Bagged DXCC #309 - Yemen w/W9INN Dipole
CJ
Just snagged my DXCC country #309 (all 309 on dipole!) - 7O/OH2YY
op-Pekka on 20m phone today. He was only s3 here but my W9INN 5-band /
resonant / legal-limit dipole at 54ft made it "duck soup". Ha came back
on my 3rd call....
Is this a great hobby or what? For complete info on the full line of
W9INN antennas click this link...
http://www.ab7sl.com/index.html?row1col2=w9inn.html
Tomorrow is Pekka's last day in Yemen. Better snag him while you
can!!!
--
73 / DX de Charles
AB7SL - Ham Radio Pages
www.ab7sl.com
Dave Holford
A "resonant / legal-limit" dipole, wow sounds spectacular.
Dave
CJ
It is really spectacular.
Bill Otten
Do you realize how clogged up this newsgroup would get if everyone 'pimped'
their latest DX and someone's "resonant/legal-limit dipole"? Get over
yourself okay? Their are thousands upon thousands of DXCC members over the
300 country range, and many who've done it with a simple dipole. Every
dipole is resonant somewhere.....making it 5 band is a no-brainer...and
legal limit is bogus. So quit spamming the newsgroups with your self
adorational advertisements-in-disguise. Nobody cares. When everyone is using
kilowatts even a lowly dipole can hear it with today's equipment...all you
have to have is a kilowatt to make it back. ( And don't split hairs telling
me the AL-811H can't do a kilowatt...it's within an S unit). Quit
prostituting yourself with these messages...they're really a bit much.
Bill KC9CS
"CJ" <wi...@irs.gov> wrote in message
news:udj3pp1...@corp.supernews.com...
Vito
>
> Oh Dave...
> It is really spectacular.
Congrats on the DX but you're too easily impressed. My XYL works friends
in Saudi Arabia and Turkey off a home-brew inverted V strung up under
the eves of the house on 100 watts. Sounds like your spectacular antenna
is *almost* as good :o)
73 K3DWW
Rick
Bill I doubt he even worked Yemen (Care to share the callsign Oh DX
Wizard) Its rumored one station is on but legality is suspect and his
signal is weak so I doubt Charles even heard him let alone worked him.
Ive not even heard this Yemen station and I have several Multi band
dipoles and a 3 ele beam.
He is only trying different ways to spam his crappy web page. Why
W9INN allows him to ruin his image I never know. CJ has some serious
personality problems.
Chuck
Rick <kf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3CDA8FF9...@yahoo.com...
> Bill Otten wrote:
>
<snip>
> He is only trying different ways to spam his crappy web page. Why
> W9INN allows him to ruin his image I never know. CJ has some serious
> personality problems.
Rick,
Charles' personality quirks aside, he's making money from the commercial ads,
and 'info mining' on his website. As far as his spamming this newsgroup, I find
it despicable... it's amazing how low folks will stoop to make a buck these
days!
73 de Chuck
Zargon the Confused
>> Is this a great hobby or what?
Hmmmm - back when I was a lad, they called it the "Amateur Radio
Service". But in this era of mois-centric thinking, the service
aspect is often far from the mind of the contemporary "hobbyist".
However I guess that goes hand-in-hand with the dumbed-down, rote
memory qualification requirements.
DuhDuhdididit didididuhduhhhh.
Bill Turner
<zar...@galacticenter.net> wrote:
>Hmmmm - back when I was a lad, they called it the "Amateur Radio
>Service". But in this era of mois-centric thinking, the service
>aspect is often far from the mind of the contemporary "hobbyist".
>However I guess that goes hand-in-hand with the dumbed-down, rote
>memory qualification requirements.
_________________________________________________________
His "handle" says it all.
Bill, W7TI
CAM
>
> >> Is this a great hobby or what?
>
> Hmmmm - back when I was a lad, they called it the "Amateur Radio
> Service". But in this era of mois-centric thinking, the service
> aspect is often far from the mind of the contemporary "hobbyist".
The definition of "service" in such organizations as the "Amateur
Radio Service" is "a governmental administrative division". The ARS
is "serviced" *by* the government *for* the benefit of the members
of the ARS. There is no service required *from* members of the ARS.
--
cheers, CAM http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp
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Zargon the Confused
amateur radio operators. With your new definitions, I guess we
shouldn't be surprised when the spectrum is re-allocated to commercial
enterprises that DO provides useful "services" to the voting public.
If amateur radio operators hope to retain a useful fraction of their
present frequency allocations, I suggest that they pursue a
service-oriented positioning in deed as well as word. A few
self-serving hobbiests lack meaningful political utility.
On Sat, 11 May 2002 08:54:30 -0500, CAM <Cecil....@IEEE.org>
wrote:
CAM
>
> Oh. And I always thought ARES and RACES were services provided by
It's not a new definition. Governmental administrative divisions
have been around for a long, long time. It is just a mistake to
believe that the "Service" in "Amateur Radio Service" means to
imply or require some service by members of the ARS. I agree that
we *should* engage in public "service" but that is a word with a
different definition.
> >The definition of "service" in such organizations as the "Amateur
> >Radio Service" is "a governmental administrative division". The ARS
> >is "serviced" *by* the government *for* the benefit of the members
> >of the ARS. There is no service required *from* members of the ARS.
Zargon the Confused
wrote:
>
>> >The definition of "service" in such organizations as the "Amateur
>> >Radio Service" is "a governmental administrative division". The ARS
>> >is "serviced" *by* the government *for* the benefit of the members
>> >of the ARS. There is no service required *from* members of the ARS.
Let's review Part 97 of the charter:
§97.1 Basis and purpose.
The rules and regulations in this Part are designed to provide an
amateur radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the
following principles:
(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to
the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service,
particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.
(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to
contribute to the advancement of the radio art.
(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules
which provide for advancing skills in both the communications and
technical phases of the art.
(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio
service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.
(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to
enhance international goodwill.
§97.3 Definitions.
(a) The definitions of terms used in Part 97 are:
(1) Amateur operator. A person holding a written authorization to be
the control operator of an amateur station.
(2) Amateur radio services. The amateur service, the amateur-satellite
service and the radio amateur civil emergency service.
(3) Amateur-satellite service. A radiocommunication service using
stations on Earth satellites for the same purpose as those of the
amateur service.
(4) Amateur service. A radiocommunication service for the purpose of
self-training, intercommunication and technical investigations carried
out by amateurs, that is, duly authorized persons interested in radio
technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary interest.
CJ
CAM
>
> On Sat, 11 May 2002 16:41:20 -0500, CAM <Cecil....@IEEE.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> >The definition of "service" in such organizations as the "Amateur
> >> >Radio Service" is "a governmental administrative division". The ARS
> >> >is "serviced" *by* the government *for* the benefit of the members
> >> >of the ARS. There is no service required *from* members of the ARS.
>
> Let's review Part 97 of the charter:
All well and good. But the "Amateur Radio Service" is still an administrative
division of the FCC administered by the FCC for the public good. The "Basis
and Purpose" has no legal power to require service from any individual member
of the ARS. Many members of the ARS are inactive with absolutely no negative
individual consequences. The discussion is not over whether the Basis and
Purpose is a good idea - it is. The discussion is about the definition of
"Service" in "Amateur Radio Service". That definition is, "an administrative
division", and it's in the dictionary. The "service" performed is the
administration of the Amateur Radio Service by the FCC for the benefit of
the citizens of the US.
Zargon the Confused
Amateur Radio Service. No question there. I fully agree with you.
But I never asked the question that's being answered. I merely
attempted a subtle reminder of the fact that the basis for any Radio
Service's existence, in a society that has rendered the RF spectrum a
scarce and valued commodity, is public service. If, en masse, we
forget the basis and purpose of the ARS, its raison d'etre (service),
then we run the risk of losing spectrum to activities that are more
clearly perceived to be real services with social or economic value.
Positioning what we do as "hobby", rather than "service" will, I
suspect, cost us considerable spectrum over the coming years. For this
reason, I balance my own on-air time between experimentation and
service. And I have deleted the word "hobby" from my amateur radio
vocabulary (because a hobby is engaged in primarily for pleasure and
does not typically connote service or useful purpose). I believe it
is important that we continuously position our activities in a light
that the public, and competing spectrum-seekers, view favorably. That
is how we will retain the privileges we enjoy at present.
Since I agreed with you, are we finished now? If so, 73 ES CUL OM.
CAM
> And I have deleted the word "hobby" from my amateur radio
> vocabulary (because a hobby is engaged in primarily for pleasure and
> does not typically connote service or useful purpose).
Since amateur radio is an avocation, the only hams who will provide
public service are the ones who experience public service as pleasurable.
There is not necessarily a contradiction between pleasure and public
service and a ham doesn't have to altruistically sacrifice himself in
order to provide such. I, for one, gain a lot of personal pleasure from
public service and therefore perform it for purely selfish reasons.
K7JEB
>> Zargon the Confused wrote:
>> And I have deleted the word "hobby" from my
>> amateur radio vocabulary (because a hobby
>> is engaged in primarily for pleasure and
>> does not typically connote service or
>> useful purpose).
> Cecil, W5DXP, wrote:
> Since amateur radio is an avocation, the only
> hams who will provide public service are the
> ones who experience public service as pleasurable.
> There is not necessarily a contradiction between
> pleasure and public service and a ham doesn't
> have to altruistically sacrifice himself in
> order to provide such. I, for one, gain a lot
> of personal pleasure from public service and
> therefore perform it for purely selfish reasons.
I think we are defining "public service" entirely
too narrowly. Way back when (around Newton Minow's
time), the FCC kept hammering on the point that all
telecommunications (and particularly broadcast
television) served the "Public Interest, Convenience
and Necessity (PICAN)". I think this is the "service"
Congress had in mind when it formed the FCC.
But just who is the "public" whose interest, convenience
and necessity is being served? Why it's *us*, of course.
Every time the OM or YL fires up the rig and gets on
the air, a certain segment of the public (the OM or YL)
is having its interest, convenience and necessity served.
Looked at that way, *all* amateur radio communication
is "public service".
(Shouldn't we take this discussion over to rrap)?
Obligatory Antenna Content: If AB7SL is going to
maintain a web site for W9INN, shouldn't it have tech
specs and drawings for the entire product line? I'm
interested in the 160/80/40 dipole and find no data
for it online. Expiring minds want to know!
...-.-
Jim Bromley, K7JEB k7jeb @ arrl.net
Glendale, Arizona
WGE
news:H4jE8.23601$Vm2.8...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net
>
> Obligatory Antenna Content: If AB7SL is going to
> maintain a web site for W9INN, shouldn't it have tech
> specs and drawings for the entire product line? I'm
> interested in the 160/80/40 dipole and find no data
> for it online. Expiring minds want to know!
>
> ...-.-
> Jim Bromley, K7JEB k7jeb @ arrl.net
> Glendale, Arizona
W9INN is almost 80 years old. How much production do you suppose
he is capable of?
[Crossposted for benefit of Charles/"Martin"/"rick"]
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>"K7JEB" <k7...@arrl.no_spam.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> Obligatory Antenna Content: If AB7SL is going to
>> maintain a web site for W9INN, shouldn't it have tech
>> specs and drawings for the entire product line? I'm
>> interested in the 160/80/40 dipole and find no data
>> for it online. Expiring minds want to know!
W9INN can be phoned at 847-394-3414.
Bob
k5qwg
WGE
Yep, and according to reviews at eHam.net, he's putting the W9INN
dipoles out at a pretty good rate
.
drg...@ziplink.net
If you think for one minute that the feds and the politicians
recognize amateur radio's value as a public service, you're
smoking some pretty good crack. The pols don't even know
ham radio -exists-, let alone the value it does or doesn't provide
in terms of public service. The only people that know about
ham radio in these situations are the people that work alongside
the hams in these situations; wether it be local civil defense
guys, or just citizens that you bump into along the way of doing
your "job".
The feds let us stay on the bands because they know we're "radio
enthusiasts" to the extreme and they can't kick us off, nor do they
have the capability to. Only the sheeple believe that the FCC is
omnipotent; but what a lie that is, just take a look at 11 meters.
The only reason they got away with throwing away bands to commercial
and public entities over the years is because so few hams were using
those bands that they became deprecated in usefulness to amateur
radio. The best way to "save" spectrum is simply to use it. The
FCC isn't going to dump bands that are being actively used. They
dumped the bottom portion of 220 mhz because the band in general was
dead in 99.9% of the locales in the US. Even today you can only find
handfuls of repeaters/beacons on 220, and most of them are located in
dense or built up areas like california where 2M and 440 are allocated
to the brim. Most other places 220 is a ghost town, of sorts. It
probably doesnt also help the situation that a lot of the newer rigs
don't have 220 intrinsically in the radio; so the price of admission
is generally high or inconvenient.
The -real- reason for doing public service as a ham radio operator
is it makes the ham feel good being able to use his abilities to help
his community in somel way or another, wether its helping out
during a fundraising event or coordinating comms in an emergency
situation of one kind or another. That is the only reason I'd
do it, and It's still a legitimate reason. Bribing people into ARES
or RACES as a carrot to protecting ham radio is definitely the wrong
way about it, because either of these services have NOTHING to
do with the "self preservation" of radio. It might help
coincidentally, but the -real- way to save amateur radio is to get
more people on the air in general, and keep them operating.
-Mike
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