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Leroy Quet

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Jun 7, 2002, 6:57:08 PM6/7/02
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Just curious:

What is the longest English-language palindrome that has ever been published?


And:
What is the longest single English word that is a palindrome?

Thanks,
Leroy Quet

Duane Cahill

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Jun 7, 2002, 7:08:44 PM6/7/02
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"Leroy Quet" <qqq...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Just curious:
>
> What is the longest English-language palindrome that has ever been
published?

There was obviously more to the building of the Panama Canal than a man and
a plan.

A man, a plan, a canoe, pasta, heros, rajahs, a coloratura, maps, snipe,
percale, macaroni, a
gag, a banana bag, a tan, a tag, a banana bag again (or a camel), a crepe,
pins, Spam, a rut, a
Rolo, cash, a jar, sore hats, a peon, a canal--Panama!

It turns out that all 61 members of the senior class at Palindrome High
decided to head out to
the beach on senior skip day. They were all suspended. The principal's
reasoning?

Dennis, Nell, Edna, Leon, Nedra, Anita, Rolf, Nora, Alice, Carol, Leo, Jane,
Reed, Dena, Dale,
Basil, Rae, Penny, Lana, Dave, Denny, Lena, Ida, Bernadette, Ben, Ray, Lila,
Nina, Jo, Ira, Mara,
Sara, Mario, Jan, Ina, Lily, Arne, Bette, Dan, Reba, Diane, Lynn, Ed, Eva,
Dana, Lynne, Pearl,
Isabel, Ada, Ned, Dee, Rena, Joel, Lora, Cecil, Aaron, Flora, Tina, Arden,
Noel, and Ellen
sinned.

Edgar De Blieck

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Jun 7, 2002, 9:05:04 PM6/7/02
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I like the old chestnut - was it Eliot's toilet I saw, though it isn't very
long, but it works as a puzzle.

EDEB.
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Mike Keith

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Jun 7, 2002, 10:07:58 PM6/7/02
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>What is the longest English-language palindrome that has ever been published?
>

Don't know for sure, but there is "Dr. Awkward & Olson in Oslo", a palindrome
of 31,954 words published by Lawrence Levine in 1986. That's the longest I'm
aware of in English.


Mike Keith
Word play, math, music:
http://users.aol.com/s6sj7gt/mikehome.htm

Robert Israel

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Jun 7, 2002, 11:42:07 PM6/7/02
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In article <b4be2fdf.02060...@posting.google.com>,
Leroy Quet <qqq...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>What is the longest single English word that is a palindrome?


S

P

O

I

L

E

R

S

P

A

C

E

There are several 7-letter palindromes, including deified, repaper and
rotator. I didn't find any 8's.

Robert Israel isr...@math.ubc.ca
Department of Mathematics http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Z2

Dan Tilque

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Jun 8, 2002, 2:36:08 AM6/8/02
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"Robert Israel" <isr...@math.ubc.ca> wrote

> Leroy Quet <qqq...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >What is the longest single English word that is a palindrome?
>
>
> S
>
> P
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> O
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> I
>
> L
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> E
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> R
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> S
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> P
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> A
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> E
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> There are several 7-letter palindromes, including deified,
> repaper and rotator. I didn't find any 8's.

See this page for the best in English palindromic words:
http://members.aol.com/gulfhigh2/words5.html

I'm not too thrilled with the 12-letter Joycean coinage, so the
longest in my opinion, are the two eleven letter ones.

As far as an 8, I like rood-door.

--
Dan Tilque


Richard Heathfield

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Jun 8, 2002, 2:52:10 AM6/8/02
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Duane Cahill wrote:
>
> "Leroy Quet" <qqq...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:b4be2fdf.02060...@posting.google.com...
> > Just curious:
> >
> > What is the longest English-language palindrome that has ever been
> published?
>
> There was obviously more to the building of the Panama Canal than a man and
> a plan.
>
> A man, a plan, a canoe, pasta, heros, rajahs, a coloratura, maps, snipe,
> percale, macaroni, a
> gag, a banana bag, a tan, a tag, a banana bag again (or a camel), a crepe,
> pins, Spam, a rut, a
> Rolo, cash, a jar, sore hats, a peon, a canal--Panama!

/* this version is somewhat longer, and exhibits a rather delightful
Seussian flavour in one part. */

A man, a plan, a caret, a ban, a myriad, a sum, a lac, a liar, a hoop, a
pint, a catalpa, a gas, an oil, a bird, a yell, a vat, a caw, a pax, a
wag, a tax, a nay, a ram, a cap, a yam, a gay, a tsar, a wall, a car, a
luger, a bin, a woman, a vassal, a wolf, a tuna, a nit, a pall, a fret,
a watt, a bay, a daub, a tan, a cab, a datum, a gall, a hat, a fag, a
zap, a say, a jaw, a lay, a wet, a gallop, a tug, a trot, a trap, a
tram, a torr, a caper, a top, a tonk, a toll, a ball, a fair, a sax, a
minim, a tenor, a bass, a passer, a capital, a rut, an amen, a ted, a
cabal, a tang, a sun, an ass, a maw, a sag, a jam, a dam, a sub, a salt,
an axon, a sail, an ad, a wadi, a radian, a room, a rood, a rip, a tad,
a pariah, a revel, a reel, a reed, a pool, a plug, a pin, a peek, a
parabola, a dog, a pat, a cud, a nu, a fan, a pal, a rum, a nod, an eta,
a lag, an eel, a batik, a mug, a mot, a nap, a maxim, a mood, a leek, a
grub, a gob, a gel, a drab, a citadel, a total, a cedar, a tap, a gag, a
rat, a manor, a bar, a gal, a cola, a pap, a yaw, a tab, a raj, a gab, a
nag, a pagan,

The 'p' of 'pagan' is the midpoint. Those who care can turn it around
themselves. :-)

(This palindrome was created by a C program written by Dan Hoey and
published on pp105-106 of 0-13-177429-8.)

--
Richard Heathfield : bin...@eton.powernet.co.uk
"Usenet is a strange place." - Dennis M Ritchie, 29 July 1999.
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Stephan Bird

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Jun 8, 2002, 4:11:05 AM6/8/02
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Leroy Quet wrote:
> Just curious:
>
> What is the longest English-language palindrome that has ever been
> published?

I think there has been a novel (or at least, a short book) published that's
a palindrome. Details in an oldish Guinness Book of Records (don't have it
handy at the minute)

Stephan
--
Stephan Bird MChem(Hons) AMRSC
Stephan...@Mad.Scientist.ComREMOVE


Gerrit de Blaauw

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Jun 8, 2002, 1:31:10 PM6/8/02
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Dan Tilque wrote:

> I'm not too thrilled with the 12-letter Joycean coinage, so the
> longest in my opinion, are the two eleven letter ones.
>
> As far as an 8, I like rood-door.

A good (2,360 Google results) 11-letter Dutch palindrome is "meetsysteem",
measuring system.

--
"Mooie zeden in Ede," zei oom.

Dogstar

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Jun 8, 2002, 2:09:47 PM6/8/02
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"Leroy Quet" <qqq...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Just curious:
>

> What is the longest single English word that is a palindrome?
>
> Thanks,
> Leroy Quet

Not an "English" word, but how about:

Malayalam (principle language of the South Indian state of Kerala)

Some silly "long palindromes":

The word used by someone falling off a very high cliff:
"aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..."

The word used by a very tired person: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..."

One can "re-paper" a wall.
The person who does this a second time would be a "re-re-paperer"
The person who does this yet again would be a "re-re-re-papererer"
The person who does this yet again would be a "re-re-re-re-paperererer"
etc...


-Dogstar


Dan Tilque

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Jun 8, 2002, 11:37:39 PM6/8/02
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"Gerrit de Blaauw" <west...@biggekerke.nl> wrote in message
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>
>
> Dan Tilque wrote:
>
> > I'm not too thrilled with the 12-letter Joycean coinage, so
the
> > longest in my opinion, are the two eleven letter ones.
> >
> > As far as an 8, I like rood-door.
>
> A good (2,360 Google results) 11-letter Dutch palindrome is
> "meetsysteem", measuring system.

And that's probably the longest one in a Dutch dictionary. But
since the OP was asking for English palindromes, that doesn't do
much towards answering it.

As far as the palindromic books, there are actually two of them.
As this page ( http://www.philobiblon.com/isitabook/games/ )
says:

# In 1980, David Stephens wrote a 58,000 letter palindrome
# "Satire: Veritas." Lawrence Levine wrote a palindromic
# novel of 31,957 words, Dr. Awkward and Olson in Oslo in
# 1986.

--
Dan Tilque


Surendar Jeyadev

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Jun 10, 2002, 6:12:18 PM6/10/02
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In article <adruef$bn7$1...@nntp.itservices.ubc.ca>,

Robert Israel <isr...@math.ubc.ca> wrote:
>In article <b4be2fdf.02060...@posting.google.com>,
>Leroy Quet <qqq...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>What is the longest single English word that is a palindrome?
>

>There are several 7-letter palindromes, including deified, repaper and
>rotator. I didn't find any 8's.

If you do not mind proper nouns: Malayalam. It is the language spoken
in the southern state of Kerala, in India.
--

Surendar Jeyadev jey...@wrc.xerox.bounceback.com

Remove 'bounceback' for email address

Neuendorffer

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Jun 10, 2002, 11:34:28 PM6/10/02
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Leroy Quet wrote:

> What is the longest single English word that is a palindrome?

What is the longest single English word that transforms into itself
backwards when the alphabet is reversed (e.g., A<=>Z, B<=>Y, C<=>X)?

Example: WIZARD
DRAZIW

Is there an eight letter word?

Art Neuendorffer

Robert Israel

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Jun 11, 2002, 1:58:08 AM6/11/02
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In article <3D056FC4...@erols.com>, Neuendorffer <ph...@erols.com> wrote:

>What is the longest single English word that transforms into itself
>backwards when the alphabet is reversed (e.g., A<=>Z, B<=>Y, C<=>X)?

> Example: WIZARD
> DRAZIW

> Is there an eight letter word?


S

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L

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S

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A

C

E

None in my word lists. And the only other 6-letter example I found was
"hovels".

Ben Zimmer

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Jun 11, 2002, 2:08:31 AM6/11/02
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Robert Israel wrote:
>
> In article <3D056FC4...@erols.com>, Neuendorffer <ph...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >What is the longest single English word that transforms into itself
> >backwards when the alphabet is reversed (e.g., A<=>Z, B<=>Y, C<=>X)?
>
> > Example: WIZARD
> > DRAZIW
>
> > Is there an eight letter word?
>

> None in my word lists.

The OED has "klop-klop", a reduplicated form of "klop" ('the sound of
the impact of something solid on a hard surface').

> And the only other 6-letter example I found was
> "hovels".

Another one is "hivers".

--Ben

Mike Williams

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Jun 11, 2002, 2:16:19 AM6/11/02
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Wasn't it Neuendorffer who wrote:

>What is the longest single English word that transforms into itself
>backwards when the alphabet is reversed (e.g., A<=>Z, B<=>Y, C<=>X)?
>
> Example: WIZARD
> DRAZIW
>
> Is there an eight letter word?

I don't believe so. I don't even think there's a seven letter word.

Another six letter word is HOVELS.

I can only find one pair of seven letter English words that convert into
each other backwards when the alphabet is reversed, and none longer than
that.


Spoiler space in case anyone wants to try to find it themselves...


...

...

...


...

BOORISH <=> SHRILLY

--
Mike Williams
Gentleman of Leisure

Neuendorffer

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Jun 11, 2002, 6:11:12 AM6/11/02
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> > In article <3D056FC4...@erols.com>, Neuendorffer <ph...@erols.com> wrote:
> >
> > >What is the longest single English word that transforms into itself
> > >backwards when the alphabet is reversed (e.g., A<=>Z, B<=>Y, C<=>X)?
> >
> > > Example: WIZARD
> > > DRAZIW
> >
> > > Is there an eight letter word?

> Robert Israel wrote:
> >
> > None in my word lists.

Ben Zimmer wrote:
>
> The OED has "klop-klop", a reduplicated form of "klop" ('the sound of
> the impact of something solid on a hard surface').
>
> > And the only other 6-letter example I found was
> > "hovels".
>
> Another one is "hivers".

Thanks to Robert & Ben.

Art Neuendorffer

Neuendorffer

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Jun 11, 2002, 6:19:32 AM6/11/02
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> Wasn't it Neuendorffer who wrote:
>
> >What is the longest single English word that transforms into itself
> >backwards when the alphabet is reversed (e.g., A<=>Z, B<=>Y, C<=>X)?
> >
> > Example: WIZARD
> > DRAZIW
> >
> > Is there an eight letter word?

Mike Williams wrote:

> I don't believe so.
> I don't even think there's a seven letter word.

Not surprised about that. :-)



> Another six letter word is HOVELS.
>
> I can only find one pair of seven letter English words that convert into
> each other backwards when the alphabet is reversed, and none longer than
> that.

Then how about pairs of seven letter English words that convert into
each other FOREwards when the alphabet is reversed,

Art Neuendorffer

Neuendorffer

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Jun 11, 2002, 6:43:15 AM6/11/02
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> Wasn't it Neuendorffer who wrote:
>
> >What is the longest single English word that transforms into itself
> >backwards when the alphabet is reversed (e.g., A<=>Z, B<=>Y, C<=>X)?
> >
> > Example: WIZARD
> > DRAZIW
-----------------------------------------------------------
King Richard III Act 1, Scene 1

CLARENCE Yea, Richard, when I know; for I protest

[A]s yet I do not: but, as I can learn,
[H]e hearkens after prophecies and dreams;
[A]nd from the cross-row plucks the letter G.

[A]nd says a WIZARD told him that by G
[H]is issue disinherited should be;
[A]nd, for my name of George begins with G,

It follows in his thought that I am he.
---------------------------------------------------------------


> > Is there an eight letter word?

Mike Williams wrote:

> I don't believe so.

> I can only find one pair of seven letter English words that convert


> into each other backwards when the alphabet is reversed,

---------------------------------------------------------------
As You Like It Act 5, Scene 1

TOUCHSTONE He, sir, that must marry this woman. Therefore, you
clown, abandon,--which is in the vulgar leave,--the
society,--which in the boorish is company,--of this
female,--which in the common is woman; which
together is, abandon the society of this female, or,
clown, thou perishest; or, to thy better
understanding, diest; or, to wit I kill thee, make
thee away, translate thy life into death, thy
liberty into bondage: I will deal in poison with
thee, or in bastinado, or in steel; I will bandy
with thee in faction; I will o'errun thee with
policy; I will kill thee a hundred and fifty ways:
therefore tremble and depart.
--------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.southhouse.com/useless/factlib4.htm

<<In 1530 the Veronese physician Girolamo Fracastoro gave
syphilis its modern name in his famous poem, known in
Latin as Syphilis sive morbus gallicus. Fracastoro told
the tale of a shepherd from Hispaniola who contracted a
dreadful disease as a punishment for being disrespectful
to the gods. In the poem, the shepherd was called
Syphilus, and he lent his name to the disease
from which he died so horribly.>>

<<How ironical Shakespeare must have found the fact that
Girolamo Fracastoro should have been a physician
of the eternal lovers' town, Verona>> -Shakespeare_ Anthony Burgess
--------------------------------------------------------------
Timon of Athens Act 4, Scene 3

TIMON Consumptions sow
In hollow bones of man; strike their sharp shins,
And mar men's spurring. Crack the lawyer's voice,
That he may never more false title plead,
Nor sound his quillets shrilly: hoar the flamen,
That scolds against the quality of flesh,
And not believes himself: down with the nose,
Down with it flat; take the bridge quite away
Of him that, his particular to foresee,
Smells from the general weal: make curl'd-pate
ruffians bald;
And let the unscarr'd braggarts of the war
Derive some pain from you: plague all;
That your activity may defeat and quell
The source of all erection. There's more gold:
Do you damn others, and let this damn you,
And ditches grave you all!
---------------------------------------------------------
Art Neuendorffer

Neuendorffer

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Jun 11, 2002, 12:33:07 PM6/11/02
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> Wasn't it Neuendorffer who wrote:
>
> >What is the longest single English word that transforms into itself
> >backwards when the alphabet is reversed (e.g., A<=>Z, B<=>Y, C<=>X)?
> >
> > Example: WIZARD
> > DRAZIW
> >
> > Is there an eight letter word?

Mike Williams wrote:

> I don't believe so.

> I can only find one pair of seven letter English words that convert into
> each other backwards when the alphabet is reversed, and none longer than
> that.

It would be unusually to find both of your rare words in the same
chapter. . . unless placed there intentionally by an author who was also
rather fond of the word WIZARD:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Scarlet Letter - Hawthorne
CHAPTER XXII - THE PROCESSION

"Fie, woman--fie!" cried the old lady, shaking her finger at
Hester. "Dost thou think I have been to the forest so many
times, and have yet no skill to judge who else has been there?
Yea, though no leaf of the wild garlands whicFh they wore while
they danced be left in their hair! I know thee, Hester, for I
behold the token. We may all see it in the sunshine! and it
glows like a red flame in the dark. Thou wearest it openly, so
there need be no question about that. But this minister! Let me
tell thee in thine ear! When the Black Man sees one of his own
servants, signed and sealed, so shy of owning to the bond as is
the Reverend Mr. Dimmesdale, he hath a way of ordering matters
so that the mark shall be disclosed, in open daylight, to the
eyes of all the world! What is that the minister seeks to hide,
with his hand always over his heart? Ha, Hester Prynne?"
"What is it, good Mistress Hibbins?" eagerly asked little Pearl.
"Hast thou seen it?"
"No matter, darling!" responded Mistress Hibbins, making Pearl
a profound reverence. "Thou thyself wilt see it, one time or
another. They say, child, thou art of the lineage of the Prince
of Air! Wilt thou ride with me some fine night to see thy
father? Then thou shalt know wherefore the minister keeps his
hand over his heart!"
Laughing so SHRILLY that all the market-place could hear her,
the weird old gentlewoman took her departure.

. . .

There were many people present from the country round about,
who had often heard of the scarlet letter, and to whom
it had been made terrific by a hundred false or exaggerated
rumours, but who had never beheld it with their own bodily eyes.
These, after exhausting other modes of amusement, now thronged
about Hester Prynne with rude and BOORISH intrusiveness.
---------------------------------------------------------------
House of Seven Gables - Hawthorne

His home would include the home of the dead and buried WIZARD, and
would thus afford the ghost of the latter a kind of privilege to haunt
its new apartments, and the chambers into which future bridegrooms were
to lead their brides, and where children of the Pyncheon blood were to
be born.

But the Puritan soldier and magistrate was not a man to be
turned aside from his well-considered scheme, either by dread of
the WIZARD's ghost, or by flimsy sentimentalities of any kind,

The popular imagination, indeed, long kept itself busy with the affair
of the old Puritan Pyncheon and the WIZARD Maule; the curse which the
latter flung from his scaffold was remembered, with the very important
addition, that it had become a part of the Pyncheon inheritance.

Being of an eccentric and melancholy turn of mind, and greatly given to
rummaging old records and hearkening to old traditions, he had brought
himself, it is averred, to the conclusion that Matthew Maule, the
WIZARD, had been foully wronged out of his homestead, if not out of his
life.

I doubt whether an old WIZARD Maule's anathema, of which you told me
once, would have had much weight with Providence against them."

She had heard of the anathema flung by Maule, the executed WIZARD,
against Colonel Pyncheon and his posterity,--that God would give them
blood to drink,--and likewise of the popular notion, that this
miraculous blood might now and then be heard gurgling in their throats.

By the bye, did you ever hear the story of Maule, the WIZARD, and what
happened between him and your immeasurably great-grandfather?" "Yes,
indeed!" said Phoebe; "I heard it long ago, from my father, and two or
three times from my cousin Hepzibah, in the month that I have been here.
She seems to think that all the calamities of the Pyncheons began from
that quarrel with the WIZARD, as you call him.

Even if the Colonel would be quiet," he added, muttering to himself,
"my old grandfather, the WIZARD, will be pretty sure to stick to the
Pyncheons as long as their walls hold together."

He was the grandson of a former Matthew Maule, one of the early settlers
of the town, and who had been a famous and terrible WIZARD in his day.

This pestilent WIZARD (in whom his just punishment seemed to have
wrought no manner of amendment) had an inveterate habit of haunting a
certain mansion, styled the House of the Seven Gables, against the owner
of which he pretended to hold an unsettled claim for ground-rent.

It was a wild story, perhaps, but seemed not altogether so incredible to
those who could remember what an inflexibly obstinate old fellow this
WIZARD Maule had been. Now, the WIZARD's grandson, the young Matthew
Maule of our story, was popularly supposed to have inherited some of his
ancestor's questionable traits.

So young Maule went straight to the principal entrance, beneath a portal
of carved oak, and gave such a peal of the iron knocker that you would
have imagined the stern old WIZARD himself to be standing at the
threshold.

It was an ordinary saying that the old WIZARD, hanged though he was, had
obtained the best end of the bargain in his contest with Colonel
Pyncheon; inasmuch as he had got possession of the great Eastern claim,
in exchange for an acre or two of garden-ground. A very aged woman,
recently dead, had often used the metaphorical expression, in her
fireside talk, that miles and miles of the Pyncheon lands had been
shovelled into Maule's grave; which, by the bye, was but a very shallow
nook, between two rocks, near the summit of Gallows Hill. Again, when
the lawyers were making inquiry for the missing document, it was a
by-word that it would never be found, unless in the WIZARD's skeleton
hand. So much weight had the shrewd lawyers assigned to these fables,
that (but Mr. Pyncheon did not see fit to inform the carpenter of the
fact) they had secretly caused the WIZARD's grave to be searched.
Nothing was discovered, however, except that, unaccountably, the right
hand of the skeleton was gone. Now, what was unquestionably important, a
portion of these
popular rumors could be traced, though rather doubtfully and
indistinctly, to chance words and obscure hints of the executed WIZARD's
son, and the father of this present Matthew Maule.

But, on the other hand, had not a whole Community believed Maule's
grandfather to be a WIZARD? Had not the crime been proved? Had not the
WIZARD died for it? Had he not bequeathed a legacy of hatred against the
Pyncheons to this only grandson, who, as it appeared, was now about to
exercise a subtle influence over the daughter of his enemy's house?
Might not this influence be the same that was called witchcraft?

"Villain!" cried Mr. Pyncheon, shaking his clenched fist at Maule. "You
and the fiend together have robbed me of my daughter. Give her back,
spawn of the old WIZARD, or you shall
climb Gallows Hill in your grandfather's footsteps!"

As for the secret, it is the only inheritance that has come down to me
from my ancestors. You should have known sooner (only that I was afraid
of frightening you away) that, in this long drama of wrong and
retribution, I represent the old WIZARD, and am probably as much a
WIZARD ever he was. The son of the executed Matthew Maule, while
building this house, took the opportunity to construct that recess, and
hide away the Indian deed, on which depended the immense land-claim of
the Pyncheons. Thus they bartered their eastern territory for Maule's
garden-ground."

Maule's well, all this time, though left in solitude, was
throwing up a succession of kaleidoscopic pictures, in which a
gifted eye might have seen foreshadowed the coming fortunes of
Hepzibah and Clifford, and the descendant of the legendary
WIZARD, and the village maiden, over whom he had thrown Love's
web of sorcery. The Pyncheon Elm, moreover, with what foliage
the September gale had spared to it, whispered unintelligible
prophecies. And wise Uncle Venner, passing slowly from the
ruinous porch, seemed to hear a strain of music, and fancied
that sweet Alice Pyncheon--after witnessing these deeds, this
bygone woe and this present happiness, of her kindred
mortals--had given one farewell touch of a spirit's joy
upon her harpsichord, as she floated heavenward from
the HOUSE OF THE SEVEN GABLES!
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Art Neuendorffer

Mike Williams

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>Mike Williams wrote:
>> I can only find one pair of seven letter English words that convert into
>> each other backwards when the alphabet is reversed, and none longer than
>> that.
>
> Then how about pairs of seven letter English words that convert into
>each other FOREwards when the alphabet is reversed,

I can't seem to find any longer than five letters: GROGS <=> TILTH.

Neuendorffer

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> Just curious:
>
> What is the longest English-language palindrome that has ever been published?
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REVERSIBLE WORDS
http://members.aol.com/gulfhigh2/words5.html
[Pierre Abbat, Randal May, Chris Hendricks, Rudy Wang, Stuart Kidd].
Some words which, when spelled backwards, form other words are:

AMAROID/DIORAMA,
ANIMAL/LAMINA,
DEIFIER/REIFIED,
DELIVER/REVILED,
DENIER/REINED,
DENIES/SEINED,
DENNIS/SINNED,
DESSERT/TRESSED,
DESSERTS/STRESSED,
DIAPER/REPAID,
DRAWER/REWARD,
ECITON/NOTICE,
ELIDES/SEDILE,
ENAMOR/ROMANE,
GATEMAN/NAMETAG,
LEPER/REPEL,
LIVED/DEVIL,
LOOTER/RETOOL,
MULLAHS/SHALLUM,
PACER/RECAP,
PARTS/STRAP,
PILFER/REFLIP,
PUPILS/SLIPUP,
REDIPS/SPIDER,
REDRAW/WARDER,
REFLOW/WOLFER,
REKNIT/TINKER,
REKNITS/STINKER,
RECAPS/SPACER,
REVOTES/SETOVER,
SATRAPS/SPARTAS,
SKUA/AUKS,
SLEETS/STEELS,
SLOOPS/SPOOLS,
SNOOPS/SPOONS,
SPORTS/STROPS,
STRAW/WARTS
---------------------------------------------------
http://members.aol.com/gulfhigh2/words5.html

PALINDROMES

Common personal names include ADA, ANNA, ASA, BOB, CEC (for Cecil),
EVE, HANNAH, NAN, OTTO, VIV, and VYV.

Common everyday English palindromes (including a few very common
abbreviations) are A, AHA, BB, BIB, BOB, BOOB, BUB, CIVIC, DAD, DEED,
DEIFIED, DENNED, DEWED, DID, DUD, DVD, EKE, ERE, EVE, EWE, EYE, GAG,
GIG, HAH, HUH, I, KAYAK, KOOK, LEVEL, MA’AM, MADAM, MOM, MUM, NOON, NUN,
PAP, PCP, PEEP, PEP, PIP, POOP, POP, PULL-UP, PUP, PUT-UP, RACECAR,
RADAR, REDDER, REFER, REPAPER, REVIVER, ROTATOR, ROTOR, SAGAS, SEES,
SEXES, SHAHS, SIS, SOLOS, SOS, STATS, TAT, TENET, TIT, TNT, TOT, TOOT,
TUT, TUT-TUT, WOW, and ZZZ.

Here's a selection of some of the more interesting palindromes found in
various English-language reference works (mostly dictionaries):

AA rough scoriaceous lava. (W3)
ADINIDA a group of protozoans belonging to the order Dinoflagellata.
(W3)
AFOFA a Portuguese dance (Funk & Wagnall's New Standard Dictionary of
the English Language, 1941)
AITIA plural of aition, a tale devised to explain the origin of a
religious observance. (W3)
ALULA the bastard wing on a bird. (MWCD10)
BACAB one of 4 Mayan brother gods that hold up the sky. (Encyclopaedia
Britannica, 1991)
BEEB informal term for the BBC. (OED2)
CAMMAC copper halfpenny in use in Ireland in the early 19th century (The
Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia, 1911)
CINENIC related to cinene, a terpene derived from cineol. (OED2)
DEVOVED archaic word meaning devoted or dedicated. (W3)
FINNIF slang term for a five dollar bill. (OED2)
GIPSY’S PIG the hedgehog. (OED2)
GOOG Australian slang for egg. (W3)
HADEDAH, HADADAH type of ibis. (W3, OED2)
HALALAH var. of halala, a unit of currency in Saudi Arabia (= 1/100
riyal). (W3)
IGIGI a group of heavenly spirits under the god Anu in Babylonian
religion. (W3)
KAZAK Turkic people of central Asia. (W3)
LEMEL metal filings. (W3)
LIA FAIL stone on which the ancient kings of Ireland were crowned (W2)
LYSYL the acid radical of lysine. (W3)
MALAYALAM Dravidian language spoken in SW India. (MWCD10)
MARRAM a type of beach grass. (MWCD10)
MINIM 1/60 of a fluid dram. (W3)
MURDRUM secret murder. (W3)
NAAN a round flat leavened bread of the Indian subcontinent.(MWCD10)
NAURUAN inhabitant of Nauru, a Pacific island nation. (W3)
NIKIN a very soft animal. (OED2)
NISIN an antibiotic produced by a bacterium of the genus Streptomyces
(W3)
OGOPOGO monster supposedly living in Lake Okanagan in British Columbia.
(OED2)
OO a Hawaiian honey eater. (W3)
OTTETTO octet, a musical composition for 8 parts. (W2)
OXO containing oxygen (MWCD10)
PEEWEEP lapwing or greenfinch. (W3)
QAZAQ var of Kazak (see above). (W3)
RACK CAR a railroad car having end racks but no sides. (W3)
REIFIER person who regards an abstract idea as a material or concrete
thing. (American Heritage Dictionary)
ROOD-DOOR door in the rood screen of a medieval church. (Catholic
Encyclopedia, 1913)
ROTAVATOR trademark for a rotory tiller in the United Kingdom. (OED2)
SAWBWAS hereditary rulers of a Sahn state of Burma (W3)
SEMITIMES an undefined term in W2 but logically meaning 'half times'.
SENONES a Celtic people living in northern Italy (W2)
TEBET the 4th month of the Jewish calendar (MWCD10)
TUNG NUT seed of the tung tree. (Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1980)
YARAY Puerto Rican fan palms. (W3)

REDIVIDER is the name of a Canadian band. The word does not appear in
the OED2 and an Internet search in March 2000 failed to find a single
use of the word, except for its appearance in lists of palindromes or as
the name of the band.

RELEVELER is the name of a rock band (link). However, the word is not
found in the OED2 and does not appear to exist on the Internet except as
the name of the rock band or as an example of a palindrome.

DELEVELED is used in fantasy role playing games to indicate that a
character has lost a level. Several usages with this meaning can be
found on the Internet.

Long coined palindromes which do not appear in dictionaries and for
which no usages have been found in Web searches include DEGARAGED,
DEROTATORED, DEROTORED, DESUFFUSED, REGARAGER, REROTATORER, REROTORER,
and RESUFFUSER.

TATTARRATTAT is the longest palindrome in the OED2, which calls it a
nonce word. The OED2 shows a single use in 1922 by James Joyce in
Ulysses: "I knew his tattarrattat at the door."

KINNIKINNIK is the longest palindrome in W3. The OED2 shows these
variant spellings: kinnikinnic, kinnikinnik, killegenico, kanickanick,
kanikanik, killickinnick, kin(n)ikin(n)ick, -kineck, -kennic,
kinnakinnec. Audubon L. Bakewell IV reports the word is usually spelled
kinnikinnick. The OED2 defines the term as "a mixture used by North
American Indians as a substitute for tobacco, or for mixing with it..."
or "any of the various plants used for this, as the Silky Cornel, Cornus
sericea, Red-osier Dogwood, Cornus stolonifera, and esp. Bearberry,
Arctostaphylos Uva-ursi...." The word is derived from an Algonquin word
meaning "mixture."

DETARTRATED is listed by Guinness, where it is described as "a contrived
chemical term." However, the word appears in several Internet pages on
Concord grape juice and even once or twice on apple juice, including

http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/hort/faculty/pool/herbbarber/herbgage3.htm
which has this paragraph:

Concord contains potassium salts commonly called tartrates that
won't filter or centrifuge out. Must be allowed to settle out by gravity
- minimum of 6 weeks, before it's detartrated and ready to use.
Otherwise will have sediment in the bottom of the bottle of juice and
the jelly will be a little grainy.

Detartrated is said to have been coined by Dmitri Borgmann.

DETANNATED appears in a work on plant extracts published in 1892. It
shows two detannated concoctions, detannated elixir of calisaya bark and
detannated elixir of cinchona. The text can be found at
http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/ManualsOther/ElixForm.txt According to
the Palindromicon, "detannated tincture of cinchona" appears in the 8th
revision of the Pharmacopoeia of the U. S.

The longest palindromic taxons are AFGOIOGFA (a genus of hymenopterans)
and ALLENELLA (a species name for a moth, Oecophoridae Bibarrambla
allenella) as well as a type of mollusk [Susan Thorpe].

The longest palindromic genus-species combination is
ORIZABUS SUBAZIRO (a species of scarab beetle).
Other palindromic genus-species combinations are AHA HA (a sphecid)
and XELA ALEX (a species of syrphid fly).

Palindromic place names include KANAKANAK (Alaska), KINIKINIK (Alberta),
NEUQUEN (a river, province, and city in Argentina), and WASSAMASSAW Road
(near Summerville, South Carolina). The northernmost palindrome is
QAANAAQ (the administrative capital of Northern Greenland).

GLENELG is one of the most common palindromic geographic names
worldwide. The original is a village in Scotland. There's also a town in
Maryland, a suburb of Adelaide, South Australia, a village in Nova
Scotia, and a township in Ontario. Because there was a Lord Glenelg (the
only one with that name) who was the British Colonial Secretary in the
1830s, the name is on various other features, such as streets and
rivers, in Australia and New Zealand. At Glenelg High School in
Maryland, the yearbook is the Palindrome.

AKASAKA is a district in Chuo, Tokyo [Joseph Hernandez].

The Finnish word SAIPPUAKIVIKAUPPIAS (a soapstone seller) is the longest
known palindrome in any language according to the Guinness Book of World
Records. It is claimed that two other Finnish palindromes are
SAIPPUAKUPPINIPPUKAUPPIAS (soap cup trader) and
SOLUTOMAATTIMITTAAMOTULOS (the result from a measurement laboratory for
tomatoes) although technically the latter is a compound of four words.
The Swedish word PORTUGALRALLARLAGUTROP (22 letters) is listed in
Guinness, Swedish 1989 edition, but is not found in dictionaries.

According to Maarten van Muijen, the longest palindrome in Dutch is
PARTERRESERRETRAP, which is translated "stairs from the main floor to a
glass-covered terrace."

However, a reader of this page provided a longer Dutch palindrome,
KOORTSMEETSYSTEEMSTROOK, which she translates as "fever measure system
strip."

Miroslav Sedivy writes, "There is one excellent Czech (also Slovak)
palindrome unique by its usage: TAHAT (even vertically symmetrical). It
means 'pull' in sense of pulling a door to open it. So if you see it on
a transparent sticker on a glass door (and I've seen many such doors in
Czechoslovakia), it's interesting to see people pulling doors from both
sides..."

The Hebrew alphabet has three palindromic letter names: MEM, NUN, and
WAW. A variant spelling of waw is VAV and a variant spelling of another
letter name, teth, is TET.

KRK is a Croatian island [Juozas Rimas].

SOS by ABBA was a hit recording with a palindromic title and artist.
Palindromic album titles include Ole ELO by the Electric Light
Orchestra, LIVE EVIL by Black Sabbath and by Miles Davis, EVIL LIVE by
The Misfits, UFO TOFU by Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, AJA by Steely
Dan, and AOXOMOXOA by the Grateful Dead. AHA is a Norwegian pop group.

Palindromic drug names include XANAX, RAXAR, LEXXEL, LOZOL, and MERREM
[Dennis Miller].

YREKA BAKERY is a famous palindrome, the name of an actual bakery in
Yreka, California, which closed in the early 1960s. There is now a deli
with the same name. The location of the original bakery is now
occupied by an art gallery named yrellaGallery. An Internet search
reveals the existence of an album titled Yreka Bakery by a band called
Pep Squad. Mark D. Lew wrote in 2001, "About four years ago, on a road
trip
up I-5, I made a point of stopping in Yreka to look for the famous deli.
It was Sunday evening, so it was closed, but I can attest that it does
indeed exist. On Hwy 24, between Walnut Creek and Oakland (where I
live),
there is a building with 'Elite Tile' displayed in large letters, easily
visible from the freeway." Dan Tilque provides the name of a refiner in
El Dorado, Arkansas, LION OIL.

In Swedish, NATURRUTAN ("nature square") is the title of a nature TV
program. And a somewhat contrived palindrome in Swedish is
PORTUGALRALLARLAGUTROP ("Portugal"=the country, "rallarlag"=a team of
navies, "utrop"=exclamation, outcry) [Fredrik Viklund].

LON NOL (1913-1985) was a general and political leader in Cambodia.

LEON NOEL was born on Christmas Eve in 1908 and became a child celebrity
in his hometown of Valparaiso, Indiana. He was included in Robert L.
Ripley's Ripley's Believe It or Not. Noel lived most of his life in St.
Petersburg, Fla. He died in Largo, Fla., on Christmas Day 1999.

RAMON LLULL (fl. AD 1300) was a Catalan mystic and poet whose writings
helped to develop the Romance Catalan language and widely influenced
Neoplatonic mysticism throughout medieval and 17th-century
Europe. He is also called Raymond Lully.

GLYCYLGLYCYLGLYCYLGLYCINE has a 19-letter internal palindrome
(from the first to the last C).
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Noam D. Elkies

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In article <3D068CCD...@erols.com>,
Reffrod Neuendorffer <ph...@erols.com> wrote:

>[...]


>YREKA BAKERY is a famous palindrome, the name of an actual bakery in

>Yreka, California, which closed in the early 1960s. [...]

>Dan Tilque provides the name of a refiner in
>El Dorado, Arkansas, LION OIL.

There's a clothing and supply store called NED'S DEN
just across the street from the Berkeley campus of
the University of California. A Google search for
'"ned's den" palindrome' brings up half a dozen pages,
but none that locate the establishment.

>GLYCYLGLYCYLGLYCYLGLYCINE has a 19-letter internal palindrome
> (from the first to the last C).

This of course can be extended arbitrarily...

NDE

Patrick Hamlyn

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Seems to me it has two internal 19-letter internal palindromes...
--
Patrick Hamlyn posting from Perth, Western Australia
Windsurfing capital of the Southern Hemisphere
Moderator: polyforms group (polyforms...@egroups.com)

Earle Jones

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*
Here's a bunch of palindromes. For the longest, see: 462 below.

earle
*

Standard Palindromes

1. A.
2. A but of stressed desserts fo' tuba.
3. A car, a man, a maraca.
4. A dank, sad nap. Eels sleep and ask nada.
5. A dog! A panic in a pagoda!
6. A dog, a plan, a canal: pagoda.
7. A fine snore, rare Ronsen IFA.
8. A Fool, A Tool, A Pool; LOOPALOOTALOOFA!
9. A maj, a plan, a canal, pajama.
10. A man, a pain, a mania, Panama.
11. A man, a plan, a canal, Panama. [see Panama Palindromes below (462)]
12. A man, a plan, an anal panama.
13. A peg at lovely Tsar - a style voltage, pa.
14. A relic, Odin. I'm a mini, docile Ra.
15. A Santa at NASA.
16. A Santa deified at NASA.
17. A Santa dog lived as a devil god at NASA.
18. A Santa lived as a devil at NASA.
19. A Santa lives evil at NASA.
20. A Santa pets rats, as Pat taps a star step at NASA.
21. A Santa snaps pans at NASA.
22. A Santa snips pins at NASA.
23. A Santa spat taps at NASA.
24. A Santa spit taboo bat tips at NASA.
25. A Santa spits tips at NASA.
26. A Santa spots tops at NASA.
27. A Santa stops pots at NASA.
28. A Santa taps Pat at NASA.
29. A Santa's rats top Nat, as Satan pots tars at NASA.
30. A slut nixes sex in Tulsa.
31. A tin mug for a jar of gum, Nita.
32. A Toyota. Race fast, safe car. A Toyota
33. A Toyota.
34. Able was I, ere I saw Elba.
35. Age, irony, Noriega.
36. Ah, Satan sees Natasha.
37. Aha!
38. Al lets Della call Ed Stella.
39. Alan Alda stops racecar, spots ad: "Lana-L.A."
40. Amaryllis sillyrama.
41. An Elena call: "Eek! I let a rapper named 'DeMan Reppa' rate like
Ella." Can Elena?
42. And we saw a Jawa sew DNA.
43. Animal loots foliated detail of stool lamina.
44. Anne, I vote more cars race Rome to Vienna.
45. Are we not drawn onward to new era?
46. Are we not drawn onward, we few, drawn onward to new era?
47. Barge in. Relate mere war of 1991 for a were-metal Ernie grab.
48. Bel Paese a pleb.
49. Bird rib.
50. Bob, Level Bob.
51. Bombard a drab mob.
52. Bonk. One Mac. Newton sees not wen came (no knob).
53. Bush saw Sununu swash sub.
54. But sad Eva saved a stub.
55. Cain: A maniac.
56. Campus motto: Bottoms up, Mac.
57. Camus sees sumac.
58. Cigar? Toss it in a can. It is so tragic.
59. Daedalus: nine, Peninsula: dead.
60. Dairy myriad.
61. Dammit, I'm Mad.
62. Damn. I, Agassi, miss again. Mad.
63. Dee saw a seed.
64. Deified.
65. Deirdre wets altar of St. Simons - no mists, for at last ewer dried.
66. Del saw a sled.
67. Delia and Edna ailed
68. Delia saw I was ailed.
69. Della C., Bob called.
70. Denim axes examined.
71. Dennis and Edna sinned.
72. Dennis sinned.
73. Dennis, Nell, Edna, Leon, Nedra, Anita, Rolf, Nora, Alice, Carol,

Leo,
Jane, Reed, Dena, Dale, Basil, Rae, Penny, Lana, Dave, Denny, Lena,
Ida, Bernadette, Ben, Ray, Lila, Nina, Jo, Ira, Mara, Sara, Mario,
Jan, Ina, Lily, Arne, Bette, Dan, Reba, Diane, Lynn, Ed, Eva, Dana,
Lynne, Pearl, Isabel, Ada, Ned, Dee, Rena, Joel, Lora, Cecil, Aaron,
Flora, Tina, Arden, Noel, and Ellen sinned.

74. Depardieu, go razz a rogue I draped.
75. Desserts I stressed.
76. Detartrated.
77. Devo met a Mr., eh, DNA and her mate moved.
78. Di as dad said.
79. Did I draw Della too tall, Edward? I did?
80. Dior droid.
81. DNA-land.
82. Do geese see god?
83. Do good? I? No. Evil anon I deliver. I maim nine more hero-men in
Saginaw, sanitary sword a-tuck, Carol, I. Lo! Rack, cut a drowsy
rat in Aswan. I gas nine more hero-men in Miami. Reviled, I (Nona)
live on. I do, O God.
84. "Do nine men interpret?" "Nine men," I nod.
85. Do not start at rats to nod.
86. Doc, note I dissent a fatness. I diet on cod.
87. Doc, note I dissent. A fast never prevents a fatness. I diet on cod.
88. Dog, as a devil deified, lived as a god.
89. Dogma? I am God.
90. Don't nod.
91. Dot saw I was Tod.
92. Drab as a fool, aloof as a bard.
93. Drab bard.
94. Drat Sadat, a dastard.
95. Drat Saddam, a mad dastard.
96. Draw no dray a yard onward.
97. Draw pupil's lip upward.
98. Draw putrid dirt upward.
99. Draw, O coward.
100. Dumb mobs bomb mud.
101. Dumb mud.
102. E. Borgnine drags Dad's gardening robe.
103. Ed is on no side.
104. Ed, I saw Harpo Marx ram Oprah W. aside.
105. Eda Nomel's lemonade.
106. Eel, urbane hen a brulee.
107. Egad, no bondage.
108. Egad, a base life defiles a bad age.
109. Egad, a base tone denotes a bad age.
110. Egad, an adage.
111. Eh, consider: red is noche.
112. Embargos are macabre. Sad Nell, listen O, not to no nets. I'll lend
a
Serb a camera, so grab me.
113. Emil peed deep lime.
114. Emil saw a slime.
115. Emit a mile, lima time.
116. Emit Eno one time.
117. Emit no tot on time.
118. Emu fat sap pasta fume.
119. Enid and Edna dine.
120. Eno misses ordered roses, Simone.
121. Eno, rehtori. A fair other one.
122. Enola Devil lived alone.
123. Er, go on, trap Steven in, I say. Me oh my. Nor can an "air" bee
sew.
We see, Brian. An acronym? Hoe my asinine vet's part? No, ogre.
124. Eros' sis is sore.
125. Eros? Sidney, my end is sore.
126. Eva can ignite virtuosos out riveting in a cave.
127. Eva, can I stab bats in a cave?
128. Evade me, Dave.
129. Evil I did dwell, lewd did I live.
130. Evil olive.
131. Fart, R.A.F.
132. Feds pary trams as martyr raps. Def!
133. Feeble, el beef.
134. Flee to me, remote elf.
135. Flesh, saw I Mimi wash self.
136. Gateman sees name, garageman sees name tag.
137. Gert, I saw Ron avoid a radio-van, or was it Reg?
138. Gift fig.
139. Gnu dung.
140. Go Damian amid salad. Alas, dim Ana, I am a dog.
141. Go deliver a dare, vile dog
142. Go hang a salami, doc. Note: I dissent, a fast never prevents a
fatness. I diet on cod, I'm a lasagna hog.
143. Go hang a salami, I'm a lasagna hog.
144. Go, desire vagina. Man I gave. Rise, dog.
145. God damn mad dog.
146. God lived as a devil dog.
147. God lived on no devil dog.
148. God save Eva's dog.
149. God saw I was dog.
150. God to Hanoi on a hot dog.
151. God, a red nugget. A fat egg under a dog.
152. God, a saw was a dog.
153. God, a slap. Paris, sir, appals a dog.
154. God, Edam made dog.
155. [NEW] Gold log.
156. Goldenrod-adorned log.
157. Golf? No sir, prefer prison flog.
158. Greta? Education? No, it a cud eater, G.
159. Guns 'n' robes, a base born snug.
160. Gustav Klimt milk vats - ug.
161. Harasoo, Sarah.
162. Harass sensuousness, Sarah.
163. He did, eh?
164. He goddam mad dog, eh?
165. He maps spam, eh?
166. He stops spots, eh?
167. He won snow, eh?
168. He won't, ah, wander, Edna. What now, eh?
169. How? O, he boinks. Ask Niobe how. Oh.
170. I.
171. I did not revert on Didi.
172. I did, did I?
173. [NEW] I, lad Dali.
174. [NEW] I led deli.
175. I madam, I made radio! So I dared. Am I mad? Am I?
176. I maim Miami. (I main nine men in Miami.)
177. I met System I.
178. I roamed under it as a tired, nude Maori.
179. I saw a gif. Fig. A was I.
180. [NEW] I saw desserts; I'd no lemons; alas, no melon. Distressed was
I.
181. I won, Karen, an era know I.
182. I yam, fun 'nuf. May I?
183. I'm a lasagna, hang a salami.
184. I'm a lass, a salad, new end alas as salami.
185. I'm runnin', Nurmi.
186. I'm, alas, a salami.
187. I, man, am regal, a German am I.
188. I, Mary, tramp martyr. Am I?
189. I, Rasputin, knit up Sari.
190. I, zany Nazi.
191. If I had a hi-fi.
192. Is Don Adams mad? (A nod.) Si.
193. Is sensuousness I?
194. Jar a tonga, nag not a raj.
195. Kay, a red nude, peeped under a yak.
196. Kayak salad, Alaska yak.
197. Kayak.
198. KC, answer DNA loop award. Emit time. Draw a pool. Andrew, snack.
199. Kodak ad, OK.
200. Lager, sir, is regal.
201. Laid on no dial.
202. Laminated E.T. animal.
203. Late? Bill is ill. I bet, Al.
204. Lay a wallaby baby ball away, Al.
205. Lee had a heel.
206. Lem saw I was Mel.
207. Lepers repel.
208. Let O'Hara gain an inn in a niagara hotel.
209. Lew, Otto has a hot towel.
210. Lewd I did live, evil did I dwel.
211. Lid of fade, metallic soot, emit Garret-simple, help mister ragtime
to
oscillate me, daffodil.
212. Lisa Bonet ate no basil.
213. Live dirt up a side track carted is a putrid evil.
214. Live evil.
215. Live not on evil, madam, live not on evil.
216. Live not on evil.
217. Lived on Decaf, Faced no Devil.
218. Llewopnotyalc, Madam, I'm Adam Clayton Powell.
219. Lonely Tylenol.
220. "M" lab menial slain: embalm.
221. Ma has a ham.
222. Ma is a nun, as I am.
223. Ma is as selfless as I am.
224. Ma, I say. Lee's as eely as I am.
225. Mad dastard, a sad rat - Saddam.
226. Madam in Eden, I'm Adam.
227. Madam, I'm Adam.
228. Madam, in Eden, I'm Adam.
229. Man, Eve let an irate tar in at eleven a.m.
230. Man, Oprah's sharp on A.M.
231. Marge lets Norah see Sharon's telegram.
232. Marge, let dam dogs in. Am on satire! Vow I am Cain. Am on spot. Am
a
Jap sniper. Red, raw murder on GI. Ignore drum. (Warner rips pajama
tops.) No maniac, Ma! Iwo veritas: no man is God - Mad telegram.
233. May a moody baby doom a yam?
234. May it name 'em anti-yam?
235. Mayhem, eh Yam?
236. Meg, am I naive? No, yaw a kayak away on Evian. I'm a gem.
237. Miry rim. So many daffodils slid off a dynamo's miry rim.
238. "Miry rim. So many daffodils," Delia wailed, "slid off a dynamo's
miry
rim."
239. Mo spell it so that lovers revolt. Ah to still Epsom.
240. Model truth: turtledom.
241. [NEW] Mr. Owl Ate My Metal Worm.
242. Murder for a jar of red rum.
243. Must sell at tallest sum.
244. N.A. medico: Negro Jamaica? A CIA major genocide, man.
245. Nail, ligature, rut. A Gillian?
246. Nam was a saw man.
247. Name now one man.
248. Named undenominationally rebel, I rile Beryl. La, no! I tan. I'm, O
Ned, nude man.
249. Naomi, did I moan?
250. "Naomi, sex at noon taxes," I moan.
251. "Naomi," I Moan.
252. Ned, go gag Ogden.
253. Neil A. sees alien.
254. Neil, an alien.
255. Never odd or even.
256. Niagara, O roar again.
257. No cab, no tuna nut on bacon.
258. No cabs' bulbs? A gnat's tool loots Tan "Gas" Blub's bacon.
259. No gnu have never after fret far, even Eva hung on.
260. No, I met System Ion.
261. No, it can, as it is, it is a war. Raw as it is, it is an action.
262. No, it is open on one position.
263. No, it is opposed, art sees trade's opposition
264. No, it is opposition.
265. No lemons, no melon.
266. No, Mel Gibson is a casino's big lemon.
267. No misses ordered roses, Simon.
268. No pet so tragic as a cigar to step on.
269. No, she stops spots, eh, son?
270. No side, no in union, Edison.
271. No, sir, prefer prison.
272. [NEW] No, son! Onanism's a gross orgasm sin -- a no-no, son.
273. No stetson.
274. No stetson hats. Operas are post. Ah, no stetson.
275. No witness, a fool. A nasal aria's time emits air. Alas, an aloof
assent: I won.
276. Nog eroded Oregon.
277. Nora, a raft! Is it far, Aaron?
278. Noriega can idle, held in a cage, iron.
279. Norma is as selfless as I am, Ron.
280. Nosegay ages on.
281. Not lads simple, help Miss Dalton.
282. Not New York, Roy went on.
283. Note: nine Devo-organists in a groove den in Eaton.
284. Now, Ned, I am a maiden nun. Ned, I am a maiden won.
285. Now's evil for evil? Ah, a liver of lives won.
286. Nurses run.
287. O Bobo! Get Indy clear! He'd render a red nerd eh? Ra! El Cid nite!
Go
Bobo!
288. O, geronimo, no minor ego.
289. O, I dare not tone radio.
290. O, memsahib Bart, rabbi has memo.
291. O, stone, be not so.
292. O.E.D. or rodeo?
293. Ogre, flog a golfer. Go.
294. Oh, no! Don Ho.
295. Olli'd accept a fat peccadillo.
296. On a clover, if alive, erupts a vast, pure evil, a fire volcano.
297. Otto did bob did otto.
298. Otto saw pup, pup was Otto.
299. Oy, Oy, a tonsil is not a yo-yo.
300. Pa's a sap.
301. Paganini: Din in A Gap.
302. Paget saw an Irish tooth, Sir, in a waste gap.
303. Panda had nap.
304. Parcel bare ferret up mock computer-referable crap.
305. Parkay yak rap.
306. Party boobytrap.
307. Party-trap.
308. "Peanuts' Legs" is Gels' Tuna EP.
309. Pint a' Catnip.
310. Plan no damn Madonna LP.
311. Poor Dan is in a droop.
312. Poor Das is a droop.
313. [NEW] Pope pop.
314. Puff up.
315. Pull up if I pull up.
316. Pus, Dan, Ogre sales use laser gonads up.
317. Racecar.
318. Race fast, safe car.
319. Radar.
320. Rae, bite yon no yeti bear.
321. Rat-star.
322. Rats ailed, damn it, in mad Delia's tar.
323. Rats drown in WordStar.
324. Rats live on no evil star.
325. Raw sexes war.
326. Raw, evil dam on Niagara. Gain net time. Sub bus, emit ten Niagara.
Gain no mad, live war.
327. Re-paper.
328. Red lost case, Ma. Jesse James acts older.
329. Red Nevada vendor.
330. Red rum, sir, is murder.
331. Red? No. Who is it? 'Tis I. Oh, wonder!
332. Redivider.
333. Redraw a warder.
334. Reflog a golfer.
335. "Regal as tide" Kramer remarked. "It's a lager."
336. Regal lager.
337. [NEW] Reg, Its sarcastic. Its a crass tiger.
338. Remarkable was I ere I saw Elba Kramer.
339. Reno loner.
340. Reviled did I live, said I, as evil I did deliver.
341. Reward animals, O Greg, ergo slam in a drawer.
342. Rise to vote, sir.
343. Rise, sir lapdog. Revolt, lover God, pal, rise, sir.
344. Rise, take lame female Kate, sir.
345. Rob a loneliness? Senile, no labor.
346. Rococo "R".
347. Rot can rob a born actor.
348. Rot-corpse Sumatran art amuses proctor.
349. Rotavator.
350. Roti de pup editor.
351. Roy, am I mayor?
352. Rub bur.
353. Sad, I'm Midas.
354. Sardi puts nog on stupid RA's.
355. Satan oscillate my metallic sonatas.
356. Saw tide rose? So red it was.
357. Self-furnace Pecan ruffles.
358. Senile felines.
359. Set at serif, as Safire states.
360. Sex at noon taxes.
361. Sex-aware era waxes.
362. Sexes.
363. Sh, Tom sees moths.
364. Sir, I soon saw Bob was no Osiris.
365. Sis, ask Costner to not rent socks "as is".
366. Sis, Sargasso moss a grass is.
367. Sit on a potato pan, Otis.
368. Sniff'um muffins.
369. Snug & raw was I ere I saw war & guns.
370. Snug all L.A. guns.
371. So many dynamos.
372. So, G. Rivera's tots are virgos.
373. So, Ida, adios.
374. Solo gigolos.
375. Solos.
376. Some men interpret nine memos.
377. Sore eye, Eros?
378. Sore was I ere I saw Eros.
379. Splat, I hit Alps.
380. Stab nail at ill Italian bats.
381. Star comedy by Democrats.
382. Star Wars awe was raw rats.
383. Star-red rum and Edna murder rats.
384. Star? Come Donna Melba, I'm an amiable man, no Democrats.
385. Stella won no wallets.
386. Step on no pets.
387. Stop! Murder us not, tonsured rumpots.
388. Stop, Syrian, I start at rats in airy spots.
389. [NEW] Strap on no parts.
390. Stratagem: megatarts.
391. Straw warts.
392. Straw? No, too stupid a fad, I put soot on warts.
393. Stunts is. Niece insist nuts.
394. Sums are not set as a test on Erasmus.
395. Suneva, Nina is sure Russian in a Venus.
396. Sup not on pus.
397. Suppository rot, I sop pus.
398. Swen, on gnus, sung no news.
399. Sworn I sit, 'tis in rows.
400. T. Eliot nixes sex in toilet.
401. T. Eliot, top bard, notes putrid tang emanating, is sad, I'd assign
it
a name: gnat dirt upset on drab pot toilet.
402. [NEW] Tangy gnat.
403. Tarzan raised Desi Arnaz' rat.
404. Ten animals I slam in a net.
405. Tense, I snap Sharon roses, or Norah's pansies net.
406. The almanac can am laeht.
407. Timid, I'm it.
408. Tini saw drawer, a reward was in it. Taem, no Devil lived on meat.
409. 'Tis Ivan on a visit.
410. To Idi Amin: I'm a idiot.
411. To last, Carter retracts a lot.
412. To Dr., et al. Re: Grub. Ma had a hamburger. Later, Dot.
413. Toni Tennille fell in net. I, not.
414. Tons o' snot.
415. Too bad, I hid a boot.
416. Too hot to hoot.
417. Top spot.
418. Top step's pup's pet spot.
419. Trade bad DA bed art.
420. Trafalgar rag: La Fart.
421. Trays simple help, missy art.
422. Tulsa night life: filth, gin, a slut.
423. Tuna nut.
424. UFO tofu.
425. Unremarkable was I ere I saw Elba Kramer, nu?
426. Vanna, wanna V?
427. Viva le te de Tel Aviv.
428. Vote to not slip up, refer pupils to note TOV.
429. Warsaw was raw.
430. Was it a bar or a bat I saw?
431. Was it a bat I saw?
432. Was it a car or a cat I saw?
433. Was it a cat I saw?
434. Was it a rat I saw?
435. Was it Eliot's toilet I saw?
436. Was raw tap ale not a reviver at one lap at Warsaw?
437. We few erase cares, Al. Laser aces are we few.
438. We few.
439. We panic in a pew.
440. We seven, Eve, sew.
441. Wet rare paper art, ew!
442. Wo Nemo, toss a lasso to me now.
443. Woman maps yam snot and DNA. Tons may spam Nam. Ow!
444. Won't cat lovers revolt? Act now!
445. Won't lovers revolt now?
446. Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
447. Wontons? Not now.
448. Xerxes was stunned. Eden nuts saw sex, rex.
449. Yaw. A sleep apnoea. A eon, Pa, peels away.
450. Yawn a more Roman way.
451. Yawn. Madonna fan? No damn way.
452. Yell upset a cider, predicates pulley.
453. Yo bob, mug a gumbo boy.
454. Yo! Banana Boy.
455. Yo! Bottoms up, U.S. Motto, boy.
456. Yo! job mug gumbo joy.
457. Yo, oy.
458. You buoy.
459. Young Ada had a gnu. Oy!
460. Yreka Bakery.
461. Zeus was deified, saw Suez.

462. An old and famous palindrome:

A man, a plan, a canal - Panama!

Updated and improved:

A man, a plan, a cat, a canal - Panama!

More:

A man, a plan, a cat, a ham, a yak, a yam, a hat, a canal - Panama!

Even more:

A man, a plan, a canoe, pasta, heros' rajahs, a coloratura, maps,


snipe, percale, macaroni, a gag, a banana bag, a tan, a tag, a
banana
bag again (or a camel), a crepe, pins, Spam, a rut, a Rolo, cash, a

jar, sore hats, a peon, a canal - Panama!

Yes, even more:

A man, a plan, a caret, a ban, a myriad, a sum, a lac, a liar, a hoop,
a pint, a catalpa, a gas, an oil, a bird, a yell, a vat, a caw, a pax,
a wag, a tax, a nay, a ram, a cap, a yam, a gay, a tsar, a wall,

a car, a luger, a ward, a bin, a woman, a vassal, a wolf, a tuna,


a nit, a pall, a fret, a watt, a bay, a daub, a tan, a cab, a datum,
a gall, a hat, a fag, a zap, a say, a jaw, a lay, a wet, a gallop, a tug,
a trot, a trap, a tram, a torr, a caper, a top, a tonk, a toll, a ball, a
fair, a sax, a minim, a tenor, a bass, a passer, a capital, a rut, an
amen, a ted, a cabal, a tang, a sun, an ass, a maw, a sag, a jam, a dam,
a
sub, a salt, an axon, a sail, an ad, a wadi, a radian, a room, a rood, a
rip, a tad, a pariah, a revel, a reel, a reed, a pool, a plug, a pin, a
peek, a parabola, a dog, a pat, a cud, a nu, a fan, a pal, a rum, a
nod, an eta, a lag, an eel, a batik, a mug, a mot, a nap, a maxim, a
mood, a leek, a grub, a gob, a gel, a drab, a citadel, a total, a cedar,
a
tap, a gag, a rat, a manor, a bar, a gal, a cola, a pap, a yaw, a tab, a

raj, a gab, a nag, a pagan, a bag, a jar, a bat, a way, a papa, a local,
a
gar, a baron, a mat, a rag, a gap, a tar, a decal, a tot, a led, a tic, a
bard, a leg, a bog, a burg, a keel, a doom, a mix, a map, an atom, a gum,
a kit, a baleen, a gala, a ten, a don, a mural, a pan, a faun, a ducat, a
pagoda, a lob, a rap, a keep, a nip, a gulp, a loop, a deer, a leer, a
lever, a hair, a pad, a tapir, a door, a moor, an aid, a raid, a wad, an
alias, an ox, an atlas, a bus, a madam, a jag, a saw, a mass, an anus, a
gnat, a lab, a cadet, an em, a natural, a tip, a caress, a pass, a
baronet, a minimax, a sari, a fall, a ballot, a knot, a pot, a rep, a
carrot, a mart, a part, a tort, a gut, a poll, a gateway, a law, a jay, a
sap, a zag, a fat, a hall, a gamut, a dab, a can, a tabu, a day, a batt,
a
waterfall, a patina, a nut, a flow, a lass, a van, a mow, a nib, a draw,
a
regular, a call, a war, a stay, a gam, a yap, a cam, a ray, an ax, a tag,
a wax, a paw, a cat, a valley, a drib, a lion, a saga, a plat, a catnip,
a
pooh, a rail, a calamus, a dairyman, a bater, a canal - Panama!

*******
The expansions on "A man, a plan, etc." are from Dan Hoey.

earle
*

Robert Israel

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In article <3D0593DF...@midway.uchicago.edu>,
Ben Zimmer <bgzi...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:

>> In article <3D056FC4...@erols.com>, Neuendorffer
><ph...@erols.com> wrote:

>> >What is the longest single English word that transforms into itself
>> >backwards when the alphabet is reversed (e.g., A<=>Z, B<=>Y, C<=>X)?

>The OED has "klop-klop", a reduplicated form of "klop" ('the sound of
>the impact of something solid on a hard surface').

But what does "-" transform itself to when the alphabet is reversed?

Robert Israel

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In article <QB+fdCA7...@econym.demon.co.uk>,

I also find TRIGS <=> GIRTH and BRIGS <=> YIRTH, but nothing longer.

Dan Tilque

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"Patrick Hamlyn" <path@multipro.N_OcomSP_AM.au > wrote

> Noam D. Elkies <elkie...@h.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
> >There's a clothing and supply store called NED'S DEN
> >just across the street from the Berkeley campus of
> >the University of California. A Google search for
> >'"ned's den" palindrome' brings up half a dozen pages,
> >but none that locate the establishment.

In Cory Hall on the Berkeley campus is a conference room called
MOORE ROOM. Googling on 'moore room' shows that it's not the only
one with that name in the world.

> >
> >>GLYCYLGLYCYLGLYCYLGLYCINE has a 19-letter internal
> >> palindrome (from the first to the last C).
> >
> >This of course can be extended arbitrarily...

Yes, but in practice longer strings of glycine are virtually
always given in an abbreviated form: gly(5), gly(6), etc.

>
> Seems to me it has two internal 19-letter internal
> palindromes...

That hadn't occured to me when I supplied it to Jeff Miller (the
guy who owns that page). I'll have to drop him a note about it.

--
Dan Tilque


Neuendorffer

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> >Wasn't it Neuendorffer who wrote:
>
> >> Then how about pairs of seven letter English words that convert into
> >>each other FOREwards when the alphabet is reversed,

> Mike Williams <mi...@econym.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> >I can't seem to find any longer than five letters: GROGS <=> TILTH.

Robert Israel wrote:

> I also find TRIGS <=> GIRTH and BRIGS <=> YIRTH, but nothing longer.

All ?R?GS <=> ?I?TH words! Interesting.

Any suggests as to why it is so much harder to find a FOREward
transform as compared to a BACKward transform?

Art N.

Neuendorffer

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Jun 12, 2002, 12:05:50 PM6/12/02
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-----------------------------------------------------------------------

> Wasn't it Neuendorffer who wrote:
>
> >What is the longest single English word that transforms into itself
> >backwards when the alphabet is reversed (e.g., A<=>Z, B<=>Y, C<=>X)?
> >
> > Example: WIZARD
> > DRAZIW
> >
> > Is there an eight letter word?

Mike Williams wrote: I don't believe so.

> I can only find one pair of seven letter English words that convert into

> each other backwards when the alphabet is reversed, and none longer.

> SHRILLY
> HSIROOB
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike, it would be unusually to find both of your rare words in


the same chapter. . . unless placed there intentionally

by an author who was also rather fond of a certain GH*ST WIZARD.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
King Henry VI, Part ii Act 2, Scene 1

CARDINAL: Here comes the townsmen on PROCESSION,
To present your highness with the man:


-----------------------------------------------------------------
Scarlet Letter - Hawthorne
CHAPTER XXII - THE PROCESSION

Laughing so SHRILLY that all the market-place could hear her,


the weird old gentlewoman took her departure.
. . .
There were many people present from the country round about,
who had often heard of the scarlet letter, and to whom
it had been made terrific by a hundred false or exaggerated
rumours, but who had never beheld it with their own bodily eyes.
These, after exhausting other modes of amusement, now thronged
about Hester Prynne with rude and BOORISH intrusiveness.
---------------------------------------------------------------

GH*ST WIZARD
TS*HG DRAZIW


---------------------------------------------------------------
House of Seven Gables - Hawthorne

His home would include the home of the dead and buried WIZARD, and

would thus afford the GHOST of the latter a kind of privilege to haunt


its new apartments, and the chambers into which future bridegrooms were
to lead their brides, and where children of the Pyncheon blood were to
be born.

But the Puritan soldier and magistrate was not a man to be
turned aside from his well-considered scheme, either by dread of

the WIZARD's GHOST, or by flimsy sentimentalities of any kind,

The popular imagination, indeed, long kept itself busy with the affair
of the old Puritan Pyncheon and the WIZARD Maule; the curse which the
latter flung from his scaffold was remembered, with the very important
addition, that it had become a part of the Pyncheon inheritance.

Being of an eccentric and melancholy turn of mind, and greatly given to
rummaging old records and hearkening to old traditions, he had brought

himself, it is averred, to the conclusion that Matthew Maule,the WIZARD,

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Coincidence?
--------------------------------------------------------------------
July 4, 1776, Declaration of Independence signed.
July 4, 1804, Nathaniel Hawthorne (Freemason) born.
July 4, 1817, Construction on Erie Canal begins.
July 4, 1826, John Adams, 2nd president dies at 90!
July 4, 1826, Thomas Jefferson, 3rd president dies at 83.
July 4, 1827, Slavery abolished in NY.
July 4, 1828, Construction begins on B&O (1st US passenger RR).
July 4, 1829, Cornerstone laid for 1st US mint.
(Maonic PYRAMID on back of $1 bill)
July 4, 1831, James Monroe, Freemason & 5th president dies at 73.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Art Neuendorffer

Noam D. Elkies

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In article <ugdn72o...@corp.supernews.com>,
Dan Tilque <dti...@nwlink.com> wrote:
>
>"Patrick Hamlyn" <path@multipro.N_OcomSP_AM.au > wrote

[I wrote:

>> >There's a clothing and supply store called NED'S DEN
>> >just across the street from the Berkeley campus of
>> >the University of California. A Google search for
>> >'"ned's den" palindrome' brings up half a dozen pages,
>> >but none that locate the establishment.

>In Cory Hall on the Berkeley campus is a conference room called
>MOORE ROOM. Googling on 'moore room' shows that it's not the only
>one with that name in the world.

Neat. Googling '"moore room" palindrome' comes up empty, though.

>> >>GLYCYLGLYCYLGLYCYLGLYCINE has a 19-letter internal
>> >> palindrome (from the first to the last C).

>> >This of course can be extended arbitrarily...

>Yes, but in practice longer strings of glycine are virtually
>always given in an abbreviated form: gly(5), gly(6), etc.

True, but Google does find one instance of gly(5) spelled out
-- and not in a wordplay site.

NDE

Russ Perry Jr

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Heh, my band (http://come.to/dethkorpz) did an album with every song
having a palindrome for a title (some cheats, but...). Originally
it wasn't going to be a full-length album, so we were going to call
it the "Penis In EP". Heh.

A couple longer ones that didn't work as song titles:

Elk raps sparkle.
No man, nice cinnamon.
He's got no parts, I strip on togs, eh? [similar to 389]

Earle Jones <earle...@attbi.com> wrote:
> Here's a bunch of palindromes. For the longest, see: 462 below.

> 30. A slut nixes sex in Tulsa.

We settled for "Tulsa Slut" for one song.

> 307. Party-trap.

Another throwaway.

> 321. Rat-star.

"Star Rats" was our take on this one.

> 325. Raw sexes war.

For us, it was "Raw As A War".

> 332. Redivider.

"Repooper" was a made-up throwaway.

> 352. Rub bur.

Another throwaway.

> 377. Sore eye, Eros?

We went with "Eros Eyesore", with appropriate lyrics...

> 414. Tons o' snot.

Heh, another throwaway.

> 422. Tulsa night life: filth, gin, a slut.

Another nice take on "Tulsa Slut".

Fun shorter ones:

Dope pod
Rod odor
Odd do
Anal Lana
Stiff if fits
Gold log
Poon snoop
Spiny nips
Tiki kit
Avid diva
'Til lit
Taco cat

Other song titles from the album:

Homo Tom Oh
Tito Mo' Tit
Tit Tit Tit
Noose, Soon
Neptune Nutpen
Tide Poop Edit
ESP Rock Corpse
A Repo Opera
Drop A PORD
Nemesis I Semen
Dio Void
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Edgar De Blieck

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Where can I buy this album?


No, on second thoughts...

EDEB;)


Leroy Quet

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Earle Jones <earle...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<earle.jones-0F0D...@netnews.attbi.com>...
>....
> Here's a bunch of palindromes. ....
>
>....

Here are two (short ones) of my own that I might as well post. (Though
the first looks a lot like a couple that Earle Jones gives. And the
second is a bit twisted into shape.)

* God damn, I lived as a devil in mad-dog.

* No putrid war did I draw dirt upon.

Thanks,
Leroy Quet

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