Nikon F80 v Canon Eos 30/33
Ash
I've decided to take the plunge into SLR photography and I'm looking
into getting either the Nikon F80 or Canon EOS 30/33. I've trawled
through these pages finding as much as I can about these cameras and
strikes me there's little to choose between them. Any thoughts you
have about these two cameras would be gratefully received. Is there a
problem with low-light focusing in the Canon or are owners being picky
because there's so little to complain about??!! Any tips on the best
lenses & flashes to go with these cameras would be helpful.
Cheers
Ash
ajacobs2
Both Camera's will generally work well for an entry level SLR user
Both have their advocates based on preferences, product loyalty and so
forth
Both are close in features and benefits.
Both have their their share of accessories, and accessories vary by
feature and price...
Both systems are comparable
Both systems will not make up for lack of talent or expertise
Instead of making this another nit-picker thread whereas the nits
usually fight over....nits, just ask yourself a few questions like:
What do I like to shoot, topic, subjects, location?
What do I really need? Now, and later...
What is a realistic judgement of my skills as a photographer?
What will I do to improve?
Where do I wish to be five years from now? Hobby/Part Time/ I'm caught
in it!
Only you can make a logical decision for you, everything else will be
opinions.
Write it down , make a plan, Ben Franklin did this, sometimes you
visualize better if it's in writing
Then you decide what you need using common sense.
Good luck
Aaron
assist illuminator, is able to focus under low light conditions It can even
focus on white walls.
Aaron
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and 7.
Don't forget to check the prices of lenses you want. It doens't make much
sense if you have a X brand body and the lens YOU want costs too much. The Y
brand has the same lens for less money... it might look or sound stupid now
but wait till you get there.
Have fun with whatever SLR you choose.
m.
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Marco de Boer
shooting them, change aperture etc. Just did it in the photoshop where they
allowed me to do it. After these tests, my choice was fairly easy, and
still don't regret it: F80 !! But this is just a personal thing.
Succes,
Marco
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EOS30) last June not just because of technology it offered but more on
my need. It is my first camera so I am a super novice, but I had a few
things in my mind: scenary and action.
You can't go wrong with either of them for scenary. Both offer excellent
bodies. I just thought ECS would give me easier time to change the
focusing point so my choice was EOS.
Action: I was totally biased to EOS after reading bunch of reviews and
hear from my friends. Canon's USM lenses have really fast focusing time.
Nikon's doesn't offer that fast focusing lenses.
What I wanted to say here was to choose your camera after you finalize
what you are going to shoot the most of time. Then check on what kinds
of lenses they offer. Then choose the body. The body gives you some
fundamental technologies, but I think lens is more important, and again
your will of photography is even more important. :)
Yes, EOS 30 has a problem with focusing on dark surface or flat surface.
But it is not a big of deal. You can always use manual focusing. And one
question I would like to ask is "Are you going to shoot during dark or
daylight?" If you are going to shoot during the day more of time, don't
even get bothered with it. :)
ThomasH
>
> I've been in the same position. I decided after feeling both camera's,
> shooting them, change aperture etc. Just did it in the photoshop where they
> allowed me to do it. After these tests, my choice was fairly easy, and
> still don't regret it: F80 !! But this is just a personal thing.
Except that Canon's lens system is light years ahead of the Nikon's
offering. Nikon demands for example huge prices for the silent wave
focusing motor, in Canon's case this is standard, it is in almost
every lens. Canon also has an entire series of image stabilizing
lenses, Nikon has only one, here again at a high price... Nikon is
getting late with keeping pace to Canon, that's why you will observe
in this group many user reports of a Nikon->Canon transition, ob both
amateur and pro level. I can not recall any single report in the
opposite direction. I have now the EOS-3 as a new body and it sure
swings compared to my old Nikon F90.
Thomas.
Simon ALIBERT
> Except that Canon's lens system is light years ahead of the Nikon's
> offering. Nikon demands for example huge prices for the silent wave
> focusing motor, in Canon's case this is standard, it is in almost
> every lens.
You right, but AFS is faster, quieter, than any Canon Lens motor, and
this is not from my imagination, since I don't even own a Nikon ;-) I
read that fact in all the magazines I usually bought..
>Canon also has an entire series of image stabilizing
> lenses, Nikon has only one, here again at a high price... Nikon is
> getting late with keeping pace to Canon, that's why you will observe
> in this group many user reports of a Nikon->Canon transition, ob both
> amateur and pro level. I can not recall any single report in the
> opposite direction.
I don't think so, not in a pro level at least, look the sales reports of
the D1 for example, it was a Canon>Nikon transition ;-)
>I have now the EOS-3 as a new body and it sure
> swings compared to my old Nikon F90.
I tried both F100/Eos3, and I think I'll go for the F... you know ;-)
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Ramin
> I want to add that the EOS30/33 when used with a Canon speedlight's AF
> assist illuminator, is able to focus under low light conditions It can even
> focus on white walls.
>
> Aaron
illuminator is annoying white. My former ElanII had a red AF assist
light. My new Maxxum7 also
has a red light which is nice.
Once i tried AF assist light of an EOS300/rebel2000. It had three
white burst through
the built-in flash which was quite annoying. Besides, even after these
three busrt it was not able to focus on a white wall that my maxxum7
was able to focus
imimidietley. ElanII was also OK in this regard.
I wonder if EOS30/33 is better then EOS300.
Ramin
Ramin
you:
EOS30 has MLU(mirror lock-up), F80 has spot metering.
Also, they are a bit different in control lay-out. Think which one
looks more intuitive to you and you can operate faster.
There is also Minolta Dynax/Maxxum 5 which is comparable in features
with these two cameras but a lot cheapper so that you can spend the
difference on
lenses.
Ramin
Tony Spadaro
It calls for pressing a button to go from shutter speed change to aperture
change - this slows operations, making it a beginner/casual user camera like
the Rebel or the N65. Having a few extraneous features does not make up for
the basic slowness of the interface.
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Tony Spadaro
the features you think you'd like better.
There are a few articles on choosing equipment at
http://home.nc.rr.com/tspadaro/
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http://www.photo.net/photo/nikon/n80
It contains a link to the Canon. The N80 has significantly better
autofocusing and metering, the Canon has a faster winder and mirror
lockup. Pick your poison.
Mark
Ash
Thanks for all your input. Going out to get the feel of the two
cameras and check out the lenses
Ash
Bill Tuthill
http://www.photo.net/photo/nikon/n80
"The N80 offers extremely predictable autofocus right down to
extremely low light levels. This was a refreshing change from
the Canon Elan 7 that I'd been using for 20 or so rolls previously...
In light levels where the Elan 7 was hunting and giving up, even with
a 50/1.4 lens mounted, the N80 [with 24-120/3.5-5.6] was unfazed...
The published specs on the N80 and Elan 7 indicate that the Nikon
body is good down to EV -1, two f-stops lower light than the Elan 7's
EV 1. However, the difference in low-light autofocus performance seems
substantially larger than the specs would indicate."
Tony Spadaro <tspa...@ncmaps.rr.com> wrote:
> The Maxxum 5 is not comparable to either camera the poster is asking about.
> It calls for pressing a button to go from shutter speed change to aperture
> change - this slows operations, making it a beginner/casual user camera like
> the Rebel or the N65. Having a few extraneous features does not make up for
> the basic slowness of the interface.
It's not advisable to use shutter priority on modern cameras, because then
you lose stepless shutter speeds and the more-accurate exposure they bring.
The Maxxum/Dynax 5 has program-shift mode, either aperture (clockwise) or
shutter (counterclockwise) selectable.
I like the Nikon 80 quite a bit, especially the optional grid lines in the
viewfinder. However I like the Minolta 5 better than the Elan 7e / EOS 33.
Main drawbacks are lack of mirror lockup and rear-curtain flash.
Nick Fiduccia
Bill Tuthill wrote:
> It's not advisable to use shutter priority on modern cameras, because then
> you lose stepless shutter speeds and the more-accurate exposure they bring.
>
Bill, the aperture is "stepless" in shutter priority. -Nick
Bill Tuthill
Thanks, Nick.
Is this true of all modern SLR bodies, or only the Nikon N80 and
similar semi-high-end models?
Tony Spadaro
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Try both of them out and see the ergonomics of the cameras.
Then, think about the lenses and other accessories (flash, .. etc) that you
may need, and see where both systems would take you in terms of price.
Then, if the one you like more is more expensive, think if the difference in
ergonomics justifies the difference in price.If what you like is a bit
cheaper, ... then there you go.
I would guess that, comparing apples to apples, the two systems (camera body
+ lenses + flash) should pretty much fall in the same general price range.
Also, you may want to think about something else: if you'll want to get a
better camera body three years from now, you will want to be able to keep
your existing lens and accessories. So take a look at the upgrade path.
What's the next system up ? It would be F90 or F100 for Nikon. EOS 3 maybe
for Canon. Which of those two you'd like better ?
I had a F60 and I upgraded to the F80 a month ago.
Boy, am I happy with it. The flash is just a delight to work with !
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$It contains a link to the Canon. The N80 has significantly better
$autofocusing and metering, the Canon has a faster winder and mirror
$lockup. Pick your poison.
The other thing to consider is that you won't just be using the
body - you'll need at least one lens, and you may wish to have more
lenses and maybe a flash unit. Once you've bought the body, you've
bought into the system.
Being a Canon guy, I'm of course going to point out that while Nikon's
image stabilized lens selection can be counted with one finger, Canon's
selection takes two hands :-) and that while Nikon only puts ultrasonic
(Silent Wave) motors into some of their most expensive pro lenses,
Canon not only puts ultrasonic motors into almost all of their pro lenses
but into many of their consumer lenses, as well.
But I'm sure the Nikon folks could point out areas in which Nikon's
system has stuff that Canon's doesn't. For example, Nikon has some
flash metering technology that's more advanced than anything Canon
has to offer.
The point is that you should look at more than just the body
when deciding on your new SLR.
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$Nick Fiduccia <nfid...@earthlink.net> wrote:
[someone wrote:]
$>> It's not advisable to use shutter priority on modern cameras, because then
$>> you lose stepless shutter speeds and the more-accurate exposure they bring.
$>
$> Bill, the aperture is "stepless" in shutter priority. -Nick
$
$Is this true of all modern SLR bodies, or only the Nikon N80 and
$similar semi-high-end models?
All Canon EOS bodies, AFAIK, have semi-stepless shutter speeds and
apertures. They're not truly stepless - only certain specific
settings are possible - but they have far more than just 1/2- or
1/3-stop settings (working from memory here, so I may be wrong, but
I think it's done in roughly 1/8-stop steps).
In modes where you set one or both of aperture and shutter speed,
the one(s) you set are limited to whatever fractional stops the
camera supports (1/3 or 1/2). But any aperture or shutter speed
set by the camera itself is done to much greater precision. The
values displayed on the LCD and in the viewfinder are rounded off
to the nearest 1/2 or 1/3 stop.
Somewhere on Markerink's site, I believe, there's a link to
someone's experiments that show this. I think there's also a link
to it from http://www.eosdoc.com/
Bill Tuthill
>
> Somewhere on Markerink's site, I believe, there's a link to
> someone's experiments that show this. I think there's also a link
> to it from http://www.eosdoc.com/
Thanks for the info and lead, Stephen.
Here is a good article by Toomas Tamm saying Canon EOS aperture
is not stepless, but is probably as fine as 1/6 stop.
http://www.chem.helsinki.fi/~toomas/photo/experiment-2.html
Here is another article by Toomas Tamm saying EOS shutter speeds
are stepless in Av and presumably P modes.
http://www.chem.helsinki.fi/~toomas/photo/experiment-1.html
So I guess, without knowing much about this, my suspicions were
correct. It's better to use aperture priority than shutter priority
because the camera's metering has finer exposure control that way.
Stephen M. Dunn
$Here is a good article by Toomas Tamm saying Canon EOS aperture
$is not stepless, but is probably as fine as 1/6 stop.
[...]
$Here is another article by Toomas Tamm saying EOS shutter speeds
$are stepless in Av and presumably P modes.
[...]
$So I guess, without knowing much about this, my suspicions were
$correct. It's better to use aperture priority than shutter priority
$because the camera's metering has finer exposure control that way.
On the other hand, even if you pick a mode in which the camera
controls exposure in 1/6-stop increments, how much of a difference
is this actually going to make to your final results? Particularly
with negative film, a 1/6-stop change in exposure would be awfully
subtle, if noticeable at all ...