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Paul R Demers

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Jun 27, 2001, 11:04:50 AM6/27/01
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I'm planning an 11 X 16 pond for next spring. The pond will be located
in an area with many trees. I will have a skimmer and biofalls for
filtration.
My questions are:

Does anyone have any experience with bottom drains (pros or cons)? Are
they worth the effort?
Any plans for how it would be hooked up with the configuration I
described would also be appreciated.

Thanks for any information. I have learned a lot already by reading your
questions and replies.

Paul

Barry

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Jun 27, 2001, 11:34:44 AM6/27/01
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"Paul R Demers" <Paul....@bos.frb.org> wrote:

> I'm planning an 11 X 16 pond for next spring. The pond will be located
> in an area with many trees. I will have a skimmer and biofalls for
> filtration.

Congrats to you Paul!

> My questions are:
>
> Does anyone have any experience with bottom drains (pros or cons)? Are
> they worth the effort?

I would not be caught without a bottom drain. From an atmospheric point
of view I can tell you that not much water is moving below the surface.
A skimmer will take care of the first few inches or so, but the water will
barely move near the bottom of a pond. A bottom drain system will take
care of that.

> Any plans for how it would be hooked up with the configuration I
> described would also be appreciated.
>

My bottom drain is above the liner. I used 4" abs connected to two
screened intakes. They have thier own filter, separate from the skimmer
filter.

Barry~

Wendy Kelly Budd

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Jun 27, 2001, 2:52:18 PM6/27/01
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> "Paul R Demers" <Paul....@bos.frb.org> wrote:
>
> > I'm planning an 11 X 16 pond for next spring. The pond will be located
> > in an area with many trees. I will have a skimmer and biofalls for
> > filtration.
>
> > Does anyone have any experience with bottom drains (pros or cons)? Are
> > they worth the effort?

I put in a 3" bottom drain through the liner and used 3" ABS pipe. Love
it. The hardest part was cutting the hole in the liner! I can try to
describe the setup; sorry I don't have a scanner. When I dug the hole, I
sloped the entire bottom slightly - very slightly towards where the bottom
drain would be located. Not enough slope to cause me to slip when walking
on in the pond later. Then I dug a trench that would hold the 3" ABS
piping leading away from the drain past the edge of the pond. I have a
Sequence pump which works best if kept below water level outside the pond.
For this reason, the 3" piping leads to a settling tank (55 gal plastic
drum) buried in the ground (about 8" stick out of the ground). There is a
3" pipe that comes out the other side of the drum. This pipe goes to the
pump, which is inside a 12"x12"x24" plastic box. This is buried also.
Dang, I hope this is clear, wish I had a scanner! To give you a gauge, I
clean the settling tank once a month, sometimes twice and my pond is 15 x 6
x 3deep.

-Wendy in N.CA.


BJBarnes22

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Jun 27, 2001, 5:36:37 PM6/27/01
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How can a bottom drain be incorporated in an existing concrete pond?

Barb

Oingofan

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Jun 27, 2001, 5:50:58 PM6/27/01
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Wendy,
Do you plan on having a website or pictures? I sure would
like to see how your technical details look about the settling tank
and such. I plan on the same exact setup. Thx!
Wayne

Wendy Kelly Budd

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Jun 27, 2001, 6:18:56 PM6/27/01
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"Oingofan" wrote in message

> Wendy,
> Do you plan on having a website or pictures? I sure would
> like to see how your technical details look about the settling tank
> and such. I plan on the same exact setup. Thx!
> Wayne

Wayne,
Sorry, I am still doing things the old fashioned way...paper & pencil. I
will gladly answer any questions.
-Wendy*


Michael Bradbury

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Jun 27, 2001, 9:01:23 PM6/27/01
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Just run the pipe on top of the concrete and use a "drain" piece designed
for that situation. Have seen several. No big deal, of course you do have
the pipes exposed on the bottom.
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BJBarnes22

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Jun 28, 2001, 12:44:32 AM6/28/01
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> Just run the pipe on top of the concrete and use a "drain" piece

Thanks for the info........ Barb

jan jordan

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Jul 3, 2001, 7:48:04 PM7/3/01
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On 27 Jun 2001 21:36:37 GMT, bjbar...@aol.com (BJBarnes22) wrote:

>How can a bottom drain be incorporated in an existing concrete pond?
>
>Barb

See my diagram on my website. Click on *My Filter*. ~ jan

See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
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Randy Hawkins

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Jul 5, 2001, 11:49:19 AM7/5/01
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> To give you a gauge, I clean the settling tank once a month, sometimes twice and my pond is 15 x 6 x 3deep.
>

How do you clean out the settling tank?

Thanks,
Randy

Michael Bradbury

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Jul 5, 2001, 6:12:57 PM7/5/01
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Hi Randy,
Was wondering if you've foung any pros and cons of having a "narrow" pond?
Thinking about one myself.

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Randy Hawkins

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Jul 6, 2001, 7:09:07 AM7/6/01
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"Michael Bradbury" <mbrad...@home.com> wrote in message news:<JD517.112187$mG4.54...@news1.mntp1.il.home.com>...

> Hi Randy,
> Was wondering if you've foung any pros and cons of having a "narrow" pond?
> Thinking about one myself.
>

Michael,
I really can't say. I am planning my first pond and doing some
research. I have not come across anything regarding pond widths.

Randy

APV206

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Jul 6, 2001, 10:56:19 PM7/6/01
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Move the site or cut the trees down. If you don't your asking for
problems. AL

Walter Schlomer

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Jul 7, 2001, 8:20:01 PM7/7/01
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Hi there...
bottom drains are essential and should be a priority in your planning!
A skimmer needs a suction line pump driven, bottom drains should be
syphon lines independent of the skimmer! You can give me an email with
particular questions but my pond construction is pretty detailed and
available for your perusal at
http://hpphoto.com/home/viewmyalbum.asp?coll_id=294667


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Michael Bradbury

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Jul 7, 2001, 11:20:41 PM7/7/01
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Walter Schlomer <w.sch...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Hi there...
> bottom drains are essential and should be a priority in your planning!
> A skimmer needs a suction line pump driven, bottom drains should be
> syphon lines independent of the skimmer!

Why?


Walter Schlomer

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Jul 8, 2001, 8:21:47 PM7/8/01
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Pumps macerste the stuff you want to get into the settling tanks for
removal! My bottom drains on syphon will pickup anything short of big
rocks!
The skimmer has light (swimming materials) and has to be cleaned
manually every so often !


Best regards,
Walter Schlomer
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Eastern Ontario - Canada
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2001 03:20:41 GMT, "Michael Bradbury"
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>Why?
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