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Mark Brader

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Dec 7, 2009, 5:31:31 PM12/7/09
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Bill C-62, introduced this month in Canada's Parliament, proposes to
add Ontario and BC to the list of three provinces that already have
the Harmonized Sales Tax. I am informed that if the bill passes, it
will revise the list of "harmonized provinces" in Schedule VIII of the
Excise Tax Act to read as follows:

Ontario 8%
Nova Scotia 8%
New Brunswick 8%
British Columbia 7%
Newfoundland and Labrador 8%
Nova Scotia offshore area 8%
Newfoundland offshore area 8%

Okay, the offshore areas are listed at the end because they aren't
provinces. But what about the order of the rest of the list? As
everyone knows, there are only five orders commonly used for lists
of provinces in English in Canada, and none of these puts the above
five provinces in the sequence seen above. What is this, then?
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Don Piven

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Dec 7, 2009, 6:27:03 PM12/7/09
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Mark Brader wrote:
> Bill C-62, introduced this month in Canada's Parliament, proposes to
> add Ontario and BC to the list of three provinces that already have
> the Harmonized Sales Tax. I am informed that if the bill passes, it
> will revise the list of "harmonized provinces" in Schedule VIII of the
> Excise Tax Act to read as follows:
>
> Ontario 8%
> Nova Scotia 8%
> New Brunswick 8%
> British Columbia 7%
> Newfoundland and Labrador 8%
> Nova Scotia offshore area 8%
> Newfoundland offshore area 8%
>
> Okay, the offshore areas are listed at the end because they aren't
> provinces. But what about the order of the rest of the list? As
> everyone knows, there are only five orders commonly used for lists
> of provinces in English in Canada, and none of these puts the above
> five provinces in the sequence seen above. What is this, then?

Order of entry into the confederation.

Mark Brader

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Dec 7, 2009, 7:06:43 PM12/7/09
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Mark Brader:

> > As everyone knows, there are only five orders commonly used for lists
> > of provinces in English in Canada, and none of these puts the above
> > five provinces in the sequence seen above. What is this, then?

Don Piven:

> Order of entry into the confederation.

Correct!
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Peter Smyth

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Dec 8, 2009, 1:22:28 PM12/8/09
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"Mark Brader" <m...@vex.net> wrote in message
news:ou-dnVJRfp4OBYDW...@vex.net...


> Mark Brader:
>> > As everyone knows, there are only five orders commonly used for
>> > lists
>> > of provinces in English in Canada, and none of these puts the above
>> > five provinces in the sequence seen above. What is this, then?
>
> Don Piven:
>> Order of entry into the confederation.
>
> Correct!

So what are the five orders commonly used then?

Alphabetical must be one. Population size? Land Area?

Peter Smyth

Mark Brader

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Dec 8, 2009, 2:20:48 PM12/8/09
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Mark Brader:
>>>> As everyone knows, there are only five orders commonly used for
>>>> lists of provinces in English in Canada, and none of these puts
>>>> the above five provinces in the sequence seen above. What is
>>>> this, then?

Don Piven:
>>> Order of entry into the confederation.

Mark Brader:
>> Correct!

Ties are broken based on population at the time of entry, by the way.
The lawyer friend who called my attention to this got the basis for the
ordering from a contact in the Department of Finance.

Peter Smyth:


> So what are the five orders commonly used then?
>
> Alphabetical must be one.

Yep -- probably the rarest. Usually it's a sign that the document
was produced outside the country.

> Population size? Land Area?

No and no.
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m...@vex.net | "I'll dream of Canada." -- THE SUSPECT

gerson

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Dec 8, 2009, 2:59:49 PM12/8/09
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Peter Smyth / Mark Brader:

>> So what are the five orders commonly used then?
>>
>> Alphabetical must be one.
>
> Yep -- probably the rarest. Usually it's a sign that the document
> was produced outside the country.
>
>> Population size? Land Area?
>
> No and no.

left to right, sort of ?


Mark Brader

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Dec 8, 2009, 3:30:46 PM12/8/09
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Peter Smyth:

>>> So what are the five orders commonly used then?
>>> Alphabetical must be one.

Mark Brader:


>> Yep -- probably the rarest. Usually it's a sign that the document
>> was produced outside the country.

>>> Population size? Land Area?
>> No and no.

John Gerson:


> left to right, sort of ?

Ah!
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gerson

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Dec 9, 2009, 6:57:29 AM12/9/09
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"Mark Brader" wrote

> Peter Smyth:
>>>> So what are the five orders commonly used then?
>>>> Alphabetical must be one.
>
> Mark Brader:
>>> Yep -- probably the rarest. Usually it's a sign that the document
>>> was produced outside the country.
>
>>>> Population size? Land Area?
>>> No and no.
>
> John Gerson:
>> left to right, sort of ?
>
> Ah!

Budget ?


Mark Brader

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Dec 9, 2009, 3:23:48 PM12/9/09
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John Gerson:
>>> left to right, sort of ?

Mark Brader:
>> Ah!

John Gerson:
> Budget ?

Okay, you give up. The other orders are east to west and west to east --
with Nova Scotia counted as either east or west of Prince Edward Island,
depending on which part of it you look at.
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Rich Grise

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Dec 14, 2009, 5:58:05 PM12/14/09
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:31:31 -0600, Mark Brader wrote:

> Bill C-62, introduced this month in Canada's Parliament, proposes to
> add Ontario and BC to the list of three provinces that already have
> the Harmonized Sales Tax. I am informed that if the bill passes, it
> will revise the list of "harmonized provinces" in Schedule VIII of the
> Excise Tax Act to read as follows:
>
> Ontario 8%
> Nova Scotia 8%
> New Brunswick 8%
> British Columbia 7%
> Newfoundland and Labrador 8%
> Nova Scotia offshore area 8%
> Newfoundland offshore area 8%
>
> Okay, the offshore areas are listed at the end because they aren't
> provinces. But what about the order of the rest of the list? As
> everyone knows, there are only five orders commonly used for lists
> of provinces in English in Canada, and none of these puts the above
> five provinces in the sequence seen above. What is this, then?

What do you get when you enumerate them on a map?

Thanks,
Rich


Rich Grise

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Dec 14, 2009, 5:59:18 PM12/14/09
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I gotta learn to read follow-ups before I jump in with my noise. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich


Matthew Russotto

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Dec 15, 2009, 10:42:51 PM12/15/09
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In article <u-udnQ4yNa_eH4DW...@vex.net>,

Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:
>
> Ontario 8%
> Nova Scotia 8%
> New Brunswick 8%
> British Columbia 7%
> Newfoundland and Labrador 8%
> Nova Scotia offshore area 8%
> Newfoundland offshore area 8%
>
>Okay, the offshore areas are listed at the end because they aren't
>provinces. But what about the order of the rest of the list? As
>everyone knows, there are only five orders commonly used for lists
>of provinces in English in Canada, and none of these puts the above
>five provinces in the sequence seen above. What is this, then?

Length of name.
--
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someone with less ability and more need.

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