How to build 11 meter Beam???
Ipo Camacho
beam antenna? What about fabricating a gamma match for use with wattage?
AC137
Dan K Nelson
>Does anyone have any idea on how to fabricate a 5-8 element 11 meter flat
>beam antenna? What about fabricating a gamma match for use with wattage?
>
>AC137
>
>
Sure, first get a long piece of aluminum I-Beam material to use for the
boom, make it about 23 feet long. Next attach 11 2.5" square panel meters
0-150 dc ma. will work fine), spacing them at equal distances along the
boom.
Once all of the meters are in place, tune for your operating frequency by
having your grandmother cut pieces of coax feedline at various lengths and
attach one length to each of the meters, until you get a good match. (this
is your gram'ma match).
Next, take the whole assembly out to the street and wait until a big truck
comes by and quickly toss the whole mess in front of the truck. This will
put the antenna on the "flat side".
Finally, haul it up in the air by strapping the feedline over a nearby power
pole, and you'll be in business - a real "big strapper - blowing smoke down
the wires"... 10-4 good buddy!
P.S.
If all this seems like too much work, or sounds like B.S. (it is) , try
asking the question on rec.radio.cb . :>)
73 de KF6KNB
ACI6
Bill
Goldreged
Wealth of info for building ALL sorts of antennas...
Ed
Ipo Camacho
in the message above yours you posted. But once again, thanks Ed.
73's AC137
Goldreged wrote in message <19981023135515...@ng94.aol.com>...
Jim
Doug Younker
>
> shut up stupid
uh-oh, someone can't stand a little bit of sarcasm.
--
73, Doug Younker, N0LKK
near Plainville, KS
do...@ruraltel.net
N0LKK@K0JJV.#NWKS.KS.USA.NAOM
Rick Kissell
about building a beam for Children's Band was pretty close to trolling
for flames.
73 de WB9GYT
Jim
WA8ULX
In article <70u6an$a...@newsops.execpc.com>, Rick Kissell <rkis...@execpc.com>
writes:
Why would anyone want to build a CB Beam, when all the CBers know that the A-99
will give them 9.9 DB Gain. If you want more Gain just hook a bunch of them in
series and you will get more Gain, 2 of them will give you 19.8db, 3 of them
will give you 29.7 DB Gain and just continue this way untill you have all the
Gain you want.
Doug Younker
> Why would anyone want to build a CB Beam, when all the CBers know that the A-99
> will give them 9.9 DB Gain. If you want more Gain just hook a bunch of them in
> series and you will get more Gain, 2 of them will give you 19.8db, 3 of them
> will give you 29.7 DB Gain and just continue this way untill you have all the
> Gain you want.
===============
I'll let you argue with them about how long the coax should be,
assuming if they can handle a stutation where lenght( coax) IS
important..
Mark Keith
>
> I think an apology is in order and I will offer it to you on behalf of the
> walking sphincters that have already started to bust balls and those that are
> sure to follow.
> Technically this is not a "CB" newsgroup, as several persons have already
> pointed out. However, there is (I would hope) a hell of alot more collective
> wisdom on the construction,care and feeding of antennas here as opposed to the
> CB newsgroups.
I know thats right good buddy...
> Have you thought about getting your ham license?
> area to help you further. Just remember that not everyone that you run into is
> as rude as they have been here.
After all the negative feedback he's probably come to the conclusion
most hams ARE walking sphincters and won't want anything to do with
them. tsk,tsk.. MK
Nuvistor
I think an apology is in order and I will offer it to you on behalf of the
walking sphincters that have already started to bust balls and those that are
sure to follow.
Technically this is not a "CB" newsgroup, as several persons have already
pointed out. However, there is (I would hope) a hell of alot more collective
wisdom on the construction,care and feeding of antennas here as opposed to the
Handbook for Radio Amateurs and the ARRL Antenna Handbook. Between the two of
them you should be able to scale a 10 meter antenna to fit your needs or design
your own, whichever you see fit. There are a lot of tradeoffs that you will
have to examine before you take this on...how much gain do you need ....how
much space you have...how high can you put it...etc. The theories and info in
the books will help you to evaluate what your needs are before you put hacksaw
to aluminum. You can even model what your "dream antenna" will perform like on
your computer with the right software.
Have you thought about getting your ham license? The hand book is full of
info that will help you to pass the test. You can contact the ARRL in
Newington, Connecticut and the'll give you a list of people and clubs in your
area to help you further. Just remember that not everyone that you run into is
to let me know how you make out.
73 Chris KC2BZH
Christopher Bucca KC2BZH
nuvi...@aol.com
If Ignorance is Bliss,
Then there are a lot of
Happy People out there!
Rick Kissell
Nuvistor wrote:
> I think an apology is in order and I will offer it to you on behalf of the
> walking sphincters that have already started to bust balls and those that are
> sure to follow.
> Technically this is not a "CB" newsgroup, as several persons have already
> pointed out.
I think Nuvistor could and should keep his apologies in his own name. If a CBer
gets tired of the endless ignorance found on both 11 meters and the CB Usenet
groups, he should GROW UP, leave Children's Band, and get a ham license!
If the original poster had said something along the lines of "I'm in the process of
getting my first ham license, and I'd like advise about the following ham antenna
topic....", I'm SURE he would have gotten a helping hand from a number of us.
Rick WB9GYT
Jones
>on both 11 meters and the CB Usenet groups, he should
While I have not checked the CB groups, a large percentage
of posts on these ham groups seem to be personal attacks,
bickering, and endless arguing over who is right on very
small technical details. You can't just blame Usenet. Most of
the non-ham groups I read (books, computer hardware and
software, ect) are much more civil. There is some flaming,
but not at this level. *Most* hams on the air are friendly
and wouldn't think of talking to each other as they do here.
There is probably a psychology somewhere in this. Time for
another government funded study...
Dan K Nelson
>
>
>Nuvistor wrote:
>
>> I think an apology is in order and I will offer it to you on behalf
of the
>> walking sphincters that have already started to bust balls and those that
are
>> sure to follow.
>> Technically this is not a "CB" newsgroup, as several persons have
already
>> pointed out.
>
CBer
>gets tired of the endless ignorance found on both 11 meters and the CB
Usenet
>
>If the original poster had said something along the lines of "I'm in the
process of
>getting my first ham license, and I'd like advise about the following ham
antenna
>topic....", I'm SURE he would have gotten a helping hand from a number of
us.
>
>Rick WB9GYT
>
Exactly...
73 de KF6KNB
Arthur Unwin
Rick Kissell <rkis...@execpc.com> wrote in article
<717jmk$1...@newsops.execpc.com>...
>
>
> Nuvistor wrote:
>
> > I think an apology is in order and I will offer it to you on behalf
of the
snip.
>
> I think Nuvistor could and should keep his apologies in his own name. If
a CBer
> gets tired of the endless ignorance found on both 11 meters and the CB
Usenet
> groups, he should GROW UP, leave Children's Band, and get a ham license!
Hams are adults and all CB ers are children ? Why on earth are you
insulting this
gentleman ?
Art KB9MZ
> Rick WB9GYT
>
>
Nathan
<kf6...@usa.net> writes
>Rick Kissell wrote in message <717jmk$1...@newsops.execpc.com>...
> If a CBer gets tired of the endless ignorance found on both 11 meters
and the CB Usenet groups, he should GROW UP, leave Children's Band, and
get a ham license!
In my opinion, the DX operators on 11m shine far brighter than the hams
who consider themselves superior to 11m DX enthusiasts, especially when
a perfectly reasonable question is posted in an antenna newsgroup.
Most 11m DX'ers ARE hams anyway!
Idiot
--
Nathan
WA8ULX
In article <A5yeqJAX...@hullnet.demon.co.uk>, Nathan
<Nat...@spamtrap.demon.co.uk> writes:
>In my opinion, the DX operators on 11m shine far brighter than the hams
>who consider themselves superior to 11m DX enthusiasts, especially when
>a perfectly reasonable question is posted in an antenna newsgroup.
>
>Most 11m DX'ers ARE hams anyway!
>
>Idiot
Then it sounds like you should stay on 11 Meters
Daniel Zimmerman
Rather than putting them down and calling them names and being elitist,
how about if we answer their questions and accept them into our amateur
ranks and maybe they will want to get their licenses. I'm sure they
won't want to do so if everybody is such an a****** as some of the hams
who post on this subject. I know that if my first experience with ham
radio was newsgroups, I don't think I'd have wanted to be a ham. Think
about it.
-Dan,
N3UMH
Nathan
<wa8...@aol.com> writes
No, I'm happy on 2m listening to the keyers and pratts.
--
Nathan
Doug Younker
Can't anyone take a little ribbing once in awhile? I'll admit I
ventured unto the realm of sarcasm, lurk in on rec.radio.cb for awhile
and yo might recognise the basis for my remarks. I can't recall
insulting any individual CB op or the CB group as a whole, nor have I
suggested non hams should be unwelcomed here...
--
73, Doug Younker, N0LKK
near Plainville, KS
do...@ruraltel.net
N0LKK@K0JJV.#NWKS.KS.USA.NAOM
Nuvistor wrote:
>
> I think an apology is in order and I will offer it to you on behalf of the
> walking sphincters that have already started to bust balls and those that are
> sure to follow.
> Technically this is not a "CB" newsgroup, as several persons have already
Doug Younker
>
> After all the negative feedback he's probably come to the conclusion
> most hams ARE walking sphincters and won't want anything to do with
> them. tsk,tsk.. MK
Given that it seems ike a good many CB ops think Hams are buttholes
already, maybe we should relate the word troll to the original post.
Believing it was a troll, I didn't hesitate with the sarcasm.
Jones
> Rather than putting them down and calling them names and being elitist,
> how about if we answer their questions and accept them into our amateur
Agreed. However poor treatment isn't the reason they're not on the ham
bands. The test is main reason. In general people usually treat
something they had to earn to get with more respect, and the bands are
no different. The no test CB band is a good example. The no test Usenet
is another. As we continue to make the entry tests (dare I use the word
weeder) easier, expect more uncivilized use.
Rick Kissell
Arthur Unwin wrote:
> Rick Kissell <rkis...@execpc.com> wrote in article
> <717jmk$1...@newsops.execpc.com>...
> >
> >
> > Nuvistor wrote:
> >
> > > I think an apology is in order and I will offer it to you on behalf
> of the
> snip.
> >
> > I think Nuvistor could and should keep his apologies in his own name. If
> a CBer
> > gets tired of the endless ignorance found on both 11 meters and the CB
> Usenet
> > groups, he should GROW UP, leave Children's Band, and get a ham license!
>
> Hams are adults and all CB ers are children ? Why on earth are you
> insulting this
> gentleman ?
> Art KB9MZ
That would have been a pretty stupid thing to say. Fortunately, I never said
that.
HP Authorized Customer
different? People ask serious questions here, and in a
lot of cases half or more of the responses are inane assinine
childish BS. God forbid a CBer comes in that might be ripe
to convert to a HAM, there's always some '*' that has to
show what a smartass he is. Makes a real good first
impression.
Yeah, he will get a helping hand, but he has to wade though
just as much garbage and bullshit as people who try to use
CB for semi-serious purposes do just to talk. Some people
here are on this self-rightous pedistal, and don't realize they're
not really that much different than the CB'ers who sit on
'their channel' and blast anyone traveling trough on the highway.
Mike Yetsko
N1DVJ
>>I think Nuvistor could and should keep his apologies in his own name. If
a
>CBer
>>gets tired of the endless ignorance found on both 11 meters and the CB
>Usenet
>>groups, he should GROW UP, leave Children's Band, and get a ham license!
>>
WA8ULX
In article <lBuXkKAk...@hullnet.demon.co.uk>, Nathan
<Nat...@spamtrap.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>Then it sounds like you should stay on 11 Meters
>
>No, I'm happy on 2m listening to the keyers and pratts.
>--
>Nathan
>
2 Meters, same thing as 11Meters
Mark Keith
>
> Mark Keith wrote:
>
> >
> > After all the negative feedback he's probably come to the conclusion
> > most hams ARE walking sphincters and won't want anything to do with
> > them. tsk,tsk.. MK
>
> Given that it seems ike a good many CB ops think Hams are buttholes
> already, maybe we should relate the word troll to the original post.
> Believing it was a troll, I didn't hesitate with the sarcasm.
I can't remember the original post, but as the title to this post is 11m
beams I doubt it was a troll. I'm always carefull on what I say to
certain groups of people, IE: CBer's, etc. Just because they don't have
a ham ticket doesn't always mean they are dummies. I've seen some cber's
that know more about radios's than some hams. MK
Rick Kissell
Daniel Zimmerman wrote:
> 11 meter operators that post to this newsgroup are radio enthusiasts.
So what? So are people who send out false distress calls on marine
frequencies. This newsgroup is rec.radio.AMATEUR.antenna.
> Rather than putting them down and calling them names and being elitist,
> how about if we answer their questions and accept them into our amateur
> ranks and maybe they will want to get their licenses.
I for one would be happy to accept them once they leave behind ILLEGAL
activities and at least express serious interest in getting a ham license.
I hardly think it's appropriate to "accept them into our amateur ranks"
until they've taken those very minimal steps. Here in Milwaukee, CBers
with amps are causing a LOT of trouble with RFI, and hams are getting the
blame because the public can't tell the difference.
I agree 100% that we be welcoming to newcomers-- but not to CBers who are
too ethically-impaired to stop illegal activities as long as there is no
effective law enforcement, and too lazy to get even a beginner's ham
license.
WB9GYT
Freeland
wire and cut it 468/11m=42.545
feet/2=21.272 feet. supply
feedline (coax) center to one
side shield to other side.
Done!
Mark Keith wrote in message
<363A02...@wt.net>...
Freeland
Freeland wrote in message ...
>Why don't he get some copper
>feet/2=8.069 feet. supply
Dan K Nelson
>Why don't he get some copper
>feet/2=21.272 feet. supply
>feedline (coax) center to one
>side shield to other side.
>Done!
>
Because if he did it would never resonate on his desired frequencies, but it
would work on the 11 mhz. band. Your formula is flawed, a halfwave dipole
for 27 mhz would be around 8.6 feet per side ...
73 de KF6KNB
Freeland
and get it over with?
Dan K Nelson wrote in message
<71dp9c$f91$1...@news-1.news.gte.
net>...
Jones
> lot of cases half or more of the responses are inane assinine
> show what a smartass he is. Some people
> here are on this self-rightous pedistal.....
> Mike Yetsko
The pot calling the kettle black.
Goldreged
activities and at least express serious interest in getting a ham license.
I hardly think it's appropriate to "accept them into our amateur ranks"
until they've taken those very minimal steps. Here in Milwaukee, CBers
with amps are causing a LOT of trouble with RFI, and hams are getting the
blame because the public can't tell the difference.
I agree 100% that we be welcoming to newcomers-- but not to CBers who are
too ethically-impaired to stop illegal activities as long as there is no
effective law enforcement, and too lazy to get even a beginner's ham
license.
WB9GYT>>
Ok... Not ALL CB'ers run Illegally. ANYONE who would Dare to put out a False
Distress call should be Prosecuted. Are ALL CB'ers too "Ethically Impared"? I
surely am NOT !!!
I run stock equipment. (Checked).
Just a suggestion... Bee a bit more civil. Honey & Vinegar... Sound Familiar?
Ed G.
(Please Remove "JUNKBLOK" to E-mail.
Unless it's a Flame.)
Check This Site !!!
http://www.charityweb.net/Safehaven
Bill
>
> Daniel Zimmerman wrote:
>
> > 11 meter operators that post to this newsgroup are radio enthusiasts.
>
> So what? So are people who send out false distress calls on marine
> frequencies. This newsgroup is rec.radio.AMATEUR.antenna.
>
> > Rather than putting them down and calling them names and being elitist,
> > how about if we answer their questions and accept them into our amateur
> > ranks and maybe they will want to get their licenses.
>
> activities and at least express serious interest in getting a ham license.
>
> I hardly think it's appropriate to "accept them into our amateur ranks"
> until they've taken those very minimal steps. Here in Milwaukee, CBers
> with amps are causing a LOT of trouble with RFI, and hams are getting the
> blame because the public can't tell the difference.
>
> I agree 100% that we be welcoming to newcomers-- but not to CBers who are
> too ethically-impaired to stop illegal activities as long as there is no
> effective law enforcement, and too lazy to get even a beginner's ham
> license.
>
> WB9GYT
accusing the poster with all the crimes of other people who use CB
radios.
It is people like you that give amateur radio a bad name.
Go Away.
--
邢 唷��
Bill
>
> <<I for one would be happy to accept them once they leave behind ILLEGAL
> activities and at least express serious interest in getting a ham license.
>
> I hardly think it's appropriate to "accept them into our amateur ranks"
> until they've taken those very minimal steps. Here in Milwaukee, CBers
> with amps are causing a LOT of trouble with RFI, and hams are getting the
> blame because the public can't tell the difference.
> I agree 100% that we be welcoming to newcomers-- but not to CBers who are
> too ethically-impaired to stop illegal activities as long as there is no
> effective law enforcement, and too lazy to get even a beginner's ham
> license.
> WB9GYT>>
>
> Distress call should be Prosecuted. Are ALL CB'ers too "Ethically Impared"? I
> surely am NOT !!!
> I run stock equipment. (Checked).
>
> Just a suggestion... Bee a bit more civil. Honey & Vinegar... Sound Familiar?
> Ed G.
> (Please Remove "JUNKBLOK" to E-mail.
> Unless it's a Flame.)
> Check This Site !!!
> http://www.charityweb.net/Safehaven
news groups one must first demonstrate proof of a license.
I think not.
Any ligitimate question or constructive pertinant comment from anyone is
welcome here.
The rest of you narrow minded fools can go away.
kc6ufe (proof of license insert here)
--
邢 唷��
WA8ULX
In article <363A81...@NOREPLY.inreach.com>, Bill
<wha...@NOREPLY.inreach.com> writes:
>What you are doing is called PREDJUDICE because you are possibly falsly
>accusing the poster with all the crimes of other people who use CB
>radios.
>It is people like you that give amateur radio a bad name.
>Go Away.
>--
This is pure Bull
Goldreged
Yeah It's Spouting from the Fountain.
WA8ULX
In article <19981030235823...@ng145.aol.com>,
gold...@aol.comJUNKBLOK (Goldreged) writes:
><<This is pure Bull>>
>
>Yeah It's Spouting from the Fountain.
>Ed G.
Oh and we get a Response from a CBer who is protesting becoming a Ham till
they lower the Standards so they meet with his approval. Do you still have that
20 DB Gain A-99 CBer
Nathan
<rkis...@execpc.com> writes
>
>
>Daniel Zimmerman wrote:
>
>> 11 meter operators that post to this newsgroup are radio enthusiasts.
>
>So what? So are people who send out false distress calls on marine
>frequencies. This newsgroup is rec.radio.AMATEUR.antenna.
>
>> Rather than putting them down and calling them names and being elitist,
>> how about if we answer their questions and accept them into our amateur
>> ranks and maybe they will want to get their licenses.
>
>activities and at least express serious interest in getting a ham license.
>
>I hardly think it's appropriate to "accept them into our amateur ranks"
>until they've taken those very minimal steps. Here in Milwaukee, CBers
>with amps are causing a LOT of trouble with RFI, and hams are getting the
>blame because the public can't tell the difference.
>
>I agree 100% that we be welcoming to newcomers-- but not to CBers who are
>too ethically-impaired to stop illegal activities as long as there is no
>effective law enforcement, and too lazy to get even a beginner's ham
>license.
>
>WB9GYT
>
radio operators and not professional radio users!
The ham license is not the question, any flunky can pass that - it's
laughably easy - what we are talking about is true dx on 11m which the
entire globe uses. It's in the 'grey' area of the law as far as I'm
concerned, so stop being so stuck up and answer the question!
You must differentiate between the cber who keys out channels with a
large amp at home, and the 11m dxer who sits on a hill for 24hours and
never uses the legal cb frequencies.
I'll repeat my first statement - most 11m dxers are licensed hams. Maybe
it's the snobbery and cliqueness that forces them onto 11m?
--
Nathan
26 Division DT1385
CW
> I'll repeat my first statement - most 11m dxers are licensed hams. Maybe
> it's the snobbery and cliqueness that forces them onto 11m?
> --
> Nathan
> 26 Division DT1385
>
Did it for me.
--
CW
KC7NOD
Goldreged
they lower the Standards so they meet with his approval. Do you still have that
20 DB Gain A-99 CBer >>
If we both were on the air & operated our Radios like we Post, which one do you
think that the other Hams would see as a Better Operator?
The one who tries to help others, or the one who nags & just posts useless
Drivel?
Dan K Nelson
>A cber or a ham are both hobby radio enthusiasts. Both are 'amateur'
>radio operators and not professional radio users!
>
At least the hams bear some level of legitimacy, and care enough to put
forth the time and effort to obtain a license. For the most part they
operate within the bounds of the regulations.
>The ham license is not the question, any flunky can pass that - it's
>laughably easy - what we are talking about is true dx on 11m which the
>entire globe uses. It's in the 'grey' area of the law as far as I'm
>concerned, so stop being so stuck up and answer the question!
>
If it's such an easy thing to get, then what excuse do the outlaw operators
have for not getting licensed ? It would give them a lot more things to do
with the hobby - Maybe they aren't very enthusiastic about legitimate radio
operations.
>You must differentiate between the cber who keys out channels with a
>large amp at home, and the 11m dxer who sits on a hill for 24hours and
>never uses the legal cb frequencies.
>
What is the difference, both of them are operating illegally.
>I'll repeat my first statement - most 11m dxers are licensed hams. Maybe
>it's the snobbery and cliqueness that forces them onto 11m?
That's a broad statement, what proof do you have that it is true ? I'm sure
that some new hams that haven't "crossed over" yet might be found there, but
the vast majority of amateurs have moved on to better things.
>--
>Nathan
>26 Division DT1385
73 de KF6KNB
WA8ULX
In article <71fde8$k6v$1...@news-1.news.gte.net>, "Dan K Nelson" <kf6...@usa.net>
writes:
>I'll repeat my first statement - most 11m dxers are licensed hams. Maybe
>>it's the snobbery and cliqueness that forces them onto 11m?
>
This is pure Crap, no ham that has privilages for 10 would even consider
operating on 11 Meters.
Mark Castiglione
I'm tired of seeing this header...lets let it die......73 N8REZ
Mark Keith
>
> Why don't he get some copper
> wire and cut it 468/11m=42.545
> feet/2=21.272 feet. supply
> feedline (coax) center to one
> side shield to other side.
> Done!
instead of M. IE:
468/27.185=17.21537612654/2= 8.60768806327 per leg for a dipole for
CH#19
For me in the real world that means stretch wire out one arm span, and
then from arm to arm pit for appx 8ft. :<
Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr.
First of all, this is not amateur radio, it is the internet, a
newsgroup on the internet, USENET.rec.radio.amateur.antenna to be
exact.
I have been a licensed HAM since 1959, a LICENSED CBer since 1957, in
fact, I had the very first CB license issued for the State of
Missouri, 17Q, and was close friends with the very first person to
ever obtain a CB license at all, 1Q, issued in California to Mary
Stanley.
Despite the governmental regulations that cover the HAM bands, and the
regulations that once covered the Citizens Band and now the Family
Bands as well. I don't think in over 35 years, I have found any radio
spectrum that was being used legally by any operator, even by those
who claim to operate totally legal all the time.
If you really want to go by the letter of the law, have you ever been
in a net and they moved onto the next person before you properly
cleared and your alloted time lapsed before your turn came around
again. You were just operating illegally.
You should hear what I hear on the 2 meter bands in this area, it's
evident that very few of the members of some repeaters even have a
license, much less any knowledge of the law.
In the hayday of CB, I could easily talk a 100 mile radius barefoot,
however, if you check some of the old regs books, CB had a specific
purpose, ragchewing and DX was definately not one of the allowable
pursuits. I do have to say that linears totally ruined the 11-meter
band, to the point that the band had almost become useless for
numerous years. Some of us remember what CB was like the day after
Christmas every year!
An unenforced law is about as useful as no law at all, as is plainly
evident on the 11-meter band over the past decade. However, the trend
appearing on the HAM bands are leading to the same demise as CB. HAMs
always have and should always police themselves and their bands for
their own protection. If it were not for the comradarie amongst HAMs
to police themselves, our bands would have been up on the auction
block years ago. It hurts me greatly to see amateur radio falling
into the same garbage heap that has plagued CB for so many years, but
with the increase in illegal operators going unchecked on the HAM
bands, it has only one way to go, and that's the way CB went.
It doesn't matter what question was asked, how it was asked, or for
what purpose the question was asked.
The person posed the question because he did not know or understand
the answer.
It is our "DUTY" as an amateur to answer his or her question as
truthfully and honestly as we know how.
If you are not versed on the subject, don't know the answer, or have
no idea of how to answer the question. You had no business replying
to the question in the first place, with stupid rhetoric that only
reflects badly on the rest of the amateur community.
I don't like what happened to CB anymore than anyone else, but
remember, CB became CB because users broke the primary stringent use
law of that band in the first place. In it's downhill travel from
restricted business use, through personal use, into hobby use, it has
fallen into uncontrolled use, with many users grossly abusing the
frequency.
Don't you see the same parallel occuring in the amateur bands?
It has gone from home built experimental hobby equipment and a field
of learning and development, into almost totally store bought
equipment, with little or no knowledge of the operator on how to
design and built a transceiver. Some even have trouble trying to
figure out how to work it. Communications feats have gone from the
occasional exciting contacts, to old ladies ragchewing and bragging
about their store bought equipment and complaining 24 hours a day
about the paperchasers tying up the frequency from time to time.
2-meters is nothing more than CB was only a few short years ago, and
it's going downhill so fast, it makes your head swim.
Doesn't our rules say to use the lowest power possible to make the
communication? Yet we have hams building higher and higher power
stations, even on the UHF and VHF bands, why, who needs 500 watts to
reach a repeater 15 miles away.
Just like CB, HAM radio has gone from experimental, to hobby, to
casual, and now to the power hungry. The only difference is amateur
radio has not yet declined as far as CB has, due to some self-policing
still within the ranks, but even it has declined, because there is
basically nothing that a ham can do to stop an illegal operator from
taking over a band, without breaking the law themselves.
And just to emphasize how rediculous some hams have become, playing
with their fancy store bought equipment with all the bells and
whistles. Have you ever been told you were off frequency, when you
were dead center in the middle of a specific portion of a band?
And to make matters even more stupid, the operator saying that, had
just responded to your CQ, on the frequency YOU chose to call a CQ on.
Why did he say that? Because his little digital readout shows .008
instead of .000, so that instantly make YOU off-frequency. Off of
whose frequency? You can use any frequency from one end to the other
of that band. I remember the days when you had to stop and meet back
at the other end of the band because you would walk yourself off the
other end of the band because of drift. I'm glad those days are over!
However, technology can get toooooo specific, if you know what I mean.
TTUL - 73+ de Gary - KGØZP
Nathan
>>The ham license is not the question, any flunky can pass that - it's
>>laughably easy - what we are talking about is true dx on 11m which the
>>entire globe uses. It's in the 'grey' area of the law as far as I'm
>>concerned, so stop being so stuck up and answer the question!
>>
>
>
>If it's such an easy thing to get, then what excuse do the outlaw operators
>have for not getting licensed ? It would give them a lot more things to do
>with the hobby - Maybe they aren't very enthusiastic about legitimate radio
>operations.
>
I think you've just hit the nail on the head - why do you think that is?
73
--
Nathan
Bill
Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. said;
Gomer Hauler
>This is pure Crap, no ham that has privilages for 10 would even consider
>operating on 11 Meters.
Not true. 11 stays open, often, when 10 closes...and you NEVER hear "CQ
Contest" on 11.
Freeland
all that matters, but of
course you're right about the
beam. But, we'd have to get
into front to back ratios and
forward ratios for the beam
and there's too many to
mention because of the
particular area where he's at
and his power output, etc.,
etc., etc.
Mark Keith wrote in message
Dean Craft
Nathan wrote in message ...
>In article <71fde8$k6v$1...@news-1.news.gte.net>, Dan K Nelson
><kf6...@usa.net> writes
>>Nathan wrote in message ...
>
>>>The ham license is not the question, any flunky can pass
that - it's
>>>laughably easy - what we are talking about is true dx on 11m
which the
>>>entire globe uses. It's in the 'grey' area of the law as far
as I'm
>>>concerned, so stop being so stuck up and answer the question!
>>>
>>
>>
>>If it's such an easy thing to get, then what excuse do the
outlaw operators
>>have for not getting licensed ? It would give them a lot more
things to do
>>with the hobby - Maybe they aren't very enthusiastic about
legitimate radio
>>operations.
>>
>I think you've just hit the nail on the head - why do you think
that is?
>
>73
>--
>Nathan
Several of the possibilities that should be considered is that
they are participants in an ever growing segment of our society
that no longer supports the concept of individual achievement.
They support the theory that individual success is always at the
expense of someone less fortunate and is therefore, immoral.
They argue frequently that it is illegal to require some effort
of them in achieving the status of others. They believe that if
one individual has something, then all other individuals should
have it also.
Dean
WA8ULX
In article <71i4a5$mcv$2...@samsara0.mindspring.com>, "Dean Craft"
<w4...@mindspring.com> writes:
>Several of the possibilities that should be considered is that
>they are participants in an ever growing segment of our society
>that no longer supports the concept of individual achievement.
>They support the theory that individual success is always at the
>expense of someone less fortunate and is therefore, immoral.
>They argue frequently that it is illegal to require some effort
>of them in achieving the status of others. They believe that if
>one individual has something, then all other individuals should
>have it also.
>
>Dean
>
Great post
Bloody Viking
: I agree 100% that we be welcoming to newcomers-- but not to CBers who are
: too ethically-impaired to stop illegal activities as long as there is no
: effective law enforcement, and too lazy to get even a beginner's ham
: license.
It sounds like you're using a strict definition of "amateur radio
operator". These lamers with the linear amps on the CB radios are amateurs
all right. Rank amateurs that is!
As distasteful as radio pirates are it's inevitable the morons will want
to discuss antennas here. I'm mostly interested in 3 metre band reception
here.
--
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Gary Coffman
>Nathan wrote in message ...
>>In article <71fde8$k6v$1...@news-1.news.gte.net>, Dan K Nelson
>><kf6...@usa.net> writes
>>>Nathan wrote in message ...
>>
>>>>The ham license is not the question, any flunky can pass
>that - it's
>>>>laughably easy - what we are talking about is true dx on 11m
>which the
>>>>entire globe uses. It's in the 'grey' area of the law as far
>as I'm
>>>>concerned, so stop being so stuck up and answer the question!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>If it's such an easy thing to get, then what excuse do the
>outlaw operators
>>>have for not getting licensed ? It would give them a lot more
>things to do
>>>with the hobby - Maybe they aren't very enthusiastic about
>legitimate radio
>>>operations.
>>>
>>I think you've just hit the nail on the head - why do you think
>that is?
>>
>>73
>>--
>>Nathan
>
>they are participants in an ever growing segment of our society
>that no longer supports the concept of individual achievement.
>They support the theory that individual success is always at the
>expense of someone less fortunate and is therefore, immoral.
>They argue frequently that it is illegal to require some effort
>of them in achieving the status of others. They believe that if
>one individual has something, then all other individuals should
>have it also.
That welfare mentality argument doesn't wash. If it were true,
then the outbanders would be waiting for radios to be issued
to them by the government. The key to understanding the
welfare mentality is to understand that it revolves around the
notion that society (a nebulous concept meaning those who
are productive) should be required by law to give part of their
substance to the non-productive. In other words, welfare is
government approved and operated theft and redistribution
of goods and services.
I think the source of this outbanding phenomena is different.
I think it is due to a growing number of people being fed up with
excessive government control of their lives, property, and behavior.
They have taken to ignoring the law and defacto repudiating it as
illegitimate. An obvious example of this was the 55 MPH speed limit.
People didn't believe in it, and routinely ignored it as an illegitimate
imposition on their freedom of movement.
I think the outbanders and pirates arise from a similar
cause. They don't believe that the way the government
manages spectrum is legitimate, so they choose to ignore
that management. Because enforcement is spotty at best,
like those who routinely ignored the 55 MPH speed limit,
they mostly get away with it.
This is the exact opposite of the welfare mentality. What
it says, loudly, is that the government should butt out and
let people act in their own interest without the interference
of Big Nanny. It asks nothing from government except to
be left alone.
The danger here is that if their ranks grow to significant
numbers, the government will have no choice but to react
the way they did in regard to the 55 MPH speed limit, IE
they'll have to change the regulations regarding access
to spectrum or lose all legitimacy and respect from the
population. Government must have that legitimacy, that
mostly voluntary acceptance of its authority as reasonable
and prudent, or it cannot rule effectively.
The really unfortunate aspect of all this is that loss of respect
for one law has a spillover effect in that there is some loss
of respect for all laws. That's dangerous because it can lead
to a total breakdown of social order. Thus it is always in the
interest of government and society to have the minimum
amount of regulation possible, and to ensure that what
regulations do exist are viewed as reasonable and prudent
by the majority of the population.
Unfortunately, there is a tendency by those whose hands
are on the levers of power, and by those in advantaged
positions, to multiply regulations in ways that benefit the
advanataged class relative to the general population.
Thus bureaucracies and regulations tend to multiply
without limit, sense, or sensibility. That's always a major
hazard, because it leads to loss of legitimacy in the
eyes of the general population.
Now I don't want this to be taken to mean that I view outbanders
and pirates as "heros of the revolution". I certainly do not. But
I think it is important that we understand the true social roots
of this behavior rather than running off in the wrong direction.
What we're seeing is not welfare mentality. What we're seeing
is the opposite of welfare mentality.
Rather than a dependence on government largess, it represents
a repudiation of government legitimacy. That's a much more serious
matter, and we'd best take it seriously or the consequences can be
the collapse of the social order. The big danger is not from the
welfare class, it is from those to whom the government's authority
has lost legitimacy. This is a reason we've seen the rise of militias,
it is a reason we've seen a rise in tax resistance, it is why we are
plagued with bombers, and in a much less serious vein, it is why
we have pirates and outbanders. In a sense, these are all symptoms
of a government regulatory environment which has run amok.
Gary
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CW
Ron N6AHA
Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. wrote in message
<363b1be4...@news.primary.net>...
>I think you all missed the point entirely!
[snip a bunch 'o blather]
All that notwithstanding, helping a CB'er build an antenna is like teaching
a gang-banger how to load an AK-47!
Ron
N6AHA
Dan K Nelson
>
>
>All that notwithstanding, helping a CB'er build an antenna is like teaching
>a gang-banger how to load an AK-47!
>
>Ron
>N6AHA
>
Well said...
CW
are you saying that people should not pass any information because it might
be used illegally? If that's the case, I guess this newsgroup should be
shut down as someone here might operate illegally. Libraries are equally
dangerous. Quick! Shut them down! Someone might learn something!
Anyone asking a question or reading a book should be suspect, they are
probably looking to break the law. Knowledge should be restricted to "The
Chosen Ones", for they alone have the wisdom to use it for good, not evil.
--
CW
KC7NOD (I have a license, I am a member of "The Chosen Ones")
Ron N6AHA <ro...@sonic.net> wrote in article
<71jc5n$rp9$1...@ultra.sonic.net>...
>
> Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. wrote in message
> <363b1be4...@news.primary.net>...
> >I think you all missed the point entirely!
>
Bloody Viking
: I think the source of this outbanding phenomena is different.
: I think it is due to a growing number of people being fed up with
: excessive government control of their lives, property, and behavior.
: They have taken to ignoring the law and defacto repudiating it as
: illegitimate. An obvious example of this was the 55 MPH speed limit.
: People didn't believe in it, and routinely ignored it as an illegitimate
: imposition on their freedom of movement.
: I think the outbanders and pirates arise from a similar
: cause. They don't believe that the way the government
: manages spectrum is legitimate, so they choose to ignore
: that management. Because enforcement is spotty at best,
: like those who routinely ignored the 55 MPH speed limit,
: they mostly get away with it.
This can also be said of the drug laws. Why pirate radio stations are
proliferating is becuse of how commercial radio only serves it's corporate
masters and is cookie-cutter bland. With the consolidation, local
programming is lost in favour of syndication.
: The really unfortunate aspect of all this is that loss of respect
: for one law has a spillover effect in that there is some loss
: of respect for all laws. That's dangerous because it can lead
: to a total breakdown of social order. Thus it is always in the
: interest of government and society to have the minimum
: amount of regulation possible, and to ensure that what
: regulations do exist are viewed as reasonable and prudent
: by the majority of the population.
The drug laws was the first of bad laws. In an environment of flouting one
type of law, the flouting of others gets easier to rationalise.
: Unfortunately, there is a tendency by those whose hands
: are on the levers of power, and by those in advantaged
: positions, to multiply regulations in ways that benefit the
: advanataged class relative to the general population.
: Thus bureaucracies and regulations tend to multiply
: without limit, sense, or sensibility. That's always a major
: hazard, because it leads to loss of legitimacy in the
: eyes of the general population.
And the FCC catering to the National Association of Broadcasters is the
source of the pirates. There's a difference between regulating RF spectrum
for the best interest in the people and regulating spectrum in favour of
corporations. This is the pirate's rationalisation.
: Now I don't want this to be taken to mean that I view outbanders
: and pirates as "heros of the revolution". I certainly do not. But
: I think it is important that we understand the true social roots
: of this behavior rather than running off in the wrong direction.
: What we're seeing is not welfare mentality. What we're seeing
: is the opposite of welfare mentality.
We have a mentality of rebels and an oppressive government. This type of
thing was what formed this country in the first place.
: Rather than a dependence on government largess, it represents
: a repudiation of government legitimacy. That's a much more serious
: matter, and we'd best take it seriously or the consequences can be
: the collapse of the social order. The big danger is not from the
: welfare class, it is from those to whom the government's authority
: has lost legitimacy. This is a reason we've seen the rise of militias,
: it is a reason we've seen a rise in tax resistance, it is why we are
: plagued with bombers, and in a much less serious vein, it is why
: we have pirates and outbanders. In a sense, these are all symptoms
: of a government regulatory environment which has run amok.
So, how do you fix it? That's the problem. Our political system is as
corrupt as a banana republic, with the corporate bribery. This leaves only
civil disobediance as a method of effecting change. This is seen with
drugs, the 55mph speed limit, militias, pirate radio operators, and so on.
Both parties are hopelessly corrupt. They only serve the corporate money
suppliers. If the NAB wants to monopolise the broadcast bands, they get
it. And the only way for the public to protest is to build transmitters
and start broadcasting.
Bloody Viking
: All that notwithstanding, helping a CB'er build an antenna is like teaching
: a gang-banger how to load an AK-47!
Only if the CBer is using a linear amp. Your analogy would be better with
a pirate broadcaster. Even so, you take 2 metre design and adapt it to 3
metres.
Rick Kissell
we're getting 'WAY off topic!
73 de WB9GYT
Will White
questions. The dicussion o antennas and other technical matters on that
'other' NG is so full of absurd claims and downright dangerous advice
(loading up house AC wiring, using gas lines as grounds {yes, someone
really wrote that!}) That a CB op is forced to come here for info.
--
Will White, KD7BFX
Ron N6AHA
http://members.aol.com/cbmods/121.htm
Check it out, and you'll see why there is so much QRM on 10 Meters.
>Did I miss something? Did they recently pass a law making CB illegal? CW
>KC7NOD (I have a license, I am a member of "The Chosen Ones")
>
>Ron N6AHA <ro...@sonic.net> wrote in article
><71jc5n$rp9$1...@ultra.sonic.net>...
>>
>> Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. wrote in message
>> <363b1be4...@news.primary.net>...
>> >I think you all missed the point entirely!
>>
>> [snip a bunch 'o blather]
>>
>> All that notwithstanding, helping a CB'er build an antenna is like
>teaching
>> a gang-banger how to load an AK-47!
>>
>> Ron
>> N6AHA
>>
>>
>>
Josh J. Haviland
In a previous article, ro...@sonic.net (Ron N6AHA) says:
>
>Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. wrote in message
><363b1be4...@news.primary.net>...
>>I think you all missed the point entirely!
>
> [snip a bunch 'o blather]
>
>All that notwithstanding, helping a CB'er build an antenna is like teaching
>a gang-banger how to load an AK-47!
>
>Ron
>N6AHA
>
>
>
tis true for the most part i agree! i would love not to hear
'freebanders' i believe they call themselves in the CW section of 10M makes
it harder to copy code, but there are a few decent CB'ers i know and have
talked to way before i got my ticket, i've helped a few of which build
antennas or match ones they have, but i make the antennas (like my friends
quad) so the SWR starts to get real bad 28mhz. luckily most of the people
have no idea how the antennas actually work.
(sometimes best left in the dark)
-Josh
--
__/////////\ Budgreen, ea...@cleveland.freenet.edu /\\\\\\\\\__
\\\\\\\\\/ Josh...... La...@cyberspace.org \/////////
=================================================================
gues...@what.how
>All that notwithstanding, helping a CB'er build an antenna is like teaching
>a gang-banger how to load an AK-47!
>
>Ron
>N6AHA
You sound like your speaking from experience. Did the big bad CB'er
not appreciate your help? I'll bet your one of those grouches on 75m
that can't think of anything positive to say.
I thought this NG was for antenna discussion! Now I'm breaking the NG
Law, Someone going to arrest me or take away my internet license? I
have found some nice hams on the news groups but those of you who
place yourselves as Judge and jury of others are what is making not
only Ham Radio, but the world such a hell hole! The bad thing is that
decent people are having to put up with more stuck-up
rule-your-neighbor everybody-else-is-an-ass-but-me
there-is-only-one-way-and-thats-my-way people like you.
{Help! my computer crashed and can't boot up...}
Josh J. Haviland
In a previous article, wa8...@aol.com (WA8ULX) says:
>
>In article <71fde8$k6v$1...@news-1.news.gte.net>, "Dan K Nelson" <kf6...@usa.net>
>writes:
>
>>I'll repeat my first statement - most 11m dxers are licensed hams. Maybe
>>>it's the snobbery and cliqueness that forces them onto 11m?
>>
>
>This is pure Crap, no ham that has privilages for 10 would even consider
>operating on 11 Meters.
>
Pure crap? if that was the case i would have never been licensed.
luckily about 80% of the cb'ers i've met in this area are decent people,
yes there are cliques, but u get that on any band, i got started in ham
radio because of a few ppl i met on 11M who were hams and were nice enough
to help me study and give a novice test for me and my father in 1990, I
enjoy building antennas (i have enough to prove it) and am willing to help
in most cases unless i have a feeling something illegal will be done, and i
don't hesitate to track ppl down that invade 10M illegally, i figured the
post that started all this was just a troll, or someone who knows nothing
about antennas ( a 5-8 element beam for 11 would be huge and after 4
elements it gets kinda pointless to go much further due to gain factors of
so many elements) but the way i look at it all, theres good and bad in both
worlds, some just more talked about than others, if i see a post i disagree
with i usually don't say anything, but this is starting to go to far
-peace- Josh
KB8KVI
Rick Kissell
Will White wrote:
Of course! All of that's a given. Thus the Children's Banders with brains
find themselves facing a basic question: Why hang out with morons? Why
not expend the (small) effort to get a beginner's ham ticket?
Ron N6AHA
gues...@what.how wrote in message <3640ac59...@news.i-plus.net>...
>On Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:24:40 -0800, "Ron N6AHA" <ro...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>>All that notwithstanding, helping a CB'er build an antenna is like
teaching
>>a gang-banger how to load an AK-47!
>I'll bet your one of those grouches on 75m
>that can't think of anything positive to say.
Don't bet the rent on it!
>
>I thought this NG was for antenna discussion!
I guess you still don't know the difference between HAM and CB? Duh?
>everybody-else-is-an-ass-but-me
>there-is-only-one-way-and-thats-my-way people like you.
No. We're just people who obey the L A W. So go on freebanding, drunk
driving, child molesting and whatever else you do for fun.
>{Help! my computer crashed and can't boot up...}
Call Radio Shack
Ron N6AHA
Nuvistor wrote in message <19981103204711...@ngol06.aol.com>...
>
>In article <71jnf6$r0v$1...@news-1.news.gte.net>, "Dan K Nelson"
<kf6...@usa.net>
>writes:
>
>>>All that notwithstanding, helping a CB'er build an antenna is like
teaching
>>>a gang-banger how to load an AK-47!
> Did you just spontaneously absorb the knowledge needed to be a ham
radio
>operator or did you ask people that were more knowledgable than you were at
the
>time to help and guide you in the right direction?
I didn't ask a CB'er, if that's what you mean!
>Politics aside, whatever
>happened to just plain courtesy? Look inside the cover of your Handbook and
>read item number four of the Amateur's Code. While not a legal requirement,
it
>just makes good sense.
I think they're talking about other hams, not CB'ers, Freebanders,
freeloaders, "good buddies", pirates, jammers or other assorted riff-raff.
Ron N6AHA
Ron N6AHA
>Not every CB'er is a lowlife, and you sir, are a disgrace to the amateur
>community. Tear up your license and go away.
>kc6ufe
If you're a disgrace to CB'ers what do you do? Run over your echo-box?
Tear up your tag-tone power mic? Narrow your bandwidth to only 100 KHz?
Tear up your Radio Shack credit card? Tear up the "wallpaper" you got from
that Mexican you worked on 28.030 lsb? Tear up your "Freebanding For
Dummies" book?
I donno....
Ron N6AHA
Nuvistor
>>All that notwithstanding, helping a CB'er build an antenna is like teaching
>>a gang-banger how to load an AK-47!
Why do you think this is so? If he can communicate more reliably and at a
greater range with a properly designed antenna (relatively cheap,if
homebrewed),
he just might not plunk down some greenbacks for a garage-grown "linear"
amplifier
(and yes, I do use the term loosely).
Did you just spontaneously absorb the knowledge needed to be a ham radio
operator or did you ask people that were more knowledgable than you were at the
time to help and guide you in the right direction? Politics aside, whatever
happened to just plain courtesy? Look inside the cover of your Handbook and
read item number four of the Amateur's Code. While not a legal requirement, it
just makes good sense.
73 Chris KC2BZH
Christopher Bucca KC2BZH
nuvi...@aol.com
If Ignorance is Bliss,
Then there are a lot of
Happy People out there!
WA8ULX
In article <19981103204711...@ngol06.aol.com>, nuvi...@aol.com
(Nuvistor) writes:
>Look inside the cover of your Handbook and
>read item number four of the Amateur's Code.
And no where does that state that you should assist Low Life CBers
Bill
community. Tear up your license and go away.
kc6ufe
Please remove the word "NOREPLY" from the email adress. Sorry for the
inconvenience, but it helps keep down the spam.
Bill
>
> In article <19981103204711...@ngol06.aol.com>, nuvi...@aol.com
> (Nuvistor) writes:
>
> >Look inside the cover of your Handbook and
> >read item number four of the Amateur's Code.
>
> And no where does that state that you should assist Low Life CBers
BEYNON, BRUCE A
1124 25TH ST NE
CANTON, OH 44714
WA8ULX
In article <363FDB...@NOREPLY.inreach.com>, Bill
<wha...@NOREPLY.inreach.com> writes:
>Not every CB'er is a lowlife, and you sir, are a disgrace to the amateur
>community. Tear up your license and go away.
>kc6ufe
Kiss off CBplusser, go back to 11 Meters where you belong, you dont even have
the right to claim Ham Status
WA8ULX
In article <363FDC...@NOREPLY.inreach.com>, Bill
<wha...@NOREPLY.inreach.com> writes:
>Call: WA8ULX Class: Advanced
>
> BEYNON, BRUCE A
> 1124 25TH ST NE
> CANTON, OH 44714
>
Now Jr. what is this supposed to prove, you know how to access QRZ, I notice
you dont use a Call sign, like hidding behind that Keyboard dont you CBer, I
guess no guts and probably a Coward
Bill
wanted the world to see who you were. I have seen a lot of people on the
CB band act just like you, resorting to name calling and other equally
disgusting tactics when they dont have any other resources at their
disposal, such as intelligence. (name calling there for the impaired)
KC6UFE
--
Bill
I really do feel sorry for you, but that is not what you want on you
little inflated ego power trip. Too bad. When the bubble bursts you will
find out you are really nothing.
gues...@what.how
>>I thought this NG was for antenna discussion!
>
>I guess you still don't know the difference between HAM and CB? Duh?
You don't make sense. We are suppose to be talking about antenna
situations here. But, we aren't. Why does that statement say that I
don't know the difference between HAM and CB?
>>everybody-else-is-an-ass-but-me
>>there-is-only-one-way-and-thats-my-way people like you.
>
>No. We're just people who obey the L A W. So go on freebanding, drunk
>driving, child molesting and whatever else you do for fun.
Right now we both are breaking the News Group rules. Are you telling
me you don't break any laws? Do you drive over the speed limit?
Free banding, Drunk Driving, Child molesting and whatever? I knew you
were one of those that are abusing the 75m band.
I happen to be one of the very few that drive the speed limit. I ID
every ten minutes. I give up the frequency if there is a net starting.
I don't park in fire lanes. I will not continue this useless
discussion with you.
>>{Help! my computer crashed and can't boot up...}
>
>Call Radio Shack
I suggest you stay off here til you learn what Tag-Lines are.
This will be my last off topic post here. 73 and have a nice day Ron,
de KF4ABM
WA8ULX
In article <363FF9...@NOREPLY.inreach.com>, Bill
<wha...@NOREPLY.inreach.com> writes:
>I really do feel sorry for you,
I dont need your pity looser
Bill
What you probably need is a life.
Ron N6AHA
Bill writes:
>>
>> >I really do feel sorry for you,
>>
>> I dont need your pity looser
>that would be "loser", Mr. namecaller.
>What you probably need is a life.
...and an 11 meter antenna?
Ron N6AHA
Mark Keith
>
> In article <19981031130949...@ngol02.aol.com>, wa8...@aol.com (WA8ULX) wrote:
>
> >This is pure Crap, no ham that has privilages for 10 would even consider
> >operating on 11 Meters.
>
> Contest" on 11.
Well if 11m is open 10m usually will be too. Just nobody is on talking.
Yep, but you are right about not hearing cq contest on 11m. It's
replaced by, breaker skipland, breaker skipland, this be the worldwide
radio boy online...anyone got their ears on? MK
Mark Keith
>
> Rick Kissell <rkis...@execpc.com> wrote:
>
> : I agree 100% that we be welcoming to newcomers-- but not to CBers who are
> : too ethically-impaired to stop illegal activities as long as there is no
> : effective law enforcement, and too lazy to get even a beginner's ham
> : license.
Thats kinda like spanking the dog BEFORE he messes on the floor. How do
you know the (quote) cb'er is operating illegal? Not all do you know.
How do you now he's lazy? Maybe he's never heard of ham radio. MK
WA8ULX
>Thats kinda like spanking the dog BEFORE he messes on the floor. How do
>you know the (quote) cb'er is operating illegal? Not all do you know.
>How do you now he's lazy? Maybe he's never heard of ham radio. MK
>
Yea and maybe he still lives under a ROCK
Dan K Nelson
>Bloody Viking wrote:
>>
>> Rick Kissell <rkis...@execpc.com> wrote:
>>
>> : I agree 100% that we be welcoming to newcomers-- but not to CBers who
are
>> : too ethically-impaired to stop illegal activities as long as there is
no
>> : effective law enforcement, and too lazy to get even a beginner's ham
>> : license.
>
>you know the (quote) cb'er is operating illegal? Not all do you know.
>How do you now he's lazy? Maybe he's never heard of ham radio. MK
How can not have heard of ham radio when so much of the talk on the CB band
is about is how to hack up a ham rig for 11 meters, or how to wire a
"Super-Echo Blaster" mike to a TS-520 or an FT-101 ?
73 de KF6KNB
CitySlicker
one to anyone. Anyone but your good buddy that is.
Rick Kissell wrote in message <717jmk$1...@newsops.execpc.com>...
>
>
>Nuvistor wrote:
>
>> I think an apology is in order and I will offer it to you on behalf
of the
>> walking sphincters that have already started to bust balls and those that
are
>> sure to follow.
>> Technically this is not a "CB" newsgroup, as several persons have
already
>> pointed out.
>
>I think Nuvistor could and should keep his apologies in his own name. If a
CBer
>gets tired of the endless ignorance found on both 11 meters and the CB
Usenet
>groups, he should GROW UP, leave Children's Band, and get a ham license!
>
>If the original poster had said something along the lines of "I'm in the
process of
>getting my first ham license, and I'd like advise about the following ham
antenna
>topic....", I'm SURE he would have gotten a helping hand from a number of
us.
>
>Rick WB9GYT
>
CitySlicker
CB Antennas". It will provide some fairly detailed info on constructing
various styles of beam antennas for the 11 meter band. If you have
questions come on over to the rec..radio.cb NG. There are plenty of
knowledgeable people who can help you out. More so then the self righteous
dinosaurs inhabiting this NG.
Freeland wrote in message ...
>
>Freeland wrote in message ...
>>Why don't he get some copper
>>wire and cut it 468/29m=16.14
>>feet/2=8.069 feet. supply
>>feedline (coax) center to one
>>side shield to other side.
>>Done!
>>
>>Mark Keith wrote in message
>><363A02...@wt.net>...
>>>Doug Younker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mark Keith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > After all the negative
>>feedback he's probably come
>to
>>the conclusion
>>>> > most hams ARE walking
>>sphincters and won't want
>>anything to do with
>>>> > them. tsk,tsk.. MK
>>>>
>>>> Given that it seems ike a
>>good many CB ops think Hams
>>are buttholes
>>>> already, maybe we should
>>relate the word troll to the
>>original post.
>>>> Believing it was a troll,
>I
>>didn't hesitate with the
>>sarcasm.
>>>
>>>I can't remember the
>original
>>post, but as the title to
>this
>>post is 11m
>>>beams I doubt it was a
>troll.
>>I'm always carefull on what I
>>say to
>>>certain groups of people,
>IE:
>>CBer's, etc. Just because
>they
>>don't have
>>>a ham ticket doesn't always
>>mean they are dummies. I've
>>seen some cber's
>>>that know more about
>radios's
>>than some hams. MK
>>
>>
>
>
Mark Keith
>
> Try www.amazon.com and order a book by William Orr titled "The Truth About
> CB Antennas". It will provide some fairly detailed info on constructing
> various styles of beam antennas for the 11 meter band.
orange cover. It also covers the gain questions and has a fairly
accurate (truth) table you can use to get a pretty good idea of the gain
for most antennas. But has a lot more different antenna projects than
the cb book I think. Covers HF and VHF. Has lots of practical antenna
projects.Wires and verticals, beams.ect. MK
Mike Sawyer
stop them from operating on our Newsgroup?
In article <71qmhi$nk9$1...@ultra.sonic.net>, "Ron N6AHA" <ro...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>Bill writes:
>>>
>>> >I really do feel sorry for you,
>>>
>>> I dont need your pity looser
>>that would be "loser", Mr. namecaller.
>>What you probably need is a life.
>
>
>....and an 11 meter antenna?
>
>Ron N6AHA
>
>
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CitySlicker
operating illegally. I assume you mean the use of amplifiers. Seems to me
there are plenty of over powered ham radios too. Regarding the ham license
it is not necessarily being lazy it could be the perceived benefit of having
one. If that means conversing (I am sure there is a "Q" code for this) with
the likes of people like you, Why bother, plenty of like minded (read that
as small minded) on 11 meter.
I have never read a post for mic wiring the radios mentioned here. People
running these radios are usually SSBers or freebanders and echoes are not
that prevalent there.
Dan K Nelson wrote in message <71tlpu$sgg$1...@news-1.news.gte.net>...
Mark Keith
>
> I find it hard to believe you think that it is only CB operators who are
> operating illegally. I assume you mean the use of amplifiers. Seems to me
> there are plenty of over powered ham radios too.
signal. On cb most have yet to learn the proper use of the mike gain
control. Half seem to splatter barefooted. MK
Regarding the ham license
> it is not necessarily being lazy it could be the perceived benefit of having
> one. If that means conversing (I am sure there is a "Q" code for this) with
> the likes of people like you, Why bother, plenty of like minded (read that
> as small minded) on 11 meter.
Q codes are not normally used for fone use in the ham bands. Considered
a goofy behavior pattern. They were and are intended for cw use. MK
Mark Keith
> >you know the (quote) cb'er is operating illegal? Not all do you know.
> >How do you now he's lazy? Maybe he's never heard of ham radio. MK
>
> How can not have heard of ham radio when so much of the talk on the CB band
> is about is how to hack up a ham rig for 11 meters, or how to wire a
> "Super-Echo Blaster" mike to a TS-520 or an FT-101 ?
>
> 73 de KF6KNB
Why anyone would want to ruin a nice radio with all that junk is beyond
me. MK
PhroggP
Listen on the bands, they are everywhere.
They can't copy c.w. either.
m0bqq
Two years ago I was a CBer / SWL, now I'm licenced I still use the CB
for local and DX. The students studying for the novice licence gather
on Ch 31 (27.90125Mhz) to discuss any problems they have with the course etc.
So as you can see we're not all cow boys on 11M.
Jon M0BQQ, Portland, UK
Don W6JL
>
> CB'ers are taking over ham radio anyways.
>
> Listen on the bands, they are everywhere.
>
> They can't copy c.w. either.
>
> w8...@juno.com
Hi OM,
Haven't heard a single pirate CB on 15/20/30/40/80/160 CW in the
past 43 years of operating. So I guess they are not 'everywhere',
and you just listed another advantage of CW that I had not numbered
amongst the many others that come to mind.
73!
Don, W6JL
greg
at least the cbrs are getting better info than they can get on cb
PhroggP wrote in message <19981206145800...@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
George T. Baker
be very different in the US as compared with Europe, etc. Different
regulations and usage, etc.
72/73, George
Amateur Radio W5YR, in the 53rd year and it just keeps getting better!
AutoPOWER Systems, Fairview, TX (30 mi NE Dallas) Collin County
QRP-L QRP-ARCI FISTS NORCAL ZOMBIE #522 ARS 10-X 33.2 N 96.6 W EM13RE
m0bqq wrote:
>
> Don't forget that a lot of CBers are hams just not yet.
>
> Two years ago I was a CBer / SWL, now I'm licenced I still use the CB
> for local and DX. The students studying for the novice licence gather
> on Ch 31 (27.90125Mhz) to discuss any problems they have with the course etc.
>
> So as you can see we're not all cow boys on 11M.
>
> Jon M0BQQ, Portland, UK
>
> > CB'ers are taking over ham radio anyways.
>
> > Listen on the bands, they are everywhere.
>
> > They can't copy c.w. either.
>
> > w8...@juno.com
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