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Yaknor

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Feb 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/26/99
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IS it possible? I am a student who is desperatly, and hurridly, searching for
a 10 by 10 crossword with no blanks. Is it possible? Does anyone know where
to find it? I need all the clues and answers, and it has to be free. I know
everyone who reads this will think I am an idiot or a greedy idiot, but I
REALLY need help. thanks to anyone who can help....

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William Tunstall-Pedoe

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Feb 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/26/99
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In article <19990226014326...@ng105.aol.com>, Yaknor
<yak...@aol.com> writes

>IS it possible? I am a student who is desperatly, and hurridly, searching for
>a 10 by 10 crossword with no blanks. Is it possible? Does anyone know where
>to find it? I need all the clues and answers, and it has to be free. I know
>everyone who reads this will think I am an idiot or a greedy idiot, but I
>REALLY need help. thanks to anyone who can help....
>

It probably isn't possible and there are certainly none that exist.

Finding a ten-square with acceptable words is one of the great unsolved
puzzles in wordplay. Furthermore, the usual style of ten square has each
word twice, once running across and once running downwards. A ten-square
with twenty different words is a whole level more difficult still.

The best you can hope for is an 8x8 square with no blanks and no
repeated words. There are examples such as the one below by Jeff Grant
but some of the words are very obscure and you will have to write the
clues yourself. Smaller squares will have more acceptable words:

TRATTLED
HEMERINE
APOTOMES
METAPORE
NAILINGS
ALOISIAS
TENTMATE
ASSESSED

William
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Martin Julian DeMello

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Feb 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/26/99
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Yaknor <yak...@aol.com> wrote:
: IS it possible? I am a student who is desperatly, and hurridly, searching for

: a 10 by 10 crossword with no blanks. Is it possible? Does anyone know where
: to find it? I need all the clues and answers, and it has to be free. I know
: everyone who reads this will think I am an idiot or a greedy idiot, but I
: REALLY need help. thanks to anyone who can help....

: Please Reply Directly to:
: yak...@aol.com

I doubt it's possible - a 10x10 wordsquare sounds highly unlikely. I've seen
6x6 and 10x3 - at a guess, 7x7 should be possible with a computer search and
a large and esoteric lexicon, but not 10x10. Is there any pressing reason not
to have blanks?

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Dylan O'Donnell

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Feb 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/26/99
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Martin Julian DeMello <mdem...@pound.ruf.rice.edu> writes:
> Yaknor <yak...@aol.com> wrote:
> : IS it possible? I am a student who is desperatly, and hurridly,
> : searching for a 10 by 10 crossword with no blanks. Is it possible?
> : Does anyone know where to find it? I need all the clues and answers,
> : and it has to be free. I know everyone who reads this will think I
> : am an idiot or a greedy idiot, but I REALLY need help. thanks to
> : anyone who can help....
>
> I doubt it's possible - a 10x10 wordsquare sounds highly unlikely. I've seen
> 6x6 and 10x3 - at a guess, 7x7 should be possible with a computer search and
> a large and esoteric lexicon, but not 10x10. Is there any pressing reason not
> to have blanks?

Am I missing something, or does the problem specification not actually
_require_ that the answer be a 10x10 wordsquare? A barred grid would fit
what's being asked for well enough, and shouldn't be _that_ hard to find
(though "standard" crossword grid convention is to have odd-length sides,
as far as I'm aware).

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Craig Kasper

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Feb 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/26/99
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Single wordsquares (with the same words in both directions) as large as
9x9 have been found (although word "quality" varies and none of them are
generally built entirely of words "in the language"); the largest double
(different words for each direction) I've actually seen is 8x8. You may
wish to visit www.puzzlers.org - specifically

http://www.puzzlers.org/formrecords

...for more details, or if you're into word squares, etc. Some
members of the National Puzzlers' League (who "own" the above website)
still create these as puzzles.

Sik Cambon Jensen's thesis (available on the web, but I don't have
the URL handy) about computer generation of crosswords also contains
examples of larger squares, etc. (though not 10x10 ones).

Craig Kasper

On 26 Feb 1999, Martin Julian DeMello wrote:
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> I doubt it's possible - a 10x10 wordsquare sounds highly unlikely. I've seen
> 6x6 and 10x3 - at a guess, 7x7 should be possible with a computer search and
> a large and esoteric lexicon, but not 10x10. Is there any pressing reason not
> to have blanks?
>

Bruce McKenzie

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Feb 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/27/99
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Not really on topic, but there's a 5 x 5 wordsquare in the center of an
excellent 13 x 13 barred cryptic by Cox & Rathvon at

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/current/9902puzz.htm

It's in the Feb. issue. If that URL doesn't work, back up to
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/current/index.htm and scroll down to
the puzzle link. They're archived.

Ucalegon

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Feb 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/27/99
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Don't forget that a number of 'Something Different' 10x10
squares have been published in *Enigma*. In these, like
the 'Something Different' crosswords of the *Crossworder's
Own Newsletter*, anything goes as long as it's clueable;
however, the acrosses are the same as the downs. In
the November 1998 issue, Wabbit had one in which the
first couple of clues were 'Sanka derived from protozoa'
and 'Period when things were really slow at the atlas-printing
shop', the last was 'Plant reproduction', and the square was:

A M E B A D E C A F
M A P A D A Y E R A
E P H O D R E L I C
B A O B A B B E A T
A D D A N Y O R Z O
D A R B Y M A Y O R
E Y E B O A A R M Y
C E L E R Y R I B S
A R I A Z O M B I E
F A C T O R Y S E X

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Wei-Hwa Huang

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Mar 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/3/99
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Craig Kasper <cka...@pangea.ca> writes:
>Single wordsquares (with the same words in both directions) as large as
>9x9 have been found (although word "quality" varies and none of them are
>generally built entirely of words "in the language"); the largest double
>(different words for each direction) I've actually seen is 8x8. You may
>wish to visit www.puzzlers.org - specifically

>http://www.puzzlers.org/formrecords

IIRC, "The Joy of Lex" cites a 10x10 wordsquare with some rather dubious
words in it.

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