How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.
Radium
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl=en&
:
> Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:
> >On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/696d6abf90c...
> >> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?
> >Digital cell phones should stop using the compression they use and
> >start using monaural WMA compression with a CBR of 20 kbps or less and
> >a sample rate of at least 44.1 KHz.
> Very roughly, the current 8Kbits/sec encoding rate,
> compared to your 44Kbit/sec, will only handle about 1/5th the number
> of users.
Who said anything about 44Kbit/sec?
The bit-rate of my WMA CBR is 20Kbit/sec or less.
> >1. In its uncompressed form, the audio must have a bit-resolution of
> >at least 16-bit
> The encoding resolution is not changed by compression. If you encode
> something with 16 bit resolution, and compress it, you still have 16
> bit data coming out. It's the data rate or thruput that changes with
> compression.
Okay.
> >2. The sample-rate of the compressed and the uncompressed version of
> >the audio must be the same.
> Not possible. If the rate in and rate out are identical, then there's
> no compression happening.
Yes it is possible and it is compression. The uncompressed audio is a
monaural linear PCM at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a 16-bit-resolution
-- this audio has a bit-rate of 705.6 kbps. The compressed audio is a
monaural CBR WMA at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a bit-rate of 20 kbps or
less.
Where/when is there any change in sample-rate?????????
There is definitely a change in bit-rate. However, that is totally
different from the sample-rate. Totally.
BIT-rate and SAMPLE-rate are two completely different things.
In linear PCM audio:
BIT-rate = SAMPLE-rate X bit-resolution X number of channels
Stereo has two channels. Mono has one channel.
44,100 Hz X 16-bit X 1 channel = 705,600 bps
Kurt
Radium <gluc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl=
> en&
> :
>
> > Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:
>
> > >On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/696d6abf90c...
>
> > >> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?
>
I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.
I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.
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Brenda Ann
"Kurt" <labo...@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
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> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.
You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
plan). ?
Madhav "DogFocker" Acharya
Thx.
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comfy under it?
Proclamation: "A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on.
However, he
should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the
meat to the people in Nepal; Ok I did so beat me with a Yeti dick.
Don Bowey
CpWdnUYtnrpPVzzb...@giganews.com, "Brenda Ann"
<bre...@shinbiro.com> wrote:
I wouldn't want facts to get in the way of your rant, but you really seem to
be misinformed or don't care for the facts.
Don Bowey
labolide-AEBDD9...@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
<labo...@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> In article <1184978126.8...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Radium <gluc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in
>>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl>>
=
>> en&
>> :
>>
>>> Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:
>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/696d6abf90c...
>>
>>>>> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?
>>
> I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
> phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
> their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.
Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
an idiot.
>
> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.
You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
something they forced you to buy?
Kurt
Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?
Don Bowey
labolide-FDDD0E...@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
<labo...@spacegmail.com> wrote:
Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.
The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.
Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.
So, what was your point?
Don
Kurt Ullman
Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
> > Why the iPod?
>
> Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
> wanting a very cool instrument with good features.
Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.
Don Bowey
kurtullman-A7FC3...@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx,
"Kurt Ullman" <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You are reading in something I did not say.
The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
will likely antagonize Apple supporters.
RHF
>
> "Kurt Ullman" <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > In article <C2C78F75.70C91%dbo...@comcast.net>,
> > Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>> You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
> >>> Why the iPod?
>
> >> Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
> >> wanting a very cool instrument with good features.
>
> > Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
> > public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
> > this as a positive.
>
> You are reading in something I did not say.
>
> The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
> I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
> now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
> that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
> will likely antagonize Apple supporters.
IPhone Buyers and Users -and- Apple Supporters
may not be one and the same. ~ RHF
RHF
>
> <labol...@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <C2C76B2D.70C11%dbo...@comcast.net>,
> > Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
> >> <labol...@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> In article <1184978126.894452.166...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> >>> Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> =
> >>>> en&
> >>>> :
>
> >>>>> Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:
>
> >>>>>> On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
> >>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/696d6abf90c...
>
> >>>>>>> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?
>
> >>> I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
> >>> phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
> >>> their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.
>
> >> Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
> >> an idiot.
>
> >>> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.
>
> >> You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
> >> something they forced you to buy?
>
> > You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
> > Why the iPod?
>
> Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
> wanting a very cool instrument with good features.
Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success {?}
is due to people wanting {Gotto Have the Latest} a very cool
instrument {Newest Bells and Whistles} with good features
{of Questionable Utlity}.
-RANT-
While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .
http://www.firststreetonline.com/product.jsp?id=50814&promotion=86678&PID=1583978
Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
the Cellphone providers to design and market these
Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF
>
> The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
> features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
> iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
> access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
> who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.
>
> Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.
>
> So, what was your point?
>
> Don- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Don Bowey
1185045590.4...@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com, "RHF"
<rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
(snip)
> Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success {?}
> is due to people wanting {Gotto Have the Latest} a very cool
> instrument {Newest Bells and Whistles} with good features
> {of Questionable Utlity}.
>
> -RANT-
> While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
> and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
> we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .
>
http://www.firststreetonline.com/product.jsp?id=50814&promotion=86678&PID=158397
8
That's as ugly as they get.....
> Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
> offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
> Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
> Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
> the Cellphone providers to design and market these
> Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF
(snip)
Lots of reasons..... Here's a couple:
* We senior citizens aren't perceived as being a large enough market.
* We aren't a cohesive group of a same mind. I'm one, but I'd have an
iPhone in a minute just cause it is cool, if it weren't for the ridiculous
rate structures.
RHF
> Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
> offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
> Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
> Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
> the Cellphone providers to design and market these
> Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF
>
>
>
>
>
> > The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
> > features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
> > iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
> > access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
> > who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.
>
> > Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.
>
> > So, what was your point?
>
> > Don- Hide quoted text -
>
>
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- S N I P -
RADIUM,
The please keep 'your' OT crap! OFF of Rec.Radio.Shortwave
* The Theard Goes Where The Thread Goes
* That Is The Nature Of NewsGroups
- I had to start a new thread because some
- jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.
Relevance in in the Mind of the Poster.
Right now since the 'topic' is CellPhones - I makes me wonder
what kind of Cellphone and Service Provider others here may
have . . .
OK starting with me :
I have a Motorla RAZR V3 via AT&T {Cingular} Wireless
and I do not want any changes to the Cellphone
Broadcasting System [.]
Keep Posting Your Scientific and Cellphone BS to
Rec.Radio.Shortwave and you will see replying to
it with what ever comes into my mind and inviting
others hear to do the same.
However, leave Rec.Radio.Shortwave "Off" your
Cross-Posting List and you won't have to deal
with me. Now woldn't that be nice.
Say Cuhulin do you have a CellPhone ?
David I know you must have a Cellphone.
Bet-Ya Telamon has a Cellphone.
Wondering -if- DX Ace has a Cellphone ?
Burr way over in the PI - you got a Cellphone over there ?
Hey Back At You "Radium" Wondering . . .
You Gotta Cellphone and who is your Service Provider ?
IF YOU GOT A CELLPHONE LET RADIUM HEAR ABOUT IT !
I B 'rhf' Listening to my Shortwave Radio
with my Cellphone near-by bye bye ~ RHF
.
On the Internet Everyone Knows - I Am A Jerk !
.
.
. .
D Peter Maus
There was a time that was true. Not so much since about OS X.2.
Truth is that I had a Mac on line at work since '89, and from home
since '84, and with the exception of those who bothered to read the
headers in e-mail, no one ever knew it. I've had my Macs and my PC's
talking to each other the entire time.
As long as the output files are the same format, there's no more
compatibility issue between Mac and Windows than between HP and Dell
printers. And with Solaris and Linux making a showing in the
marketplace, compatibility in general has become largely a non issue.
That's why the pissing match between the Microsoft and the keepers of
standards is such a concern. Because if MS has their way, their
proprietary formats, will continue to play havoc with compatibility
between platforms that currently play well together using standards
compliant output.
On my Macs, I use only open source software with the exception of one
or two Apple branded programs for document and presentation creation.
With the exception of nicer, more eye catching documents, and
presentations with full animation and stereo sound, none of my
colleagues can tell that I've used a Mac.
On my PC's the only MS software is the OS. Everything else...
browser, IM client, office suite...everything, is open source.
The ONLY time I've ever had a compatibility issue is using MS
software. And that's been true for more than a decade, now.
RHF
> Brenda Ann wrote:
> > "Kurt" <labol...@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
DPM - I would suspect that you are right most of my
PC related problems have come from MicroSoft (MS)
Software related issues. ~ RHF
Didn't Wal*Mart offer some PC that had a Linux OS
with some of there store brand Computer Systems
for a while ? => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,2125057,00.htm
Now Wal*Mart seems to have gone the other way
and now offers Dell Computer Systems in their
stores.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/24/wal-mart-set-to-sell-dell-desktops-in-june/
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7DF1439F930A15757C0A965958260
.
.
. .
Brenda Ann
"D Peter Maus" <DPete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:rjxoi.86$iX3...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
My biggest problem with Mac (I like the machines, always have) is the
relative lack of software available for them. For instance, I have several
video editing applications, and several internet webcasting applications,
and they cannot be duplicated in Mac. (or at least they could not). I'll
concede that their machines, and to an extent their OS, are very reliable.
Kurt
What's even worse is how MS thumbs their nose at making an HTML/CSS
compliant browser.
All the non-standard workarounds we need to do to get some HTML and much
CSS to appear properly in PCIE is ridiculous.
Kurt
"Brenda Ann" <bre...@shinbiro.com> wrote:
The proprietary stuff will always be an issue (yes, not having
DesignMyCloset couyld be an issue for some people).
Final Cut Pro is pretty swell for most of the pro world.
Kurt
Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
Never said they do. People want to buy iPhones and iPods because of the
ease of use and right-on-the-nose product design. Then there is the
coolness factor.
Why is this so hard for other companies to do?
Michael A. Terrell
>
> * We senior citizens aren't perceived as being a large enough market.
http://www.jitterbug.com/Phones.aspx
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Kurt
Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
Far better for data than anyone else's offerings. Take a look.
I need reading glasses for my Treo, but there are those who simply want
a phone with large numbers and no features other than voice.
Kurt
<kurtullman-A7FC3...@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx
>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
We had these same naysayers in these groups who were predicting the flop
of iPhone a week before it came out. The more rabid ones disappeared.
Now we have this more ambiguous approach.
Kurt
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.
Michael A. Terrell
>
> Never said they do. People want to buy iPhones and iPods because of the
> ease of use and right-on-the-nose product design.
'Right-on-the-nose product design'? What you like and want may be
totally useless to a lot of other people. When i saw that Iphone on TV,
I thought it looked like another useless piece of junk. 'Right on' is
doing what you need, and doing it as easily and cheap as possible. Not
cramming every damn gimmick and stupid idea you can come up with. There
are already complaints about battery life. Don't you even wonder how
much longer it would work without all the crap?
Don Bowey
nfCdnQ3t-4ojLD_b...@giganews.com, "Brenda Ann"
<bre...@shinbiro.com> wrote:
I've been a Mac user since the MacIIci. Usually, at home, I stayed one
model ahead of what I got at work. My primary home computer now is a recent
MacBook Pro, and I like it, but Apple's think different finally got to me.
When I decided to do some serious video/DVD work and discovered there was no
way to get video into the Mac except through a digital camera or a $300 box,
I just bought a PC tower and equipped it with a PCI card, which works fine.
Hardware and software for the PC is much less expensive than for the Mac and
it does a great job. Also, Windows XP is a trouble free system. I'll
probably add XP as a native system to the MacBook Pro too. I have two Macs
and two PCs on my home wireless lan and all have high speed internet access
and at least one printer to share off the Mac Airport. The PCs were at
least as easy to integrate as the Macs. Word, Excel, photo, and music files
are shared by all.
Kurt
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Kurt wrote:
> >
> > Never said they do. People want to buy iPhones and iPods because of the
> > ease of use and right-on-the-nose product design.
>
>
> 'Right-on-the-nose product design'? What you like and want may be
> totally useless to a lot of other people. When i saw that Iphone on TV,
> I thought it looked like another useless piece of junk. 'Right on' is
> doing what you need, and doing it as easily and cheap as possible. Not
> cramming every damn gimmick and stupid idea you can come up with. There
> are already complaints about battery life. Don't you even wonder how
> much longer it would work without all the crap?
Yes, for you, buy a phone with large numbers and voice only.
I'm a lot older than you and the iPhone does it right for 90% of what
people really want.
Youth market fuels gimmicks. Ringtones reap untold millions.
Kurt
Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
You really enjoy that MS interface?
Scott
news:labolide-89B489...@news.giganews.com:
>
> I'm a lot older than you and the iPhone does it right for 90% of what
> people really want.
And what do you base this claim on?
Brenda Ann
Do people REALLY want something that is easily broken, lost or stolen that
would pretty much give away their entire life if it fell into the hands of
someone else? And hey, my iPaq does most of what the iPhone does. Besides,
sometimes I want to do more than one thing at a time. For that it takes more
than one device. Cute gimmick, yeah, and young people will buy any gimcrack
that comes out just to be "kewl". That doesn't make it worth what they're
paying for it.
As far as Apple being the be all and end all of gimmickry, I have a very
nice (and reliable) mp3/video player with a 60GB HDD in it that cost me far
less than a similar iPod, and I don't have to deal with proprietary files.
Don Bowey
labolide-5E65B6...@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
<labo...@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> In article <C2C819E1.70D66%dbo...@comcast.net>,
> Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
(snip)
>>
>> I've been a Mac user since the MacIIci. Usually, at home, I stayed one
>> model ahead of what I got at work. My primary home computer now is a recent
>> MacBook Pro, and I like it, but Apple's think different finally got to me.
>> When I decided to do some serious video/DVD work and discovered there was no
>> way to get video into the Mac except through a digital camera or a $300 box,
>> I just bought a PC tower and equipped it with a PCI card, which works fine.
>> Hardware and software for the PC is much less expensive than for the Mac and
>> it does a great job. Also, Windows XP is a trouble free system. I'll
>> probably add XP as a native system to the MacBook Pro too. I have two Macs
>> and two PCs on my home wireless lan and all have high speed internet access
>> and at least one printer to share off the Mac Airport. The PCs were at
>> least as easy to integrate as the Macs. Word, Excel, photo, and music files
>> are shared by all.
>
> You really enjoy that MS interface?
It works trouble free and there isn't all that much difference between the
XP interface and many of the Mac interfaces. I can make the XP interface
appear about any way I wish. When I'm in a Word or Excel document, and many
other types, there isn't any interface difference between OSX and XP.
Do you have a specific point you wish to make?
Don Bowey
-aidnXqikI8STT_b...@giganews.com, "Brenda Ann"
<bre...@shinbiro.com> wrote:
I have an original iPod and my wife has a nano, and we don't have to deal
with proprietary files either.
What's your point?
D Peter Maus
Yeah, they did for awhile. And Lindows, IIRC. Even a basic machine to
which you could bring your own O/S.
They didn't sell well.
Truth is, that there are two things that play heavily against non-MS
systems, today. There is the FUD spread by MS itself. The shadow of
lawsuits against users of Linux, and other non-MS O/S's. The huge mass
of mis and disinformation about MS compatibility, and the refusal of
many network sysadmins to even consider non-MS product on their
networks. And the built in compatibility restraints that MS builds into
their code. Especially to drive upgrades to more recent product at end
user cost, despite the fact that the end user's product is, in fact,
perfectly serviceable. MS turns off functionality when they want to
force an upgrade. Something I've had first had dealings with. Something
I also forced MS to turn back on with some very loud and very public
complaints.
Then there is the fact that Linux other systems are not quite user
friendly. Not that Windows is any prize, but it's familiar. The Devil
you know, and all that. As Linux becomes more user friendly, market
share will increase. This is what's driving the shadow of lawsuits and
the tribute payments MS has extracted from Novell and other purveyors of
Linux.
They've made similar noise against Apple for years. And even as
recently as a year and a half ago, threatened to pull the Mac division
from their catalog.
So, alternative systems are not selling well. And as they make
inroads, you can watch Redmond play different and more aggressive games
to spread FUD about non MS product.
None of it's true.
But if you afraid to believe, you don't ever take the step.
D Peter Maus
The applications...very likely are not duplicated under Mac, no.
Their functionality will be found in other apps, however. Especially in
video and audio editing. Most of them in open source, or at least
standards compliant apps. The challenge is finding them.
There are websites that are dedicated to nothing but video and audio
apps for Macintosh. The names escape me at the moments, but if you do a
websearch you can find thousands of audio, video and webcasting apps for
Mac. Some of which are produced by Apple.
RHF
> "Kurt" <labol...@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <46A2C55E.913D0...@earthlink.net>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
BAD,
Let see to date I have never used the Camera
on my Motorola RAZR V3 Cellphone -and-
only down loaded on Ring Tone {Tune} :
"Hello Goodbye" -by- The Beattles
Two of the three iPhone owners that I know of
are ready to show everyone their iPhones . . .
but the third one already has a broken LCD
Display Screen. Oops ! They each average
$100 plus a Month in their AT&T Bill just for
the priviledge of saying : Hey Look At My iPhone !
As for me give me something like a "JitterBug"
Cellphone design with Senior Citizens in mind.
http://www.firststreetonline.com/product.jsp?id=50814&promotion=86678&PID=1583978
-but- make it comatable with the AT&T Wireless
System.
Back to the Suject of Shortwave Radio :
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keeping the $pirit of Dr Gene $cott alive -by- Teaching and
Preaching the BIBLE Word for Word -If- You see Her on
TV She has taken to wearing the Gene $cott "Look" right
down to the Shoes :o) => http://www.drgenescott.org/
Has Her own website WWW . Pastor Melissa $cott . Com
PMS => http://www.pastormelissascott.com/
WWCR =>
Say "PMS" is that a recurring Prophecy ?
Yes it is "That Time* of the Month Again . . .
. . . . . . . When We Ask For Money !" :o)
* Hell It Is Always Time To Ask For Money !
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. .
Michael A. Terrell
>
> In article <46A2C55E...@earthlink.net>,
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Kurt wrote:
> > >
> > > Never said they do. People want to buy iPhones and iPods because of the
> > > ease of use and right-on-the-nose product design.
> >
> >
> > 'Right-on-the-nose product design'? What you like and want may be
> > totally useless to a lot of other people. When i saw that Iphone on TV,
> > I thought it looked like another useless piece of junk. 'Right on' is
> > doing what you need, and doing it as easily and cheap as possible. Not
> > cramming every damn gimmick and stupid idea you can come up with. There
> > are already complaints about battery life. Don't you even wonder how
> > much longer it would work without all the crap?
>
> Yes, for you, buy a phone with large numbers and voice only.
I already have a very good digital camera, and I don't like to listen
to music through earphones or headsets. Blow all your money on gimmicks
now, so all you can afford to eat when you retire is Chinese canned cat
food.
> I'm a lot older than you and the iPhone does it right for 90% of what
> people really want.
Really? How old would that be?
> Youth market fuels gimmicks. Ringtones reap untold millions.
Youth are generally ignorant and very wasteful.
For you I would have to buy the "Braying Jackass" ringtone. OTOH,
someone who doesn't want to be bothered when he's not home doesn't need
anything more than 911 capability on a cell phone and I can do that for
free. I have boxes full of used, working cell phones with good
batteries that the recyclers won't pay for. I might as well use up the
old batteries before I give them to the local battered women's group.
They have a good supply at the moment, so why dump more on them? They
will need new batteries before they are given out, and the used
batteries are shipped off for recycling.
The newer phones go to charity to raise money for Disabled, and other
Veterans groups.
RHF
>
> - Show quoted text -
FUD = Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt a Sales or Marketing
Strategy of disseminating Negative (and vague) Information
on a Competitor's Product.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt
.
.
. .
Kurt
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> For you I would have to buy the "Braying Jackass" ringtone. OTOH,
Troll plonk.
Michael A. Terrell
>
> In article <46A2E8C7...@earthlink.net>,
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > For you I would have to buy the "Braying Jackass" ringtone. OTOH,
>
> Troll plonk.
Yes, you are a troll. Goodbye.
Todd Allcock
> Do people REALLY want something that is easily broken, lost or stolen
> that would pretty much give away their entire life if it fell into the
> hands of someone else?
No, but many of us do want an all-in-one device, rather than schlep
separate phones, PDAa, cameras, etc.
I use a PPC phone, and my data's password protected. Not a perfect
failsafe against loss, but I'm not exactly James Bond keeping Her
Majesty's Secrets out of the hands of SPECTRE either...
> And hey, my iPaq does most of what the iPhone does.
So you pick on iPhone buyers for wanting an all-in-one device while using
a competitive all-in-one? You might as well make fun of Coke drinkers
for downing wasted empty calories, then say "and I prefer Pepsi anyway!"
> Besides,
> sometimes I want to do more than one thing at a time. For that it takes
more
> than one device.
Depends on how well designed the device is- theoretically I could shoot
pictures on my PPC phone while talking on the phone (with my bluetooth
headet) but I haven't actually needed to.
> Cute gimmick, yeah, and young people will buy any gimcrack
> that comes out just to be "kewl". That doesn't make it worth what
they're
> paying for it.
I think the iPhone is overpriced personally, but I don't condemn the
concept because of it, just as I think Lexus' cars are overpriced as well
but don't condemn all automobiles because of it.
> As far as Apple being the be all and end all of gimmickry, I have a
very
> nice (and reliable) mp3/video player with a 60GB HDD in it that cost me
far
> less than a similar iPod,
To be fair, you use a player that didn't exist before the iPod proved it
market-viable. The MP3 player market was floundering in a sea of akward
to use flash-memory players (like my Rio 500) that were battling each
other on cost vs. capacity. It took Apple to say "people will pay more
for a device with a large, easy to read screen and a huge capacity." And
they were right.
And not to pick on the Apple faithful, but can we cut this hooey about
"perfect design" and "ergonomics?" The iPods' menus are just as idiotic,
confusing and non-intuitive as ever other MP3 player out there- the
difference was an easy-to-read multiline display that could indicate
where in the menu system you were. My Rio 500's menuing system was no
easier or harder to understand than my Nano's, it was just harder to
navigate through it a one-line, grey, pocket-calculator-style, LCD panel.
> and I don't have to deal with proprietary files.
Another iPod basher that apparently has never actually used one: iPod
owners do not "have to deal with proprietary files." I have several MP3
players lying around, including an iPod Nano. The iPod doesn't use
"proprietary files"- it plays MP3s I drag to it's drive letter just like
all of my other MP3 players. (Yes, Apple fans, I know I'm missing out on
the whole "iTunes experience"- sue me. I've used computers since before
the GUI, and MP3 players since before the iPod and I don't do "playlists"
and "media syncing"- I drag albums to my player and play them in their
entirety.) Having said that, iPods CAN use non-MP3 .aiff files, but
they're no more (or less) proprietary than the Microsoft .wma files many
players, including yours, probably, can play as well. Like .wma, they
offer better sound quality in a smaller file, but also like .wma, they
cause compatiblity issues since all players can't play them, forcing many
of us to stick with (inferior) MP3 files.
--
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Bob Miller
this stuff where no one really wants to read it.
bob
k5qwg
DaveC
Do away with GPS location reporting.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, US author,
diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
--
DaveC
m...@bogusdomain.net
This is an invalid return address
Please reply in the news group
Todd Allcock
> Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
> Mac delivers, like them or not.
Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.
In the iPhone's case, the potential market is fairly large, but not the
entire cellphone market, like our resident troll "none" believes, simply
because the entire cellphone market is not interested in smartphones,
regardless of how "smart" the phone is. Many people simply won't trade a
physical 12-key phone dialpad for access to Youtube or Google, period.
I'm not in that category obviously, nor are you, but the VAST majority of
people simply are. Those people, even if they were clamoring for an MP3
phone, would likely prefer a ROKR to an iPhone!
RHF
> > How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.
>
>
> "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, US author,
> diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
> --
> DaveC
> m...@bogusdomain.net
> This is an invalid return address
> Please reply in the news group
DC,
No Problem - You Already Have An Alien Implant That
Allows Us To Track You 24/7 Throughout the Gallaxy.
we are here and we are watching you ~ RHF The Grey
.
.
. .
Kurt
Todd Allcock <elecc...@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:
>
> > Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
> > Mac delivers, like them or not.
>
>
> Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
> share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
> "everyone" wants.
>
Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.
The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.
Brenda Ann
"DaveC" <m...@bogusdomain.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C2C8CFE5...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>> How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.
>
> Do away with GPS location reporting.
>
> "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, US
> author,
> diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
> --
I see you don't believe the government's stated primary goal of making E911
available to cell users..
Don Bowey
labolide-9157B5...@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
<labo...@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> In article <34632448102007072...@AmericaOnLine.com>,
> Todd Allcock <elecc...@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>
>> At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:
>>
>>> Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
>>> Mac delivers, like them or not.
>>
>>
>> Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
>> share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
>> "everyone" wants.
Last I heard Apple was number 3 in laptop sales, and growing fast.
>>
> Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
> Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
> cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
> Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
> couple ActiveX powered control panels.
Nonsense. My wife's Fujitsu laptop is about 5 years old and has been as
dependable as my Macs. Except for defragging it a few times it has taken
none of my time.
My year old PC tower, running XP, is also flawless.
>
> The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
> with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
> Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.
And some love XP.
IMHO Mac has had only one computer that flat knocked the socks off the PC
competition, and they quit making it (638CDV). They also made at least one
laptop that was a pathetic Power Mac which was slower by far than my 040
desktop computer of the time.
The only reason I'm still using a Mac (MacBook Pro) is that I can run
Windows when I need to, without using an emulator.
Bottom line, like it or not, PCs are cheaper than Macs and retrofit cards
for the PC are VERY inexpensive for high quality functionality.
Kurt
Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
I'll tell you, every time I have to get into XP, I cringe at the design
and implementation. Vista is even worse (and been a nightmare for a lot
of my non-tech friends).
My "Old" G5 2.5 does a fine job. Have about 5 other older machines in
daily use around here (iMacs, a couple towers, and an iBook). Never a
problem.
Michael A. Terrell
>
> In article <34632448102007072...@AmericaOnLine.com>,
> Todd Allcock <elecc...@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>
> > At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:
> >
> > > Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
> > > Mac delivers, like them or not.
> >
> >
> > Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
> > share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
> > "everyone" wants.
> >
> Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
> Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
> cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
> Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
> couple ActiveX powered control panels.
More lies from the mac community. There are excellent anti virus
programs that are free for private use AVG is my favorite.
Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.
>
> The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
> with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
> Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.
If it did what they needed, what business is it of yours?
msg
> Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC?
Funny you should ask ;) The only NI GPIB card I could afford
is the surplus one that showed up in an old Mac LC together
with its Labview (68K) driver. The Mac was tossed at a
landfill collection center.
Regards,
Michael
Jeff Liebermann
>"DaveC" <m...@bogusdomain.net> wrote in message
>> Do away with GPS location reporting.
>I see you don't believe the government's stated primary goal of making E911
>available to cell users..
Phase 2 E911 is a long way from being universally available.
<http://mrtmag.com/mag/radio_waiting/>
Most of the PSAP's are having problems getting their state governments
to release money already allocated for the purpose. (First they steal
from the rich, then from the poor, and now from themselves).
The FCC is also getting a bit irritated at cooked test results for
complying with location accuracy. I've seen some really suspicious
results using some possibly (not sure) dubious technology.
<http://mrtmag.com/mag/radio_fcc_looks_location/index.html>
Incidentally, the governments apparent goal is more like "We want
everyone to be safe, even if it bankrupts everyone".
--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Jeff Liebermann
> Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
>ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.
Add EPIC, EPIC Express, ITX, Mini-ITX, Nano-ITX, EBX, PCI-104, PC-104
Plus, CompactPCI, EPIC, EPIC-Express, PC/104, PC/104-Plus,
PC/104-Express, PICMG, AMC, ETX, ECX, XTX, COM-Express, COM-Express,
and probably a few I've missed. PC's own the industrial control
market. The catch is that most boards are rather expensive.
See:
<http://www.mini-itx.com>
On the right side is a list of "projects" that various users have
built. They range from ingenious to ludicrous. All are interesting.
I suppose that could be done with a disembowled Mac, but Apple doesn't
sell motherboards so it requires cannibalization of a complete
machine. So much for the hobbyist market.
Michael A. Terrell
I've seen dozens for the PC, but never one for a MAC. In fact, I
still have a couple 8 bit NI cards, somewhere. Microdyne built telemetry
receivers in various PC form factors, but no one ever requested any
design be ported to a MAC. We also built VME and PC-104 based equipment
with IEEE-488 ports..
I've also had IEEE-488 interfaces for the Commodore 64. I used it
with their 4023 and 8023 P series printers.
Michael A. Terrell
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> hath wroth:
>
> > Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
> >ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.
>
> Add EPIC, EPIC Express, ITX, Mini-ITX, Nano-ITX, EBX, PCI-104, PC-104
> Plus, CompactPCI, EPIC, EPIC-Express, PC/104, PC/104-Plus,
> PC/104-Express, PICMG, AMC, ETX, ECX, XTX, COM-Express, COM-Express,
> and probably a few I've missed. PC's own the industrial control
> market. The catch is that most boards are rather expensive.
You do have to consider the total volume of sales vs the engineering
costs, plus these items are generally not built with all jelly bean
parts.
The HP 85 desktop computer with the tape drive, tiny monochrome
monitor and IEEE-488 port was used at Microdyne for some very old
equipment for test and alignment, till they finally hired a programmer
to write new software for a PC.
http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/hp85.html
> See:
> <http://www.mini-itx.com>
> On the right side is a list of "projects" that various users have
> built. They range from ingenious to ludicrous. All are interesting.
> I suppose that could be done with a disembowled Mac, but Apple doesn't
> sell motherboards so it requires cannibalization of a complete
> machine. So much for the hobbyist market.
http://www.measurementcomputing.com/index.html was our supplier for
PC-104 IEEE-488 interface boards. They used to be Computer Boards, Inc.
Telamon
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Kurt wrote:
> >
> > In article <34632448102007072...@AmericaOnLine.com>,
> > Todd Allcock <elecc...@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> >
> > > At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
> > > > Mac delivers, like them or not.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
> > > share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
> > > "everyone" wants.
> > >
> > Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
> > Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
> > cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
> > Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
> > couple ActiveX powered control panels.
>
>
> More lies from the mac community. There are excellent anti virus
> programs that are free for private use AVG is my favorite.
>
> Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
> ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.
< Snip >
Yes. National Instruments.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Jeff Liebermann
>Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> hath wroth:
>>
>> > Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
>> >ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.
>>
>> Add EPIC, EPIC Express, ITX, Mini-ITX, Nano-ITX, EBX, PCI-104, PC-104
>> Plus, CompactPCI, EPIC, EPIC-Express, PC/104, PC/104-Plus,
>> PC/104-Express, PICMG, AMC, ETX, ECX, XTX, COM-Express, COM-Express,
>> and probably a few I've missed. PC's own the industrial control
>> market. The catch is that most boards are rather expensive.
Sorry about the duplicated acronyms.
> The HP 85 desktop computer with the tape drive, tiny monochrome
>monitor and IEEE-488 port was used at Microdyne for some very old
>equipment for test and alignment, till they finally hired a programmer
>to write new software for a PC.
> http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/hp85.html
You could have used an emulator. Some of the old HP test hardware has
been emulated on a PC as a means of preserving the investment in
software. For the HP85:
<http://www.kaser.com/hp85.html>
Incidentally, I collect HP calculators:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hp-calc/>
Ugh. Those are ancient photos. My collection is easily twice as
large today. I also do some repairs:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hp65/>
in my non-existent spare time.
> http://www.measurementcomputing.com/index.html was our supplier for
>PC-104 IEEE-488 interface boards. They used to be Computer Boards, Inc.
They still own http:/www.ComputerBoards.com I used to buy
relatively cheap ISA and PCI I/O cards from them.
Michael A. Terrell
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> hath wroth:
>
> >Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>
> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> hath wroth:
> >>
> >> > Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
> >> >ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.
> >>
> >> Add EPIC, EPIC Express, ITX, Mini-ITX, Nano-ITX, EBX, PCI-104, PC-104
> >> Plus, CompactPCI, EPIC, EPIC-Express, PC/104, PC/104-Plus,
> >> PC/104-Express, PICMG, AMC, ETX, ECX, XTX, COM-Express, COM-Express,
> >> and probably a few I've missed. PC's own the industrial control
> >> market. The catch is that most boards are rather expensive.
>
> Sorry about the duplicated acronyms.
:-)
> > The HP 85 desktop computer with the tape drive, tiny monochrome
> >monitor and IEEE-488 port was used at Microdyne for some very old
> >equipment for test and alignment, till they finally hired a programmer
> >to write new software for a PC.
> > http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/hp85.html
>
> You could have used an emulator.
Most of the software needed updated, anyway. The equipment being
tested had the newer IEEE-488 implementation, and the old system
couldn't make use of it. We had five of them and the cal lab could
barely keep two running. There were days we had to forcible take the
only working unit away from engineering to ship on time. After the new
software was ready, they bought a pile of NI boards for the Win 95
computers used in test and engineering. (This was pre Y2K)
> Some of the old HP test hardware has
> been emulated on a PC as a means of preserving the investment in
> software. For the HP85:
> <http://www.kaser.com/hp85.html>
>
> Incidentally, I collect HP calculators:
> <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hp-calc/>
> Ugh. Those are ancient photos. My collection is easily twice as
> large today. I also do some repairs:
> <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hp65/>
> in my non-existent spare time.
>
> > http://www.measurementcomputing.com/index.html was our supplier for
> >PC-104 IEEE-488 interface boards. They used to be Computer Boards, Inc.
>
> They still own http:/www.ComputerBoards.com I used to buy
> relatively cheap ISA and PCI I/O cards from them.
I may still have a few of the padded shipping boxes, some of each
name.
msg
<snip>
> I've also had IEEE-488 interfaces for the Commodore 64. I used it
> with their 4023 and 8023 P series printers.
>
Indeed the PET 4000 and 8000 series GPIB ports are useful for
instrument control and I have seen quite a few in physics
departments doing that job.
Regards,
Michael
msg
<snip>
> The HP 85 desktop computer with the tape drive, tiny monochrome
> monitor and IEEE-488 port was used at Microdyne for some very old
> equipment for test and alignment, till they finally hired a programmer
> to write new software for a PC.
One may be surprised at the current level of interest in HP85
hardware; many are still running well in their roles as experiment
controllers and with spares there is little impetus to replace
them.
Regards,
Michael
Don Bowey
"Jeff Liebermann" <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> hath wroth:
>
>> Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>
>>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> hath wroth:
>>>
>>>> Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
>>>> ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.
>>>
>>> Add EPIC, EPIC Express, ITX, Mini-ITX, Nano-ITX, EBX, PCI-104, PC-104
>>> Plus, CompactPCI, EPIC, EPIC-Express, PC/104, PC/104-Plus,
>>> PC/104-Express, PICMG, AMC, ETX, ECX, XTX, COM-Express, COM-Express,
>>> and probably a few I've missed. PC's own the industrial control
>>> market. The catch is that most boards are rather expensive.
>
> Sorry about the duplicated acronyms.
>
>> The HP 85 desktop computer with the tape drive, tiny monochrome
>> monitor and IEEE-488 port was used at Microdyne for some very old
>> equipment for test and alignment, till they finally hired a programmer
>> to write new software for a PC.
>> http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/hp85.html
>
> You could have used an emulator. Some of the old HP test hardware has
> been emulated on a PC as a means of preserving the investment in
> software. For the HP85:
> <http://www.kaser.com/hp85.html>
>
(snip)
I have a new, old-stock printer for the HP85, still in it's bag and box.
Is there any interest in it or is it junk?
Post here or email.
msg
>
> I have a new, old-stock printer for the HP85, still in it's bag and box.
>
> Is there any interest in it or is it junk?
>
Some many years ago now, I organized a group purchase from PIC of
drive belts for the printer and also developed a technique for
re-rubbering the capstan roller in the tape drive. I would
appreciate getting your printer ;)
Regards,
Michael
msg _at_ cybertheque _dot_ org
Jeff Liebermann
>Don Bowey wrote:
>> I have a new, old-stock printer for the HP85, still in it's bag and box.
>> Is there any interest in it or is it junk?
Not me. I've got one.
>Some many years ago now, I organized a group purchase from PIC of
>drive belts for the printer and also developed a technique for
>re-rubbering the capstan roller in the tape drive. I would
>appreciate getting your printer ;)
That was the problem with much of the HP mechanical hardware. The
rubber composition just didn't last and would eventually decompose
into a sticky mess. For example, this is my reconstructed HP-65 mag
stripe reader drive wheel using a slice of clear vinyl tubing.
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hp65/slides/Hp65-Drive-Roller.html>
Incidentally, the most difficult part of this exercise was neatly
cutting the hose to size. I had to use a razor blade or a scalpel.
The tape drive roller in the HP85 was susceptible to the same rubber
deterioration.
<http://www.series80.org/Articles/capstan-repair.html>
I fixed two using the same clear vinyl tubing trick. Sorry, no
photos.
Kurt
<telamon_spamshield-7...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
Telamon <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
Hey, neighbor (also Ventura)
Don Bowey
<msg@_cybertheque.org_> wrote:
Where are you located?
Telamon
Kurt <labo...@spacegmail.com> wrote:
There are a few people from Ventura, Oxnard, and LA that post to this
news group.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
DaveC
> available to cell users..
I don't believe or disbelieve. The OP asked a question. I offered my
contribution.