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Philip Sherman

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Apr 4, 1994, 3:52:46 AM4/4/94
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In article <1994Apr4.0...@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
js0...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Wonko the Sane) wrote:
>
> In <Cnq2u...@freenet.carleton.ca> ar...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Gabriel Duong) writes:
>
>
>
> >Find all the words in the English language that have the MOST CONSECUTIVE
> >consonants. For example, the word "length" has 4 consecutive consonants.
> >The plural of the word doesn't count.
> >To get started, here's a word that has 5 consecutive consonants :
> >WALKTHROUGH.
> >Can you do better. The more consonants, the better. The more words, the more fun. Good luck.
>
> Latchstring. 6. :)
>
You could try lengthy, if you don't consider y a vowel. But if you don't
consider y a vowel, then you could use "rhythmic" which also has six. Or
rhythmless or non-rhythmic,in that case, have 7.

Philip Sherman (aka Pokey)
pshe...@cc.swarthmore.edu

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Gabriel Duong

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Wonko the Sane

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Apr 4, 1994, 3:27:24 AM4/4/94
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Latchstring. 6. :)

Jeremy

P.S. The German word "angstschweiss" has 8, and the Georgian word
"gvprtskvnis" has 9. Also, there was a guy on the 1992 USA Olympic
volleyball team named Bob Ctvrtlik (stuh-VERT-lick), which has 6.
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In article <psherma1-0...@mac02.marylyonb.swarthmore.edu>,

pshe...@cc.swarthmore.edu (Philip Sherman) says:
>
> You could try lengthy, if you don't consider y a vowel. But if you don't
>consider y a vowel, then you could use "rhythmic" which also has six. Or
>rhythmless or non-rhythmic,in that case, have 7.

you cannot just wake up and say, "today i think i'll consider y a consonant".
in any given word, y is either definitely a consonant or definitely a vowel,
depending on the word. in all words that you suggest above, it is a vowel.

bob vesterman.

Chris Cole

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Apr 4, 1994, 2:17:38 PM4/4/94
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This question is in the rec.puzzles archive:
==> language/english/spelling/single.words.p <==
What words have exceptional lengths, patterns, etc.?

==> language/english/spelling/single.words.s <==

[snip snip]
Consonants
longest consonant string bergschrund bergschrunds catchphrase catchphrases eschscholtzia eschscholtzias festschrift festschriften festschrifts goldschmidtine ... (6,27)
[snip snip]

Omitting plurals, the complete list of words from Webster's Third is:
bergschrund
catchphrase
eschscholtzia
festschrift
goldschmidtine
goldschmidtite
lachsschinken
latchstring
mischsprache
nachschlag
promptscript
weltschmerz
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Mark Meyer

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Apr 4, 1994, 11:14:38 AM4/4/94
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If we're going to mention foreign languages, how about the
Czech tongue-twister

Strch prst skrz krk. (sp?)

Ref: Guinness Book of World Records, years ago.

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Gabriel Duong (ar...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:


: Find all the words in the English language that have the MOST CONSECUTIVE

I can do not better, but same. 'syndrome'

Don't listen to those idiots who say that 'y' is a vowel. They're losers.

David Rysdam

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As a matter of fact, I hear tell that even 'w' can be a vowel. As
in "how". But I am not a linguist (or whatever).

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Philip Sherman

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Apr 4, 1994, 6:15:54 PM4/4/94
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In article <2nq0l3$b...@agate.berkeley.edu>, rma...@po.Berkeley.EDU ("TM")
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WELL IN THAT CASE, Y ask Y?

I will stick with nonrhythmic HEHEHEHE

(even if y is a vowel, it looks cool)

Philip Sherman (aka Pokey)

David Rysdam

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Apr 4, 1994, 9:13:35 PM4/4/94
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In article <1994Apr05....@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> ammo...@galaxy.csc.calpoly.edu (Aaron Mark Morris) writes:

drys...@ursa.calvin.edu (David Rysdam) speculated:


> I can do not better, but same. 'syndrome'
> Don't listen to those idiots who say that 'y' is a vowel. They're losers.

NO I DID NOT!!!!!

Noam Elkies

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In article <psherma1-0...@mac05.marylyonb.swarthmore.edu>

pshe...@cc.swarthmore.edu (Philip Sherman) writes:
>
>I will stick with nonrhythmic
>
>(even if y is a vowel, it looks cool)

Well there's "polyrhythms" with 9, if you count y as a consonant.
Yes, it's a real word -- ask a music student in an advanced
ear-training class. But this is bogus, because your ear will
tell you that in this word both y's are clearly acting as vowels.

--Noam D. Elkies (elk...@zariski.harvard.edu)
Dept. of Mathematics, Harvard University

Hume Smith

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Apr 5, 1994, 6:08:52 PM4/5/94
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In article <DRYSDA02.9...@ursa.calvin.edu> drys...@ursa.calvin.edu (David Rysdam) writes:

As a matter of fact, I hear tell that even 'w' can be a vowel. As
in "how". But I am not a linguist (or whatever).

i didn't know the w in "how" was a vowel. but the one in "cwm" is.
(we do, after all, call it a "double u".)

(it gets great attention pronouncing X window manager names - twm, tvtwm,
olwm, NCDwm, mwm...)

Neil St.Laurent

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Apr 5, 1994, 7:31:51 PM4/5/94
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Most consecutive consonants, counting y as a consonant.

synchronous 6


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David Rysdam

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In article <DRYSDA02.9...@ursa.calvin.edu> drys...@ursa.calvin.edu (David Rysdam) writes:

As a matter of fact, I hear tell that even 'w' can be a vowel. As
in "how". But I am not a linguist (or whatever).

i didn't know the w in "how" was a vowel. but the one in "cwm" is.
(we do, after all, call it a "double u".)

Cwm! That's the word I was trying to think of. "A mountain hollow", is
it not? In any case, yes, I believe that 'w' is a vowel in "how".

(it gets great attention pronouncing X window manager names - twm, tvtwm,
olwm, NCDwm, mwm...)

How would it help with NCDwm? Nickduhoom?

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Apr 5, 1994, 8:17:28 PM4/5/94
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In article <850347S.94...@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 850...@dragon.acadiau.ca

(Hume Smith) says:
>
>In article <DRYSDA02.9...@ursa.calvin.edu> drys...@ursa.calvin.edu
>(David Rysdam) writes:
>
> As a matter of fact, I hear tell that even 'w' can be a vowel. As
> in "how". But I am not a linguist (or whatever).
>
>i didn't know the w in "how" was a vowel. but the one in "cwm" is.
>(we do, after all, call it a "double u".)

though there are a few evil mutant words like "cwm" and "crwd" wherein
"w" is the vowel sound "oo", the rule "a,e,i,o,u, sometimes y and w"
(which is often shortened to "a,e,i,o,u, sometimes y") in fact is
refering to nice friendly words like "how". the "ow" sound is a dipthong...
two vowels slid together. it is easier to see that "w" is a vowel here
if you realize that you pronounce "how" the same way you would pronounce
"hau" - you're sliding "ah" and "oo" together.

it is certainly not a consonant there - you don't say "ha-woo" or anything
like that.

bob vesterman.

Brad Templeton

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Apr 6, 1994, 3:48:34 AM4/6/94
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Y is a vowel, otherwise the sentence

"Sly gypsy nymphs tryst shyly by my crypt"

would have a rather interesting property.
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> i didn't know the w in "how" was a vowel. but the one in "cwm" is.
> (we do, after all, call it a "double u".)
>

A better example of 'w' beign used as a vowel is the word 'few'. That 'yoo'
sound at the end of the word comes from the 'w', not from the 'e'. At least,
that's the way I learned it, but I have learned a lot of wrong things in my
life, so...

Dingbat

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Apr 6, 1994, 4:31:04 PM4/6/94
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In article <sV2Bkc...@twisted.uu.holonet.net>
imag...@twisted.uu.holonet.net (Neil St.Laurent) writes:

> Most consecutive consonants, counting y as a consonant.
>
> synchronous 6

How about syzygy?

Although, of course y is a vowel here...
Dingbat

E-mail:--> din...@original.demon.co.uk

Chris Best

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Apr 6, 1994, 6:21:52 PM4/6/94
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> > Most consecutive consonants, counting y as a consonant.
> >
> > synchronous 6

----------

Why don't we just count O and U as consonants, too? Then it's 11!

PH

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Apr 7, 1994, 6:51:04 AM4/7/94
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In article <Cntv1...@clarinet.com>, Brad Templeton <br...@clarinet.com> wrote:
>Y is a vowel, otherwise the sentence
>
> "Sly gypsy nymphs tryst shyly by my crypt"
>
>would have a rather interesting property.

Er, I was always taught that Y was a consonant. A E I O U are the vowels.


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In article <2o0oio$7...@rowan.coventry.ac.uk> mei...@rowan.coventry.ac.uk (PH) writes:
>In article <Cntv1...@clarinet.com>, Brad Templeton <br...@clarinet.com> wrote:
> >Y is a vowel, otherwise the sentence
> >
> > "Sly gypsy nymphs tryst shyly by my crypt"
> >
> >would have a rather interesting property.
>
>Er, I was always taught that Y was a consonant. A E I O U are the vowels.
>

Well, I was taught that 'y' is sometimes a vowel and sometimes a consonant,
(it is a vowel in the words by, my, sty, cry, etc., and a consonant in
you, yes, etc. I expect that was too complicated for your teachers.
I am not sure how to judge day, buy, etc.

I just checked the shorter OED:

Vowel: A speech sound produced by vibration of the vocal cords but without
any closure or narrowing of the speech tract such as would cause audible
friction; capable of forming a syllable; a letter of the alphabet
representing such a sound.

I expect that was too complicated for my teachers.

Derek Holt.

Cho Wee Bin Jeffrey

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Apr 13, 1994, 2:00:46 AM4/13/94
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Neil St.Laurent (imag...@twisted.uu.holonet.net) wrote:
: Most consecutive consonants, counting y as a consonant.

: synchronous 6


: Imagination's End imag...@twisted.uu.holonet.net
: Twisted (403)854-3568 [#############################]

How about "rhythms"? (7 consonants and no vowels!)

Philip Karl Roban

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Apr 14, 1994, 12:42:21 AM4/14/94
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How about this interesting sequence?
I'd be interested if anyone could find a neat formula for
this one! (I'm not making this up.)

More terms available on request.

If you know where this comes from, don't make
it hard for everyone by saying what it is.
I think that, out of context, it may actually be easier,
so don't blow it!

Philip K. Roban

Daniel LOEB

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In article <Co8FL...@news.cis.umn.edu>, ph...@seal.micro.umn.edu (Philip Karl Roban) writes:
|> How about this interesting sequence?
|> I'd be interested if anyone could find a neat formula for
|> this one! (I'm not making this up.)

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%S A0602 1,1,1,1,2,3,5,9,18,35,75,159,355,802,1858,4347,10359,24894,60523,148284,
%T A0602 366319,910726,2278658,5731580,14490245,36797588,93839412,240215803,617105614
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RVES...@vma.cc.nd.edu wrote:
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Thank you for some linguistic reason!

In most languages (except English) "i" is regularly pronounced as it is in
"Machine". "Y" then becomes the consonant variation on that sound. For
instance, if your language **has** to have a consonant between two vowels,
you'll pay attention to the middle sound in "ia" (eg ending "Maria") --
there's the actual "i" sound, a new sound, then the "a" sound -- and spell
it "iya". In those languages, "y" is always a consonant, "i" is always used
for the vowel equivalent. (In English spelling, of course, anything goes!)

Also, "u" and "w" (or "uu" as it actually is written out and named) have the
same relationship. In "Follower", it's being a consonant that separates two
vowels. In "how," as noted, it's being a vowel -- compare "hob", where the
final letter isn't converting the "o" (or "a" in other languages) to a
diphthong.

In other words, in most languages using our alphabet, the teachers who omit
"y" and "w" would be entirely correct. But since English is so hobbledy-
gobbledy, they err if they leave them out.

: bob vesterman.


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