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Cynicor

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Apr 4, 2006, 11:29:15 AM4/4/06
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Kevin Stone

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Apr 4, 2006, 12:11:47 PM4/4/06
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> http://cynicor.blogspot.com/2006/04/cynicor-sudoku-fever.html

It's funny that is, I was just thinking that there ought to be a few more
good Sudoku websites out there.

Thanks for posting this one.

--
Kev


Robert J. Kolker

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Apr 4, 2006, 1:27:04 PM4/4/06
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Cynicor wrote:

> Good luck!
> http://cynicor.blogspot.com/2006/04/cynicor-sudoku-fever.html

Not solvable.

Bob Kolker

Cynicor

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Apr 4, 2006, 2:02:37 PM4/4/06
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Gareth Owen

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Apr 4, 2006, 2:16:19 PM4/4/06
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Cynicor <j..tru.p.i.n...@speakeasy.net> writes:

There are two 4's in the fifth column.

Gideon

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Apr 4, 2006, 4:18:37 PM4/4/06
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You might want to tweak this solution and the problem a bit.
Duplicate digits on rows 3 & 6 are immediately obvious.

Gideon

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Cynicor

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Apr 4, 2006, 7:53:55 PM4/4/06
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Kevin Stone

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Apr 4, 2006, 8:09:27 PM4/4/06
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> OK, I posted a new one. What do you think?

Me first!

:)

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Kev


Patrick Hamlyn

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Apr 4, 2006, 8:11:08 PM4/4/06
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Cynicor <j..tru.p.i.n...@speakeasy.net> wrote:

I think I'll wait until many people agree that
a) you've ironed out the bugs
b) you've contributed something extra to the field
There are a gazillion Sudoku sites, why would I want to waste my time debugging
yours for you?
--
Patrick Hamlyn posting from Perth, Western Australia
Windsurfing capital of the Southern Hemisphere
Moderator: polyforms group (polyforms...@egroups.com)

Kevin Stone

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Apr 4, 2006, 8:15:16 PM4/4/06
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"Patrick Hamlyn" <path@multipro.N_OcomSP_AM.au> wrote in message
news:ok26329jpadf99fbp...@4ax.com...

> Cynicor <j..tru.p.i.n...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
>>OK, I posted a new one. What do you think?
>>http://cynicor.blogspot.com/2006/04/cynicor-sudoku-fever-4506-challenge.html
>>
> I think I'll wait until many people agree that
> a) you've ironed out the bugs
> b) you've contributed something extra to the field

I posted my initial response hours ago, surely someone else can see what I
can see?

--
Kev


Barbara Bailey

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Apr 4, 2006, 8:46:06 PM4/4/06
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Lbh zrna gur qhcyvpngr sbhef va pbyhza svir ntnva?

Cynicor

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Apr 4, 2006, 8:55:49 PM4/4/06
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V qba'g fhccbfr V pna trg nalbar gb gel zl arj Plavpbe Whzoyr, pna V?
http://cynicor.blogspot.com/2006/04/cynicor-jumble.html

Matthew Russotto

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Apr 4, 2006, 9:57:49 PM4/4/06
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In article <FvmdnU_UhNKOmq7Z...@speakeasy.net>,

April Fools Day was 4/1/06.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

Arthur J. O'Dwyer

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Apr 4, 2006, 10:14:53 PM4/4/06
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On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Cynicor wrote:
>> Cynicor wrote:
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> http://cynicor.blogspot.com/2006/04/cynicor-sudoku-fever.html

> I just posted the solution here:
> http://cynicor.blogspot.com/2006/04/cynicor-sudoku-fever-4406-answer.html

Either you're a troll (in which case you succeeded, obviously), or
you're just a really lazy April Fool's prankster who couldn't get his
act together until three days after April Fool's Day. I'm not sure
which.

Idea for an ObPuzzle, though: The comments on the fake "solution"
include the OP/troll's innocent comment "Wait, you can only use each
number once in a box? :-( " Which prompted me to think that maybe a
good puzzle would be to figure out what fundamental misconception
about Sudoku the author had. For example, the author of this puzzle

158 239 476
947 615 823
615 823 947

239 476 158
761 582 394
823 947 615

615 823 947
476 158 239
394 761 582

didn't realize that each number can only be used once per box, but
got the other rules correct. (For a meta-metapuzzle, post only the
unsolved grid, and see whether anyone can both deduce the misconception
and then solve the flawed grid as intended by the "author.")

-Arthur

Kevin Stone

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Apr 5, 2006, 4:18:35 AM4/5/06
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> V qba'g fhccbfr V pna trg nalbar gb gel zl arj Plavpbe Whzoyr, pna V?
> http://cynicor.blogspot.com/2006/04/cynicor-jumble.html

If someone does, then they'll see the point.

--
Kev


Cynicor

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Apr 5, 2006, 9:24:14 AM4/5/06
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Arthur J. O'Dwyer wrote:
>
> On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Cynicor wrote:
>
>>> Cynicor wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good luck!
>>>> http://cynicor.blogspot.com/2006/04/cynicor-sudoku-fever.html
>
>
>> I just posted the solution here:
>> http://cynicor.blogspot.com/2006/04/cynicor-sudoku-fever-4406-answer.html
>
> Either you're a troll (in which case you succeeded, obviously), or
> you're just a really lazy April Fool's prankster who couldn't get his
> act together until three days after April Fool's Day. I'm not sure
> which.

I'm more of a goofball than a troll, for three reasons:

1. You can figure out my real identity really easily.
2. I'm too lovable to be a troll.
3. Unlike a troll, I'll stick around so that you can heap abuse on me now.

Oh, and I hate Sudoku. I'm an editor, and I like games where people put
some thought into crafting them, as opposed to pressing a button and
popping out today's challenge.

The Qurqirish Dragon

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Apr 5, 2006, 10:33:17 AM4/5/06
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Arthur J. O'Dwyer wrote:

> Idea for an ObPuzzle, though: The comments on the fake "solution"
> include the OP/troll's innocent comment "Wait, you can only use each
> number once in a box? :-( " Which prompted me to think that maybe a
> good puzzle would be to figure out what fundamental misconception
> about Sudoku the author had. For example, the author of this puzzle
>
> 158 239 476
> 947 615 823
> 615 823 947
>
> 239 476 158
> 761 582 394
> 823 947 615
>
> 615 823 947
> 476 158 239
> 394 761 582
>
> didn't realize that each number can only be used once per box, but
> got the other rules correct.

But he didn't- several columns have repeat digits also!
In fact, every column has a (unique) repeated digit (and therefore also
a unique missing digit).

That could be an interesting variant- each row, column, and box has
eight different digits. Each digit is duplicated in exactly one of each
type of grouping. I wonder how good a puzzle could be created in this
manner?

Cynicor

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Apr 5, 2006, 10:42:51 AM4/5/06
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Do they have to be limited to the digits 1-9? Could you use a 0 as a
wildcard if you get stuck?

The Qurqirish Dragon

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Apr 6, 2006, 10:10:44 AM4/6/06
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If you allow more than 9 different entries, then you couldn't satisfy
the condition that each digit is duplicated in EXACTLY one of each
grouping (row, column, box).

That a sudoku with my variant rules is possible is trivial to show (It
took me less than one minute to create a completed grid with my rules),
but making a solvable puzzle without giving away too much is the
question I posed above.

Arthur J. O'Dwyer

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Apr 6, 2006, 5:17:30 PM4/6/06
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, The Qurqirish Dragon wrote:
> Arthur J. O'Dwyer wrote:
>> Idea for an ObPuzzle, though: The comments on the fake "solution"
>> include the OP/troll's innocent comment "Wait, you can only use each
>> number once in a box? :-( " Which prompted me to think that maybe a
>> good puzzle would be to figure out what fundamental misconception
>> about Sudoku the author had. For example, the author of this puzzle
>>
>> 158 239 476
>> 947 615 823
>> 615 823 947
>>
>> 239 476 158
>> 761 582 394
>> 823 947 615
>>
>> 615 823 947
>> 476 158 239
>> 394 761 582
>>
>> didn't realize that each number can only be used once per box, but
>> got the other rules correct.
>
> But he didn't- several columns have repeat digits also!

Oops. My method of construction is showing. :) Replace one of the
lines "615 823 947" by "582 394 761" and all will be well.

-Arthur

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