Butternut users
Perge
money,any tuning problems,ground mounted vs. tower mounted etc...?
Thanks,Joe
Larry Bratcher
research before buying and all indicators say the Butternut is the best
vertical on the market. Of course, I would like a beam with a rotor but
can't have it in my neighborhood. Follow the instructions for tuning and
you won't need a tuner except for maybe the lower bands. I have my ground
mounted with about 8 radials of diferent lengths in a pie shape around the
base. All in all, if you want or need a vertical, get the Butternut.
"Perge" <pe...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr.
I have a ground mounted Butternut HF9V, it's been up over 2 years now
and I couldn't be more pleased with it.
Best store bought antenna I ever finally figured out how to get
together, hi hi.....
TTUL
Gary
jh-lewis
it's performance. Over the years I've compared Cushcraft, and GAP antennas,
and ended up keeping the Butternut.
Mine is ground mounted with about 32 buried radial wires (laid out in a
spoke fashion) and works like a charm for DX.
Best bang for the buck antenna on the market - but - I won't sit here and
say there is a tremendous amount of difference between it and a wire
antenna, if you have room to put on up. That debate has been going on for a
long long time. Various comparisons (I like fiddling with antennas)
between my HF6V and a G5RV (102') and a 125' long wire had the vertical and
wire antennas running neck and neck in most instances. And putting up a
dipole or G5RV is a heck of a lot cheaper than any commercial vertical.
For an excellent vertical go with the Butternut, but first, play around with
some wire...
John
Dennis Edey
antennas that find their way to VK, i had the first GAP TITAN in VK, some
years back,while it is a good antenna,the Butternut series of antennas i
find to be a better option,at present i run a HF2V with the TBR160 kit it is
ground mounted,4 ground plane wires buried,and works very well,have worked
east Coast USA on 160mtrs,good bang for the buck i feel
rgds Dennis.
ps
have had
Titan
DX88
DX77
R5
R7
reckon the HF6V is tops,HB9CQV has been running a HF6V on hia apartment roof
for years and i havn't heard him under S7 on PTC2
Den
pe...@attglobal.net wrote:
> Comments from Butternut vertical antenna users- Good,bad,worth the
> money,any tuning problems,ground mounted vs. tower mounted etc...?
> Thanks,Joe
>
Have had a B'nut forever, since before the WARC bands... started @ 5
bands (10,15,20,40,80) now 8 bands (added 12,17 & 30). Been roof
mounted (blew off in an ice storm!)now on the ground w 12 radials.
10,15 & 20 were better with it @ 26 feet. 40 & 30 are great with it on
the ground. 80M is very narrow, to be expected for a short vertical.
40M will cover one end or the other. Full coverage possible on all the
other bands.
Go for it, ground mount it and put down a decent radial system....
you'll be happy.
73
Den Spiess W2DEN _._
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Before you buy.
Roger
I have a HF2V still in the box with the TBR160 kit. I have this for sometime
now and just wondering how to install it on my rooftop as there are no other
place to install it because a lot of houses nearby. I just need an expert
advise from you guys who have installed and had been using the Butternut
Antenna. Here in the Middle East, most of the houses have flat rooftop. It is
used as playground, store area and for drying washed clothes. So I need to
install the antenna higher about 10 feet. Now if I install the HF2V using a mast
of 10feet, how long are the radials required and does it make any difference if
the radials are installed 45 degrees from the feed point down to the roof like
guy wires? Please help.
TIA and 73,
Max
Den
The B'nut 'tuned' radial kit should work well on a flat roof. Yes you
can put the antenna on a 10 ft mast and then droop the radials to the
roof.
If the radials are flat, not drooped, you will experience a slight miss-
match but it should be tolerable.
Otherwise start with 4 radials ~10% longer than 1/4 wave for your
longest wavelength you wish to operate. If you have troublew with the
shorter xavelengths then you may need 4 per band... (4 for 40 for 80
and 4 for 160) as the roof is flat it should be ez to play around with.
73
Den W2DEN _._
In article <39A50890...@hotmail.com>,
Roger <mbj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a HF2V still in the box with the TBR160 kit. I have this for
sometime
> now and just wondering how to install it on my rooftop as there are
no other
> place to install it because a lot of houses nearby. I just need an
expert
> advise from you guys who have installed and had been using the
Butternut
> Antenna. Here in the Middle East, most of the houses have flat
rooftop. It is
> used as playground, store area and for drying washed clothes. So I
need to
> install the antenna higher about 10 feet. Now if I install the HF2V
using a mast
> of 10feet, how long are the radials required and does it make any
difference if
> the radials are installed 45 degrees from the feed point down to the
roof like
> guy wires? Please help.
>
> TIA and 73,
>
> Max
>
> Dennis Edey wrote:
>
--
Den Spiess
n4...@my-deja.com
Roger <mbj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a HF2V still in the box with the TBR160 kit. I have this for
sometime
> now and just wondering how to install it on my rooftop as there are
no other
> place to install it because a lot of houses nearby. I just need an
expert
> advise from you guys who have installed and had been using the
Butternut
> Antenna. Here in the Middle East, most of the houses have flat
rooftop. It is
> used as playground, store area and for drying washed clothes. So I
need to
> install the antenna higher about 10 feet. Now if I install the HF2V
using a mast
> of 10feet, how long are the radials required and does it make any
difference if
> the radials are installed 45 degrees from the feed point down to the
roof like
> guy wires? Please help.
radial system. Still the more 1/4 wave radials in the air the better
the antenna will work. I use aluminum electric fence wire and
insulators for the in the air ground system. It's cheap and works very
well. The wire is also almost invisable when installed. If you cant get
full 1/4 wave radials up for the 3 bands your HF2V/TBR-160 butternut
will cover simply put up a wire at the outer most points of the area
that the radials will be installed and make it a large loop. Then
connect as many radials to this wire as you can. This makes a very good
random type in the air ground system. It will couple to the ground
under it and make the ground system that much better. I have lot's of
information about Butternut vertical HF antennas on my web site. The
Butternut file starts at the following address...
http://n4zou.homestead.com/files/butternut.htm . Here you can build a
remote antenna tuner that is placed across the 80 or even the 160 meter
coil and allows you to remote tune the antenna on the 160,80, and 40
meter bands. It is nothing more than a single motor driven capacitor
across the 80 or 160 meter coil. There is also a file on making a tilt
over mount so the antenna can be dropped out of sight when not in
operation. There is also a link to download manuals and factory
information from Bencher. Good luck with your antenna and 73... Scott
MBJ
Sorry, I was just using my friend Roger computer yesterday. Thanks for the
info. What gauge of wire is recommended for the radials and can I use GI
wire if I can't get copper wire?
73,
de Max A45ZX
MBJ
Thanks a lot for the info.
73,
Max
Den
> The ground system will work better in the air than an in ground
> radial system.
I have found, from working with my B'nut both elevated and on the
ground, that:
If you can not get the antenna high enough to "decouple" it from the
ground, performance will be degraded. Minimum height is 1/4 wavelength.
For 20M and shorter this is easy. But for 80, 40 and 30M a vertical
will work MUCH better on the ground, with a radial system, than it will
at a low height such as 20 feet!
I am not saying it won't work, it will radiate, but the B'nut on the
ground with 12 radials will do MUCH better than if it is mounted at 26
feet with 4 radials (the B'nut radial kit) on 30, 40 and 80M!
...
If you are below 1/4 wave in height... think about ground mounting.
73
Den W2DEN _._