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Mike Jordan

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Aug 30, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/30/00
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I want to be able to switch a lens from one lensboard to another but
whoever put the lens in the metal lensboard that it is in tightened the
holding frange tighter than I can undo with my hand. There are 3 slots on
the frange, so I assume that there is a tool available that can be used to
unscrew these. About how much do they cost and where can I find
one? Although I plan on just hand tighting them when I switch between
lens boards, if it isn't too expensive, I'd like to get one. Thanks for
any suggestions.

Mike

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Anonymous

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Aug 31, 2000, 2:13:30 AM8/31/00
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On 30-Aug-2000, Mike Jordan <mjo...@thetics.europa.com> wrote:

> I want to be able to switch a lens from one lensboard to another but
> whoever put the lens in the metal lensboard that it is in tightened the
> holding frange tighter than I can undo with my hand. There are 3 slots on
> the frange, so I assume that there is a tool available that can be used to
> unscrew these. About how much do they cost and where can I find
> one? Although I plan on just hand tighting them when I switch between
> lens boards, if it isn't too expensive, I'd like to get one. Thanks for
> any suggestions.

The lens wrench you are looking for is available from Calumet and most places that have large format stuff. There are two kinds one is adjustable and the other is a flat piece of metal with notches cut in the edges for the various sizes of retaining rings. I thought there were only two slots in the retaining ring? Anyway, I was taught to only tighten them by hand. I still have to use the wrench to get them off sometimes. As I recall the flat kind was $10 or $15.
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Michael Briggs

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Aug 31, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/31/00
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Mike Jordan wrote:
>
> I want to be able to switch a lens from one lensboard to .........

> so I assume that there is a tool available that can be used to
> unscrew these. About how much do they cost and where can I find
> one?
The traditional tool for engaging with the notches on the retaining ring
is a spanner wrench. Adjustable spanner wrenches will do many optical
tasks like disassembling lenses. The cheaper alternative for just the
task of fastening shutters to lensboards is a piece of thick sheet metal
with slots cut, leaving projections at the correct separation for each
shutter size. These are made by Rodenstock and Toyo and cost something
like $10 or $15. The major retailers stock them. For this specific
task, I find the cheaper tool to work as well or better than an
expensive adjustable wrench, so don't think you are being cheap when you
buy this tool.

>Although I plan on just hand tighting them when I switch between
> lens boards, if it isn't too expensive, I'd like to get one.

My experience is that if you want to avoid the shutter rotating on the
board, you have to at go beyond hand tightening and at least lightly use
the wrench.

--Michael

Bob Salomon

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Aug 31, 2000, 7:13:59 AM8/31/00
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The Rodenstock Lens Wrench is about $16.00 and fits 0, 1 and 3 shutters. Any
professionaql camera store should have them.

It would be a better idea to find one lensboard that fits both cameras. The
most common waqy of doing this is to use Linhof Technika 45 lensboards and
Linhof adapters on the cameras. All pro cameras offer a Linhof adapter
board.
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> From: Mike Jordan <mjo...@thetics.europa.com>
> Organization: Europa
> Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
> Date: 30 Aug 2000 21:40:10 -0700
> Subject: Tool to remove lens from lensboard?
>
> I want to be able to switch a lens from one lensboard to another but
> whoever put the lens in the metal lensboard that it is in tightened the
> holding frange tighter than I can undo with my hand. There are 3 slots on

> the frange, so I assume that there is a tool available that can be used to


> unscrew these. About how much do they cost and where can I find

skgrimes

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Aug 31, 2000, 8:40:48 AM8/31/00
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The best way to accomplish this is to set things up so no tools are
required. That involves using two mounting flanges rather than one
retainer. The flanges are affixed to the lensboards with screws and the
lens/shutter threads on and off by hand with no tools needed. See:
http://www.skgrimes.com/adapter/index.htm for a page about the difference
between flanges and retainers.

Retainers almost always have two slots or holes 180 degrees off from each
other.
I make and sell a very nice adjustable tool (fits all sizes) for use with
the usual style of shutter retainer. See:
http://www.skgrimes.com/span/index.htm for pictures and info.

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Paul Butzi

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Aug 31, 2000, 10:55:00 AM8/31/00
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On 30 Aug 2000 21:40:10 -0700, Mike Jordan
<mjo...@thetics.europa.com> wrote:

>I want to be able to switch a lens from one lensboard to another but
>whoever put the lens in the metal lensboard that it is in tightened the
>holding frange tighter than I can undo with my hand. There are 3 slots on
>the frange, so I assume that there is a tool available that can be used to
>unscrew these. About how much do they cost and where can I find
>one? Although I plan on just hand tighting them when I switch between
>lens boards, if it isn't too expensive, I'd like to get one. Thanks for
>any suggestions.

There are several good options for lens spanners.

I own two:

1. One of Steve Grimes's excellent spanners, truly a delight and a
joy forever, but too large and bulky to go in the bag with the camera
and lenses.

2. One of the Rodenstock flat metal wrenches, with tabs spaced to
fit #0, #1, and #3 shutters.

Both do the job. Neither one is expensive. If you want something
to live in your toolbox, I'd highly recommend the Grimes spanner.
If you want something small and light to carry for emergencies,
the Rodenstock does nicely.

-Paul
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John Emmons

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Aug 31, 2000, 11:51:32 AM8/31/00
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You've already received a ton of good replies, here's a mediocre one.
If you can't find a real lens wrench go to a bike shop, get an
adjustable spanner wrench. They look kinda like a small pair of tongs
made out of thin metal rods but instead of picking things up it has
small tips that will engage the notches on most lens retaining rings,
they are flexible so they fit a variety of different sizes. You will
have to hold it onto the rings or it can pop off and strip the
notches. I got one at REI Co-op for about 6 bucks. They are also
called pin spanners by some folks. Not a perfect solution but a
workable one, fits easily into a pocket in my back pack and it fits
this odd sized retaining ring on my Xenar 150mm lens.

John Emmons


"Mike Jordan" <mjo...@thetics.europa.com> wrote in message
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> I want to be able to switch a lens from one lensboard to another but
> whoever put the lens in the metal lensboard that it is in tightened
the
> holding frange tighter than I can undo with my hand. There are 3
slots on
> the frange, so I assume that there is a tool available that can be
used to
> unscrew these. About how much do they cost and where can I find
> one? Although I plan on just hand tighting them when I switch
between
> lens boards, if it isn't too expensive, I'd like to get one. Thanks
for
> any suggestions.
>

Mike Jordan

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Aug 31, 2000, 8:33:00 PM8/31/00
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Bob Salomon <robert...@mindspring.com> wrote:
: The Rodenstock Lens Wrench is about $16.00 and fits 0, 1 and 3 shutters. Any

: professionaql camera store should have them.

Thanks Bob.

: It would be a better idea to find one lensboard that fits both cameras. The


: most common waqy of doing this is to use Linhof Technika 45 lensboards and
: Linhof adapters on the cameras. All pro cameras offer a Linhof adapter
: board.

I don't know if I could find a lens board that would fit both. One is a
Bush Pressman 4x5 and the other is a Brand 17 4x5 view camera. The lens
board from the Bush is smaller than the one for the Brand 17. I suppose a
lens board could be made that would allow me to set the Bush lens board in
it, but I'm not sure how I'd create one. What I plan on doing eventually
is get another lens to put on the view camera since I'll probably use that
more in my house to take portraits of our dogs... and the occasional stray
kid or two.

Thanks for the suggestion though. I've not thought of trying to find one
that could be used in both.

Mike Jordan

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Aug 31, 2000, 8:39:19 PM8/31/00
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Paul Butzi <bu...@halcyon.com> wrote:
: On 30 Aug 2000 21:40:10 -0700, Mike Jordan
: <mjo...@thetics.europa.com> wrote:

:>I want to be able to switch a lens from one lensboard to another but
:>whoever put the lens in the metal lensboard that it is in tightened the
:>holding frange tighter than I can undo with my hand. There are 3 slots on
:>the frange, so I assume that there is a tool available that can be used to


: Both do the job. Neither one is expensive. If you want something


: to live in your toolbox, I'd highly recommend the Grimes spanner.
: If you want something small and light to carry for emergencies,
: the Rodenstock does nicely.

Thanks Paul. I'm going to check out Grimes spanners. I knew most of the
large format people had to have a source for these things. <grin>

Mike Jordan

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Aug 31, 2000, 8:37:32 PM8/31/00
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Hi SKG,

skgrimes <skgr...@ma.ultranet.com> wrote:
: The best way to accomplish this is to set things up so no tools are


: required. That involves using two mounting flanges rather than one
: retainer. The flanges are affixed to the lensboards with screws and the
: lens/shutter threads on and off by hand with no tools needed. See:
: http://www.skgrimes.com/adapter/index.htm for a page about the difference
: between flanges and retainers.

I'll check the page out. This is a retaining ring as there are no screws
on it at all.


: Retainers almost always have two slots or holes 180 degrees off from each
: other.

I have 3 holes, two are round and the 3rd is square and are equal distance
apart in a triangle.

: I make and sell a very nice adjustable tool (fits all sizes) for use with


: the usual style of shutter retainer. See:
: http://www.skgrimes.com/span/index.htm for pictures and info.

I'll check your tool out. Thanks for the information.

Mike Jordan

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Aug 31, 2000, 8:41:38 PM8/31/00
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John Emmons <JOH...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: You've already received a ton of good replies, here's a mediocre one.

: If you can't find a real lens wrench go to a bike shop, get an
: adjustable spanner wrench. They look kinda like a small pair of tongs
: made out of thin metal rods but instead of picking things up it has

Thanks John. If I can't find one using any of the other suggestions I'll
take a look at one of the bigger bike shops in our area. We have a ton of
them around here.

John Costello

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Aug 31, 2000, 10:05:11 PM8/31/00
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Mike Jordan wrote:

> I want to be able to switch a lens from one lensboard to another but
> whoever put the lens in the metal lensboard that it is in tightened the
> holding frange tighter than I can undo with my hand. There are 3 slots on
> the frange, so I assume that there is a tool available that can be used to

> unscrew these. About how much do they cost and where can I find
> one? Although I plan on just hand tighting them when I switch between
> lens boards, if it isn't too expensive, I'd like to get one. Thanks for
> any suggestions.
>

> Mike
>
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> Hillsboro, Oregon
> Bouvier des Flandres - Carting, Herding & Clicker Training
> WWW: http://www.europa.com/~mjordan

Mike,

Just got one day before yesterday from a jeweler's supply house in
Philadelphia. $9.95
All metal, adjustable (small center worm gear), flat and easy to carry; and it
worked perfectly and easily.
Bonus: bright red/orange color so you can't mislay it.

John

David Boyce

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Sep 1, 2000, 3:18:11 AM9/1/00
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Mike, I beleve St Grimes has a tool available for this job, see his web site
www.skgrimes.com

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