How to color B&W prints
Eli
So I need some advice how to do this .
The main quetions are:
1) should the prints to be on "paper" paper or "plastic" one will be O.K . ?
2) What colors to use ? I've heard about Marshall's oil but I don't know
what
does it mean. I tried to ask about this colors in art shops but without
any
positive result. So how should I describe this colors (or any others
that
are good ) in a shop in order to get right thing.
Thanks alot and forgive my bad english
Eli
Ron Ginsberg
mail order vendor. Don't have the site name any longer.
These are oil based transparent colors to be applied to matte finish
photos. They can be thinned to the desired transparency with extenders
and the like. Large photo stores should be able to get them. There are
several kits.
For glossies, you will probably have to apply a retouching type of dye.
If you wish to use the oils, you can spray a glossy with a matt finish
varnish.
For coloring portraits of matt finish, you may wish to investigate using
toner, a non-darkroom chemical procedure, to change a B&W print to a
warm toned sepia base color. This avoids cold toned shadow areas even
after tinting with oils.
It has been many years since I've done this, but it can produce some
very nice pictures.
John Grey
>An Internet search on Marshall's Photo or Color for me did turn up a
>mail order vendor. Don't have the site name any longer.
>
[...]
I bough some a while back from Freestyle
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I was ordering from the Uk and was very please with their service and
organisation of the overseas shipping.
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Carter
Marshall's makes a pencil set that is much easier and
cleaner to use than the oils if you use glossy paper you will need touse
spay matte finish I recomend Sureguard#941 this is what I use. Give it a
try. Have a great day!!!!!!!!
W.C.
George Beinhorn
Ron Ginsberg wrote:
>
> An Internet search on Marshall's Photo or Color for me did turn up a
> mail order vendor. Don't have the site name any longer.
>
> These are oil based transparent colors to be applied to matte finish
> photos. They can be thinned to the desired transparency with extenders
> and the like. Large photo stores should be able to get them. There are
> several kits.
>
> For glossies, you will probably have to apply a retouching type of dye.
> If you wish to use the oils, you can spray a glossy with a matt finish
> varnish.
>
> For coloring portraits of matt finish, you may wish to investigate using
> toner, a non-darkroom chemical procedure, to change a B&W print to a
> warm toned sepia base color. This avoids cold toned shadow areas even
> after tinting with oils.
>
> It has been many years since I've done this, but it can produce some
> very nice pictures.
>
> Eli wrote:
> >
> > Hi I love B&W but sometimes I want some little details to be colored.
> > So I need some advice how to do this .
> > The main quetions are:
> >
> > 1) should the prints to be on "paper" paper or "plastic" one will be O.K . ?
> > 2) What colors to use ? I've heard about Marshall's oil but I don't know
> > what
> > does it mean. I tried to ask about this colors in art shops but without
> > any
> > positive result. So how should I describe this colors (or any others
> > that
> > are good ) in a shop in order to get right thing.
> >
> > Thanks alot and forgive my bad english
> >
> > Eli
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Ron Frank
Eli wrote:
> Hi I love B&W but sometimes I want some little details to be colored.
> So I need some advice how to do this .
> The main quetions are:
>
> 1) should the prints to be on "paper" paper or "plastic" one will be O.K . ?
I assume you are talking about RC vs. Fiber paper. Kodak make a FineArt RC
paper which works well for coloring. Any matte paper (fiber or RC) will work.
Fiber absorbs the color better IMO, but is harder to work with if it's not
drymounted. Since you can not re-wet a dry mounted print (in case you fup the
coloring) than that has disadvantages.
> 2) What colors to use ? I've heard about Marshall's oil but I don't know
> what
> does it mean. I tried to ask about this colors in art shops but without
> any
> positive result. So how should I describe this colors (or any others
> that
> are good ) in a shop in order to get right thing.
>
> Thanks alot and forgive my bad english
>
> Eli
Marshall makes oils designed to color photographs. They can be purchased at
many photography stores in my local area. Also NYC mail order vendors carry
them. They generally come in kits, and can run anywhere from $20-$250 a set
depending upon the number of colors, instruction books/video etc.
Ron
Bill Schaffel
supply and hobby stores. Where I am, the only one who dosn't carry them is the
camera shop.
Eli
Thanks alot for all your help.
But there is one big problem ALL of you wrote that I can find Marshall's oil
at any good photo store in the U.S.
The problem is that I am NOT in the U.S. I am in Israel.
And here You cannot find Marshall's oil . Today I bought VanGogh oil
transparent and semi transparent with a couple of brushes, but I was so
exited to try them out , that simply fogotten 'em in bus .So unlucky :(
Patricia Older
this time, <S> ....
Bruce Caines
with which to work. One of the best sources for art supplies of any
kind (and cheap) in NYC is Pearl Paint. They have locations in
several U.S. cities. Go to http://www.pearlpaint.com/pearl/otloc.html
on their web site for locations. You can see what they have available
and what it might cost to ship it to you.
If you order one of their kits, start out with the medium sized one
and not a small one. The small ones usually don't offer you enough
variety if you find you want to get more involved.
When using fiber based prints, use a matte finish--the paints hold
better on that surface than any other. And by all means, use your
imagination! Don't get stuck doing only what they suggest you should
in the instruction booklet that comes with the kit.
In a previous post, "Eli" <il...@tx.technion.ac.il> arranged some
electrons so they looked like this :
>Hi I love B&W but sometimes I want some little details to be colored.
>So I need some advice how to do this .
>The main quetions are:
>
>1) should the prints to be on "paper" paper or "plastic" one will be O.K . ?
>2) What colors to use ? I've heard about Marshall's oil but I don't know
>what
> does it mean. I tried to ask about this colors in art shops but without
>any
> positive result. So how should I describe this colors (or any others
>that
> are good ) in a shop in order to get right thing.
>
>Thanks alot and forgive my bad english
Bruce Caines
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electrons so they looked like this :
>
That sucks! Well, if you buy more of the same, try applying them with
cotton swabs like Q-Tips or small bits of cotton wrapped on toothpicks
or little sticks. Use cotton balls for large areas. That's how you
apply Marshall's. The paints you left of the bus :( likely work the
same way. Spread 'em on and then thin the application by carefully
removing the excess with the cotton. BTW, a great trick for cleaning
out highlights when using Marshall's is to use a kneaded eraser. you
can twist the eraser to a fine point to clean out things like
highlights in eyes.
glblank
On the 19th you wrote.
Bruce Caines wrote:
> As several others offered, Marshall's Photo Oils are a great medium
> with which to work.
Have you tried digital? If so, know any good programs to do this?
Geoff
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glblank wrote:
> Have you tried digital? If so, know any good programs to do this?
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Bruce Caines
electrons so they looked like this :
>Bruce;
>
>On the 19th you wrote.
>
>> As several others offered, Marshall's Photo Oils are a great medium
>> with which to work.
>
>Have you tried digital? If so, know any good programs to do this?
Probably the best bet is good 'ol Photoshop, but there is something to
be said for doing things by hand. I enjoy a process that doesn't rely
on something else interpreting what I want to do. And after having
developed a style after years, I would hate to have to try to get some
software to to duplicate what I can do like second nature!
Allen Greenky
>
> Hi I love B&W but sometimes I want some little details to be colored.
> So I need some advice how to do this .
Marshall's photo 'tinting" paints are found in good camera stores and some art
supply places. These are intended for full coverage and may be difficult for
the spot coverage you intend.
There are color correcting dyes like Flexchrome, you can also use some colored
pencils, or even color marking pens, like underliners etc.
Ron Frank
> Eli wrote:
> >
> > Hi I love B&W but sometimes I want some little details to be colored.
> > So I need some advice how to do this .
>
> Marshall's photo 'tinting" paints are found in good camera stores and some art
> supply places. These are intended for full coverage and may be difficult for
> the spot coverage you intend.
>
Please explain this comment. I use Marshall oils, and have no difficulty coloring
just eyes for example, or a flower. How are they intended for "full coverage" as
you put it??
Ron
> There are color correcting dyes like Flexchrome, you can also use some colored
> pencils, or even color marking pens, like underliners etc.
I have found pencils a pain to use on anything but matte fiber paper. The oils
work well on Fine Art RC paper, and even just a matte RC paper. I find hand
coloring fiber a bit more difficult due to the curling factor. I do have a press,
but don't like to mount a print prior to coloring. Oil is a bit messy, and I
doubt I could keep it off the white mountboard. If one plans on mating then it
would not matter.
Ron
Harald Finster
may I (again) add a suggestion wich might be worth the efford to try it
out?
Gouache (which 'translates' into 'gouache' in English according
to my dictionary) is a color based on water. I don't know, what
is used as binder, but is must be something similar to water color.
It's NOT acrylic!
The color comes in small tubes like oil-color and is available in
many different colors.
(I prefer to mix the colors by myself from a small number of base-
colors, like
carmine-red, prussian-blue, black, white, yellow and ochre. )
Depending on the degree of thinning you get more or less transparency.
You may even use the color almost unthinned resulting in a oil-picture
like surface.
The finish of gouache color is mat.
I love to combine gouche with glossy PE paper. The combination of
mat color and brillant paper-surface gives a nice effect and can be
used to emphasize important parts of the image.
Here in Germany you can get the color in almost every shop
supplying materials for artists.
You should use a very good brush, preferably red-marten.
Hope that helps, feel free to ask, if you have more questions
Harald
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