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James Dow Allen

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Nov 1, 2006, 10:12:55 PM11/1/06
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A constraint rule that does hide
in these lines
must not remain hidden.
Make one's own poem that will
your comprehension
definitely prove.
You can properly start with a noun,
pronoun,
verb, and any other part of speech
that you adapt so that this
easy rule
shall work and bear witness
you are capable to write,
also,
an obedient stanza.

And don't forget to cast,
next Tuesday,
your competent dutiful vote.
Voting altruistically for our
Representatives
is not something to disdain.

Email: (gmail) jamesdowallen

James Dow Allen

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Nov 3, 2006, 11:02:47 PM11/3/06
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A clue is needed
(methinks my puzzle too difficult).

Note:
The words are arranged into lines
arbitrarily (confusingly).
Instead they could have lain regularly
as groups of same exact size
to uncomplicate my puzzle.
Said size I'll not state --
too big hint I'll not,
as of Saturday, yet deliver.

> ... don't forget to cast,


> next Tuesday,
> your competent dutiful vote.

You aliens (non-Americans) please will
accept my sincere, sorrowful apology.

Email: (gmail) jamesdowallen

[jongware]

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Nov 4, 2006, 12:05:15 PM11/4/06
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"James Dow Allen" <jdall...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> A clue is needed
> (methinks my puzzle too difficult).

Hmm -- I rate a clear rendition as needed under the posed question.
Quandaries besides, enigmatic and in the original post stated, we cannot
work out the responds you do imagine.
Demanding resolve...

[Jw]


ken

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Nov 4, 2006, 5:39:08 PM11/4/06
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In other words you expect us, with words carefully chosen, to write an
answer which will by construction convince you of our own understanding.

James Dow Allen

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Nov 5, 2006, 12:19:11 AM11/5/06
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ken's lovely reply was:

> In other words you expect us, with words carefully chosen, to write an
> answer which will by construction convince you of our own understanding.

Aha!
Correctly deciphered, Ken. Congrats.

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James Dow Allen

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Nov 5, 2006, 12:29:23 AM11/5/06
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And did jongware write?

> > A clue is needed
> > (methinks my puzzle too difficult).
>
> [faulty poetic stanza]

Flawed, incorrect, not right;
I regret to write.
But do please try again.

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[jongware]

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Nov 5, 2006, 8:20:52 AM11/5/06
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"James Dow Allen" <jdall...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> And did jongware write?
> > > A clue is needed
> > > (methinks my puzzle too difficult).
> >
> > [faulty poetic stanza]
>
> Flawed, incorrect, not right;
> I regret to write.
> But do please try again.

I gave up and invented my own rule :)
OBPuzzle: what was it? (an easy one)

[Jw]


Arthur J. O'Dwyer

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Nov 5, 2006, 4:46:17 PM11/5/06
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On Sat, 4 Nov 2006, [jongware] wrote:
> "James Dow Allen" <jdall...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1162612967....@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> A clue is needed
>> (methinks my puzzle too difficult).
>
> Hmm -- I rate a clear rendition as needed under the posed question.
> Quandaries besides, enigmatic and in the original post stated, we cannot
^^^^^^^^^^ (oops)

> work out the responds you do imagine.
> Demanding resolve...

Yes, I spot a plain archetype in letter.
James Dow Allen solution conflicts, however.

-Arthur,
didn't spend enough time with the thesaurus

Ilan Mayer

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Nov 6, 2006, 3:45:27 PM11/6/06
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Finding out the well hidden rule that was employed in penning these
lines required significant time and effort. However, once found, it
proved to be fairly simple. This is not really surprising - a
discovery, invention, or idea may require serious efforts; however,
once present, seems to us very simple.

Please reply to drgmayer at hotmail dot com

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James Dow Allen

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Nov 7, 2006, 8:46:19 AM11/7/06
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... and Ilan Mayer wrote:
> Finding out the well hidden rule that was employed in penning these
> lines required significant time

Alas! Enjoyed the time?

> and effort. However, once found, it
> proved to be fairly simple. This is not really surprising - a
> discovery, invention, or idea may require serious efforts; however,

> once present, seems to us very [...].

Ah! Correctly done, Ilan.


A hint that will abet
able arithmeticians surely:

About five hundred quintillion against one!
That's the approximate chance
that you can construct,
ignorantly luckily,
an arbitrary sixty word adage
complying correctly with
my puzzle's strange theme.

(American definition of quintillion.
Does Europe still use alternate?)

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hagman

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Nov 10, 2006, 8:11:48 AM11/10/06
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James Dow Allen schrieb:

> (American definition of quintillion.
> Does Europe still use alternate?)

Europe has a different notion of quintillion, but actually it is the
American definition that is alternate :)

The word billion =10^12 was coined in the 15th century in France by
N.Chuquet. The US (and Brasil and Puerto Rico, to some extent Russia
and Turkey) grabbed the smaller version billion=10^9 from a short-lived
reform version.
Great Britain, Australia, South Africa and others show a somewhat mixed
usage, most others seem to tend towards the international
recommendation.

James Dow Allen

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Nov 12, 2006, 1:17:29 AM11/12/06
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Earlier I (James) wrote:
> A hint that will abet
> able arithmeticians surely:
>
> About five hundred quintillion against one!
> That's the approximate chance
> that you can construct,
> ignorantly luckily,
> an arbitrary sixty word adage
> complying correctly with
> my puzzle's strange theme.

Assistance:

4!^60/4 ~= 500*10^18

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Richard Sabey

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Nov 12, 2006, 11:16:16 AM11/12/06
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James Dow Allen wrote:

> Assistance:
>
> 4!^60/4 ~= 500*10^18
>
> Email: (gmail) jamesdowallen

Aha! All becomes clear in mathematics quite simply.

Do following lines match (albeit constrained further!) the
aforementioned constraint that you are seeking?
http://www.rsabey.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wordplay/alphabetical.html

Mark P

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Nov 12, 2006, 3:39:26 PM11/12/06
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Ah, I see your approach, but isn't it:

(4!)^(60/4)?

A couple missing parentheses can change everything. Still, an enjoyable
exercise.

Mark

hagman

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Nov 12, 2006, 5:17:14 PM11/12/06
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If my thoughts, trivial in nature, stroll unendingly around in James's
riddle, and suddenly witness - zap! - a basic emerging pattern in most
notes occuring - even from later posters - I impossibly in interesting
and as attractive words as given in James Allen's original posting text
can express my respect for that very weird constraint rule that
thoroughly hid in the wording.
:)

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