*** N90s how to keep Leader Out???
Toahfaye
I want to be able to keep the leader out on a N90s. How can it be done? where
can I get it done?
Stephen S M Wong
In article <199805150138...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
Toahfaye <toah...@aol.com> wrote:
>I want to be able to keep the leader out on a N90s. How can it be done? where
>can I get it done?
Take your N90s to a Nikon Service Center and request a mod to let the
film rewind to leave the leader out. Or, buy a film leader grabber,
usually, less than US$10 a piece.
My 2 cents.
Stephen Wong.
Bill
Toahfaye wrote:
>
> I want to be able to keep the leader out on a N90s. How can it be done? where
> can I get it done?
>
Sorry, it can't be done as the camera comes from the factory; one of
several reasons I only kept mine for a week before turning it back in
for a Canon A2E!
--
Bill Rainey
wra...@HiWAAY.net
http://fly.hiwaay.net/~wrainey/
steve
I had my N-90s modified at a NPPA flying short course to have the leader out
for free. I've also heard that you can do this modification with the new
photo secretary software.
Steve
Christian Fiess
Hi,
Toahfaye <toah...@aol.com> wrote:
>I want to be able to keep the leader out on a N90s. How can it be done? where
>can I get it done?
I don't need to have the leader out for every roll of film. For not to
make the mistake and expose a film twice, I do the following: (It works
good for me, but I do it at own risk!)
Slowly unscrew the screw for the battary mount while the camera is on. You
will recognize that the camera shuts off before the batteries fall out.
Stop unscewing. By pressing on the screw, the camera comes back to live
again. After you practiced this a couple of times, use this to rewind the
film and release the screw when you hear the film getting off the roll...
Unfortunately the camera is then in a sort of an undefined status. Take
out the roll and just let the camera rewind without a roll in it.
Everything should be fine.
... Feel free to disagree.
Chris
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Alex/Alek
You must ask your Nikon assistence center to program this function
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Toahfaye wrote in message
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Edwin Leong
The reprogramming of the F90x to leave the film leader out results in a
very useful feature. After the camera has been reprogrammed, you press the
two rewind buttons as you normally would. This will result in a three inch
film leader being left out for you to use at another time. But, if you are
at the end of a normal roll and you don't want to confuse this roll with
new rolls of film, simply press the two rewind buttons again and the film
leader is rewound completely into the film canister.
Have the reprogramming done at a Nikon Service Center. Takes about 10
seconds and in Canada, they will do it for FREE. I only wish my F70 had the
same feature (will leave the film leader out but will not rewind the film
leader in if I press the rewind buttons again.)
Stephen S M Wong <smw...@cs.cuhk.hk> wrote in article
<6jgk3d$r...@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.edu.hk>...
> In article <199805150138...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> Toahfaye <toah...@aol.com> wrote:
> >I want to be able to keep the leader out on a N90s. How can it be done?
where
> >can I get it done?
>
Alex/Alek
You don't need to do this. If the function is programmed on F/N 90 when the
film is rewinded the leader out if you push again the two rewinding buttons
again the leader is rewinded inside. I use this function abtually.
bye
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na...@ibm.net
toah...@aol.com (Toahfaye) writes:
>I want to be able to keep the leader out on a N90s. How can it be done? where
>can I get it done?
I do NOT recommend you try. You may break your shutter blades. That's
precisely why Nikon does NOT want you to keep the leader out.
Buy a film leader picker. US$2.00 or so. Cheper than completely destroyed
shutter units.
Naoki
Edwin Leong
I doubt that Nikon is so dogmatic about wanting to keep the film leader in.
It is not difficult or dangerous to remove a film cartridge out with a film
leader out. Nikon Service Centre can reprogram the F90x/N90s to leave the
leader out in about 10 seconds and in Canada, it is done for free. The
F90x/N90s also has the added feature of allowing you to completely rewind
the leader in wind with another pressing of the two rewind buttons. This
allows you to leave the leader out only when you require it rather then
always having the leader out after rewind.
Yes, a film leader picker is a valid way to do it but if a Nikon Service
Centre is near by, by all means go out and do it. But I understand US
centres charge $20 for the service.
na...@ibm.net wrote in article <35624...@news1.ibm.net>...
Jeffrey Karp
>
>
> na...@ibm.net wrote in article <35624...@news1.ibm.net>...
> > toah...@aol.com (Toahfaye) writes:
> > >I want to be able to keep the leader out on a N90s. How can it be done?
> where
> > >can I get it done?
> >
Why do you want to do this? Are you changing film mid roll? It seemsto be a bad
idea, as you could accidently double expose a roll, or
have a blank roll developed. I always rewind completely(never leaving
a leader) and have never accidently confused an exposed roll of
film for a fresh one(or vice versa).
nuclear...@usaremove_this.net
>> > >I want to be able to keep the leader out on a N90s. How can it be
done?
>> where
>> > >can I get it done?
>> >
>Why do you want to do this? Are you changing film mid roll? It seemsto be a
bad
>idea, as you could accidently double expose a roll, or
I can think of many reasons why I would do this ( and I do this all the
time ).
Perhaps I want to use a faster/slower film. Perhaps I want to switch to
chromes from print film, or vice versa. Perhaps I want to change from
color film to black and white, or even infra red. The alternative would be
to
have multiple bodies, one for each film type. But then you'll need 5 bodies
or more !
Yes, if you're careless, you could goof up. But there should be no problems
if you are a little organised.
JH
One of the reasons is to facilitate reel loading for home development. To
avoid accidental double exposure, all you have to do is fold the tip after
rewinding.
JH
Jeffrey Karp wrote in message <356289CD...@erols.com>...
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>
>>
>>
>> na...@ibm.net wrote in article <35624...@news1.ibm.net>...
>> > toah...@aol.com (Toahfaye) writes:
>> > >I want to be able to keep the leader out on a N90s. How can it be
done?
>> where
>> > >can I get it done?
>> >
>
>Why do you want to do this? Are you changing film mid roll? It seemsto be a
bad
>idea, as you could accidently double expose a roll, or
Jorge Daniel Taillant
Your Nikon dealer will solve your leader dilema, but for a price.
You can/should take advantage of this service by also telling
them to program your N90 to shoot frames "00" and "0", while
they are at it.
Alternatively,
A much cheaper way is to take the leader back out yourself!
You can do this with an inexpensive leader puller available
through some camera shops for under $10, or simply do what I do,
use a POST IT (one of these yellow sticker pads). Fold up the
sticker paper, leaving a narrow 1cm strip of paper with
one side sticky. Slip the paper (Sticky side facing outwards
into the film tank as far as it will go without loosing it
(hold on to the end!) Next unwind the film as much as possible
(this pushes the film up against the sticky portion of the tape.)
next, pull the paper out of the film tank. If you've done this
properly, the leader will come out with the paper! If not, try again.
Daniel
jdtai...@worldbank.org
In article <6jh2dj$g...@everest.vol.it>, "Alex/Alek" <ale...@tin.it> says:
>
>You must ask your Nikon assistence center to program this function
>
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>Alex/Alek
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>I always asked me why there are no safety belts on the Enterprise.
>Leonard Nimoy
na...@ibm.net
You may be absolutely right and I might have been wrong about N90 (or F90
in Europe).
The reason for my early response to the thread was the fact that Nikon Japan
does not RECOMMEND to keep leader out for Nikon F4.
The reasoning of Nikon Japan is that if the user forgets he / she has already
rewound the film, and release the shutter, there is a possibility that the leader
may be between the shutter blades. If this happens, the shutter blades of
F4 can completely be destroyed.
But, I believe that was STRONG, but recommendation of Nikon Japan.
I am not sure what other Nikon subsidiaries do. They may trust individual
user more than Nikon Japan does.
Naoki
Edwin Leong
I think the fact that Nikon designed the F90x and the newer F70 to be able
to leave the leader out indicates that they have faith in the photographer
to be able to handle the film while not damaging the shutter blades. It
could also have to do with consumer demand for such a feature to be
available. Given the minimal number of postings warning of such or
declaring that such damage has occurred, that it is not very common at all.
na...@ibm.net wrote in article <35650...@news1.ibm.net>...
na...@ibm.net
Very good points.
I guess Nikon might have been worried too much in the past as they experienced
diaster of shutter entire blades crashes of Nikon FM2 (old). The disastrous design
of the shutter unit was completely changed in Nikon FM2 New.
Plus Nikon engineers say that since many professional camera people
complained very strongly about how fragile the shutter blades of Nikon F4,
they made the shutter of F5 very strong. So, F, F2, F3, F4 and F5 may have
higher criteria for durability concerns, too as expected users may be more
demanding for the strengths.
BILWIL
FWIW, I bought a Nikon 8008s used that
already had this feature. Don't know if it came
from the factory this way, or previous owner had it done. It has a
little label in the film
compartment that says "Leader out". Never
thought about the film end getting caught in
the shutter! Will have to check that right
away.
This feature is one of the reasons that I
purchased this particular body. I do some-
times change film in mid-roll. I always
carry a "Sharpie" pen to mark the frame
number on the film cannister. If the roll
has been completely exposed, I rewind the
film all the way into the cannister by hand,
so I cannot re-use it. A little more time
consuming perhaps, but I think worth it.
A small feature worth considering.
Bill Wilson
KE6LVS
Sim...@my-dejanews.com
You said the newer f70s are able to leave the leader out, do you know how
new? I have nver been able to find this feature on mine and have had to
guess when I needed it.
iris
In article <01bd85ff$6e064020$a6ad...@eleong.intergate.bc.ca>,
"Edwin Leong" <ele...@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:
>
> I think the fact that Nikon designed the F90x and the newer F70 to be able
> to leave the leader out indicates that they have faith in the photographer
> to be able to handle the film while not damaging the shutter blades. It
> could also have to do with consumer demand for such a feature to be
> available. Given the minimal number of postings warning of such or
> declaring that such damage has occurred, that it is not very common at all.
>
> na...@ibm.net wrote in article <35650...@news1.ibm.net>...
> > You may be absolutely right and I might have been wrong about N90 (or F90
> > in Europe).
> >
> > The reason for my early response to the thread was the fact that Nikon
> Japan
> > does not RECOMMEND to keep leader out for Nikon F4.
> >
> > The reasoning of Nikon Japan is that if the user forgets he / she has
> already
> > rewound the film, and release the shutter, there is a possibility that
> the leader
> > may be between the shutter blades. If this happens, the shutter blades of
> > F4 can completely be destroyed.
> >
> > But, I believe that was STRONG, but recommendation of Nikon Japan.
> >
> > I am not sure what other Nikon subsidiaries do. They may trust individual
> > user more than Nikon Japan does.
> >
> > Naoki
> >
> >
> > "Edwin Leong" <ele...@intergate.bc.ca> writes:
> > >I doubt that Nikon is so dogmatic about wanting to keep the film leader
> in.
> > >It is not difficult or dangerous to remove a film cartridge out with a
> film
> > >leader out.
> >
>
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HROB55
the answer is simple, switch to canon and its custom functions will leave the
leader out with no problem!!!!!!
William T. Lowe
HROB55 wrote:
>
> the answer is simple, switch to canon and its custom functions will leave the
> leader out with no problem!!!!!!
Oh, the perfect advice for any situation. Dump that $900-1000 piece of
junk and all those lenses, you'll be happier in the long run because you
can keep the leader out. Have any more wonderful advice? Like maybe a
prefrontal lobotomy to cure a migrane?
RBerch0014
It's quite easy. Prior to rewinding, back out screw on battery compartment.
Then push battery holder in and hold. Start rewind process. When counter gets
down to 1, release battery holder and everything stops.
Ray
Scott E. Hruska
If you don't mind spending an additional $140 or so, depending on the
source, the Nikon Photo Secretary will let you program quite a few of
the camera's functions. Leader being one. If you have the MB-26, the NPS
will let you do some neat things with it as well. I bought the NPS
because it let's me download all of my shooting information. Makes
archving a snap.
Louis H. Richard Jr.
Scott E. Hruska wrote:
<snip>
the Nikon Photo Secretary will let you program quite a few of
the camera's functions. Leader being one.
I have been told that the "leader out" must be done by a service
facility. Have you actually used Photo Secretary to do this?
Lou
Bob Juge
lric...@gnt.net wrote in a message to All:
According to Nikon, Photo Secretary is *not* capable of doing this. It must be
done by a Nikon service facility.
- Bob
Internet : b...@juge.com
Telnet, Vmodem, WWW or FTP to juge.com
Scott E. Hruska
I stand corrected. I reread the Magic Lantern guide and it does
specifically state that a Nikon Service repair facility must set this
option. I also re-verified with Nikon US.
Sorry for the misinformation...
Scott
Edwin Leong
The Photo Secretary cannot be used to reprogram the film leader to be left
out with the F90x. The camera must be brought into an authorized service
centre for the reprogramming.
Louis H. Richard Jr. <lric...@gnt.net> wrote in article
<356D59...@gnt.net>...
> Scott E. Hruska wrote:
> <snip>
> the Nikon Photo Secretary will let you program quite a few of
> the camera's functions. Leader being one.
> <snip>
>
> I have been told that the "leader out" must be done by a service
> facility. Have you actually used Photo Secretary to do this?
>
> Lou
>
MSchaf7081
I use the following procedure on my N70 and think it would
work for the N90. I start slow rewind sequence and watch
the film counter. When I see the counter hit "1" I wait half
second (slightly subjective) and manually pop the door
open. This causes the rewind to stop and the leader is still
out.
It also forces a film rewind error with the programming but this is
easily set per the manual. Have been doing this for a year
now. Maybe not the most scientific way but it is an effective
cheap solution
nuclear...@usaremove_this.net
MSchaf7081 wrote in message
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>I use the following procedure on my N70 and think it would
>work for the N90. I start slow rewind sequence and watch
>the film counter. When I see the counter hit "1" I wait half
>second (slightly subjective) and manually pop the door
>open. This causes the rewind to stop and the leader is still
>out.
This is the way I do it too on my P&S. With practice, it's
quite safe (I only screwed up once). But I very much prefer
the way my EOS 5 handles it : automatic, safe, foolproof and
worry-free.
Bobcoffey
I called Nikon US with the same question and was told that the process must be
done by Nikon, that it was called "Leeder Modification" (their spelling, not
mine), that it would be a fast turn around (next day, she said) and would cost
$10 plus S & H. I haven't tried it yet but a colleague in our camera club has
done son and says that it works well. Hope this helps.
Edwin Leong
I brought my F90x into Nikon Canada's office in Richmond, B.C. and had it
done in less then 10 seconds and free of charge. Great service!
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