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John Stafford

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Jul 8, 2002, 9:37:19 AM7/8/02
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Money is no object! I desperately need to diminish the quality of my
photography! And it's not easy. Due to my reputation for integrity and
excellence, I'm finding it very difficult to keep people from taking my work
seriously. Last week I shot three rolls of film through my SWC blindfolded
as I walked through a public park. Now I have people clamoring to purchase
prints.

Help Me!


Art Begun

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Jul 8, 2002, 10:52:17 AM7/8/02
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Buy a Leica.

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Steve Wolverton

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Jul 8, 2002, 12:09:21 PM7/8/02
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Contract your work out and let other people do the grunt work and sell it
under your name. That's what manufacturers have been getting away with for
years.

Steve

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John Stafford

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"Art Begun" <beg...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Buy a Leica.

Not expensive enough! Besides, I understand that if someone finds out that a
picture is taken with a Leica, it automatically is given certain undue
credit. I need something terribly expensive, but with a horrible reputation
for quality.

John Stafford

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"Steve Wolverton" <st...@nospammerwolvertonphotography.com> wrote in message
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> Contract your work out and let other people do the grunt work and sell it
> under your name. That's what manufacturers have been getting away with
for
> years.

Change my name to what? Canon?

Ralf R. Radermacher

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Jul 8, 2002, 3:21:58 PM7/8/02
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John Stafford <jo...@stafford.net> wrote:

> I need something terribly expensive, but with a horrible reputation
> for quality.

A K60 from Kiev USA. ;-)

Ralf

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Art Begun

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Jul 8, 2002, 4:38:45 PM7/8/02
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Actually you reminded me of a photo course I took in college.

It was senior year and a bunch of us chem majors decided to take a fun
course so we decided to take a photo course. We didn't really like
the prof and he didn't like us. We weren't "art-sy" enuf being chem
majors and he insulted our work at every class. We probably deserved
it.

We didn't really care about grades at this point... second semester
senior year. So for my final project I decided that all photography
would take place in my dorm room with the lights off. I grapped 2
flashes and my camera and took a bunch of pictures each with the
shutter on bulb and setting off the flashes by hand. I think I
covered them with handkerchiefs to reduce their out put. My hands and
the flashes were in the picture of what ever I was photographing. So
each picture was basically black with 2 hands holding flashes and the
object. In some cases the object was my leg (wearing Levi's...
nothing risquee here at all).

I developed and printed the pictures and without showing them to
anyone submitted the project. Pretty much forgot about it at that
point.

A few days later my 2 classmates show up all excited with a hand
written note from the prof expressing his excitement over the project
and my improvement. I thought my classmates had written the note
themselves and were pulling my leg but it was indeed genuine. I got
an "A-" in the class.

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Robert Monaghan

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Jul 8, 2002, 11:10:02 PM7/8/02
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yes, sometimes only a bad lens will do - that's why there's Plungercam!!!!

see http://marktucker.com/plungercam/index.html

http://marktucker.com/plungercam/plungercam.jpg

the term plunger comes from the toilet bowl plunger used to mount the lens

grins bobm

PS or how about shooting thru a bottle? think I'm kidding? see
http://www.artphoto.ru/eng/gauthor.asp?gal=g&a=Shechkov

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dr bob

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Jul 9, 2002, 12:49:10 AM7/9/02
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This reminds me of an art class my friend was taking which required an oil
painting as the final project. He spent several days preparing a rather
attractive image of the Duck Pond at Va. Tech - a rather romantic place -by
several definitions. I was at his studio when he finished and was cleaning
up. He used a small canvass board as a palette and as he scraped off the
unused paint, he remarked about the abstract patterns produced. He entered
both, and the palette won 1st place - "Duck Pond" was ignored. As I have
said before, critics are to artists as pigeons are to statues.

Truly, dr bob.


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Pat Perez

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Jul 8, 2002, 8:50:36 PM7/8/02
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Schwarzeneger?

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Lassi Hippeläinen

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Jul 9, 2002, 6:58:17 AM7/9/02
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Buy a Holga. To increase the price, buy a shipload of them.

-- Lassi

ajacobs2

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Jul 9, 2002, 7:23:07 AM7/9/02
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Sometimes it not art, luck and circumstance can make winners....I take one
of my classes on a field trip to a really unique landmark in St.Petersburg
Florida. The upside down St. Petersburg pier. Looks like a pyramid but
upside down with the small part as the ground floor. Great for teaching
lines of convergence, architecture, people, engaged in fishing, boating,
etc.

One of the gals is wearing a 3" silver amulet around her neck on a
chain....the relatively tame Pelicans are just floating in orbit circling
around looking for a handout.

Coming in ahead of the pack Flight Lieutenant Bozo the Pelican targets the
amulet thinking it's a shiner. About eight-ten feet away out come the dive
brakes, full flaps, gear down and mouth open, she panics and hits the
shutter on the fe with a 28, bright sunny day, everything worked, depth of
field, right lens, fast shutter..didn't have a clue as she ducked thinking
she was about to be speared..

Following Sunday, it's the back page of the St. Pete times and the winner in
a photo contest....an incredible shot..........

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Al Jacobson
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David Starr

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Jul 9, 2002, 8:48:04 AM7/9/02
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On Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:23:07 GMT, "ajacobs2"
<ajac...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:


>Coming in ahead of the pack Flight Lieutenant Bozo the Pelican targets the
>amulet thinking it's a shiner. About eight-ten feet away out come the dive
>brakes, full flaps, gear down and mouth open, she panics and hits the
>shutter on the fe with a 28, bright sunny day, everything worked, depth of
>field, right lens, fast shutter..didn't have a clue as she ducked thinking
>she was about to be speared..
>
>Following Sunday, it's the back page of the St. Pete times and the winner in
>a photo contest....an incredible shot..........

Any link to the shot available?


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ArtKramr

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Jul 9, 2002, 9:22:30 AM7/9/02
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>Subject: Re: My pictures are too good
>From: "Pat Perez" patric...@adelphia.net
>Date: 7/8/02 5:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <wrqW8.14788$071.3...@news1.news.adelphia.net>


Gold plated diamond studded KIEV?


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John Stafford

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Jul 9, 2002, 11:51:30 AM7/9/02
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"Art Begun" <beg...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Actually you reminded me of a photo course I took in college.
> [...]

Art is self-reference discourse. Plain and simple. Your instructor was
making a point, albeit a friggin stupid and egocentric one. You could have
countered that the palette was not art, but nature: accidental. But then
you wouldn't have passed the course.


Art Begun

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Jul 9, 2002, 10:19:00 AM7/9/02
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That was why autofocus was invented.


John

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Jul 9, 2002, 6:05:50 PM7/9/02
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In article <uijp1u6...@news.supernews.com>,
"John Stafford" <jo...@stafford.net> wrote:

Warhol.

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John Stafford

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Jul 9, 2002, 11:21:28 PM7/9/02
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in article jsphoto-92D1C7...@shawnews.gv.shawcable.net, John at
jsp...@spamisickysilverworks.com wrote on 7/9/02 5:05 PM:

>>
>> Change my name to what? Canon?
>>
> Warhol.

"Art is what you can get away with" Warhol? Eeooo. Would I have to mince?

KFritch

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Jul 10, 2002, 8:15:39 AM7/10/02
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Now you have your name, Art Warhol

Christopher Perez

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Jul 10, 2002, 12:45:09 PM7/10/02
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Sir John,

Recommendation: take 40grit sandpaper to the front of your formerly fine
Zeiss optics. That should do the trick!

In Reverence - x

John Stafford

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Jul 10, 2002, 9:30:38 PM7/10/02
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in article smak-1410EE.1...@allnews.casema.net, Lourens Smak at
sm...@wanadoo.nl wrote on 7/10/02 10:59 AM:

>
> You're not the first photographer with this problem; maybe this camera
> modification is interesting for you:
>
> http://marktucker.com/plungercam/newplunger.jpg
> how to do it:
> http://marktucker.com/plungercam/index.html

I have seen Tucker's work, and I like it very much. Thanks for the reminder!

John Stafford

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Jul 10, 2002, 9:36:05 PM7/10/02
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in article owZW8.5$1X....@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Christopher Perez at
chri...@exgate.tek.com wrote on 7/10/02 11:45 AM:

> Sir John,
>
> Recommendation: take 40grit sandpaper to the front of your formerly fine
> Zeiss optics. That should do the trick!

Maybe wet-sand it with 240 and coca-cola. Yea, that's the ticket. I'm
painting my some engine parts today and maybe I'll black-wrinkle the
Hasselblad lens and body while I'm at it. (Which reminds me, I have yet to
dumb-down my car! Darn. The work never ends. In the spirit of OT, here's the
'before' pic of the car: http://wind.winona.edu/~stafford/c/002.jpg)


John Stafford

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Jul 11, 2002, 8:00:49 AM7/11/02
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in article mmupiu4q0iv1bg4d0...@4ax.com, Daniel Brittion at
Photoguy...@cs.com wrote on 7/10/02 10:28 PM:

> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:36:05 -0500, John Stafford <jo...@stafford.net>
> wrote:
>
>> (Which reminds me, I have yet to dumb-down my car! Darn.
>> The work never ends. In the spirit of OT, here's the
>> 'before' pic of the car: http://wind.winona.edu/~stafford/c/002.jpg)
>

> Speaking of, how often do you have to change the battery in a VW ? :)

Not as often as you have to change the whole engine, especially when it's a
bored and stroked 2156 running 10.2:1. But we digress.

Christoper M Perez

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Jul 11, 2002, 11:24:37 AM7/11/02
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Rather like stuffing bananas up a Ducati's Conti spent gas flushing system?
:-)

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John Stafford

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"Christoper M Perez" <christoph...@tek.com> wrote in message
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> Rather like stuffing bananas up a Ducati's Conti spent gas flushing
system?
> :-)

I kinda liked dropping Italian spices and garlic down the Duc's big CF
mufflers to give a genuine nasal experience, and a clue, to squids as I
passed 'em WFO in a sweeper.

Stephanie

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Jul 13, 2002, 4:48:31 AM7/13/02
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Art, your story reminded me of a quote I heard recently. It was that "art"
is a conspiracy between artists and rich people to make the rest of us feel
stupid. I majored in photography for a year and hated most of it because
everyone else was doing wierd things like growing a woman's head out of a
fish's body and all I wanted to do was take pics of the kids in the school
daycare! (Go figure, I'm a children's portrait photographer now!!)
Stephanie

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