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Kim Hammers

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Apr 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/30/99
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A Tom Swifty, as you may know, is a line of dialogue that ends with an
appropriate adverb. For example, "The highway pollution is terrible", Tom
said Exhaustedly. The following are some Tom Swifties without the all
important adverbs.

Feel free to add your own:

1. "I just bought a foreign car!" Tom announced__________

2. "Nyeah, nyeah, let's have some turtle soup, Tom said __________

3. "I forgot what my wife wanted from the store", Tom said ___________

4. "I'm so happy that I can float" Tom declared ____________

5. "Block that kick" Tom said ______________

6. "I've got a code in da nose" Tom muttered _______________

7. "My paint canvas is black" Tom said ____________

8. "I hate quizzes" Tom stated _____________

9. "This cream is bad" Tom said ______________

10. "Better order twelve dozen of the blasted things", Tom said _________

11. "I always shop here" Tom announced ____________

12. "Columbus, you were wrong" Tom declared___________

13. "I prefer unposed photos", Tom remarked ____________

14. "All campers to their shelters" Tom announced ____________

15. "Let's not cut the Valentine" Tom agreed _______________

Carmie

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Apr 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/30/99
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Kim Hammers wrote in message <7gck7q$1p...@enews4.newsguy.com>...

>A Tom Swifty, as you may know, is a line of dialogue that ends with an
>appropriate adverb. For example, "The highway pollution is terrible", Tom
>said Exhaustedly. The following are some Tom Swifties without the all
>important adverbs.

Some spoilers

...

...

...

...

>
>Feel free to add your own:
>
>1. "I just bought a foreign car!" Tom announced__________
>

>2. "Nyeah, nyeah, let's have some turtle soup, Tom said MOCKINGLY


>
>3. "I forgot what my wife wanted from the store", Tom said ___________
>
>4. "I'm so happy that I can float" Tom declared ____________
>

>5. "Block that kick" Tom said DEFENSIVELY


>
>6. "I've got a code in da nose" Tom muttered _______________
>

>7. "My paint canvas is black" Tom said DARKLY
>
>8. "I hate quizzes" Tom stated TESTILY
>
>9. "This cream is bad" Tom said SOURLY


>
>10. "Better order twelve dozen of the blasted things", Tom said _________
>
>11. "I always shop here" Tom announced ____________
>
>12. "Columbus, you were wrong" Tom declared___________
>

>13. "I prefer unposed photos", Tom remarked NATURALLY


>
>14. "All campers to their shelters" Tom announced ____________
>

>15. "Let's not cut the Valentine" Tom agreed LOVINGLY
>
>Carmie

Red Dorakeen

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Apr 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/30/99
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Kim Hammers wrote in message <7gck7q$1p...@enews4.newsguy.com>...
>A Tom Swifty, as you may know, is a line of dialogue that ends with an
>appropriate adverb. For example, "The highway pollution is terrible", Tom
>said Exhaustedly. The following are some Tom Swifties without the all
>important adverbs.
>
>Feel free to add your own:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


>
>1. "I just bought a foreign car!" Tom announced__________
>

>2. "Nyeah, nyeah, let's have some turtle soup, Tom said mockingly.
>
>3. "I forgot what my wife wanted from the store", Tom said absentmindedly.


>
>4. "I'm so happy that I can float" Tom declared ____________
>

>5. "Block that kick" Tom said defensively.
>
>6. "I've got a code in da nose" Tom muttered coldly.
>
>7. "My paint canvas is black" Tom said darkly.
>
>8. "I hate quizzes" Tom stated testily.
>
>9. "This cream is bad" Tom said sourly.
>
>10. "Better order twelve dozen of the blasted things", Tom said grossly.


>
>11. "I always shop here" Tom announced ____________
>
>12. "Columbus, you were wrong" Tom declared___________
>

>13. "I prefer unposed photos", Tom remarked candidly.


>
>14. "All campers to their shelters" Tom announced ____________
>

>15. "Let's not cut the Valentine" Tom agreed _______________


Tony T. Warnock

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Apr 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/30/99
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Kim Hammers wrote:

> A Tom Swifty, as you may know, is a line of dialogue that ends with an
> appropriate adverb. For example, "The highway pollution is terrible", Tom
> said Exhaustedly. The following are some Tom Swifties without the all
> important adverbs.
>
> Feel free to add your own:
>

> 1. "I just bought a foreign car!" Tom announced_________brokenly / beaming
>
> 2. "Nyeah, nyeah, let's have some turtle soup, Tom said __________mockingly


>
> 3. "I forgot what my wife wanted from the store", Tom said

> ___________absent-mindedly / silkily
>
> 4. "I'm so happy that I can float" Tom declared ____________swimmingly /Tom
> corked
>
> 5. "Block that kick" Tom said ______________defensively
>
> 6. "I've got a code in da nose" Tom muttered _______________nasally
>
> 7. "My paint canvas is black" Tom said ____________darkly
>
> 8. "I hate quizzes" Tom stated _____________testily
>
> 9. "This cream is bad" Tom said ______________sourly / acidly / thickly


>
> 10. "Better order twelve dozen of the blasted things", Tom said

> _________grossly
>
> 11. "I always shop here" Tom announced ____________faithfully / eternally
>
> 12. "Columbus, you were wrong" Tom declared___________flatly / roundly
>
> 13. "I prefer unposed photos", Tom remarked ____________snappishly


>
> 14. "All campers to their shelters" Tom announced ____________
>

> 15. "Let's not cut the Valentine" Tom agreed _______________heartily


Jim Ferry

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Kim Hammers wrote:
>
> A Tom Swifty, as you may know, is a line of dialogue that ends with an
> appropriate adverb. For example, "The highway pollution is terrible", Tom
> said Exhaustedly. The following are some Tom Swifties without the all
> important adverbs.
>
> Feel free to add your own:
>
> 1. "I just bought a foreign car!" Tom announced ACCURATELY
>
> 2. "Nyeah, nyeah, let's have some turtle soup, Tom said MOCKINGLY
>
> 3. "I forgot what my wife wanted from the store", Tom said ABSENTMINDEDLY
>
> 4. "I'm so happy that I can float" Tom declared BUOYANTLY
>
> 5. "Block that kick" Tom said DEFENSIVELY
>
> 6. "I've got a code in da nose" Tom muttered CRYPTICALLY
>
> 7. "My paint canvas is black" Tom said DARKLY
>
> 8. "I hate quizzes" Tom stated TESTILY
>
> 9. "This cream is bad" Tom said SOURLY
>
> 10. "Better order twelve dozen of the blasted things", Tom said GROSSLY
>
> 11. "I always shop here" Tom announced PATRONIZINGLY
>
> 12. "Columbus, you were wrong" Tom declared FLATLY
>
> 13. "I prefer unposed photos", Tom remarked CANDIDLY
>
> 14. "All campers to their shelters" Tom announced STORMILY
>
> 15. "Let's not cut the Valentine" Tom agreed WHOLEHEARTEDLY

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Steve Coughlan

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Apr 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/30/99
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In article <7gck7q$1p...@enews4.newsguy.com>, ki...@gls3c.com says...

>
>A Tom Swifty, as you may know, is a line of dialogue that ends with an
>appropriate adverb. For example, "The highway pollution is terrible",
Tom
>said Exhaustedly. The following are some Tom Swifties without the all
>important adverbs.
>
>Feel free to add your own:
>

My favourite: "I'll take the prisoner downstairs, Tom said ______"

Jonathan S. Haas

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Jim Ferry <jferry@delete_this_field.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:372A0487.2552@delete_this_field.uiuc.edu...

> Kim Hammers wrote:
> > 14. "All campers to their shelters" Tom announced STORMILY

Or INTENSELY...

--JSH


Jim Ferry

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May 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/1/99
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Jonathan S. Haas <jh...@bungie.com> wrote

> > 14. "All campers to their shelters" Tom announced INTENSELY

Charles Gerlach <cage...@merle.acns.nwu.edu> wrote

> > 1. "I just bought a foreign car!" Tom announced IMPORTANTLY

I agree that these are better than my answers.

David Howse

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May 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/3/99
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On 30 Apr 1999 19:36:47 GMT, Stephen....@dal.ca (Steve Coughlan)
wrote:

Condescendingly?


David Howse

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On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:24:08 -0600, "Tony T. Warnock"
<u09...@cic-mail.lanl.gov> wrote:

>
>
>Kim Hammers wrote:
>
>> A Tom Swifty, as you may know, is a line of dialogue that ends with an
>> appropriate adverb. For example, "The highway pollution is terrible", Tom
>> said Exhaustedly. The following are some Tom Swifties without the all
>> important adverbs.
>>
>> Feel free to add your own:

>> 3. "I forgot what my wife wanted from the store", Tom said
>> ___________absent-mindedly / silkily

Listlessly.

>> 4. "I'm so happy that I can float" Tom declared ____________swimmingly /Tom
>> corked

Bouyantly?

>> 13. "I prefer unposed photos", Tom remarked ____________snappishly

Casually?

>> 15. "Let's not cut the Valentine" Tom agreed _______________heartily

Whole-heartedly. :o)


riverman

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May 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/3/99
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David Howse wrote:
>
> On 30 Apr 1999 19:36:47 GMT, Stephen....@dal.ca (Steve Coughlan)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <7gck7q$1p...@enews4.newsguy.com>, ki...@gls3c.com says...
> >>
> >>A Tom Swifty, as you may know, is a line of dialogue that ends with an
> >>appropriate adverb. For example, "The highway pollution is terrible",
> >Tom
> >>said Exhaustedly. The following are some Tom Swifties without the all
> >>important adverbs.
> >>
> >>Feel free to add your own:
> >>
> >
> >My favourite: "I'll take the prisoner downstairs, Tom said ______"
>
> Condescendingly?

Guardedly.
--
riverman
.........................
I think, therefore I thwim;
Carpe ropum.

rbp #2

John Bailey

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May 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/3/99
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Kim Hammers wrote in message <7gck7q$1p...@enews4.newsguy.com>...
>A Tom Swifty, as you may know, is a line of dialogue that ends with an
>appropriate adverb. For example, "The highway pollution is terrible", Tom
>said Exhaustedly.

1. "I just bought a foreign car!" Tom announced BROKENLY.


Norman Diamond

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May 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/7/99
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In article <372A0487.2552@delete_this_field.uiuc.edu>, Jim Ferry <jferry@delete_this_field.uiuc.edu> writes:

>Kim Hammers wrote:
>>1. "I just bought a foreign car!" Tom announced
>ACCURATELY

But then it wouldn't be foreign. Someone else's answer of "beamingly"
would be more accurate, but not everywhere. Something like "importantly"
would be equally accurate everywhere, but equally unsatisfactory everywhere
since the non-Swifty type of pun doesn't belong here. Maybe "openly" as in
open markets, but this seems unsatisfactory too. Any other ideas?

>>2. "Nyeah, nyeah, let's have some turtle soup, Tom said
>MOCKINGLY

Good one. I thought of "snappily" but see below :-)

>>3. "I forgot what my wife wanted from the store", Tom said

>ABSENTMINDEDLY

That seems *too* accurate to be a Swifty. No pun at all is involved;
it's an ordinary sentence. "Unfulfillingly" would be Swifter but seems
a bit, uh, unfulfilling. Any more ideas?

>>13. "I prefer unposed photos", Tom remarked

>CANDIDLY

Good one. I thought of "snappily" but see above :-)

--
<< If this were the company's opinion, I would not be allowed to post it. >>
"I paid money for this car, I pay taxes for vehicle registration and a driver's
license, so I can drive in any lane I want, and no innocent victim gets to call
the cops just 'cause the lane's not goin' the same direction as me" - J Spammer

David Howse

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May 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/7/99
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>>>3. "I forgot what my wife wanted from the store", Tom said
>>ABSENTMINDEDLY
>
>That seems *too* accurate to be a Swifty. No pun at all is involved;
>it's an ordinary sentence. "Unfulfillingly" would be Swifter but seems
>a bit, uh, unfulfilling. Any more ideas?

I like LISTLESSLY (as in shopping list).

Matt McLelland

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May 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/7/99
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Norman Diamond wrote:

> In article <372A0487.2552@delete_this_field.uiuc.edu>, Jim Ferry <jferry@delete_this_field.uiuc.edu> writes:
> >Kim Hammers wrote:
> >>1. "I just bought a foreign car!" Tom announced
> >ACCURATELY
>
> But then it wouldn't be foreign. Someone else's answer of "beamingly"
> would be more accurate, but not everywhere. Something like "importantly"
> would be equally accurate everywhere, but equally unsatisfactory everywhere
> since the non-Swifty type of pun doesn't belong here.

I don't understand the distinction you draw in deciding against "importantly." Can you elaborate?


Steve Sosensky

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On Mon, 03 May 1999 01:58:55 GMT, David...@anu.edu.au (David Howse) wrote:

>>> 13. "I prefer unposed photos", Tom remarked ____________snappishly
>
>Casually?
>

Candidly.
Steve <mailto:ste...@loop.com>

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Steve Sosensky

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On Sat, 01 May 1999 13:53:25 -0500, Jim Ferry
<jferry@delete_this_field.uiuc.edu> wrote:

>Jonathan S. Haas <jh...@bungie.com> wrote
>
>> > 14. "All campers to their shelters" Tom announced INTENSELY
>

I think INTENTLY would be a bit more accurate.

Steve Sosensky

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On Mon, 03 May 1999 13:17:29 +0300, riverman <myr...@american.hasharon.k12.il>
wrote:

>David Howse wrote:
>>
>> On 30 Apr 1999 19:36:47 GMT, Stephen....@dal.ca (Steve Coughlan)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <7gck7q$1p...@enews4.newsguy.com>, ki...@gls3c.com says...
>> >>

>> >My favourite: "I'll take the prisoner downstairs, Tom said ______"
>>
>> Condescendingly?
>
>Guardedly.

I think condescendingly is much better.

Martin Julian DeMello

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May 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/7/99
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Norman Diamond <dia...@tbj.dec.com> wrote:
>>>3. "I forgot what my wife wanted from the store", Tom said
>>ABSENTMINDEDLY

> That seems *too* accurate to be a Swifty. No pun at all is involved;
> it's an ordinary sentence. "Unfulfillingly" would be Swifter but seems
> a bit, uh, unfulfilling. Any more ideas?

How about 'listlessly'?

--
Martin DeMello

Martin Julian DeMello

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May 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/7/99
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Kim Hammers <ki...@gls3c.com> wrote:

> Feel free to add your own:

I dropped the toothpaste, Tom said ______________

--
Martin DeMello

Ron Thomas

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On 7 May 1999 07:28:45 GMT, Martin Julian DeMello
<mdem...@pound.ruf.rice.edu> wrote:

Unsmilingly?

Ron Thomas


Jonathan Dushoff

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Martin Julian DeMello (mdem...@pound.ruf.rice.edu) wrote:
: Kim Hammers <ki...@gls3c.com> wrote:

: > Feel free to add your own:

: I dropped the toothpaste, Tom said ______________

: --
: Martin DeMello

I am guessing you're looking for "crestfallen", but I've never heard
"crestfallenly".

Jonathan

bbarth...@voltdelta.com

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In article <3732d966...@usenet.force9.net>,

r...@ronthomas.force9.co.uk (Ron Thomas) wrote:
> On 7 May 1999 07:28:45 GMT, Martin Julian DeMello
> <mdem...@pound.ruf.rice.edu> wrote:
>
> >Kim Hammers <ki...@gls3c.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Feel free to add your own:
> >
> >I dropped the toothpaste, Tom said ______________
> >
> >--
> >Martin DeMello
>
> Unsmilingly?
>
> Ron Thomas
>
>
I am crestfallen that we cannot come up with a better answer.
--
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Kim Hammers

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Martin Julian DeMello wrote in message <7gu4nd$b1$3...@joe.rice.edu>...

>Kim Hammers <ki...@gls3c.com> wrote:
>
>> Feel free to add your own:
>
>I dropped the toothpaste, Tom said ______________

SPOILER (?)


Crestfallenly ??????

dti...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <7gtkqr$7sg$1...@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>,

dia...@tbj.dec.com (Norman Diamond) wrote:
> In article <372A0487.2552@delete_this_field.uiuc.edu>, Jim Ferry
<jferry@delete_this_field.uiuc.edu> writes:
> >Kim Hammers wrote:
>
> >>3. "I forgot what my wife wanted from the store", Tom said
> >ABSENTMINDEDLY
>
> That seems *too* accurate to be a Swifty. No pun at all is involved;
> it's an ordinary sentence. "Unfulfillingly" would be Swifter but seems
> a bit, uh, unfulfilling. Any more ideas?

"Now where did I put that brain?" Igor said __________

--
Dan Tilque

Michele

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May 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/8/99
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dti...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> "Now where did I put that brain?" Igor said __________

ah... MINDLESSLY.

Martin Julian DeMello

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Jonathan Dushoff <jona...@eno.princeton.edu> wrote:
> Martin Julian DeMello (mdem...@pound.ruf.rice.edu) wrote:
> : Kim Hammers <ki...@gls3c.com> wrote:

> : > Feel free to add your own:

> : I dropped the toothpaste, Tom said ______________

> : --
> : Martin DeMello

> I am guessing you're looking for "crestfallen", but I've never heard
> "crestfallenly".

Crestfallenly it was. (Just went and checked it - it does exist)

--
Martin DeMello

Jason

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May 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/8/99
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--On Saturday, May 08, 1999, 2:13 AM -0400 Michele <mp...@unity.ncsu.edu>
wrote:

> dti...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> "Now where did I put that brain?" Igor said __________
>
> ah... MINDLESSLY.

or perhaps... ABSENTMINDEDLY.

Jason

bspence

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May 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/9/99
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In article <7gu4nd$b1$3...@joe.rice.edu>, Martin Julian DeMello
<mdem...@pound.ruf.rice.edu> wrote:

> Kim Hammers <ki...@gls3c.com> wrote:
>
> > Feel free to add your own:
>
> I dropped the toothpaste, Tom said ______________

Crestfallen

Rich Grise

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May 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/9/99
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Steve Sosensky wrote:
>
> On Sat, 01 May 1999 13:53:25 -0500, Jim Ferry
> <jferry@delete_this_field.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> >Jonathan S. Haas <jh...@bungie.com> wrote
> >
> >> > 14. "All campers to their shelters" Tom announced INTENSELY
> >
>
> I think INTENTLY would be a bit more accurate.

I think intensely works, because it's "all campers" and "shelters,"
which are plural, and aloud, it's in-tents-ly.

Respectfully submitted,
Rich

Rich Grise

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May 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/9/99
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> Feel free to add your own:
>

Do I still need spoiler space on this old thing?

4

3

2

1


> 5. "Block that kick" Tom said ______________
guardedly

>
> 6. "I've got a code in da nose" Tom muttered
_______________
snottily? stuffily?

>
> 7. "My paint canvas is black" Tom said
____________
darkly

>
> 8. "I hate quizzes" Tom stated _____________
testily

>
> 9. "This cream is bad" Tom said ______________
sourly

>
> 10. "Better order twelve dozen of the blasted
things", Tom said _________
grossly

>
> 11. "I always shop here" Tom announced
____________
regularly? customarily? - remote.

>
> 12. "Columbus, you were wrong" Tom
declared___________
roundly
[note by way of Rich, from Dr. Asimov: Columbus
didn't think the earth was flat - they'd known
it was a sphere since Herodotus or somebody
measured shadows in Pythagoras's time - there
was disagreement as to what the circumference
was - Columbus thought it was 8,000 miles, and
that he'd reach the Indies (which is why he
called the Americans "Indians.") He didn't prove
the Earth is round - he proved "It doesn't
matter how wrong you are, as long as you're
lucky as hell!" (Dr. Asimov).]

>

And my own, stolen from Time magazine of about
40 years ago:

"There's more than one way to skin a cat,"
said Tom, _______________ .

Cheers!
Rich

David K. Lewis

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May 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/10/99
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There was a puzzle presented to me recently (and on here recently as well)
about a boy playing on the beach, it went something like this:

"There is a boy playing on the beach and in one area he has 6 and 1/6
sandpiles and in another area he has 3 and 1/3 sandpiles. How many
sandpiles would he have if he put them all together."

Well the trick here is to get them to work out the fractions and come to
the answer of 9.5 when the real answer is that if you put them all together
you only have one pile :), this brings me to my question.

When presented with this I started to work out the fractions and then
realized that there would be only one pile, but then I realized that the
answer must be 9.5 and not one, so I answered 9.5 and when told the answer
was one I explained why 9.5 was slightly more valid. Some of my friends
disagree, so I thought I'd ask this group.

You see in order to have 1/3 or 1/6 a sandpile the poser must be using the
term sandpile as a unit of volume (unknown the the answerer), otherwise
you'd have 4 and 7 sandpiles. So when you put them all together you must
have 9.5 sandpiles (or 9.5 units of that volume), you also have 1 sandpile
(using the generic usage of the word). I feel that it would be more accurate
to respond to the poser in the same units that the question was asked
especially since those units have the same name. To do otherwise would be
very confusing.

I am now calling this the bastard puzzle :), because no matter what anyone
answers you can tell them they are wrong and have a convincing enough
argument that they will believe that they are wrong. When in fact I
believe 9.5 is the correct answer.

What do you think?

Dave.


Moose62254

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May 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/10/99
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I've always heard this posed with the sandpiles in whole numbers, so I always
said "One big pile," However, hearing it posed in fractions like that makes the
9.5 just as valid an answer.

"The Moose"

Merrie

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Aug 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/20/99
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Ben <be...@argkeno.com> wrote in message news:37b34...@208.152.77.250...
> David K. Lewis wrote in message <7h6jc2$d0s$1...@srv38s4u.cas.org>...

I don't think that using fractions makes the implication that there is a
stable unit of volume. Consider the sandwich. Half a hoogie isn't the same
as half a Dagwood. Consider that he had 4 sand piles of different sizes and
took two thirds away from one. If the resulting shape wasn't a pile, but
clearly a third of a pile wouldn't you think there were 3 and 1/3 piles of
sand?

Merrie


kIdMiGaRu

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Aug 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/20/99
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Merrie wrote:
>
> took two thirds away from one. If the resulting shape wasn't a pile, but
> clearly a third of a pile wouldn't you think there were 3 and 1/3 piles of
> sand?
>

"Clearly" a third of a pile? What exactly would make it clear that a
pile of sand is a third and not a whole?

Merrie

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The shape, like an upside down pie plate rather than a pile.

Merrie

kIdMiGaRu <kid...@i.am> wrote in message news:37BE435A...@i.am...

kIdMiGaRu

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Do you mean to tell me that piles have well-defined shapes? If I had a
pile of sand, and I flattened it out, it wouldn't be a pile anymore? And
that partial piles also have well-defined shapes, such as "upside down
pie plates?" I'd certainly like to see some reference on when piles were
given such definitions.

Merrie

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By inference. If I were given three rounded piles and then another one
that appeared to have it's rounded top cut off, I would think it had been
altered by having part removed.

kIdMiGaRu <kid...@i.am> wrote in message news:37BF2FC0...@i.am...


> Do you mean to tell me that piles have well-defined shapes? If I had a
> pile of sand, and I flattened it out, it wouldn't be a pile anymore?

It would be a flattened pile. If it's flattened considerably, I would
think that part had been removed. That's just what I would infer. You, if
I understand correctly, would think that when someone says "a third of a
pile" that they then mean that all piles are the same size as defined by
this third. I don't. When someone says "a half a sandwich" I don't think
it means all sandwiches are the same size as defined by this half, but I
still know what half a sandwich is and looks like.

Merrie

Merrie

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Aug 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/21/99
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Now let go of my leg.

kIdMiGaRu

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Then this will probably be my last post on this matter, as I merely
wanted to clarify my argument against the validity of fractional piles.
First of all, I accept the inference argument, but it doesn't entirely
apply in this case. And I still don't understand how sandwiches tie in.
There is a clear difference between the nature of sandwiches and the
nature of piles. If I took a "fractional pile" and made it rounded,
would it become a "whole pile?" Suppose I place this pile next to three
piles twice its size, and you would say it is half a pile. But if I move
the pile elsewhere, it would suddenly become a full pile.
Does the same apply to sandwiches? Can I rearrange "half a sandwich"
in such a way that you would consider it a complete sandwich? Sandwiches
have a general defined shape (i.e. bread, meat, bread), whereas piles do
not.
And if you still insist that piles can be defined in such a way, then
perhaps the boy made a flattened pile, and was left with only half a
pile instead of one.

Rich Grise

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> I agree with you... For the "poser" (what a word...) to say you are wrong,
> and that the answer is one is the same as saying that he put an impossible
> question to you because there is no such thing as 1/3, or 1/6 of a sand
> pile. He ruins his own puzzle, unless it's for little kids...
> -Ben

Lessee... If a Miner digs 6 1/6 holes on one site, and 3 1/3 on another,
...

:)
Rich

Rich Grise

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Aug 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/23/99
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Maybe he filled up his pail with moist sand, plopped it down upside
down to make his piles, and then sliced away 2/3 from one and 5/6
from the other, in pie-slice fashion.

Please see my earlier question about holes.

:)
Rich

Drew Thomas

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Aug 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/28/99
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I think the person is asking a real-life question, so I think one pile.
In real life, a person doesn't consider a sandpile a unit of volume,
simply a pile of sand.

In article <37b34...@208.152.77.250>, Ben <be...@argkeno.com> writes


>>I am now calling this the bastard puzzle :), because no matter what anyone
>>answers you can tell them they are wrong and have a convincing enough
>>argument that they will believe that they are wrong. When in fact I
>>believe 9.5 is the correct answer.
>>
>>What do you think?

--
Drew Thomas

Isaac Kuo

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"There is a boy playing on the beach and in one area he has 6 and 1/6
sandpiles and in another area he has 3 and 1/3 sandpiles. How many
sandpiles would he have if he put them all together."

In article <37BF6D9D...@i.am>, kIdMiGaRu <kid...@i.am> wrote:
> Then this will probably be my last post on this matter, as I merely
>wanted to clarify my argument against the validity of fractional piles.

[...]


> And if you still insist that piles can be defined in such a way, then
>perhaps the boy made a flattened pile, and was left with only half a
>pile instead of one.

I thought of another way to have fractional piles--mix the sand
with some other material, such as salt. A mixture of 5 parts
salt and one part sand would form a 1/6 sandpile!

Thus, the true answer is none! The resulting mixture isn't
strictly a sandpile, since it has some other substance mixed
with it. (If the original piles were the same mass, it would
be a 19/22 sandpile.)
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