photo vs painting
Amar Naru
Can anybody offer interesting information on the debate on the role of
painting in society with the advent of photography. All information
received with great interest.
Thank you
Sgt Jason
I just finished painting my garage door.
Jon Cohen
Amar Naru wrote:
>
> Can anybody offer interesting information on the debate on the role of
> painting in society with the advent of photography. All information
> received with great interest.
> Thank you
>
> na...@btinternet.com
Well, I can certainly name tons of living photographers, but I
could not name a single, top-tier artist who uses paint as their
primary medium. And this is despite watching that wonderful
Sister Wendy series on PBS.
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> I just finished painting my garage door.
Yup. Lousy job. Stick to photography.
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Frederic Goudal
Jon Cohen <jon_...@hp.com> writes:
>
> Amar Naru wrote:
> >
> > Can anybody offer interesting information on the debate on the role of
> > painting in society with the advent of photography. All information
> > received with great interest.
> > Thank you
> >
> > na...@btinternet.com
>
> Well, I can certainly name tons of living photographers, but I
> could not name a single, top-tier artist who uses paint as their
> primary medium. And this is despite watching that wonderful
> Sister Wendy series on PBS.
>
We may name Soulages, Barcelo, Balthus (still not dead), Hockney, (who
has done some intersting work with photography), Freud (Lucian),
Tapies (I don't like hime very much).
[But I'm not very much specialised in living painters].
I would be intersted in your list of photographer, but I somewhere
expect that they are more in the fashion, photojournalism domain than
in the pure art one, and that the one working on the same field as
painters are unknown from the broad public (and I don't have a lot of
name to give as if I remember some photo it is not the same for the
names but I recall : John Batho, Bernard Plossu, Sophie Calle) And
painting has never been used by modern media, as they are born near
the same time as photography and photogravure. I wonder if the famous
painter from the 19th century were known from a vast public or just
from the elite. But it photography has more replaced the local
portrait maker or the few illustrator working for the press (which was
less less important than today).
On another hand painting has not been the major form of art theese
last years, as conceptual art grew, and use of mixed technique.
On another hand (gosh I did not knew I had 3 hand), photo has been
integrated in plastic art and people like the Bocher, Boltanski uses
photography (the last reclaming a painter status) as plasticians.
f.g.
P.S. It is somewher interesting that in an "art" forum, the answer is so
low : either the usual sarcastic stupid comments from the immature, or
the preceding honnest "I don't know".
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Look at the things around you, the immediate world around you. If you are
alive, it will mean something to you, and if you care enough about
photography, and if you know how to use it, you will want to photograph that
meaningness. If you let other people's vision get between the world and your
own, you will achieve that extremely common and worthless thing, a pictorial
photograph.
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1923, p 613
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kingsnake
Sgt Jason wrote:
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> I just finished painting my garage door.
Does it have a picture of Mickey Mouse painted on it? ;->
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Jon Cohen
Frederic Goudal wrote:
>
> Jon Cohen <jon_...@hp.com> writes:
>
> >
> > Amar Naru wrote:
> > >
> > > Can anybody offer interesting information on the debate on the role of
> > > painting in society with the advent of photography. All information
> > > received with great interest.
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > na...@btinternet.com
> >
> > Well, I can certainly name tons of living photographers, but I
> > could not name a single, top-tier artist who uses paint as their
> > primary medium. And this is despite watching that wonderful
> > Sister Wendy series on PBS.
> >
>
> We may name Soulages, Barcelo, Balthus (still not dead), Hockney, (who
> has done some intersting work with photography), Freud (Lucian),
> Tapies (I don't like hime very much).
>
> [But I'm not very much specialised in living painters].
>
> I would be intersted in your list of photographer, but I somewhere
> expect that they are more in the fashion, photojournalism domain than
> in the pure art one,
<snip of good, thoughtful reply>
Okay, I feel challeneged -- off the top of my head (where my hair used
to be), here is a list of some of my favorite, living, photographic
artists:
Ruth Bernhard
Duane Michaels (I think he's still alive, but I'm not sure)
Paul Caponigro (ditto)
Larry Clark
Damn -- I'm stumped already -- I'll have to look at my books at home.
Dead photographic artists
Edward Weston
Minor White
Diane Arbus
Edward Steichen
and many more.
And you are right, many of the top photographers nowadays are more
fashion
or glamour photographers and are not necessarily pushing the envelope of
art.
Harry Callahan
Frederic Goudal
Jon Cohen <jon_...@hp.com> writes:
> Frederic Goudal wrote:
> Okay, I feel challeneged -- off the top of my head (where my hair used
> to be), here is a list of some of my favorite, living, photographic
> artists:
>
> Ruth Bernhard
> Duane Michaels (I think he's still alive, but I'm not sure)
> Paul Caponigro (ditto)
> Larry Clark
> Damn -- I'm stumped already -- I'll have to look at my books at home.
>
> Dead photographic artists
>
> Edward Weston
> Minor White
> Diane Arbus
> Edward Steichen
> and many more.
>
> And you are right, many of the top photographers nowadays are more
> fashion
> or glamour photographers and are not necessarily pushing the envelope of
> art.
This game of name dropping is fine, but I believe we should not be
ashamed if we don't know the name of the artists. I think it's more
important to be concious of the stream of creation, to know what
people do. The artistic work you've seen may inspire you, the artist name not :)
(Ok some contemporary artists are mode interesting by
themselves than by their work but it does not interest us).
f.g.
P.S. ABout painters : Baselitz... heu... sorry, I could not resist :)
andy simionato
In article <uxoh1co...@info.enserb.u-bordeaux.fr>, Frederic Goudal
<gou...@info.enserb.u-bordeaux.fr> wrote:
>> Frederic Goudal wrote:
>> Okay, I feel challeneged -- off the top of my head (where my hair used
>> to be), here is a list of some of my favorite, living, photographic
>> artists: ...........
>
>This game of name dropping is fine, but I believe we should not be
>ashamed if we don't know the name of the artists.
...the effect of photographic reproduction on the development of the
plastic arts is well documented, freeing the painter from the need to
represent reality in a literal way and opening the road to expressionism;
Picasso used photographs and the depth of field as seen through a lens
often in his paintings. Many photographers (including the dropped names)
refer to the iconographics of painting, the visual fields of painting, the
colour theory of painting, etc. The two fields are not necessarily
mutually exclusive.
Finally, if you are not well versed in contemporary painters then why
assume that your hit-list of photographers proves the domination of one
art form over another. I know the names of some formula 1 drivers, but
nothing about the 50m freestyle, shall i deduce that car racing is a
superior sport to swimming? please!
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Frederic Goudal
karen...@mclink.it (andy simionato) writes:
>
> In article <uxoh1co...@info.enserb.u-bordeaux.fr>, Frederic Goudal
> <gou...@info.enserb.u-bordeaux.fr> wrote:
>
> >> Frederic Goudal wrote:
> >> Okay, I feel challeneged -- off the top of my head (where my hair used
> >> to be), here is a list of some of my favorite, living, photographic
> >> artists: ...........
>
> >
> >This game of name dropping is fine, but I believe we should not be
> >ashamed if we don't know the name of the artists.
>
>
> ...the effect of photographic reproduction on the development of the
> plastic arts is well documented, freeing the painter from the need to
> represent reality in a literal way and opening the road to expressionism;
> Picasso used photographs and the depth of field as seen through a lens
> often in his paintings.
My parents just offered me a book on this subject last sundays. It
deals with the influence of photography on the nude painting. The
painters have used a lot the photo of nude models which could free
them from dealing with the model time and complications. It has had
some other influence, but I have not had the time to read the book
yet.
>Many photographers (including the dropped names)
> refer to the iconographics of painting, the visual fields of painting, the
> colour theory of painting, etc. The two fields are not necessarily
> mutually exclusive.
Photographers and painters usualy produce 2d images. The references
between the two domains are obvious. I don't think any decent
photographer should ignore all the work done in painting.
>
> Finally, if you are not well versed in contemporary painters then why
> assume that your hit-list of photographers proves the domination of one
> art form over another.
I don't understand where you took this information... maybe I did wrote
something wrong. I was just concerned by my own knowledge of the two
domains... And was very surprised to have so little name to give in
both domains despite my interest for theese domains.
f.g.
winddancing
FYI MUNCH AND PHOTOGRAPHY Arne Eggum: translated by Birgit Holm: Yale
University Press '89 (first published as Munch og Fotografi, Olso '87) 207
pages ISBN 0-300-0458-4
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