get ideas from his
page...
A good 4KW to 5KW russian tube in a homebrew linear is just the ticket,
especially if you just "idle" the tube at a 3.5 KW input... last you a
lifetime and all the power you will ever need... someone should set up a
home business building them...
Warmest regards,
John
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From rec.radio.amateur.misc
May 25, 2005
I have a single russian tube (two tube in push-pull driving it--in the
amp) which is outputting approx. 4.5KW... can you imagine what the
transistor (mosfet) amp which could match it would look like--or cost!!!!
Warmest regards,
John
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm certain that you're honest as the day is long and would never
consider running illegal power.
Dave K8MN
John Smith
> ...
> Dave K8MN
Ohh Dave, I am a real dangerous scoundrel alright--you sure have me pegged!
Got a "toy car" with the old 454 engine, and a 3/4 race cam, and various
"mods", which can do 200+ mph ... I have only had it up to ~150mph on
the freeway--2, maybe 3 times ... seems I value my life too much, at
least these days, to really enjoy it as much as I had first thought.
Can't really enjoy 'em now that I can freely afford 'em, a shame, really
... (well, afford 'em without dipping into the kids college monies.)
"Toys" are that way ... can you imagine the cost of the ticket--if I'd
been caught? :-(
Someone like you just can't understand that, I'd imagine ...
But, look on the bright side, someday you can "replay" this post to me!
That would probably you a much bigger "jolt" than any of my "my
notorious exploits!" -- To each his own ...
Someday I'll tell 'ya about some of my "college exploits", but then,
that would probably bore you <smirk> ... really just did 'em to keep the
girls attention ... ;-)
ROFLOL!!!
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> Dave Heil wrote:
> ...
> Regards,
> JS
Oh, and those 49mhz rigs--I gave 'em away and went to some ~460 FRS by
Cobra--remember that corp. from the 70's? Used to manufacture CB equip?
The preformance on the high power freqs is amazing ... and the roger
beep works well. <grin>
Regards,
JS
John Smith
Yanno, I really regret this last post of mine, above, the XYL made me
throw it in ... after she read your post. :-(
Regards,
JS
Gene Fuller
Why stop at 97.313? Try 97.315 and 97.317 as well.
Unless "John Smith" has a "certificated for use in the amateur service"
5 kW amp (highly unlikely that one could find such a critter) or
"constructed or modified" the 5 kW amp then it is not legal for amateur
use at any power setting.
73,
Gene
W4SZ
Ed Cregger
"Gene Fuller" <W4SZz...@att.net> wrote in message
news:1B%jk.140722$102.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
No, friend Gene. It doesn't work that way.
You do not have to have type certification for legal operation in the
amateur bands. You only have to have it if you SELL new amateur equipment in
the USA.
Home made gear, or converted gear from other services, is completely legal
in the USA. Always has been, hopefully always will be.
CB gear must be type certified for selling and for usage.
Again, amateurs are responsible for their RF emissions. The FCC could care
less about the type of gear you are using. In fact, if brand new amateur
gear that was compliant to type acceptance malfunctions and issues an out of
spec emission, YOU as a duly licensed amateur radio operator are held
responsible. Not the manufacturer.
Ed, NM2K
Cecil Moore
> Unless "John Smith" has a "certificated for use in the amateur service"
> 5 kW amp (highly unlikely that one could find such a critter) or
> "constructed or modified" the 5 kW amp then it is not legal for amateur
> use at any power setting.
"Modifications" are trivially easy.
John Smith
> ...
> Why stop at 97.313? Try 97.315 and 97.317 as well.
>
> Unless "John Smith" has a "certificated for use in the amateur service"
> 5 kW amp (highly unlikely that one could find such a critter) or
> "constructed or modified" the 5 kW amp then it is not legal for amateur
> use at any power setting.
>
> 73,
> Gene
> W4SZ
Gene:
Skeptical, confused ...
Perhaps I can help with this link:
http://www.assemblywizard.fr33webhost.com/
Those 8 x QB4/1100GA "JUGS" at ~5.6KV @ 1.6 AMPS, 200 Watts DRIVE,
OUTPUT = ~5KW
That is not max output, the amp could have an increase in PV and Drive
to a theortical max output of ~7KW ...
I have tapped down on the PV, drive and even the current to the
filaments which are at about 85-90% of specs ... this amp is not in
everyday use--but then, you already knew that.
My son now has the 5KW "factory made" russian amp I used to keep. At a
later date I may have him take some .jpg pictures and send them to me to
load up to the URL ...
Now, off to the doctor ...
Regards,
JS
Jim Lux
> Gene Fuller wrote:
>> Unless "John Smith" has a "certificated for use in the amateur
>> service" 5 kW amp (highly unlikely that one could find such a critter)
>> or "constructed or modified" the 5 kW amp then it is not legal for
>> amateur use at any power setting.
>
> "Modifications" are trivially easy.
Like..
The front panel has been modified to add a placard indicating that
operation at more than XXX plate current is not permitted when operating
in amateur bands.
And that whole "offered for sale" kind of thing is a huge regulatory
morass, with a lot of "guidance" from local FCC officials on what might
or might not prompt more attention. It's one thing to have an obscure
ham oriented website and sell widgets obviously intended only for hams..
another to have a big online-store and sell obviously commercial
products with a "wink, wink" disclaimer about only selling to hams, when
in actuality, anyone with a credit card can get it.
The FCC enforcement logs are full of things like folks are selling
"experimenter" video transmitters, but doing no substantive validation
of the buyer. Ditto the stores selling various and sundry CB equipment.
Jim Lux
> Gene Fuller wrote:
>> Unless "John Smith" has a "certificated for use in the amateur
>> service" 5 kW amp (highly unlikely that one could find such a critter)
>> or "constructed or modified" the 5 kW amp then it is not legal for
>> amateur use at any power setting.
>
> "Modifications" are trivially easy.
Like..
John Smith
>> ... It's one thing to have an obscure
> another to have a big online-store and sell obviously commercial
> products with a "wink, wink" disclaimer about only selling to hams, when
> in actuality, anyone with a credit card can get it.
>
> The FCC enforcement logs are full of things like folks are selling
> "experimenter" video transmitters, but doing no substantive validation
> of the buyer. Ditto the stores selling various and sundry CB equipment.
You forgot to mention purchasing it from outside our borders, perhaps
Russia, for example.
You forgot purchasing the parts and constructing it yourself, again,
Russian parts/plans are the cheapest ... (my city has the furtherest
inland seaport, yanno ...)
Now, what am I forgetting?
Really, I have a doctors appt. at 11 am ... gotta go ... bbl
Regards,
JS
Gene Fuller
Ed,
Sorry you have such a problem with basic literacy.
I stand by exactly what I said.
An unmodified manufactured amp that is not "certificated" is not legal
for use in the US Amateur Service, regardless of where it was
manufactured. A constructed or modified amp is potentially legal if
operated within the output power rules.
Did you read something else?
73,
Gene
W4SZ
Bruce in alaska
<cfcafb59-bf8b-4a1b...@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com>,
Jim Kelley <jimkel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Phil Kane is a reTired FCC Attorney, that worked out of one of the
California Field Offices.
--
Bruce in alaska
add <path> after <fast> to reply
Bruce in alaska
<Rb2kk.276170$SV4.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Gene Fuller <W4SZz...@att.net> wrote:
Gene, It would depend on who you purchased your AMP from, and if it was
NEW at the time of purchase. If it was not "NEW" at the time of your
purchase, and you purchased it from another HAM, or another Ham owned it
at some previous time, then it is waived under 47CFRPart97.315(b)4,& 5,
and if you Modify your "NEW" Purchase, by drilling a hole somewhere in
the AMP, to add it to YOUR Station (Modification) they it is waived under
47CFR97.315(b)3(ii), as long as you don't "Modify" more than one AMP
per year, for your personal use. (47CFRPart97.315(a).
Gene Fuller
>
> Gene, It would depend on who you purchased your AMP from, and if it was
> NEW at the time of purchase. If it was not "NEW" at the time of your
> purchase, and you purchased it from another HAM, or another Ham owned it
> at some previous time, then it is waived under 47CFRPart97.315(b)4,& 5,
> and if you Modify your "NEW" Purchase, by drilling a hole somewhere in
> the AMP, to add it to YOUR Station (Modification) they it is waived under
> 47CFR97.315(b)3(ii), as long as you don't "Modify" more than one AMP
> per year, for your personal use. (47CFRPart97.315(a).
>
Bruce,
Yes, I understand that.
My initial comment was directed at the growing theme in the messages,
not specifically expressed by you, that amateurs could legally use *any*
transmitter as long as output power rules were not violated.
It ain't necessarily so.
73,
Gene
W4SZ
Jim Lux
> Sorry you have such a problem with basic literacy.
>
> I stand by exactly what I said.
>
> An unmodified manufactured amp that is not "certificated" is not legal
> for use in the US Amateur Service, regardless of where it was
> manufactured. A constructed or modified amp is potentially legal if
> operated within the output power rules.
>
> Did you read something else?
>
There might be some wiggle room here... the relevant regulation:
97.315(a) Any external RF power amplifier (see § 2.815 of the FCC Rules)
manufactured or imported for use at an amateur radio station must be
certificated for use in the amateur service in accordance with subpart J
of part 2 of the FCC Rules. No amplifier capable of operation below 144
MHz may be constructed or modified by a non-amateur service licensee
without a grant of certification from the FCC.
OK.. parse it out..
"manufactured or imported for use at an amateur radio station" must
This means that it only applies for amplifiers intended for use at an
amateur station. If one manufactured an amplifier for use, say, in a RF
induction heating system, one wouldn't need to be certificated for that
use. (one might need certification for other reasons...) See, e.g.,
http://www.manitousys.com/media/pb3_manual.pdf.. They have a photo of
the back panel, and I don't see a FCC registration number there. (nor
does manitou show up in the FCC databases for authorization or grantee)
But, it's pretty clear that if that amp has a switch on the front
labeled, for instance, "80m band", then it has to be certificated for
use in amateur service.
(and, it's mighty tough to get a "certification for amateur service" if
it can do other things.
If one went to Amplifier Research (http://www.amplifiers.com/, for
instance, one could buy a general purpose RF amplifier. That wouldn't be
"manufactured or imported for use at an amateur station" so it wouldn't
need to be "certificated foruse in the amateur service".
here's a nice little room heater for you
http://www.arww-rfmicro.com/post/2500L.pdf
Dave
"Jim Lux" <james...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote in message
news:g6qer8$a8o$1...@news.jpl.nasa.gov...
want something to warm up your car... check out these little gems.
http://www.davemade.com/mobile.htm
John Smith
>> ... A constructed or modified amp is potentially legal if
>
> Did you read something else?
>
> 73,
> Gene
> W4SZ
Hmmm, a mod ...
I wonder; would re-painting the case hot-pink qualify? Custom knobs?
Installing a larger muffin fan? ...
LOL
Regards,
JS
Roy Lewallen
>
> want something to warm up your car... check out these little gems.
> http://www.davemade.com/mobile.htm
This guy's name, address, and telephone number are listed in the web
registration database. All this fuss about what's legal and what isn't
is purely academic considering the total lack of enforcement. The FCC is
much too busy trying to bust the broadcasters for a few milliseconds of
boob to bother with this sort of thing.
Roy Lewallen, W7EL
Jim Lux
A small nit.. "any transmitter" is allowed.. the rules in 97.315 apply
ONLY to external RF power amplifiers, and the class of "forbidden
amplifiers" is actually quite small (a subset of those intended for use
at an amateur station)
And this is in keeping with the concept in the regulation of Amateur
radio: allowing basically everything and exclude a small fraction; which
is different than the whole rest of radio, where it's: exclude most
things, and allow only specific things.
Jim Lux
In the Matter of )
) File No.: EB-06-PO-169
Michael T. Kersnowski )
d/b/a RadioActive Radio ) Citation No.: C20073292003
)
Salem, Oregon 97302 )
)
Ed Cregger
----------------
Anyone can own any piece of radio gear legally. Restrictions are on sales
and usage.
So, while it is not unlawful to own a 10kw AM transmitter, even by a CB
operator, or someone that doesn't operate radio at all, it IS
illegal/unlawful for a business to sell new equipment to those without legal
qualifications.
What about salvaged/junk transmitters? I don't know.
Much has changed over the years, but "presumed innocent until proven guilty"
still carries a little weight here and there.
Ed Cregger
Ed Cregger
---------------
And my point is that ANY amplifier is legal, as long as it is operated
within the limits specified by the FCC for the particular amateur band and
license class of the operator. No type acceptance is necessary at all. Am I
missing something Gene?
Bear with me, please. I'm on a lot of medication these days and I make
mistakes occasionally. Thank you.
Ed Cregger
John Smith
> ...
> Bear with me, please. I'm on a lot of medication these days and I make
> mistakes occasionally. Thank you.
>
> Ed Cregger
>
>
Ed:
At least you have an excuse ...
How do you think us guys who aren't taking anything feel when we don't
have anything to blame it on? :-(
(well, there is always alzheimers' ... :-) )
Regards,
JS
Gene Fuller
> Gene Fuller wrote:
>>
>> My initial comment was directed at the growing theme in the messages,
>> not specifically expressed by you, that amateurs could legally use
>> *any* transmitter as long as output power rules were not violated.
>>
>> It ain't necessarily so.
>
> A small nit.. "any transmitter" is allowed.. the rules in 97.315 apply
> ONLY to external RF power amplifiers, and the class of "forbidden
> amplifiers" is actually quite small (a subset of those intended for use
> at an amateur station)
Guilty as charged!
I was careless to say "transmitter".
Gene Fuller
>
> And my point is that ANY amplifier is legal, as long as it is operated
> within the limits specified by the FCC for the particular amateur band and
> license class of the operator. No type acceptance is necessary at all. Am I
> missing something Gene?
Ed,
I don't think that is correct. I don't believe it is legal to use an
unmodified DaveMade or other such beast in amateur service, at any power
level. I think that is the point of 97.315. It is about more than just
"operation" within the rules.
I realize there are a million ways to get around any potential
limitations resulting from these loosely worded and rarely enforced
regulations. However, if for some reason the FCC wanted to go after
someone I doubt that amateur "modifications" such as adding a placard or
drilling a hole would carry much weight.
73,
Gene
W4SZ
Ed Cregger
------------
Now I see the point that you were making. Thanks for your patience.
Ed, NM2K
gwatts
> Ed Cregger wrote:
>
>>
>> And my point is that ANY amplifier is legal, as long as it is operated
>> within the limits specified by the FCC for the particular amateur band
>> and license class of the operator. No type acceptance is necessary at
>> all. Am I missing something Gene?
>
>
> Ed,
>
> I don't think that is correct. I don't believe it is legal to use an
> unmodified DaveMade or other such beast in amateur service, at any power
> level. I think that is the point of 97.315.
We should all read 97.315 *in it's entirety*, and consider 97.315(b)(3),
(b) The requirement of paragraph (a) does not apply if one or more
of the following conditions are met:
(1) ...
(2) ...
(3) The amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator or to a dealer,
the amplifier is purchased in used condition by a dealer,
or *the amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator for use at that
operator's station*.
This (the emphasized) says to me that as an amateur licensee I can use
any amplifier as long as I observe amateur emission regulations.
Respectfully,
Galen, W8LNA
All of 97.315:
[Revised as of October 1, 2007]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 47CFR97.315]
Sec. 97.315 Certification of external RF power amplifiers.
(a) Any external RF power amplifier (see Sec. 2.815 of the FCC
Rules) manufactured or imported for use at an amateur radio station must
be certificated for use in the amateur service in accordance with
subpart J of part 2 of the FCC Rules. No amplifier capable of operation
below 144 MHz may be constructed or modified by a non-amateur service
licensee without a grant of certification from the FCC.
(b) The requirement of paragraph (a) does not apply if one or more
of the following conditions are met:
(1) The amplifier is constructed or modified by an amateur radio
operator for use at an amateur station.
(2) The amplifier was manufactured before April 28, 1978, and has
been issued a marketing waiver by the FCC, or the amplifier was
purchased before April 28, 1978, by an amateur radio operator for use at
that operator's station.
(3) The amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator or to a
dealer, the amplifier is purchased in used condition by a dealer, or the
amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator for use at that
operator's station.
(c) Any external RF power amplifier appearing in the Commission's
database as certificated for use in the amateur service may be marketed
for use in the amateur service.
John Smith
> Gene Fuller wrote:
>> Ed Cregger wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> And my point is that ANY amplifier is legal, as long as it is
>>> operated within the limits specified by the FCC for the particular
>>> amateur band and license class of the operator. No type acceptance is
>>> necessary at all. Am I missing something Gene?
>>
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> I don't think that is correct. I don't believe it is legal to use an
>> unmodified DaveMade or other such beast in amateur service, at any
>> power level. I think that is the point of 97.315.
>
>
> We should all read 97.315 *in it's entirety*, and consider 97.315(b)(3),
>
> (b) The requirement of paragraph (a) does not apply if one or more
> of the following conditions are met:
> (1) ...
> (2) ...
> (3) The amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator or to a dealer,
> the amplifier is purchased in used condition by a dealer,
> or *the amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator for use at that
> operator's station*.
>
>
> This (the emphasized) says to me that as an amateur licensee I can use
> any amplifier as long as I observe amateur emission regulations.
>
> Respectfully,
> Galen, W8LNA
Common sense would dictate (but then, as you already know, that is rare
to find), if the amp was stable, harmonics suppressed to specs, etc. --
use it. (i.e., emission standards obeyed.)
DISCLAIMER:
Great care should be taken with any "broadband amp", as any "flaw" in
the xmitters output is only amplified, linearly/proportionally, to the
amps' gain, in the amps output!
ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER:
BEWARE OF ATTORNEYS/LAWYERS and "HAREBRAINED BUREAUCRATS!"
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> ...
> ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER:
> BEWARE OF ATTORNEYS/LAWYERS and "HAREBRAINED BUREAUCRATS!"
>
> Regards,
> JS
Thinking about the above, for a bit:
ADDITION TO THE ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER:
If you should ever find a "HAREBRANED BUREAUCRATIC
ATTORNEY/LAWYER"--RUN! <chuckle>
Regards,
JS
Gene Fuller
OK, I think I got it now. The only things no longer allowed are:
1) Stealing an amp rather than buying it.
2) Direct sales from a manufacturer or importer to anyone other than an
amateur or a dealer.
The dealer loophole means that 97.315 is a total waste of ink and paper.
73,
Gene
W4SZ
John Smith
> ...
> OK, I think I got it now. The only things no longer allowed are:
>
> 1) Stealing an amp rather than buying it.
>
> 2) Direct sales from a manufacturer or importer to anyone other than an
> amateur or a dealer.
>
> The dealer loophole means that 97.315 is a total waste of ink and paper.
>
> 73,
> Gene
> W4SZ
>
Now, while I think No. 1, "Stealing an amp rather than buying it", is,
quite obviously, illegal, why in the world should one be required to be
an amateur to purchase ANY, SPECIFIC, piece/module/system of electronic
equipment??? There 'ya go, that "want for common sense" crops up once
again!
Could you, EXACTLY, explain the logic in that to me? I am waiting ...
(or, No. 2, above)
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> ...
> Now, while I think No. 1, "Stealing an amp rather than buying it", is,
> quite obviously, illegal, why in the world should one be required to be
> an amateur to purchase ANY, SPECIFIC, piece/module/system of electronic
> equipment??? There 'ya go, that "want for common sense" crops up once
> again!
>
> Could you, EXACTLY, explain the logic in that to me? I am waiting ...
> (or, No. 2, above)
>
> Regards,
> JS
Well, hold on, just got in from a road trip to Sacto, CA, have had time
to "cool down."
I will exclude any mechanical/electrical/electronic/esoteric/etc.,
strategic/military/etc. equipment of importance from that question ...
amateur equipment is FREE of those restrictions, IMHO ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
And, between:
mechanical/electrical/electronic/esoteric/etc.
and:
strategic/military/etc.
put an "of"
Geesh, I am getting old ... but the "spirit" ain't (or is that isn't)
getting tired, yet!
Regards,
JS
Gene Fuller
I have never made any comment about what "should" be the law.
What appears is that 97.315 is now totally useless for any purpose. It
is no longer necessary for any manufacturer or importer to get a
certification for external RF amps as long as they sell such items only
to amateurs (OK) or "dealers". I don't know if the FCC defines the term
"dealer" or if there are any restrictions on what "dealers" may sell.
This section of the law was originally intended to minimize the number
of high powered amps available for CB use. It now appears that the only
requirement for legal sale of such amps is that they pass through a
"dealer". Usage is another question, but how many multi-kW CBers would
worry about that?
73,
Gene
W4SZ
John Smith
> ...
> I have never made any comment about what "should" be the law.
>
> What appears is that 97.315 is now totally useless for any purpose. It
> is no longer necessary for any manufacturer or importer to get a
> certification for external RF amps as long as they sell such items only
> to amateurs (OK) or "dealers". I don't know if the FCC defines the term
> "dealer" or if there are any restrictions on what "dealers" may sell.
>
> This section of the law was originally intended to minimize the number
> of high powered amps available for CB use. It now appears that the only
> requirement for legal sale of such amps is that they pass through a
> "dealer". Usage is another question, but how many multi-kW CBers would
> worry about that?
>
> 73,
> Gene
> W4SZ
Gene;
Perhaps I have "had a bad day." Or, perhaps I was "too quick." Or,
perhaps my understanding was lacking, etc. ...
Well, I certainly see no reason that a CB'er exceeding 5w is NOT in
violation of the law.
But to your question, "... how many multi-kW CBers would worry about that?"
My answer:
Every damn one that is breaking that law! Either pay the fines, do the
time, or change that law! (or, "we" change it.)
I stand corrected, I did not have the "beef" with you, it seems, I had
imagined ... I crawl back to my hole ... I stand corrected ... please
accept my apologies.
Warm regards,
JS
Dave
rules to limit non-amateur use of transmitters and amps should be other
places anyway so its probably just as well that part 97 doesn't really limit
what a ham can use. we are, after all, the ones who have to pass the
technical exams and follow relatively technical rules. So we should be able
to use whatever we can operate within our allocated frequencies, modes and
powers. As opposed to fixed channel, power limited, appliances that are the
legal radios for other services.
John Smith
> Gene;
>
> Perhaps I have "had a bad day." Or, perhaps I was "too quick." Or,
> perhaps my understanding was lacking, etc. ...
>
> Well, I certainly see no reason that a CB'er exceeding 5w is NOT in
> violation of the law.
>
> But to your question, "... how many multi-kW CBers would worry about
> that?"
>
> My answer:
>
> Every damn one that is breaking that law! Either pay the fines, do the
> time, or change that law! (or, "we" change it.)
>
> I stand corrected, I did not have the "beef" with you, it seems, I had
> imagined ... I crawl back to my hole ... I stand corrected ... please
> accept my apologies.
>
> Warm regards,
> JS
Uhhh, perhaps with some explanation ... darn that thinking ... although
I used to be an Alter Boy, it didn't take ... :-(
I did drive truck, decades ago ... I have exceeded power levels/freqs
(dates, freqs, power-levels and times withheld to protect "the innocent"
...)
What can I say?; some occupations come with "liabilities" ... ;-)
Regards,
JS
JosephKK
wrote:
>
>> If you ever think about posting to the moderated group, don't ...
>>
>> Here is an example of a censored post, of mine:
>>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97. Please strike
>> reference on any resubmit. - K3FU
>>
>
>
> I'm pretty sure a ham CAN use a 5KW PA, as long as he limits the power
>out to the maximum allowed under our FCC rules. Its not the hardware
>that is not permited, its the actual power out that counts.
>
> Ed K7AAT
The relevant language in part 97 is that the available power to the
final amplifier stage must not exceed 1 kW for armature use. Other
jurisdictions have their own rules.
JosephKK
wrote:
>In article <E%Ejk.16657$mh5....@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> Cecil Moore <nos...@w5dxp.com> wrote:
>
>> John Smith quoted someone:
>> > "A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97."
>>
>> Back in the 60's, a ham friend of mine ran a
>> surplus AM transmitter capable of 10KW output.
>> However, he never adjusted his input power to
>> more than the legal 1KW limit.
>
>Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
>understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
>operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
>97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
>47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......
For all you disinterested parties
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2007/octqtr/47cfr90.313.htm
[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 47, Volume 5]
[Revised as of October 1, 2007]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 47CFR90.313]
[Page 390]
TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION
CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION (CONTINUED)
PART 90_PRIVATE LAND MOBILE RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents
Subpart L_Authorization in the Band 470 512 MHz (UHF-TV Sharing)
Sec. 90.313 Frequency loading criteria.
(a) Except as provided for in paragraph (b) of this section, the
maximum channel loading on frequencies in the 470-512 MHz band is as
follows:
(1) 50 units for systems eligible in the Public Safety Pool (see
Sec. 90.20(a)).
(2) 90 units for systems eligible in the Industrial/Business Pool
(see Sec. 90.35(a)).
(b) If a licensee has exclusive use of a frequency, then the
loading
standards in paragraph (a) of this section, may be exceeded. If it is
a
shared channel, the loading standards can be exceeded upon submission
of
a signed statement by all those sharing the channel agreeing to the
increase.
(c) A unit is defined as a mobile transmitter-receiver. Loading
standards will be applied in terms of the number of units actually in
use or to be placed in use within 8 months following authorization. A
licensee will be required to show that an assigned frequency pair is
at
full capacity before it may be assigned a second or additional
frequency
pair. Channel capacity may be reached either by the requirements of a
single licensee or by several users sharing a channel. Until a channel
is loaded to capacity it will be available for assignment to other
users
in the same area. A frequency pair may be reassigned at distances 64
km.
(40 mi.), 32 km. (20 mi.) for Channel 15, Chicago; Channel 20,
Philadelphia; and Channel 17, Washington, or more from the location of
base stations authorized on that pair without reference to loading at
the point of original installation. Following authorization, the
licensee shall notify the Commission either during or at the close of
the 8 month period of the number of units in operation. In the
Industrial Radio Services, if the base station facility is to be used
by
more than a single licensee, the frequency assigned to it will not be
reassigned for use by another facility within 64 km. (40 mi.) or 32
km.
(20 mi.) where applicable for a period of 12 months, Provided, That
the
facility is constructed within 90 days from the date of the first
grant,
meets the loading standards to at least 50 percent within 9 months,
and
meets all loading standards within 12 months.
[43 FR 54791, Nov. 22, 1978, as amended at 47 FR 36649, Aug. 23, 1982;
62 FR 18933, Apr. 17, 1997]
JosephKK
wrote:
>Bruce in alaska wrote:
>> Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
>> understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
>> operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
>> 97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
>> 47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......
>
>I fail to see how "never adjusting his input power to more
>than the legal 1KW limit" violated 97.313.
Oh 97 instead of 90, see:
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2007/octqtr/47cfr97.313.htm
John Smith
> ...
> JS
>
Hey, the good ole' boys sent me another, unsolicited, email <YEA!> ;-)
I guess they expected me to post it here, as a follow-up; OK, I will:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
As a routine procedure, significant numbers of article rejections by a
given submitter are reviewed by our Appeals Board, and a determination
is made whether that individual requires administrative action. Such
actions could include warnings, suspensions, or in extreme cases such as
uncooperative repeat offenders, a permanent ban from our newsgroup.
Our Appeals Board has decided to assign a temporary suspension from the
rec.radio.amateur.moderated newsgroup for a period of 60 days from the
date of your last article rejection (July 29th, 2008). During this
time, your article submissions will be automatically rejected without
moderator review. We may also choose to report continued rejected
submissions to our newsgroup to your ISP as unsolicited, harassing,
communications with our team. Your suspension will be lifted on or
about September 27, 2008. We caution you to take our feedback under
consideration, and incorporate it into any future submissions after the
suspension is lifted.
Your rejected articles, and rejection reasons, are given below. We have
also considered a message that was sent to our administrative contact
address, also included below. Our recommendations to you going forward
include:
- There is no need to test the moderation system, or the moderators.
We are in positive control of the newsgroup, and are willing and able
to reject any articles that do not meet our charter and posting
guidelines. A couple of the articles that you have submitted, and
were rejected, were obviously rejectable by the standards of nearly
any moderated newsgroup, so we see no reason why they were submitted
except as a test or provocation.
- Our newsgroup is about amateur radio, not about off-topic discussions
of individual personalities, nor complaints or criticisms or
speculation about moderators and moderation decisions. To allow this
off-topic content would reduce our newsgroup to the state of some of
the presently-ruined and unusable unmoderated newsgroups (newsgroups
which we notice that you will not even post to anymore).
- The moderation team is willing to positively recognize acts of good
faith, and consider mitigating circumstances when evaluating
histories of article rejections. These include submitters making
recommended edits and resubmitting articles, as well as utilizing our
appeals process. The Appeals Board, a team of moderators separate
and independent from the team that reviews article submissions, is
always willing to fairly consider civilly-stated, original appeals
and complaints sent to our administrative contact E-mail address
(given below). We are not impressed or swayed by uncivil, bad-faith,
methods of complaint, including public ad-hominem attacks against the
moderation team in other forums, and E-mailed ASCII-art
representations of obscene hand gestures.
- We ask that any submitter to our newsgroup engage in some reasonable
amount of self-reflection as to the purpose and end-goals of their
participation. Are you truly engaging in honest, good-faith efforts
to convince others of your point-of-view, possibly to help make the
world (or our small part of it) a better place? Or is the newsgroup
merely a target of convenience for your abuse, anger, grudges,
prejudices, and attempts at retribution that would be socially
unacceptable, and punishable, elsewhere? Are you seeking to use
public forums such as ours for personal entertainment from "stirring
the pot" with obvious trolling and flame-baiting? Unmoderated
newsgroups may have to tolerate such behavior, but moderated
newsgroups such as ours do not. We will take decisive action to
protect our newsgroup for the benefit of those who do wish to
participate constructively, and not be insulted, harassed,
threatened, or otherwise abused by individuals who are apparently not
interested in constructive participation.
We do sincerely hope that after the suspension is lifted, you will have
either chosen to break bad habits by leaving the newsgroup permanently,
or be able to moderate your habit and participate productively in
on-line forums such as ours. If not, the next likely action of ours
will be either a much longer suspension, or possibly even a permanent
ban.
- --
rec.radio.amateur.moderated Admin
rec-radio-amateur...@panix.com
>From ne...@alpha826.server4you.de Sat Mar 17 01:23:00 2007
> >Return-Path: <ne...@alpha826.server4you.de>
> >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on
> > mailcrunch3.panix.com
> >X-Spam-Level:
> >X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled
> > version=3.1.6
> >X-Original-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Delivered-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72])
> > by mailproc1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544DF2490D6
> > for <rr...@panix.com>; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:58:18 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: by mail1.panix.com (Postfix)
> > id 64D2358836; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:58:18 -0400 (EDT)
> >Delivered-To: rec-radio-ama...@panix.com
> >Received: from pinatubo.switch.ch (pinatubo-2.switch.ch [130.59.1.10])
> > by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236645881F
> > for <rec-radio-ama...@panix.com>; Sat, 17 Mar 2007
00:58:18 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: from [85.25.133.70] (helo=alpha826.server4you.de)
> > by pinatubo.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.50)
> > id 1HSQzh-0000s4-Kb
> > for rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org; Sat, 17 Mar
2007 05:58:17 +0100
> >Received: from news by alpha826.server4you.de with local (Exim 4.50)
> > id 1HSQzh-0006Bs-13
> > for rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org; Sat, 17 Mar
2007 05:58:17 +0100
> >To: rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org
> >Path: news.albasani.net!not-for-mail
> >From: John Smith I <assembl...@gmail.com>
> >Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated
> >Subject: Re: Extension of PSK segment
> >Organization: albasani.net
> >Message-ID: <etfsh5$n7i$1...@news.albasani.net>
> >References: <et6e82$mfa$1...@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>
<1173844574.0...@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
<et9i5s$pqm$1...@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>
<1173911033.7...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
<etc3nq$rvk$1...@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>
<1174002199.4...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
<etcq96$vcd$1...@nnrp.linuxfan.it> <ete4q6$ome$1...@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>
> >Mime-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >X-Trace: news.albasani.net
Hn0yvoYH4GZ3jeTsND6KL36Wpv7+4TRY7XL1UI+8Dk4frAhB+IkcczbCUj3ILA72ViqQX9NPwJKBakxsb/K7AGLns+EfAIGYF0T4FrA5nVyyVbs5942gHzanj9iDsfCE
> >X-Complaints-To: ab...@albasani.net
> >NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 04:58:17 +0000 (UTC)
> >X-User-ID: LRzeZYMYAf+ouxpN5zsxz19663McN+TxsBdyj2+8RH4=
> >User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207)
> >X-NNTP-Posting-Host:
zVVpnzvSzEDe38OrYiNOoGMlAuaA0ybZIe1q/SY80IsesmeRBDySyNDEc/09G4+6I6WxnPj9BgZlnqMHdA6pZg==
> >X-Virus-Status: No
> >Status: OR
> >
> >Michael Coslo wrote:
>> >> John Smith I wrote:
>>> >>> N2...@AOL.COM wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > ...
>>>> >>>> "The market" spoke very clearly, in the form of comments
>>>> >>>> to FCC. The CTT proposal was overwhelmingly
>>>> >>>> opposed. About 7 out of 8 comments on it clearly said NO.
>>>> >>>> Sounds like a clear message from the market to me!
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> 73 de Jim, N2EY
>>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> However, if a new market comes forth, one composed of amateurs
with
>>> >>> little or no knowledge of CW and only using digital voice and
digital
>>> >>> data transmission--it would be market controlled also, and one
would
>>> >>> suspect it would self-correct and frown on the use of the bands
for
>>> >>> wasteful analog and cw communications.
>> >>
>> >> I would disagree. Those modes are not wasteful. On the other
hand, a
>> >> vision of using the HF bands for data transmission would indeed
be a way
>> >> of filling up our bands pretty quickly, and for not a lot of
gain. If
>> >> I'm interested in Data Transmission, I would design a system for
>> >> frequencies where there is less natural noise - VHF and up. Then
>> >> bandwidth issues would be less of a problem too.
>> >>
>> >>
>>> >>> Let's face it, digital voice is the only way to go.
>> >>
>> >> I would disagree. What I have seen in digital voice so far
offers no
>> >> particular advantage over SSB, unless we are talking about
digital for
>> >> it's own sake. Most schemes that I have seen have some fatal
flaws, such
>> >> as the received transmission must be received in toto - IOW if
you don't
>> >> catch the beginning, you don't catch anything. The solution to that
>> >> would be channelizing HF, or assigning specific frequencies to
Digital
>> >> voice. In addition, unless there have been some big advances
recently,
>> >> Digital voice does not have any particular bandwidth advantages.
>> >>
>> >> Give me a Digital voice mode that I can tune across the band and
pick up
>> >> a conversation at any point in the transmission, and a 1 KHz or less
>> >> bandwidth signal, and then I'll be interested. And of course,
I'll need
>> >> to see that some other folks are buying the digital radios too,
so I'll
>> >> have people to talk to.
>> >>
>> >> > PSK is too slow for
>> >> > data transmission of LARGE and multi-megabyte amounts of data,
end of
>> >> > story.
>> >>
>> >> As for PSK, you are correct that it is too slow for data
>> >> transmission. But that little 31 baud signal was never intended
for Data
>> >> transmission. It was intended for correctable text at a rate that a
>> >> reasonably proficient typist could tap away at the keyboard in real
>> >> time. Also a mode that can be efficiently operated at QRP and lover
>> >> levels. And for that, it is an excellent mode.
>> >>
>> >> - 73 de Mike KB3EIA -
>> >>
> >
> >Really?
> >
> >I see many QSO's taking place on ONE FREQ. The packets would contain a
> >crc number AND a serial no. denoting the conversation they pertain too,
> >as well as a no. indicating their logical place in decoding ...
> >
> >Presently, only one QSO can take place on a single freq ...
> >
> >NO, wasteful is MOST ACCURATE, only the ignorant need respond without
> >fully educating themselves ...
> >
> >JS
> >
> >===========================================================
> >Reason: rewrite: "ignorant" is a little... borderline. Could you
reword that. Thanks. VK2CJC.
>From ne...@alpha826.server4you.de Fri Mar 16 14:28:15 2007
> >Return-Path: <ne...@alpha826.server4you.de>
> >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on
> > mailcrunch2.panix.com
> >X-Spam-Level:
> >X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled
> > version=3.1.6
> >X-Original-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Delivered-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73])
> > by mailproc1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C7A7EDCB
> > for <rr...@panix.com>; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:46:44 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: by mail2.panix.com (Postfix)
> > id BF37BCACF1; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:46:44 -0400 (EDT)
> >Delivered-To: rec-radio-ama...@panix.com
> >Received: from pinatubo.switch.ch (pinatubo-2.switch.ch [130.59.1.10])
> > by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BACCACED
> > for <rec-radio-ama...@panix.com>; Fri, 16 Mar 2007
13:46:44 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: from [85.25.133.70] (helo=alpha826.server4you.de)
> > by pinatubo.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.50)
> > id 1HSGVX-00032D-NB
> > for rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org; Fri, 16 Mar
2007 18:46:27 +0100
> >Received: from news by alpha826.server4you.de with local (Exim 4.50)
> > id 1HSGVW-0004jR-Ed
> > for rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org; Fri, 16 Mar
2007 18:46:26 +0100
> >To: rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org
> >Path: news.albasani.net!not-for-mail
> >From: John Smith I <assembl...@gmail.com>
> >Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated
> >Subject: Re: PRB-1 and CCNR's
> >Organization: albasani.net
> >Message-ID: <etel5f$hbv$1...@news.albasani.net>
> >References: <1173494973....@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>
<KTyIh.2893$uo3....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>
<1174064484....@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
<bkAKh.9112$FG1....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>
> >Mime-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >X-Trace: news.albasani.net
B1trX12ebOQbBbwPbv1Z6qFJ3cPnNdnAgGPk3uzrKJKS8GjZA+I9+9bN9Rxdd9Gis/+O2yfjx9JJYFIpArUPQte8I5QRvASxNnz511Ey1hMDEkFLWpPGfLBD83EZDrQh
> >X-Complaints-To: ab...@albasani.net
> >NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:46:26 +0000 (UTC)
> >X-User-ID: PeiIQ0s50Kx8tUQkoOLa99SPpx/E3fvPrifN3rd2FAk=
> >User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207)
> >X-NNTP-Posting-Host:
IfhgqsQb65afI8fKmDSv/K5Upt00pCx+WNDaMFgyNEZNn/53YIvAvSaUpgtGbwvatWt/En/vPOlUetJkKmCGnA==
> >X-Virus-Status: No
> >Status: OR
> >
> >Cecil Moore wrote:
> >
>> > > ...
>> >> Legally, it is not a contract unless you agree to it.
>> >> What would happen if you simply crossed out the antenna
>> >> restrictions clause before signing the contract?
>> >> --
>> >> 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
>> >>
> >
> >Wouldn't ya' rather stab the person who drafted it with a pen?
<evil grin>
> >
> >Regards,
> >JS
> >
> >===========================================================
> >Reason: rewrite: Borderline inappropriate (advocacy of violence,
even if joking, and not much more). - K3FU
>From use...@linuxfan.it Sun Apr 8 11:12:23 2007
> >Return-Path: <use...@linuxfan.it>
> >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on
> > mailcrunch2.panix.com
> >X-Spam-Level:
> >X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled
> > version=3.1.6
> >X-Original-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Delivered-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73])
> > by mailproc1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B626C58C21
> > for <rr...@panix.com>; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:00:25 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: by mail2.panix.com (Postfix)
> > id F304CCA9CA; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:00:25 -0400 (EDT)
> >Delivered-To: rec-radio-ama...@panix.com
> >Received: from pinatubo.switch.ch (pinatubo-2.switch.ch [130.59.1.10])
> > by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B522DCA98F
> > for <rec-radio-ama...@panix.com>; Sun, 8 Apr 2007
11:00:11 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: from [2001:4c90:2::6] (helo=pegasus.linuxfan.it)
> > by pinatubo.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.50)
> > id 1HaYsE-00006V-Bh
> > for rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org; Sun, 08 Apr
2007 17:00:10 +0200
> >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> > by pegasus.linuxfan.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13AE59B163
> > for <rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 8 Apr
2007 16:37:12 +0200 (CEST)
> >Received: from pegasus.linuxfan.it ([127.0.0.1])
> > by localhost (pegasus.linuxfan.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port
10024)
> > with ESMTP id 17385-06
> > for <rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org>;
> > Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:37:11 +0200 (CEST)
> >Received: by pegasus.linuxfan.it (Postfix, from userid 9)
> > id C579C9B162; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:37:11 +0200 (CEST)
> >To: rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org
> >Path: nnrp.linuxfan.it!not-for-mail
> >From: John Smith I <assembl...@gmail.com>
> >Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated
> >Subject: Re: QRO 2500DX MOD
> >Organization: linuxfan.it News Server
> >Message-ID: <evaumm$vna$2...@nnrp.linuxfan.it>
> >References: <eab17$461848df$4e0b13e$14...@DIALUPUSA.NET>
> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 66-81-63-226.nocal.dialup.o1.com
> >Mime-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >X-Trace: nnrp.linuxfan.it 1176043031 32490 66.81.63.226 (8 Apr 2007
14:37:11 GMT)
> >X-Complaints-To: ab...@linuxfan.it
> >NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 14:37:11 +0000 (UTC)
> >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.8.0.10) Gecko/20070221 Thunderbird/1.5.0.10 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0
> >X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at linuxfan.it
> >X-Virus-Status: No
> >Status: OR
> >
> >Dr.Ace wrote:
>> >> Does anyone know how to modify a QRO 2500DX amplifier to work on
the 10
>> >> meter band ?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks , Ace - WH2T
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> .
> >
> >
> >It should already cover 10:
> >
> >http://www.qrotec.com/spec25m3.html
> >
> >If it doesn't cover 11 meters, it probably has some type of "notch
> >filter" which needs removing ...
> >
> >--
> >JS
> >
> >*Enter a long URL to make tiny <http://tinyurl.com>:*
> >
> >===========================================================
> >Reason: unlawful:
>From ne...@alpha826.server4you.de Sun Aug 12 18:28:24 2007
> >Return-Path: <ne...@alpha826.server4you.de>
> >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on
> > mailcrunch1.panix.com
> >X-Spam-Level:
> >X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled
> > version=3.1.6
> >X-Original-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Delivered-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72])
> > by mailproc1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169C6844A20
> > for <rr...@panix.com>; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:28:22 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: by mail1.panix.com (Postfix)
> > id 105CE29409; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:28:22 -0400 (EDT)
> >Delivered-To: rec-radio-ama...@panix.com
> >Received: from moderators.individual.net (moderators.individual.net
[130.133.4.7])
> > by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31B529410
> > for <rec-radio-ama...@panix.com>; Sun, 12 Aug 2007
18:28:21 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: from alpha826.server4you.de ([85.25.133.70])
> > by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.67)
> > for rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org with esmtp
> > (envelope-from <ne...@alpha826.server4you.de>)
> > id <1IKLv3-0006Mr-C9>; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:28:21 +0200
> >Received: from news by alpha826.server4you.de with local (Exim 4.50)
> > id 1IKLv2-0004En-9N
> > for rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org; Mon, 13 Aug
2007 00:28:20 +0200
> >To: rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org
> >Path: news.albasani.net!not-for-mail
> >From: John Smith I <assembl...@gmail.com>
> >Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated
> >Subject: Re: Whatever Happened to the Electronics Hobbyist?
> >Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:28:19 -0700
> >Organization: albasani.net
> >Lines: 7
> >Message-ID: <f9o1i3$flh$1...@news.albasani.net>
> >References: <46b4d0e3$0$313$540e...@novia.net>
> >Mime-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >X-Trace: news.albasani.net
6R0GAHRZ37rTVcb4Zdg/BJNLUZpvaObmAfx/kgvSo+Fxw5cFwJ/RKY0eG+owwr5cW3LUlsQumBrfWPyS3JRAHM/3V+19ljdViBNKgNaInNGVFii3dL/JMr6O3baoB5An
> >X-Complaints-To: ab...@albasani.net
> >NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:28:20 +0000 (UTC)
> >X-User-ID: 5eazRs1kth+6JERPBlIDkHe7SsgGnLtRwGrP+nbG2os=
> >In-Reply-To: <46b4d0e3$0$313$540e...@novia.net>
> >Cancel-Lock: sha1:lntTa5iHIikEQBiq8/pRdv6ob2Y=
> >User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728)
> >X-NNTP-Posting-Host:
1Z/jLeDz1XZpzTV2cCV3yfEGVxWMW2KEQ8OtlylYzxGXMKTpux+Lt3Xdz10Ld4RoN66zEbT08PzcEEA08JFbQw==
> >X-Virus-Status: No
> >Status: OR
> >
> >Paul W. Schleck wrote:
> >
>> > > ...
> >
> >Paul Schlock moderated the projects they can build?
> >
> >JS
> >
> >===========================================================
> >Reason: harassing:
>From ne...@alpha826.server4you.de Sun Aug 12 20:32:21 2007
> >Return-Path: <ne...@alpha826.server4you.de>
> >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on
> > mailcrunch2.panix.com
> >X-Spam-Level:
> >X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled
> > version=3.1.6
> >X-Original-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Delivered-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73])
> > by mailproc1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F404732CA6
> > for <rr...@panix.com>; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:32:18 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: by mail2.panix.com (Postfix)
> > id 731A134812; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:32:18 -0400 (EDT)
> >Delivered-To: rec-radio-ama...@panix.com
> >Received: from moderators.individual.net (moderators.individual.net
[130.133.4.7])
> > by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB3A34811
> > for <rec-radio-ama...@panix.com>; Sun, 12 Aug 2007
20:32:18 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: from alpha826.server4you.de ([85.25.133.70])
> > by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.67)
> > for rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org with esmtp
> > (envelope-from <ne...@alpha826.server4you.de>)
> > id <1IKNqz-0000EC-Hj>; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:32:17 +0200
> >Received: from news by alpha826.server4you.de with local (Exim 4.50)
> > id 1IKNqy-0008Jo-38
> > for rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org; Mon, 13 Aug
2007 02:32:16 +0200
> >To: rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org
> >Path: news.albasani.net!not-for-mail
> >From: John Smith I <assembl...@gmail.com>
> >Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated
> >Subject: I think my messages will always be rejected, it has to do
with the
> > idiots attempting group mind control!
> >Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:32:12 -0700
> >Organization: albasani.net
> >Lines: 3
> >Message-ID: <f9o8qf$v1q$1...@news.albasani.net>
> >Mime-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >X-Trace: news.albasani.net
v+ZKh0D/9uyQy0NPzTlqMYBe6x9lMQmod2QtVtCl1B9+iDKGII8xb/rgSXZx3KZfW+aOJ2a0M4YctNcW0Ivxv+51JS3gUb/xp1S+j5NaafeBoiqJ9QjhIQEIchEK3Er8
> >X-Complaints-To: ab...@albasani.net
> >NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:32:16 +0000 (UTC)
> >X-User-ID: pWhBsOZsovrHGy5Up7W3gOs3YDOD/pMd8h68u/3bU68=
> >Cancel-Lock: sha1:h7j5L854BBEoymWL8ZW2Lvdtiho=
> >User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728)
> >X-NNTP-Posting-Host:
d5s0Zo9EaSTbb3hds4pEmWhStd4iAquEI515brVPBojaYcBmisOHtkITz2UH5H0dRF6bGGaWaPjAarWcK6Xw8Q==
> >X-Virus-Status: No
> >Status: OR
> >
> >DUH!!!
> >
> >JS
> >
> >===========================================================
> >Reason: rewrite: Ace - WH2T
>From assembl...@gmail.com Tue Jan 15 04:04:28 2008
> >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on
> > mailbackend.panix.com
> >X-Spam-Level:
> >X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled
> > version=3.2.3
> >Lines: 11
> >Return-Path: <assembl...@gmail.com>
> >X-Original-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Delivered-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72])
> > by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168FF1D8E6
> > for <rr...@panix.com>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:04:28 -0500 (EST)
> >Received: by mail1.panix.com (Postfix)
> > id E9EA329410; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:04:27 -0500 (EST)
> >Delivered-To: rec-radio-amateur...@panix.com
> >Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com
[209.85.146.180])
> > by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B626629406
> > for <rec-radio-amateur...@panix.com>; Tue, 15 Jan
2008 04:04:27 -0500 (EST)
> >Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m28so4319385wag.13
> > for <rec-radio-amateur...@panix.com>; Tue, 15
Jan 2008 01:04:27 -0800 (PST)
> >DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
> > d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
> >
h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding;
> > bh=uymkBtNCeeZu7vJ9vz6wHxdMWNEv7477P44woCi1njo=;
> >
b=w6di+FiaYfN2Y/iSxRzvBiE4Q0efS8Bj2tI2ZheVGX1JM8GnfX1Szqa/P6cLDZPx3sFYDUT52OIt1hZDwK4GxVdGZzbhC8WRYwNQzMl/Q70mGOpZNVMqhfFa5wg53nwDCF0W1QisrxZDOzxtHQ1CVpwnObu8VXstYgQCDeoE0XM=
> >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws;
> > d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
> >
h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding;
> >
b=siKmWoxdHGxLvXA0HsZc0mSsjp+VWiY54r6uGtde99ZJu3LikFwhOJz3mK5nBtJlBgQPM1AXWsotg/T0XVugBpZJAiw+OJxktGMDpsfGdNrF6Rsi2KL51r1Fr1Sq4Va/VEoyxqHbF9uldQ6Wl5Ko0wR2OfIBeKO9DTJFCIN051Y=
> >Received: by 10.115.92.2 with SMTP id u2mr1435582wal.139.1200387867246;
> > Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:04:27 -0800 (PST)
> >Received: from ?192.168.0.5? ( [66.233.18.167])
> > by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id
k39sm19210934wah.4.2008.01.15.01.04.25
> > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5);
> > Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:04:25 -0800 (PST)
> >Message-ID: <478C7711...@gmail.com>
> >Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:04:17 -0800
> >From: John Smith <assembl...@gmail.com>
> >User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031)
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
> >To: "rec.radio.amateur.moderated Admin"
<rec-radio-amateur...@panix.com>
> >Subject: Re: rec.radio.amateur.moderated Posting Guidelines
> >References:
<radio/ham-radio/moderated/guidelines-...@panix.com>
> >In-Reply-To:
<radio/ham-radio/moderated/guidelines-...@panix.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >X-Virus-Status: Unknown
> >
> > rec.radio.amateur.moderated Admin wrote:
> >
>> > > ...
> >
> > oOoo
> >
> > If you get my drift ...
> >
> > JS
> >
>From ne...@schnuerpel.eu Mon Jul 28 02:40:52 2008
> >Return-Path: <ne...@schnuerpel.eu>
> >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on
> > mailcrunch3.panix.com
> >X-Spam-Level:
> >X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled
> > version=3.2.3
> >X-Original-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Delivered-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73])
> > by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F76011619
> > for <rr...@panix.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:36:07 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: by mail2.panix.com (Postfix)
> > id 2D97F3480B; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:36:07 -0400 (EDT)
> >Delivered-To: rec-radio-ama...@panix.com
> >Received: from moderators.individual.net (moderators.individual.net
[130.133.4.7])
> > by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA5034807
> > for <rec-radio-ama...@panix.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008
23:36:06 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: from albasani.net ([78.46.73.112] helo=schnuerpel.eu)
> > by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.69)
> > for rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org with esmtp
> > (envelope-from <ne...@schnuerpel.eu>)
> > id <1KNJWo-0003qX-6e>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:36:06 +0200
> >Received: by schnuerpel.eu (Postfix, from userid 9)
> > id B6A333427E24; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:36:05 +0200 (CEST)
> >To: rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org
> >Path: news.albasani.net!not-for-mail
> >From: John Smith <assembl...@gmail.com>
> >Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated
> >Subject: Re: Another BPL?
> >Organization: albasani.net
> >Message-ID: <g6jer4$dt7$1...@news.albasani.net>
> >References: <6LWdnV779ZZlBRXV...@deskmedia.com>
<g6f0ci$m0g$1...@news.albasani.net>
<Xns9AE7D42637E7C...@216.196.97.136>
<d7e2966c-1f78-4b35...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
<Xns9AE8E340CD3AC...@216.196.97.136>
> >Mime-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >X-Trace: news.albasani.net
TtvjyJ2Z14LV9GkkUVJzpQtVm3Oj5NxsECxTtkyLClChFCjrGB6m5PIVx69u016Dlnqi5255NPXbDszBkuDj6Y/cmiNPqUHTb2HQElnjdAaWGloRDZZLEXh2nF8VnrlU
> >X-Complaints-To: ab...@albasani.net
> >NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:36:05 +0000 (UTC)
> >X-User-ID: 6T/IQeNveBbJO8svC0iyoT3FU1CsBrPAcFMSCJwbSKc=
> >Cancel-Lock: sha1:NJR+Wwj72pFASf9aEcoU5cJi7tU=
> >User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
> >X-NNTP-Posting-Host: D/sSSKgK16cnC6PfY+FOQxr1UIOj7dIPejlyuiHzTdY=
> >X-Virus-Status: No
> >
> >Mike Coslo wrote:
> >
> > ...
>> >> The idea that various unlicensed users can "overlay" on top of
>> >> licensed ones, and that the whole business of licensing and
regulation
>> >> can be relaxed, sounds pretty good at first.
> >
> > It only sounds good to those who believe in ideology based physics.
> >
> > ...
> > - 73 d eMike N3LI -
> >
> >
> >One mans' science is another mans' "magic", I guess ...
> >
> >Increasing the data which a band of freqs, or even bands of freqs, can
> >send/receive by 10x?, 100x?, 1000x? or ???x is not a good thing?
> >
> >The future is compressed data/voice/video/etc. packets--the present use
> >of the amateur bands stands in vivid contrast, when efficiency is
> >considered, to most all other forms of communications these days--this
> >condition will only worsen with time. (analog am/fm radio will, most
> >likely, fall within the next decade.)
> >
> >Certainly amateur radio will not be able to justify another decade of
> >its present "modes." And, certainly no more freqs will be granted
> >amateurs until the efficient use of the present bands is maximized
and a
> >real need demonstrated.
> >
> >Resistance is futile. -- The Borg.
> >
> >P.S. I hear they kill the bearer of bad news here ...
> >
> >Regards,
> >JS
> >
> >===========================================================
> >Reason: rewrite: While discussion of modern technology and future
concepts is very much encouraged, your borg quote and PS is bordering on
deliberate antagonism. Perhaps a re-edit to remove any doubt would be in
order. vk2cjc.
>From ne...@schnuerpel.eu Mon Jul 28 11:39:33 2008
> >Return-Path: <ne...@schnuerpel.eu>
> >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on
> > mailcrunch1.panix.com
> >X-Spam-Level:
> >X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED
> > autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3
> >X-Original-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Delivered-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73])
> > by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA90175F0
> > for <rr...@panix.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:32:20 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: by mail2.panix.com (Postfix)
> > id 82D1634801; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:32:20 -0400 (EDT)
> >Delivered-To: rec-radio-ama...@panix.com
> >Received: from pinatubo.switch.ch (pinatubo-2.switch.ch [130.59.1.10])
> > by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6CC3481B
> > for <rec-radio-ama...@panix.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008
11:32:19 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: from [78.46.73.112] (helo=schnuerpel.eu)
> > by pinatubo.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.63)
> > (envelope-from <ne...@schnuerpel.eu>)
> > id 1KNUhv-0007Be-8x
> > for rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org; Mon, 28 Jul
2008 17:32:19 +0200
> >Received: by schnuerpel.eu (Postfix, from userid 9)
> > id C5FCC3427E24; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:32:18 +0200 (CEST)
> >To: rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org
> >Path: news.albasani.net!not-for-mail
> >From: John Smith <assembl...@gmail.com>
> >Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated
> >Subject: Re: Another BPL?
> >Organization: albasani.net
> >Message-ID: <g6koq2$goi$1...@news.albasani.net>
> >References: <6LWdnV779ZZlBRXV...@deskmedia.com>
<g6f0ci$m0g$1...@news.albasani.net>
<g6gq84l3ut0jinlr4...@4ax.com>
<g6jj5j$esn$2...@news.albasani.net>
<2cdfea4c-fde2-4b53...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
> >Mime-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >X-Trace: news.albasani.net
TBPJak0BPP52j+QKtpUZx2hQ/HX5jnScZQ+Eg8TAJHDOC0y3JNfX3xmsAEUJyePPi5mJMUhMFI6QWiNyDVwAfl/XOLHrEPutG9AXOLuHiA+U8dhcVFh/4KpsAzsKTIKT
> >X-Complaints-To: ab...@albasani.net
> >NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:32:18 +0000 (UTC)
> >X-User-ID: gN1Bzp618QOKv4B4QJfDZFaKDcKRpXRHG/EFnrPBqs8=
> >Cancel-Lock: sha1:49itH5UctIJV1+PatEFwZ6HayWg=
> >User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
> >X-NNTP-Posting-Host: Jfo5Y/dW5hMclZMRy64tNRtqkGqCd6QRwfu9m0K88lE=
> >X-Virus-Status: No
> >
> >N2...@aol.com wrote:
> >
>> >> ...
>> >> None of this means Amateur Radio must never ever connect to the 'net
>> >> or to other communications systems. What it does mean is that such
>> >> connections are an enhancement and/or interface, not a
replacement for
>> >> "A Boy And His Radio" (to use K0HB's phrase).
>> >>
>> >> 73 de Jim, N2EY
>> >>
> >
> >N2EY/Jim:
> >
> >Well, perhaps this will be classified as a, "Yes; I agree post" and be
> >banned from posting. But, here goes ...
> >
> >Your post was simply eloquent. It drew a complete picture for
> >me--krist, I will be honest with you, for a minute there, you took me
> >back to 12 years old and I remembered the promise of discovery! ... I
> >can really appreciate that!
> >
> >Yes. I too was led to this path by the "romance" and "mysticism" of
> >radio and the lure of speaking to individuals in far away
> >places--constructions and experiments with electronic
> >parts/gear/techniques/army-surplus/etc. and antenna hardware, etc.
> >There is nothing wrong in enjoying these things.
> >
> >You don't just have a right to enjoy such things, nor do you JUST enjoy
> >a right to explain them to others so they may find and enjoy them--you
> >have a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to these things!
> >
> >I can only support you in your endeavors and exercise(s) of your
> >pursuit(s.) Don't be surprised if I am fond of your enjoyment of
radio,
> >and also can realize such enjoyments--still, even at my age ...
> >
> >However, I also enjoy other paths/uses of such a remarkable pastime as
> >radio ... in short, the net can add to these enjoyments; your
statement,
> >above, affirms our agreement to that ... remember the three blind men
> >and the elephant--we are SO different, perhaps, in our views, but also
> >SO alike ...
> >
> >Perhaps, you Phil and I--and others, should see ourselves as simply
> >travelers upon the same path--everyone is simply enjoying the view of
> >different "things" along our walkabout ... I suspect, I might miss what
> >you find--unless you discuss them with me, thanks for taking the time
> >and reminding me!
> >
> >Warm regards,
> >JS
> >
> >===========================================================
> >Reason: rewrite: Please leave criticism/speculation about
moderation policies and decisions out of article submissions. Use
rec-radio-amateur...@panix.com for
queries/complaints/clarifications about moderation decisions and
policies. - K3FU
>From ne...@schnuerpel.eu Mon Jul 28 23:43:52 2008
> >Return-Path: <ne...@schnuerpel.eu>
> >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on
> > mailcrunch3.panix.com
> >X-Spam-Level:
> >X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED
> > autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3
> >X-Original-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Delivered-To: rr...@panix.com
> >Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73])
> > by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64022DE2B
> > for <rr...@panix.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:55:40 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: by mail2.panix.com (Postfix)
> > id 7942E3480F; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:55:40 -0400 (EDT)
> >Delivered-To: rec-radio-ama...@panix.com
> >Received: from pinatubo.switch.ch (pinatubo-2.switch.ch [130.59.1.10])
> > by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D8C3480D
> > for <rec-radio-ama...@panix.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008
22:55:40 -0400 (EDT)
> >Received: from [78.46.73.112] (helo=schnuerpel.eu)
> > by pinatubo.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.63)
> > (envelope-from <ne...@schnuerpel.eu>)
> > id 1KNfND-0004GQ-Ae
> > for rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org; Tue, 29 Jul
2008 04:55:39 +0200
> >Received: by schnuerpel.eu (Postfix, from userid 9)
> > id 2B82F3427E22; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:55:38 +0200 (CEST)
> >To: rec-radio-ama...@moderators.isc.org
> >Path: news.albasani.net!not-for-mail
> >From: John Smith <assembl...@gmail.com>
> >Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated
> >Subject: Re: Another BPL?
> >Organization: albasani.net
> >Message-ID: <g6m0r9$af2$2...@news.albasani.net>
> >References: <6LWdnV779ZZlBRXV...@deskmedia.com>
<g6f0ci$m0g$1...@news.albasani.net>
<g6gq84l3ut0jinlr4...@4ax.com>
<g6jj5j$esn$2...@news.albasani.net>
<kars849mfsegvqm91...@4ax.com>
> >Mime-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >X-Trace: news.albasani.net
kklDQD/EokIbDqwCEygRBiGoYjpTQTNy7Bnj34Wy+iKnJlTkAMQ4rP1Q6p2FTsmVNy9VODVGdwsV6qvMvxnW2OFCBAxnVrjxCXzymgVbUYtcYC2EnBAIrN789QBMwd8w
> >X-Complaints-To: ab...@albasani.net
> >NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:55:38 +0000 (UTC)
> >X-User-ID: P1Dd21pPhUfImVLH3p3zfBQAFZjMk3spjKWIj0WMKD4=
> >Cancel-Lock: sha1:NNzoW97xjmFZ1PA3aPy1LlXf9Aw=
> >User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
> >X-NNTP-Posting-Host: jD8wRQp2wU7nmUmpmuf4j3zmw7wvERBchG2KU87PgQk=
> >X-Virus-Status: No
> >
> >Phil Kane wrote:
> >
>> >> ...
>> >> There are still some of us who cling to the motto "When all else
>> >> fails...amateur radio". My concept of ham radio is to be free from
>> >> any non-ham intermediary transmission systems.
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
>> >>
>> >>>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
>> >> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
>> >>
>> >> e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net
>> >>
> >
> >THAT is just too much of a romantics and dreamers vision for me. In
> >such times, where there is a "catastrophic failure of civilization" (I
> >mean, this is the only thing I can imagine which would hold the drama
> >you suggest)--trust me, if you can find someone to trade that rig to
for
> >a gun, a loaf of bread, some medicine for your family, shelter,
bedding,
> >etc., take them up on it! If you think food, medicine, fuel for
> >heat/cooling and shelter are going to be in demand--just try hunting up
> >a hot 220V outlet ...
> >
> >Amateur radio did little to alleviate human suffering, pain, needs and
> >rescue in the New Orleans disaster--I suspect the highly specific
> >disaster you envision will never come, but if it does, temporary cell
> >towers on trailers (you know they have them, right) will be more
> >suited--or, as I have stated before--truckers with CB's (heck, solar
> >powered lowfers and QRP'ers may look good!) But hey, I have seen
> >Hollywood writers make a fortune selling this line, many books have
> >contained these ideas also--rescue by radio! ... a lot of scifi flicks
> >have an amateur radio in the background also--yep, I have read 'em and
> >watched 'em ... :-)
> >
> >But then, you never know, we could be invaded by Canada or Mexico
> >tomorrow and find we are fresh out of nukes!
> >
> >Now, all that said, I DO plan on keeping my KW+ and 5KW amps ... ya
> >never know, ya just never know ... but power for them, in such a
> >disaster? :-(
> >
> >I just hope a few feds/state-workers are left to see some temp cell
> >towers set up ...
> >
> >Regards,
> >JS
> >
> >===========================================================
> >Reason: unlawful: A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part
97. Please strike reference on any resubmit. - K3FU
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (NetBSD)
iJwEAQECAAYFAkiiWigACgkQSO8RITXCfvsAuQP+KuXOEEhpD0oz46kHQtCsyIv1
ZUiK1Pc0/l5WMDRlZoUf9SOCTYpQqLjJv3qhHtSfaTtKutjXCw5zpakzLxv1zcSV
TvveMhmRWlj/TUtgNWcE+CgdFETjUCrCX7PnGLncJUfTuxjXzpQu81rIWPOORu9r
9bgoL8h8sUDMwmql/1c=
=FK3e
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Regards,
JS