Also the dead fish were at the bottom of the pond. What makes dead ones
float or sink? Is it gas like in most corpses, in this case in the swim
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Ian- I was told about this when I first set up my ponds, but you are the first
other person to mention it! A guy who gave a pond seminar here in Dallas said
that toads and frogs will sometimes latch onto a fish and restrict its
breathing or whatever and kill it! Bizarre!--
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>My friend has a largish (approx. 800 gallon pond). In it there are
>goldfish and koi. Lately he has found a couple of the bigger koi dead for
>no apparent reason. Today he was in the garden when he saw a fish rolling
>around in the pond. He netted it (a koi about 8 inches long) and on its
>back was a large frog. The frog had to be prised off the fish, I assume it
>was attempting to mate with the frog! This is not a joke, it is quite true.
>Has anyone else seen this phenomenon and has it killed their fish?
I've heard of the female frog sometimes getting drown by the male
while mating, but this sounds like one screwed up male frog. I hope
your friend removed it from the area (frog legs anyone?) after he
removed it from the fish.
>Also the dead fish were at the bottom of the pond. What makes dead ones
>float or sink? Is it gas like in most corpses, in this case in the swim
I imagine that's it. In this case they sank cause they've had the gas
squeeze right out of them?
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I've heard of this before from my neighbour whbaose father keeps Koi,
but so far - touch wood - its not happened to ba fish. So far as
fatalities are concerned, this year none - probably due to it being such
a mild winter in the UK, most years with a frozen pond, appprox 2-4
I suppose you've also got to bear in mind that in the 'spring' fish are
likely to be pretty weak, and a strong toad or frog could be just too
much for an enfeebled fish.
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>I saw a television show on Cane Toads in Australia. It said that they
>would mate with anything that would move, including a person's foot! When
>frogs mate, the male grasps onto the female very strongly (i believe the
>term is amplexus). This would surely kill a fish if a horny toad (bad
>pun) were to do this. I wouldn't underestimate the power of sex.
This is a little fallacious. The article you saw was very loosely interpreting
things. Frogs (henceforth frog = frog/toad) can try and mate with anything -
they have no "sense" that way, .. but <hidden caveats> the pattern followed is
The female swims around (or moves around depending on where it is). The male
frog follows close behind half piggy-back riding so that it can fertilize all
the eggs the female is releasing. To do this, male frogs usually end up
clutching the female front limbs. The usual pattern is to grasp the female
close to the "toes" where there actually exists a sort of fleshy glob which
helps in grabbing a hold.
Its not as if the frog can stick to anything in its frenzy to mate. It needs
to grasp the object rather tightly. A human foot has the necessary digits and
spaces in between to permit such a hold. A biggish smooth slippery koi with a
slime coat is in no danger because theres no way a frog can stay anchored on
it (no holds). A teeny koi and a biggish frog.... maybe.. and even there there
is no danger of suffocation because the gills arent clamped down.
Id be more worried about the following
Big koi, small toad.. toad = dinner, and some toads are poisonous
Small fry koi, biggish frog.. koi = dinner.
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I wonder if this is the correct interpretation, or did the Sturgeon grab
the frog and the frog grabbed back. Or the Sturgeon just sucked in a leg
when the frog was hiding in bottom debris. Frogs will grab like that
sometimes when snakes grab them. Once in a while it helps.
We tend to think in favor of whichever we like the most, but it may not
be so. Also, I believe your details, but have no idea what scenario is
the real one.
Nature has some twists and turns. Including death.
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. a few..
http://www.aqualink.com/fresh/species.html .. and scroll down to goldfish.
. and I have tons more. Im bored with typing them up here..
Seriously, there are about a million pages out there on the web. I suggest you
learn to use search engines more efficiently.
You might want to check out
the Goldfish Home Page at:
...or do a search on Yahoo! with the word "goldfish"...