PENTAX K1000
Grr97
Hey Guys,
I'm new at this newsgroup.. actually I'm new at photography too. And
anyway I'm thinking of getting a Pentax K1000 as my first (real) camera..
What do you think? Is it a good choice?
-Grr97
ISUZU4ZD1
Great choice!
But HURRY if You want a new one... it has been discontinued.
Dennis D. Carter
Yes, it is a good camera which has been around for years, but I've read
rumors in this and other groups that Pentax is going to discontinue
producing and supporting the K1000.
I used a Pentax ME Super for years. Pentax no longer supports that camera,
which I find disappointing.
My advise is that if you can, you should get one of the newer models. They
tend to have auto-focus, a wider range of shutter speeds, and more options
(e.g., manual, aperature/shutter priority, program modes, etc.).
Trying to manually focus on a moving object (like my dog) can be a pain.
Dennis
Grr97 <gr...@aol.com> wrote in article
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TT Rick TT
I have used my k-1000 for over 15 years ! For the price you cant go wrong.
Justin Mills
I really love my K1000. My dad made sure that my brothers and I each got
one for our birthday (at about 13), and we all have loved them. I'm still
using mine (6 years later) for shooting for my college newspaper, and it
taught me a lot about how photography works. It's inexpensive to get nice
lenses for (stock Pentax lenses run under $200 for most used MF lengths), and
the darn things are just about indestructable (if you get a slightly older
one, they're better).
The only thing is that if you are (as I am currently) looking to upgrade to a
significantly superior, professional level system, the Pentax 35mm line is
lacking quite depressingly. That's one argument for a Nikon FM2, but I'd
still go for the Pentax. It hurts a lot less when your $100 K1000 is run over
than when your $250 FM2 is! <g>
Justin
R.Brent Decker
TT Rick TT wrote:
>
> I have used my k-1000 for over 15 years ! For the price you cant go wrong.
RBD
David Viles
Walton
Grr97 <gr...@aol.com> wrote in article
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: Hey Guys,
:
: I'm new at this newsgroup.. actually I'm new at photography too.
And
: anyway I'm thinking of getting a Pentax K1000 as my first (real)
camera..
: What do you think? Is it a good choice?
:
: -Grr97
:
The K1000 is an outdated piece of crap with an innacurate
shutter and metering system. If that's all you can afford then go
for it. It's better than nothing.
Ron Walton
Grr97
well
i've bought my camera
and i love it
so (*@!#*(@!
=p
baldy...@mindspring.com
> The K1000 is an outdated piece of crap
Completely wrong. It's a sturdy, well made camera of older design.
> with an innacurate shutter and metering system.
Completely wrong. I seen a great many VERY high quality photos made
with this camera.
>If that's all you can afford then go for it. It's better than nothing.
>Ron Walton
If you want to impress Ron, buy something with bells and whistles. He
can look at a magazine photo and determine what body was used to make
the shot.
If you want a good camera for not a lot of money, go for the K1000
Dave
JSPRINE
In article <5mrvfd$1...@camel3.mindspring.com>, baldy...@mindspring.com
writes:
>Completely wrong. I seen a great many VERY high quality photos made
>with this camera.
>
>>If that's all you can afford then go for it. It's better than nothing.
>>Ron Walton
>
>If you want to impress Ron, buy something with bells and whistles. He
>can look at a magazine photo and determine what body was used to make
>the shot.
>If you want a good camera for not a lot of money, go for the K1000
The New Orleans Police Department's Crime Scene Investigation unit
utilizes Pentax K1000 cameras exclusively. They work...
jsp...@aol.com
David Viles
The Pentax K1000 is an excellent camera with all the features you could
want in a fully manual camera. I love mine and wouldn't get rid of it for
the world. It is VERY rugged and will use ANY lens made by Pentax, even
the autofocus power zoom lenses. You couldn't do any better, but you
should check it out for yourself. Everybody prefers their own feel.
Walton <ro...@kiva.net> wrote in article
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>
>
> Grr97 <gr...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <19970526045...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> : Hey Guys,
> :
> : I'm new at this newsgroup.. actually I'm new at photography too.
> And
> : anyway I'm thinking of getting a Pentax K1000 as my first (real)
> camera..
> : What do you think? Is it a good choice?
> :
> : -Grr97
> :
> The K1000 is an outdated piece of crap with an innacurate
> shutter and metering system. If that's all you can afford then go
Ken Bulley
Bells and whistles are often a sign of incompetence.
I would much rather pay +/- $200 for a fully manual dependable camera
which *forces* you to know what you're doing than two or three (or more)
times as much for a glorified point & shoot.
To each his/her own, I guess.
--
Ken Bulley
Erindale College
University of Toronto
e01k...@mail.erin.utoronto.ca
Cyberad
In article <01bc6e1d$d03b85c0$7e45...@tima.com>, "Walton" <ro...@kiva.net>
wrote:
> Grr97 <gr...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <19970526045...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> : Hey Guys,
> :
> : I'm new at this newsgroup.. actually I'm new at photography too.
> And
> : anyway I'm thinking of getting a Pentax K1000 as my first (real)
> camera..
> : What do you think? Is it a good choice?
> :
> : -Grr97
> :
> The K1000 is an outdated piece of crap with an innacurate
> shutter and metering system. If that's all you can afford then go
> for it. It's better than nothing.
>
> Ron Walton
And your views are outdated pieces of crap.
I started with a K1000, and I know of several people who have. I've
tested the shutters, and they have been accurate; although they are also
prone to the problems that _all_ mechanical shutters may be prone to. As
for the metering system, there is nothing wrong with it. If you've had
problems, I'd have to say that you're system is in error, not the cameras.
As an added bonus, the K1000 forces you to learn proper exposure, shutter
speed and aperature combinations, etc. Skills that some people would
never learn if using a newer automated camera.
-p
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ChuckSchuh
Yo, Ron, That was a pretty harsh assessment of the Pentax K1000.
Walton
baldy...@mindspring.com wrote in article
<5mrvfd$1...@camel3.mindspring.com>...
: > The K1000 is an outdated piece of crap
:
: Completely wrong. It's a sturdy, well made camera of older design.
No one said it wasen't sturdy, but well made may be pushing it just a
little.
:
: > with an innacurate shutter and metering system.
:
: Completely wrong. I seen a great many VERY high quality photos made
: with this camera.
I've seen and made many excellent pics when I was using Pentax
cameras about 25 years ago. If you have an older mechanical shutter
camera and think the meter is dead balls on perfect and the shutter
is better than fairly accurate, then your deluding yourself. Or you
arn't shooting slide film. Even the vaunted Nikon mechanical
shutters arn't even close to an average electronic shutter.
:
: >If that's all you can afford then go for it. It's better than
nothing.
: >Ron Walton
:
: If you want to impress Ron, buy something with bells and whistles.
He
: can look at a magazine photo and determine what body was used to
make
: the shot.
: If you want a good camera for not a lot of money, go for the K1000
:
: Dave
Hey, I'm not out here to impress anyone. The K1000 is a poor
working camera. You K1000 users are so defensive. The question was
asked, that's my opinion. This opinion was formed in 1977 when I
changed to Canon A series cameras. Many Pentax cameras that were
introduced after the K1000 were a much choice. Get a ME Super or a
Super Program and use the K1000 as a back up.
Ron Walton
Ron Walton
:
:
Walton
Ken Bulley <e01k...@mail.erin.utoronto.ca> wrote in article
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: Bells and whistles are often a sign of incompetence.
A statement like this is redickless. If you don't think power
wind, AEB, simple to use ME, the choice of different metering modes,
knowing what shutter and aperture are set or the flash is charged
when looking through the viewfinder, changing shutter and aperture
settings with the twitch of a finger, plus many other features arn't
conductive to better photography, then you'r simply not open minded
enough.
Also, I've borrowed a K1000 from a friend and I'll put it
through my normal camera tests. It's not a new body, but by what the
owner can tell me, there hasn't been more than 100 24 exp rolls of
film put through it. It was purchased new from K-Mart. Just
checking out the meter I see readings that are more than 3/4 stop
off.
: I would much rather pay +/- $200 for a fully manual dependable
camera
: which *forces* you to know what you're doing
than two or three (or more)
: times as much for a glorified point & shoot.
There you go. That's what you like. The question was about a
K1000. If that's what you want, then use it. The question was what
you thought about the K1000. I gave my opinion. If you arn't open
to the opinion of other's, then that's too bad. You'r stuck in a
rut.
:
: To each his/her own, I guess.
You've got that right.
Ron Walton
:
:
:
:
: --
:
Bozhidar Dimitrov
Walton (ro...@kiva.net) wrote:
: >changed to Canon A series cameras. Many Pentax cameras that were
: >introduced after the K1000 were a much choice. Get a ME Super or a
: >Super Program and use the K1000 as a back up.
: >Ron Walton
I'll agree with this. I chose a SuperProgram over the K1000. I love the
SuperProgram, and it's dead perfect, but two things drive me nuts: no
exposure lock and unless you play with the ISO setting, you can only
influence the metering in full stops. That's why I shoot print film in it.
And the lack of exposure lock stops me fom buying the ZX-5. Not very
difficult or expensive to do, so Pentax get with it.
Boz
Walton
Cyberad <c...@NOSPAMinterlog.com> wrote in article
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: In article <01bc6e1d$d03b85c0$7e45...@tima.com>, "Walton"
<ro...@kiva.net>
: wrote:
:
: > Grr97 <gr...@aol.com> wrote in article
: > <19970526045...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
: > : Hey Guys,
: > :
: > : I'm new at this newsgroup.. actually I'm new at photography
too.
: > And
: > : anyway I'm thinking of getting a Pentax K1000 as my first
(real)
: > camera..
: > : What do you think? Is it a good choice?
: > :
: > : -Grr97
: > :
: > The K1000 is an outdated piece of crap with an innacurate
: > shutter and metering system. If that's all you can afford then
go
: > for it. It's better than nothing.
: >
: > Ron Walton
:
: And your views are outdated pieces of crap.
My view may be dated, but not outdated. As a former Pentax
Spotmatic F user my opinion is founded on the use of different
cameras over the past 31 years. It should take anyone of even less
than average intelligence just an hour or two using an EOS camera
after using something like the K1000 to realize the K1000 probably
isn't the better choice.
:
: I started with a K1000, and I know of several people who have.
I started with a meterless Pentax bought in 1965 or 1966, then
a Fujica ST-701, Spotmatic, Spotmatic F (much better than the old
Spotmatic) which the K1000 is very similar to. After that I used
Canon A series cameras for several years. The AE-1 is a much better
camera than the Spotmatic F. When AF came out I told myself "who
needs it", but after getting an AF I'll never go back.
I've
: tested the shutters, and they have been accurate; although they are
also
: prone to the problems that _all_ mechanical shutters may be prone
to. As
: for the metering system, there is nothing wrong with it. If you've
had
: problems, I'd have to say that you're system is in error, not the
cameras.
Could be, but I had a pair of Spotmatic bodies that metered the same,
and the later pair of SP F bodies seemed to agree with the older SP
meters. Four out of four.
:
: As an added bonus, the K1000 forces you to learn proper exposure,
shutter
: speed and aperature combinations, etc. Skills that some people
would
: never learn if using a newer automated camera.
Another statement that may be true, but I doubt that it is. You
only learn as much as you want, or need to. If you want to know what
your camera is doing and why, you will learn. Learning about
apertures and shutter speeds takes about 1/2 an hour. Learning what
these actually do takes much longer, whether on a manual camera, or
an AF camera. The Minolta 300si being one exception, I always
recommend a modern camera to anyone that asks me.
Ron Walton
:
: -p
:
GQR
Walton wrote:
>
> Cyberad <c...@NOSPAMinterlog.com> wrote in article
> <cr-030697...@ip203-160.cc.interlog.com>...
> : In article <01bc6e1d$d03b85c0$7e45...@tima.com>, "Walton"
> <ro...@kiva.net>
> : wrote:
> :
> : > Grr97 <gr...@aol.com> wrote in article
> : > <19970526045...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> : > : Hey Guys,
> : > :
> : > : I'm new at this newsgroup.. actually I'm new at photography
> too.
> : > And
> : > : anyway I'm thinking of getting a Pentax K1000 as my first
> (real)
> : > camera..
> : > : What do you think? Is it a good choice?
> : > :
> : > : -Grr97
> : > :
> : >
I have used the Pentax K1000 and as a very basic camera you can produce
quality shots. It is good for doing astronomy type shoots as you can use
it without a battery. Also, any lens you purchase to use with it you can
use on the newer Pentax AF cameras should you later decide you want to
upgrade. I would not buy a new K1000 as I think they are too expensive.
If you have your heart set on a K1000 look around for a good used one.
There are plenty of them on the market. You can learn alot about
photography using a K1000 but as others have pointed out, you can learn
much with an AF camera too. A camera is just a tool. And there are many
tools out there to get the job done with. Start with what you feel
comfortable and can afford. Many fine photos have been taken with just a
Pentax K1000 and a 50mm lens.
Happy shooting!
GQR
Charles Tse
David Viles wrote:
>
> The Pentax K1000 is an excellent camera with all the features you could
> want in a fully manual camera. I love mine and wouldn't get rid of it for
It doesn't have spot metering like most other manual SLR.
Very bad if you can't find a middle grey area big enough
for accurate metering.
---Charles
Walton
Charles Tse <t...@muhthr.hlo.dec.com> wrote in article
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:
The K1000 dosn't accept a motor drive or power winder, and it
doesn't have a self timer. The K1000 that I borrowed has a very dim
viewfinder and the central microprism is almost invisible. The meter
is very slow. I don't know, but I believe that the K1000 uses a cds
meter cell. I'm sure someone will tell me if I'm wrong. The Silicon
blue cell in the Fujica ST-701 reacted much faster.
Ron Walton
BandHPhoto
<Yes, it is a good camera which has been around for years, but I've read
rumors in this and other groups that Pentax is going to discontinue
producing and supporting the K1000.>
Pentax _is_ discontinuing the K1000, which is why we bought ALL their
remaining stock, and have quite a supply :-)
===============================
regards,
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http://www.bhphotovideo.com
David Viles
Although I still love my K1000, I do have to agree with that last post.
Maybe if it would have accepted such things as power winders and
motordrives or if it had a self timer or even an AE mode then it would have
been a much better camera. Maybe it would have kept me from buying one of
there newer camera's??? I can recommend the Pentax P30T for about the same
price though. It has everything that the K1000 has plus AE, power winder,
and self timer. The only drawback that I can see is that it only takes DX
coded film. I think you have to use a DX coded cassette or it will default
to ASA100.
Walton <ro...@kiva.net> wrote in article
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FirstEgg
In article <01bc76ad$b0766460$1d1b0ed0@davidvil>, "David Viles"
<dvi...@flinet.com> writes:
>I can recommend the Pentax P30T for about the same
>price though. It has everything that the K1000 has plus AE, power
winder,
>and self timer. The only drawback that I can see is that it only takes
DX
>coded film. I think you have to use a DX coded cassette or it will
default
>to ASA100.
correct, except the part about the winder! I will eventually add a P30T
to my
arsenal!
Tom D
Peggy Lacy
I don't remember the P30t having a power winder...
Regards,
Peggy Lacy
David Viles wrote:
>
> Although I still love my K1000, I do have to agree with that last post.
> Maybe if it would have accepted such things as power winders and
> motordrives or if it had a self timer or even an AE mode then it would have
> been a much better camera. Maybe it would have kept me from buying one of
> there newer camera's??? I can recommend the Pentax P30T for about the same
> price though. It has everything that the K1000 has plus AE, power winder,
> and self timer. The only drawback that I can see is that it only takes DX
> coded film. I think you have to use a DX coded cassette or it will default
> to ASA100.
>
> Walton <ro...@kiva.net> wrote in article
> <01bc715a$8087a5a0$f745...@tima.com>...
> >
> >
> > Charles Tse <t...@muhthr.hlo.dec.com> wrote in article
> > <33956A...@muhthr.hlo.dec.com>...
> > : David Viles wrote:
> > : >
> > : > The Pentax K1000 is an excellent camera with all the features you
> > could
> > : > want in a fully manual camera. I love mine and wouldn't get rid
> > of it for
> > :
> > : It doesn't have spot metering like most other manual SLR.
> > : Very bad if you can't find a middle grey area big enough
> > : for accurate metering.
> > :
> > : ---Charles
> > :
> > The K1000 dosn't accept a motor drive or power winder, and it
> > doesn't have a self timer. The K1000 that I borrowed has a very dim
> > viewfinder and the central microprism is almost invisible. The meter
> > is very slow. I don't know, but I believe that the K1000 uses a cds
> > meter cell. I'm sure someone will tell me if I'm wrong. The Silicon
> > blue cell in the Fujica ST-701 reacted much faster.
> >
> > Ron Walton
> >
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Ramesh Mantha
If you have quite a supply, why dont you list it on your web page???
-RM
BandHPhoto (bandh...@aol.com) wrote:
: <Yes, it is a good camera which has been around for years, but I've read
Larry Granger
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:38:24 GMT, ad...@normancamera.com (Larry
Granger) wrote:
>If you are looking for a K1000 we have a great selection of Used
>K1000's they were used for a medical research project, and we have
>the K1000's and the 100mm Macro Pentax Lens in package or seperate.
>Total of about 150 sets of these systems....
>
IVE posted the K1000 Used Cameras and Lenses on our Website.
you can go to the K1000 Special page right from the Main Site page:
Http://www.normancamera.com look for the blue/red pentax button
hope this helps...Larry
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Mherrmphot
What the heck is redickless??? I guess you mean ridiculous. It is amazing
to watch, English not being my mother tongue, how poor the spelling of
many Americans is!
Apart from that, I fully agree that, in my words, the K 1000 is not a
beginner's, but a connaisseur's camera. If you know the context between
aperture, film speed, shutter speed and distance setting (depth of field),
you do not need bells and whistles!!
I did use the K 1000 with a Sigma Apo lens, and the results were
excellent! All I missed was a lever for pre-viewing depth of field.
Regards, MH
Ron Walton
It finally quite raining for a couple of days and I've had a
chance to put some test rolls through the borrowed K1000 I have.
Dosn't look too good so far. As far as the K1000 being a
connoisseur's camera I'll have to disagree with that statement. The
public has voted with thier $$$$. The Rebel is now the best selling
camera and Pentax has discontinued the K1000 for lack of sales. If
you want a K-mount Pentax there are much better choices in the used
market. The Pentax MX is a good example if you'r wanting a
mechanical shutter. It has interchangeable focus screens,
self-timer, DOF preview and accepts a power winder/motor drive.
There are several other much better choices such as the Super
Program, Program Plus, ME Super and ME-F just to name a few.
The problem here is that if you add a power winder to something
like above mentioned cameras you will have more money tied up in one
of them than you would in something like a Pentax ZX-50, Minolta
400si or Rebel X.
Ron Walton
Visit the BPC
http://www.geocities.com/soho/lofts/7884/bpc/bpc.html
Mherrmphot <mherr...@aol.com> wrote in article
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: What the heck is redickless??? I guess you mean ridiculous. It is
:
:
Ruud Reurekas
Ron Walton <ro...@kiva.net> schreef in artikel
<01bc7e3f$bc95bae0$c945...@tima.com>...
> It finally quite raining for a couple of days and I've had a
> chance to put some test rolls through the borrowed K1000 I have.
> Dosn't look too good so far. As far as the K1000 being a
> connoisseur's camera I'll have to disagree with that statement. The
> public has voted with thier $$$$. The Rebel is now the best selling
> camera and Pentax has discontinued the K1000 for lack of sales. If
> you want a K-mount Pentax there are much better choices in the used
> market. The Pentax MX is a good example if you'r wanting a
> mechanical shutter. It has interchangeable focus screens,
> self-timer, DOF preview and accepts a power winder/motor drive.
> There are several other much better choices such as the Super
> Program, Program Plus, ME Super and ME-F just to name a few.
> The problem here is that if you add a power winder to something
> like above mentioned cameras you will have more money tied up in one
> of them than you would in something like a Pentax ZX-50, Minolta
> 400si or Rebel X.
>
>
>
> Ron Walton
> Visit the BPC
> http://www.geocities.com/soho/lofts/7884/bpc/bpc.html
>
> Hello Ron,
I am disappointed after reading your negative remarks about the good
old Pentax K1000, the camera that is to my opinion what the VW Beetle
is in the automobile world: a simple, highly reliable no-nonsense device
that lasts almost forever.
Of course it has no high-tech features like autofocus, a microprocessor,
and a big LCD screen with a lot of information. But does a photographer
really need al this rubbish ? After all a nice image is purely a matter of
making/finding a nice composition, immortalised after a click of the
shutter.
I bought a K1000 in 1978, and I used it for 12 years. It survived several
bicycle holidays (the K1000 clattering in bags for hundreds of miles),
the sand of a lot of beach holidays, dropping on the ground during walks
in the mountains, and so on. But it never failed to do where it was
designed for: making high-quality pictures.
I can recommend this old-timer to everybody.
However, there is one thing that you should not do with a Pentax
K1000: leaving it in an unattended car for a few moments, like I did in
1990.
I think that the bastard that stole it out of my car still uses it to his
full
satisfaction.
Ruud Reurekas.
Doug Stemke
I completely agree with you Ruud. I was doing some winter shooting
at the zoo here in St. Paul with my P30T (Pentax). Well the temperature
(-30 F, -34 C) was a little too much for the P30T (the battery controls
the shutter). I 'snatched' my girlfriend's K1000 and kept right on
shooting. It was a real trouper, no problems and lovely photos. My
co-worker who owns a Rebel G figured it was pointless even to try!
It is true that the K1000 isn't a gaget junkie's dream. It is an artist's
dream! Sort of being 'zen' with a camera. You can't rely on technology
to get good shots. But it certainly isn't difficult or magical. If the
lens is fine then one should take excellent quality photos. Therefore I'm
a little mystified why Ron had such a difficult time taking good photos.
Either he is using an off-brand lens or he must have problems in general
using manual cameras. It seems like an expensive camera when you compare
gagets, but if you compare the quality to a similar well built
non-plastic manual camera, like an Olympus OM-4Ti (8 times as much (ok
it is titanium)), you realize the K1000 is a bargin! It's too bad Pentax
couldn't convince the entery level market that the quality of the
construction of the K1000 is worth a bit more than their plastic
counterparts.
Cheers.
Doug
On 25 Jun 1997, Ruud Reurekas wrote:
>
> Ron Walton <ro...@kiva.net> schreef in artikel
> <01bc7e3f$bc95bae0$c945...@tima.com>...
> > It finally quite raining for a couple of days and I've had a
> > chance to put some test rolls through the borrowed K1000 I have.
> > Dosn't look too good so far. As far as the K1000 being a
> > connoisseur's camera I'll have to disagree with that statement. The
> > public has voted with thier $$$$. The Rebel is now the best selling
> > camera and Pentax has discontinued the K1000 for lack of sales. If
> > you want a K-mount Pentax there are much better choices in the used
> > market. The Pentax MX is a good example if you'r wanting a
> > mechanical shutter. It has interchangeable focus screens,
> > self-timer, DOF preview and accepts a power winder/motor drive.
> > Hello Ron,
Stephen Graham
Personally I've never been able to understand why someone would want to
buy a new K-1000 over a secondhand MX. Any purist's camera which lacks
depth of field preview is a bit of a joke in my book.
Regards
Steve Graham
sys...@hotmail.com
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/1837/
Phil Schmidt
Not if you get your ME Super in mint condition for $48. B^) (I just love
a great bargain)
Ron Walton <ro...@kiva.net> wrote in article
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Ron Walton
Phil Schmidt <sch...@jas-net.de> wrote in article
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: Not if you get your ME Super in mint condition for $48. B^) (I
just love
: a great bargain)
A great camera at a great price. One of our local photo stores
has a super program for $125. I thought that was a nice price, but
your buy was better. Add a power winder to your kit. You won't
regret it.
Ron Walton
: Ron Walton <ro...@kiva.net> wrote in article
:
:
Charles Robinson
Stephen Graham (sys...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: Personally I've never been able to understand why someone would want to
: buy a new K-1000 over a secondhand MX. Any purist's camera which lacks
: depth of field preview is a bit of a joke in my book.
I know I'd love a DOF preview on my ME super. I fake it now, by unlocking
the mount and actually rotating the lens in the mount until the aperture
shuts down. Kind of a PITA, but every once in a while when I REALLY need
to know, it works ok.
-Charles
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| email: char...@visi.com | where would you put it?" |
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Ron Walton
Doug Stemke <dst...@umabnet.ab.umd.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.A32.3.94.970626...@umabnet.ab.umd.edu>...
:
: I completely agree with you Ruud. I was doing some winter shooting
: at the zoo here in St. Paul with my P30T (Pentax). Well the
temperature
: (-30 F, -34 C) was a little too much for the P30T (the battery
controls
: the shutter). I 'snatched' my girlfriend's K1000 and kept right on
: shooting. It was a real trouper, no problems and lovely photos. My
: co-worker who owns a Rebel G figured it was pointless even to try!
Did this person try or did you talk him out of trying?
:
: It is true that the K1000 isn't a gaget junkie's dream. It is an
artist's
: dream!
I don't think artist's dream really applies. If I went to sleep
knowing that a K1000 was the camera I would have to use when I woke
up I would probably have nightmares.
Sort of being 'zen' with a camera. You can't rely on technology
: to get good shots.
This is an ignorant statement. Do you really think a camera
design of 25 years is going to be superior to a newer design. If the
K1000 was the apex of camera design why do the camera mfg keep
introducing more advanced cameras?
But it certainly isn't difficult or magical. If the
: lens is fine then one should take excellent quality photos.
Therefore I'm
: a little mystified why Ron had such a difficult time taking good
photos.
This is typical. If you don't agree with me you'r not a good
photographer. I've never said you couldn't make excellent photos
with a K1000. Accidents do happen.
: Either he is using an off-brand lens or he must have problems in
general
: using manual cameras. It seems like an expensive camera when you
compare
: gagets, but if you compare the quality to a similar well built
: non-plastic manual camera,
Here we go again. If it's plastic it's no good. Many plastics
have better tensile strength than some metals.
Ron Walton
:
:
:
Ron Walton
Ruud Reurekas <rreu...@worldonline.nl> wrote in article
<01bc81ae$beda4740$0688f1c3@default>...
:
:
: Ron Walton <ro...@kiva.net> schreef in artikel
: <01bc7e3f$bc95bae0$c945...@tima.com>...
: > It finally quite raining for a couple of days and I've had
a
: > chance to put some test rolls through the borrowed K1000 I have.
: > Dosn't look too good so far. As far as the K1000 being a
: > connoisseur's camera I'll have to disagree with that statement.
The
: > public has voted with thier $$$$. The Rebel is now the best
selling
: > camera and Pentax has discontinued the K1000 for lack of sales.
If
: > you want a K-mount Pentax there are much better choices in the
used
: > market. The Pentax MX is a good example if you'r wanting a
: > mechanical shutter. It has interchangeable focus screens,
: > self-timer, DOF preview and accepts a power winder/motor drive.
: > There are several other much better choices such as the
Super
: > Program, Program Plus, ME Super and ME-F just to name a few.
: > The problem here is that if you add a power winder to
something
: > like above mentioned cameras you will have more money tied up in
one
: > of them than you would in something like a Pentax ZX-50, Minolta
: > 400si or Rebel X.
: >
: >
: >
: > Ron Walton
: > Visit the BPC
: > http://www.geocities.com/soho/lofts/7884/bpc/bpc.html
: >
: > Hello Ron,
: I am disappointed after reading your negative remarks about the
good
: old Pentax K1000, the camera that is to my opinion what the VW
Beetle
: is in the automobile world: a simple, highly reliable no-nonsense
device
: that lasts almost forever.
: Of course it has no high-tech features like autofocus, a
microprocessor,
: and a big LCD screen with a lot of information. But does a
photographer
: really need al this rubbish ? After all a nice image is purely a
matter of
:
: making/finding a nice composition, immortalised after a click of
the
: shutter.
Are you trying to say that if you arn't using a K1000 you'r not
photograper?
:
: I bought a K1000 in 1978, and I used it for 12 years. It survived
several
: bicycle holidays (the K1000 clattering in bags for hundreds of
miles),
: the sand of a lot of beach holidays, dropping on the ground during
walks
: in the mountains, and so on. But it never failed to do where it
was
: designed for: making high-quality pictures.
: I can recommend this old-timer to everybody.
:
: However, there is one thing that you should not do with a Pentax
: K1000: leaving it in an unattended car for a few moments, like I
did in
: 1990.
: I think that the bastard that stole it out of my car still uses it
to his
: full
: satisfaction.
The bastard probably sold it for $20.00 and felt lucky to get
that for it.
Ron Walton
:
: Ruud Reurekas.
:
:
Matt Neubauer
On 25 Jun 1997 21:24:15 GMT, "Ruud Reurekas" <rreu...@worldonline.nl>
wrote:
>I bought a K1000 .... But it never failed to do where it was
>designed for: making high-quality pictures.
Sorry...YOU made the high quality pictures.
It's just a tool, boys and girls. Ya gotta know how to use
it. Doesn't matter if it's a K1000, rebel, or F5. Newer cameras may
make it *easier* to take good pictures, but anyone can take a bad
picture.
mn
Matt Neubauer
Ron Walton
I apologize for the rudeness of my last post. I was getting
disconnects every 5 or 10 mins and was in a foul mood. I shall
attempt it again.
Ron Walton
Ron Walton <ro...@kiva.net> wrote in article
<01bc8417$9d208680$2345...@tima.com>...
:
:
: Ruud Reurekas <rreu...@worldonline.nl> wrote in article
: : in the mountains, and so on. But it never failed to do where it
: was
: : designed for: making high-quality pictures.
: : I can recommend this old-timer to everybody.
: :
:
Go Adorama
The K1000 was not discontinued for lack of sales. It still is the most
popular camera for students of photography. We sell many both new and
used - it is being replaced with a newer version of the meter - which will
keep the price competitive.
Greg N. Karas
Adorama
The Photography People
goAd...@aol.com
Ron Walton
I drove a VW Beetle for about 2 years. It got me where I wanted
to go, but I remember being under it with a wrench in hand on a few
occasions.
: Of course it has no high-tech features like autofocus, a
microprocessor,
: and a big LCD screen with a lot of information. But does a
photographer
: really need al this rubbish ?
One man's rubbish is another's treasure. To you it may be
rubbish, but to me it makes getting accurately exposed and composed
photos much easier.
Between 1972 and 1977 when I was using Spotmatic F cameras I
realized that a high percentage of the exposures were taken with the
meter needle centered. Sure some adjustments were made for different
situations, but why not let the camera set the exposure for you for
typical lighting situations. Same with winding the film. You do
need to wind it after each exposure don't You? Being left eye
dominant makes a power winder even more desirable.
After all a nice image is purely a matter of
:
: making/finding a nice composition, immortalised after a click of
the
: shutter.
:
: I bought a K1000 in 1978, and I used it for 12 years. It survived
several
: bicycle holidays (the K1000 clattering in bags for hundreds of
miles),
: the sand of a lot of beach holidays, dropping on the ground during
walks
: in the mountains, and so on. But it never failed to do where it
was
: designed for: making high-quality pictures.
: I can recommend this old-timer to everybody.
Again I have to say that I will not recommend a K1000 in most
cases. If it's all your budget permits, then by all means get one.
Comparing the test rolls I made with a borrowed K1000 to the test
rolls made with an EOS 630 tells me a few things. The K1000
exposures of clear sky shows almost as many different densinties as
exposures made. The EOS 630 exposures are so alike it's almost
sceary. Using the K1000 reminds me of how poor thier meter range is
and how poor its film loading take up reel is. I shot many many
excellent slides with my Spotmatic IIs and Spotmatic Fs but don't
regret for one minute moving on to more advanced equipment.
I hate to hear of anyone's photo gear being stolen. Did you
replace it with a K1000?
Ron Walton
PS-I was disconnected twice while composing this response.
:
: However, there is one thing that you should not do with a Pentax
: K1000: leaving it in an unattended car for a few moments, like I
did in
: 1990.
: I think that the bastard that stole it out of my car still uses it
to his
: full
: satisfaction.
:
: Ruud Reurekas.
:
:
Phil Schmidt
Charles Robinson <char...@visi.com> wrote in article
<5p3l2u$org$4...@darla.visi.com>...
> Stephen Graham (sys...@hotmail.com) wrote:
> : Personally I've never been able to understand why someone would want to
> : buy a new K-1000 over a secondhand MX. Any purist's camera which lacks
> : depth of field preview is a bit of a joke in my book.
>
> I know I'd love a DOF preview on my ME super. I fake it now, by
unlocking
> the mount and actually rotating the lens in the mount until the aperture
> shuts down. Kind of a PITA, but every once in a while when I REALLY need
> to know, it works ok.
>
> -Charles
Thanks for the helpful bit knowledge of how to do a primative DOF preview
with an ME Super. I own one and it may come in handy someday. THIS is the
type of thing, I hope, everyone likes to see in this group. Informative
statements, not brand loyalty bull sh#t.
Charles Robinson
Phil Schmidt (sch...@jas-net.de) wrote:
: Charles Robinson <char...@visi.com> wrote in article
: > I know I'd love a DOF preview on my ME super. I fake it now, by
: unlocking
: > the mount and actually rotating the lens in the mount until the aperture
: > shuts down. Kind of a PITA, but every once in a while when I REALLY need
: > to know, it works ok.
: Thanks for the helpful bit knowledge of how to do a primative DOF preview
: with an ME Super. I own one and it may come in handy someday. THIS is the
: type of thing, I hope, everyone likes to see in this group. Informative
: statements, not brand loyalty bull sh#t.
..the trick is keeping the focus and aperture rings in the same position
relative to the lens while rotating the whole assembly. It requires a big
grab with the hand to hold everything in place, but.. well, it's better
than nothing!
JV image
My first camera while going to school was a Pentax K-1000. The camera
worked fine mechanically, I was even able to make some good standard
negative tests with it. The only down side to this camera is the poor
optic quality of its lenses. I remedied the situation by purchasing a nice
Pentax mount Nikon 24mm 2 lens.
The results were wonderful!!!
I have evolved into more sophisticated gear with supreme optic quality in
mind. But still miss the simplicity of the K-1000
CharlesW99
JV Image wrote:
>>My first camera while going to school was a Pentax K-1000. The camera
worked fine mechanically, I was even able to make some good standard
negative tests with it. The only down side to this camera is the poor
optic quality of its lenses. I remedied the situation by purchasing a nice
Pentax mount Nikon 24mm 2 lens.
The results were wonderful!!!<<
Huh? did you mean the SMC Takumar/Pentax lenses? Everything that I've read
(as well as my experience with several Pentax Spotmatics) would indicate
otherwise. If you tried a third party lens, you really can't blame Pentax.
If you look at the archives, the performance of the wide angle Pentax
lenses are quite good.
Regards,
Charlie charl...@aol.com
Bunky 500
If you originally had a "Takumar" versus an "SMC Takumar", then you're
correct in that those lenses aren't as sharp as they should be. However,
the SMC Takumars are Excellent lens. You may want to try some of them
instead of retrofitting other OEM brands onto the K-mount Pentaxes.
Bozhidar Dimitrov
JV image (jvi...@aol.com) wrote:
: >My first camera while going to school was a Pentax K-1000. The camera
: >worked fine mechanically, I was even able to make some good standard
: >negative tests with it. The only down side to this camera is the poor
: >optic quality of its lenses.
You are putting down a camera body because it had a poor lens attached to
it?!? Or are you saying that Pentax lenses are poor?
Boz
UnkJed
Can't agree. I've found the optic quality of all Pentax manual lenses to
be superb!
PhotoPPC
Hey how's it going Ron? I just thought that I would also write to you in
defense of
my K1000. I have been shooting for about 17 years with my two bodies. They
are well taken care of and have never been in the shop. I borrowed a
cannon Automatic
from a friend and the battery died. Needless to say that ruined a roll of
film and a good day of shooting. I have six lenses and if I ever move to a
medium format, I will keep my K1000 for a good,dependable back-up.
see ya Photoppc @aol
Ron Walton
--
Ron Walton
Visit the BPC
http://www.geocities.com/soho/lofts/7884/bpc/bpc.html
PhotoPPC <phot...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970716234...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
: Hey how's it going Ron? I just thought that I would also write to
you in
: defense of
: my K1000. I have been shooting for about 17 years with my two
bodies. They
: are well taken care of and have never been in the shop.
I'm glad that you enjoy using the equipment of your choice. I
used Canon A series cameras for around 17 years before changing to
EOS. Produced many excellent pics with them as well as the Pentax
Spotmatics I used before the Canons. My initial response was to a
post inquiring about the K1000 from a person wanting pats on the back
instead of advice. There were a couple of responses after that
saying that if you weren't using a K1000 you made the wrong choice or
weren't competent as a photographer. The K1000 was a good choice 17
years ago, but if you were buying a system today would you buy a
K1000?
I borrowed a
: cannon Automatic
: from a friend and the battery died. Needless to say that ruined a
roll of
: film and a good day of shooting.
The friend should have given you his spare batt along with the
camera. I carry an extra batt for each body I have with me. Since I
seem to be getting 60+ 36 exp rolls with each batt this seems to be
Ok for my usage.
I have six lenses and if I ever move to a
: medium format, I will keep my K1000 for a good,dependable back-up.
: see ya Photoppc @aol
The Pentax 645 is my first choice for MF. I made a mistake
buying a Mamiya M645 used even tho at a nice price. I simply hate
the thing. After using the M645 the K1000 even feels nice.
Ron Walton
:
Jerry Houston
UnkJed wrote:
>
> Can't agree. I've found the optic quality of all Pentax manual lenses to
> be superb!
I didn't see the original post, or I would have answered the same. Of
course, I haven't used ALL Pentax manual lenses, but I do currently own
14 of them, and I've had another 12 or so different ones in the past. I
haven't found one with "ordinary" quality yet. I routinely do things
with them that people tell me can't be done with 35mm.
Can't say I'm impressed with ANYBODY'S new all-plastic, auto-everything
lenses, though. Fortunately, the used equipment market has had nearly
everything I've ever needed. Still looking for a 20mm f2.8, though.
--
Reply to me personally by first removing the tilde ~ from my
address. It's there to make life difficult for spammers.
UnkJed
They'll get my K-100 when they pry it out of my cold, dead fingers!!
Ron Walton
The Pentax 50mm F2.0 is a dog.
Jerry Houston <~jhou...@walldata.com> wrote in article
<33CF80...@walldata.com>...
:
Tomas Dolezal
Ron Walton wrote:
>
> The Pentax 50mm F2.0 is a dog.
WHY ???
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Tomas Dolezal
Hradec Kralove, Czech Republic, Europe
E-mail: tomas_...@arrow.cz
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ADGUERRA
Hi,
>I have six lenses
I have used my K1000 since I first started shooting 10 years ago, but I
don't know much about compatible lenses, other than stuff I've picked up
second-hand (yard sales and flea markets). Would you share some of your
lense knowledge with me? I have an ASAHI Pentax-M 1:3.5 28mm (I picked
this up at a flea market for $25 and I haven't had any problems so far), a
ROKINON Automatic MC 1:2.8 f135mm macro, and I used to have a CHINAR
1:2.8 f135. The CHINAR was wonderful until the thread in the focus ring
started catching and then the lense proceeded to fall apart. I'd
appreciate any pearls of wisdom you have to spare. Also, have you ever
had any problems with going through batteries quickly (some sort of
shortage problem, as a firm bump brings the meter back)? Thanks, Andrea
Michael butkus
You will find that used Pentax lenses from cameras stores aren't too
cheap. Either screw or K mounts. They want $85 for a Sears 135 F/2.8
lens.. Simply amazing. My Spotmatic II was given to me in high school
for senior year, 1971. Still hanging in there even after may rolls of
college photography, then a child growing up. Just replaced the
battery with the non-mercury type. Seems like a battery of the same
voltage with a plastic rim to fit in the holder right. Has anyone gone
to local camera shows? My brother-in-law has gone to a few but said
they are still very expensive. The killer is a used K1000 is going for
$149 around the upper east coast.
In article <19970727231...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
adgu...@aol.com says...
Allen Young
On 28 Jul 1997 01:23:53 GMT, butk...@postoffice.ptd.net (Michael
butkus) wrote:
>You will find that used Pentax lenses from cameras stores aren't too
>cheap. Either screw or K mounts. They want $85 for a Sears 135 F/2.8
>lens.. Simply amazing. My Spotmatic II was given to me in high school
>for senior year, 1971. Still hanging in there even after may rolls of
>college photography, then a child growing up. Just replaced the
>battery with the non-mercury type. Seems like a battery of the same
>voltage with a plastic rim to fit in the holder right. Has anyone gone
>to local camera shows? My brother-in-law has gone to a few but said
>they are still very expensive. The killer is a used K1000 is going for
>$149 around the upper east coast.
>
Shutterbug this month had a wonderful article on finding cheap lenses.
Prices vary with a great many factors; appearance, brand name
reconition, etc. The article is well worth a look.
One thing I've found about the K1000 is it does hold its value very
well. However, I recently found a used SE model with the split level
microprism viewfinder and the much malined pentax SMC 50/2.0 for $125
at a show. (I think this lens gets a bad rap)
Ish.
LiKwiD
> Either screw or K mounts. They want $85 for a Sears 135 F/2.8
Tell me if I got a deal:::: I bought a used (over the internet) K1000,
the 50mm lens, a JCpenny 135 mm lens, the hard case, the strap, all for
140 dollars, shipping included....
>My brother-in-law has gone to a few but said
He must be a cool guy :)
>they are still very expensive. The killer is a used K1000 is going for
>$149 around the upper east coast.
They could buy mine for $160 whole package..... wait, I'd never sell my K1
000, it's the best!!!!!!!!
One question for you all: Please answer. The only way I can tell if my
WHOLE PICTURE is in focus (using like f16) is when I get them developed...
how come when I change the aperture, the view doesn't change also? I
always have to guess on my k1000, because I know I want everything in
focus, but usually the f16-f22 is too high, and the shutter is where I
want it.... HELP!! Thanks guys.. and gals!
Brian
Dances With Birds
lik...@aol.com (LiKwiD) wrote:
>One question for you all: Please answer. The only way I can tell if my
>WHOLE PICTURE is in focus (using like f16) is when I get them developed...
>how come when I change the aperture, the view doesn't change also? I
>always have to guess on my k1000, because I know I want everything in
>focus, but usually the f16-f22 is too high, and the shutter is where I
>want it.... HELP!! Thanks guys.. and gals!
>Brian
The K1000 had full aperature metering. It does not have a depth of
field preview, which is,unfortuately, what you seem to want.
The only time the lens will actually "step down" is when the picture
is actually being taken/exposed.
You will have to guess or use experience to make your exposures "in
focus".
Or you can take several exposures of the same scene with different
focus settings.
And use a GOOD tripod. Some of your "lack of focus" could be blur
caused by camera shake. Use a shutter release cord with the tripod.
You may also wish to try a wider angle lens for some of you pictures.
A 35mm or 28mm wide angle will "seem" to give you greater depth of
field.
==============================================================
Fred B.
"Dances With Birds"
fre...@ibm.net
"Sharpness is fine, but content is everything"
Francis Tang
LiKwiD (lik...@aol.com) wrote:
: One question for you all: Please answer. The only way I can tell if my
: WHOLE PICTURE is in focus (using like f16) is when I get them developed...
: how come when I change the aperture, the view doesn't change also? I
: always have to guess on my k1000, because I know I want everything in
: focus, but usually the f16-f22 is too high, and the shutter is where I
: want it.... HELP!! Thanks guys.. and gals!
The K1000 has no depth of field feature, however, in this newsgroup
and in the pentax-discuss mailing list there have been suggestions to
overcome this problem: just press the lens release button and turn the
lens in the mount; this stops down the lens. It is also warned that
you have to be careful not to drop the lens while doing so.
Alternatively, you can always use the DOF markings on the barrel of
the lens. (Most prime and one-touch zoom lenses have this; I have yet
to find a two-touch zoom that has DOF markings.)
Personally I think that the DOF markings is the better solution since
stopping down the lens makes the viewfinder image darker.
Furthermore, since the viewfinder image is so small anyway, it is hard
to tell whether certain parts of the image are sharp or not.
I hope this helps.
Yours,
Frank.
--
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Francis Tang, The Queen's College, Oxford
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~quee0052/
Michael butkus
There should be a way on a K-1000 to shut the aperture down... on the
lens barrel there should be an A and an M. That should shut the lens
down to check depth of field.
In article <33df1...@news3.ibm.net>, fre...@ibm.net says...
>
>lik...@aol.com (LiKwiD) wrote:
>
>
>>One question for you all: Please answer. The only way I can tell if
my
>>WHOLE PICTURE is in focus (using like f16) is when I get them
developed...
>>how come when I change the aperture, the view doesn't change also? I
>>always have to guess on my k1000, because I know I want everything in
>>focus, but usually the f16-f22 is too high, and the shutter is where
I
>>want it.... HELP!! Thanks guys.. and gals!
>