Xray at airport - 400 ASA film
Anupam Routh
II slide films. I shall take the films with my carry on bag. With thanks.
ajacobs2
>
> Greetings! Will the scanners at airport will cause damage to 400 ASA Sensia
> II slide films. I shall take the films with my carry on bag. With thanks.
Place film in large ZIP-LOCK BAG and just before you go through the gate
ask them to hand check. Most will, Then place back in your carry-on...
Joe Smith
check? I am sure that will piss them off.
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Abusaleh Jabir
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> Greetings! Will the scanners at airport will cause damage to 400 ASA Sensia
> II slide films. I shall take the films with my carry on bag. With thanks.
I've carried upto 400 ISO films thru airport x-ray machines many times.
So far no problems at all. But I did ask the people operating the
machines and they said that upto 1600 ISO films could be safely passed
thru the machines.
Abusaleh
Mark Bergman
matter.
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Arnoud Quanjer
If you're traveling in the US you can have your film hand-checked. Most
airports in Europe however don't offer that service. I frequently travel
with 800ISO and I've never had a problem with airport scanners, not even
when the films have gone through those scanners 8 times. Always carry your
film in your handluggage _NEVER_ put them in luggage that you will check-in
because the X-ray machines used for checked-in luggage are far more powerful
than the ones used for handluggage.
Arnoud
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Andy
>What if you are taking a shit load of film, like 40? Will they still hand
>check? I am sure that will piss them off.
That's their job - to get pissed off at people and then instigate the
deep anal crevice search....
Even with 40 films, people must do this all the time. Ziplock bag idea
still holds.
Andy.
ajacobs2
There is a trick ( more like common sense to this at the airports). I
wear a Photog Vest most of the time when I travel, ( great to stash food
and candy in on long boring flights) with my name and company
embroidered on them plus any event badges with a photo, etc. and I use
Pelican Cases. I have these mesh bags that come with LOwePros that fit
in the Pelicans for film. I just pop them out just before the X-ray and
get the eye of the agent.
Now heres the trick: SMILE and SAY PLEASE instead of what you anticipate
doing or say "Could you assist me by hand inspecting my work?". Not all
agents are nasty, people want to be of assistance and will work with you
if you smile and ask nicely.
In twenty years I have not had a problem.
Frickin amazing how well this works.........
ajacobs2
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> It will turn to mush and the x-rays will disengrate you so it doesn't
> matter.
>
The Klingons found that out.......
Joe Smith
that 400 speed film is safe for the carry on scanners, but counting the
stop-overs (connecting flights) I may have to take the film through 5 x-ray
machines before I get home, is that still safe? Also because I'll be in
Europe for 2 months, I would like to send my pics home via currier, incase I
loose my luggage or have it stolen, I won't loose all my pictures. Is there
a courier that will all me to request that the package doesn't go through
the powerful baggage x-ray machines?
"Arnoud Quanjer" <a.quanjer@SPAM_NO_MAMplanet.nl> wrote in message
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Andy
>I am going to Europe, flying into and out of Frankfurt. I now people say
>that 400 speed film is safe for the carry on scanners, but counting the
>stop-overs (connecting flights) I may have to take the film through 5 x-ray
>machines before I get home, is that still safe? Also because I'll be in
>Europe for 2 months, I would like to send my pics home via courier, incase I
>loose my luggage or have it stolen, I won't loose all my pictures. Is there
>a courier that will all me to request that the package doesn't go through
>the powerful baggage x-ray machines?
Consider processing the films in Frankfurt, there must be some decent
labs in Germany - and in many of the other European countries too.
Have dupes made at the same time and send one set only via courier,
bring the other set in your luggage.
Then, you can x-ray them as often as you wish...
Andy.
Aguyathome
I sometimes take 80 to 100 or more rolls of film when I travel for my magazine.
I used to put them in a giant ziplock bag and pass them around the x-ray. On a
recent trip to Reno, both coming and going the x-ray attendant-type people took
forever to inspect the clear bag, with all the film removed from the little
plastic containers. They had to touch each and every roll with their fingers
individually to check for bombs? drugs? nuclear hoof and mouth capsules? Who
knows? Anyway, my publisher, who's been with the company for about twice as
long as I have, handed me a few rolls of Provia 400 that he had run though the
x-ray so that I could turn them in with mine for processing. Well, his film
showed no signs of ghosting or any other ill effects, so I've been sending
mine, camera, bag and all through the x-ray ever since. Hundreds of rolls
later, I have not had a single ruined roll. I still make sure to hand carry the
800 Supra that I use for indoor tech shoots, even though I had to argue with a
guy at the Indianapolis airport who insisted I just let him run it through the
x-ray and that it would not be ruined. Knowing 800 ISO film in a x-ray would be
pushing it, I made him do the hand and visual check thing. I always run Velvia
50 ISO (remember when we called it ASA?), 100 Sensia and Provia, Kodak 100vs
and evs and Provia 400 through the x-rays anymore. I travel to many different
airports all over the US and have not had a problem. Of course international
travel may be different and not knowing, I wouldn't risk it.
JD
Joe Smith
and negative home via courier (don't have a lot of luggage space) and that
might be a little expensive. Processed negatives aren't affected by x-rays,
correct? Also, since I speak only English (a tiny bit of French) it may be
difficult to find good labs that have English speaking employees. Another
problem, how long can you leave a film like supra undeveloped before you get
a serious loss of image quality?
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Susan M. Sanders
aguya...@aol.commitable (Aguyathome) wrote:
> >"ajacobs2" <ajac...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> >> Anupam Routh wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Greetings! Will the scanners at airport will cause damage to 400 ASA
> >Sensia
> >> > II slide films. I shall take the films with my carry on bag. With
> >thanks.
> >>
> >> Place film in large ZIP-LOCK BAG and just before you go through the
> >> gate
> >> ask them to hand check. Most will, Then place back in your carry-on...
So, am I, like, the only person in the world who actually uses one of
those lead pouches? I know the risk is small, but, you know, when you
travel half-way 'round the world and shoot lots of rolls of film, I
think any risk is too big. And I know you can have them hand-checked,
but sometimes that's just not practical, time-wise, and besides it makes
you deal with the sometimes surly checker-people, so I decided that the
safest, easiest solution was just to put 'em in the lead pouch and put
it in my carry-on.
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Andy
<ssan...@umich.edu> wrote:
>So, am I, like, the only person in the world who actually uses one of
>those lead pouches? I know the risk is small, but, you know, when you
>travel half-way 'round the world and shoot lots of rolls of film, I
>think any risk is too big. And I know you can have them hand-checked,
>but sometimes that's just not practical, time-wise, and besides it makes
>you deal with the sometimes surly checker-people, so I decided that the
>safest, easiest solution was just to put 'em in the lead pouch and put
>it in my carry-on.
Modern machines may just start increasing the power until they can see
into the bag. "Auto-exposure" if you will...
Do you ever find the lead bag a little warm with wisps of smoke
afterwards ? (Kidding..)
I think people get too worried about this stuff, especially for films
at or below 400 ASA.
Andy.
Joseph Meehan
Greetings! Will the scanners at airport will cause damage to 400 ASA
Sensia II slide films. I shall take the films with my carry on bag. With
thanks.
Not to worry. I would not put it in the checked luggage as some
airports are now using a new type of x-ray that can damage almost any
film in you luggage, if you hit one of the new machines and if something
near it (maybe someone else's bag) triggers the machine to take a closer
look.
If the gate x-ray equipment looks strange, like a large cave, then
maybe you might want to worry a little about that. I travel a lot and
never worry about it and I have never experienced any problems. I
suspect that many of the people who do worry find exactly what they
expect to find or tend to blame other problems like poor processing or
heat damage on x-rays.
BYW, I would not consider bringing 40 rolls of film with me. First
I like to travel light and I can buy film almost anywhere on earth.
Also, although not much in today's world, some countries have limits of
the amount of film you can bring in.
Yea, there are some reasons for critical use, you might want to
bring a large quality of film with you, but also consider sending it
ahead or buying it in one lump when you get where you are going if you
have a need for the same emulsion number.
--
Dia 's Muire duit
Joe M
Susan M. Sanders
<an...@sparkling.demon.co.-NO-SPAM-.uk> wrote:
> I think people get too worried about this stuff, especially for films
> at or below 400 ASA.
Yeah, but the lead pouch is such an effortless precaution (at least once
you've bought one) that I do it even if it's just for peace of mind.
And it's not as though I wouldn't be putting all of my film in some sort
of pouch anyway, so it might as well be this specialized one. This way,
if I happen upon a malfunctioning machine or something new and more
damaging, I won't have to learn about it the hard way.
Matt Carey
Anupam Routh wrote:
>
> Greetings! Will the scanners at airport will cause damage to 400 ASA Sensia
> II slide films. I shall take the films with my carry on bag. With thanks.
Hello,
I once took a trip where I went through 9 airports before returning
home. Most of these were in developing countries where I didn't trust
the x-ray machines. I was allowed to hand-check my film everywhere
except London. When I insisted, they brought out a manager who told
me (1) there was no way I could get my film through without x-ray and
(2) they had tested 400ASA film going through the x-ray tool >10
times without any effect.
My film has been x-rayed ever since.
Now, I did once have to x-ray my film *leaving* the airport in India...
Matt
Susan M. Sanders
mar...@nospam.com wrote:
> "Lead-lined pouches, available from photo retailers, provide
> protection from x-rays under certain conditions. However, in a typical
> airport surveillance situation, the inspector might hold the pouch in
> the x-ray field in order to penetrate the pouch and identify its
> contents or the baggage may be pulled aside for hand inspection."
<shrug> Neither one has ever happened. The bag just rolls right
through without a pause, and I've never had a hand inspection.
Don Forsling
"Joe Smith" <j...@joe.com> wrote in message
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: What if you are taking a shit load of film, like 40? Will they still
:
Heck, with 400 ASA just have 'em run the film through the carry-on
luggage scanner and quite worrying about it. Unless you do it about
75 times, the scanning won't have the slightest effect on your film.
People worry WAY too much about this. On the other hand, the new
machines used to scan checked baggage are much more powerful and can
indeed screw up your film.
God, can you imagine the hullabaloo if the carry-on scanner actually
affected film? Million of rolls would be ruined each year. Millions
of people would be suing airports, etc., etc., etc. It doesn't
happen. For good reason.
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Don Forsling
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http://www.woi.org
Powellfw
They had their machines checked by Kodak. He told me the Kodak reps put the
same roll of film through xray machine 40 times with no problems. He also said
their bagage xray would not damage film but said the baggage xrays used in the
USA woulld damage film because we set it too high.
Tony Parkinson
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That's absolute cobblers !! I once put a roll of Sensia 100 in a
suitcase going through a Heathrow baggage scanner to see what
happened. It COOKED !!
Then again, these security guys aren't chosen for their brains, so he
probably just believed "the company line"
--
'Cause there's a lighthouse, in the harbour
Shining faithfully
Pouring its light out, across the water
For this sinking soul to see
That someone out there still believes in me
Don Forsling
"Marcio Watanabe" <mar...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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: "Susan M. Sanders" <ssan...@umich.edu> wrote:
:
: >Yeah, but the lead pouch is such an effortless precaution (at least
once
: >you've bought one) that I do it even if it's just for peace of
mind.
:
: Since this will only cause the inspector to increase x-ray exposure
: until he can see what's inside the pouch, your effortless precaution
: is equal to or worse than no precaution at all. Considering how
heavy
: those lead pouches are, I don't think they qualify as "effortless".
:
: http://www.kodak.com/cluster/global/en/service/faqs/faq0014.shtml
: "Lead-lined pouches, available from photo retailers, provide
: protection from x-rays under certain conditions. However, in a
typical
: airport surveillance situation, the inspector might hold the pouch
in
: the x-ray field in order to penetrate the pouch and identify its
: contents or the baggage may be pulled aside for hand inspection."
Folks, there's no a chance in hell that carry-on film of 400 ASA will
be damaged by airport security-check scanners. So, if you don't plan
to run the film through the machine 40 or 50 times, just forget about
it. There _is_ no problem, at least in the U.S. Checked baggage is a
different matter entirely.
:
:
Joseph Meehan
I just had a long discussion with the security people at Heathrow about
film.
Having gone through that air port a few times, I can tell you they
take security very serious. You are not likely to talk them into or out
of anything.
Joseph Meehan
That's absolute cobblers !! I once put a roll of Sensia 100 in a
suitcase going through a Heathrow baggage scanner to see what happened.
It COOKED !!
Was that checked luggage or carry on. If carry on, then I would bet
something else got your film.
Kennedy McEwen
Sanders <ssan...@umich.edu> wrote
>
>So, am I, like, the only person in the world who actually uses one of
>those lead pouches?
Probably not, but they are actually worse than not using anything!
You have two layers of lead to see through, but only one protecting the
film and the machine winds the x-rays up to let the operator see what is
in the bag. That means that whatever is in the bag gets at least twice
the doze that it would have had if the machine had just been using its
default setting.
Few X-ray machines will damage anything less than 1600ASA film on a
normal setting these days - you are more likely to get fogged film from
flying at 40,000ft for 8hrs than from the average airport hand luggage
machine. X-Ray protection bags might be useful for protecting your film
from the increased X-rays during the flight, but they are a positive
hazard at inspections.
The problem comes when you have a trip that involves multiple flights.
I recently went on a month long tour which involved over 25 different
flights - each with a trip through the X-ray machine. I asked for, and
got, film hand check at all embarkations except one - when I was too
tired to bother! And that included Heathrow, which has a bad reputation
for insisting film gets X-rayed. Just ask politely and explain your
situation.
--
Kennedy
I was uncooled before uncooled was cool.
Joseph Meehan
So, am I, like, the only person in the world who actually uses one of
those lead pouches?
If the little lead bags worked, the machines and workers would not
be able to see what is inside. Guess what, if that worked the bad guys
would use little lead bags. The machines and workers know that and if
they can't see what is inside one of two things will happen. They will
try again (at higher power in some machines) or they will pull your
luggage off and manually search it.
Joe
down to part per million by taking a few Qtipswipe at your bag. they do not
have to examine every one of them. but again, if the airport is small, they
do not have them
Jim McGee
topics in this thread in detail. You can find it at
http://www.vividlight.com/articles/102.htm
The best advice is what one person already posted - be nice. I've found
that it really does go a long way.
Jim McGee
Managing Editor
Vivid Light Photography
mc...@remove-to-send-vividlight.com
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Andrew J. Uhr
it passes thru the greater the possible impact.
Take the film out of the boxes and out of the canisters and place in
zip lock bags about 20 -25 rolls per baggy. Ask for hand inspection.
Secuirty people have expressed appreciation for making the film easy
to inspect and I have had no problems either in the US or overseas.
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 04:12:58 GMT, "Anupam Routh"
<rou...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Greetings! Will the scanners at airport will cause damage to 400 ASA Sensia
>II slide films. I shall take the films with my carry on bag. With thanks.
>
>
Andrew J. Uhr
Arlington, VA