Nikon 35Ti, 28Ti vs Leica MiniLux vs Contax T2 vs Hexar vs Minolta TC1 vs Yashica vs vs ???
Chris Bitmead
I've been thinking about getting a light/small camera to supplement my
SLR system. Something with quality and a fast lens. I know a little
about the Nikon 28/35 Ti, Leica MiniLux, Contax T2.
What do people with experience of these cameras recommend? Currently I
am leaning towards the Nikon 35Ti.
I don't what the Hexar is. Can anyone tell me about it?
What is the Minolta TC1?
Does Yashica make something along these lines?
It's a pity someone doesn't make a P&S with some cheap interchangable lenses.
Garry Lee
>It's a pity someone doesn't make a P&S with some cheap interchangable lenses.
They do. They're light SLRs. Like EOS 500 etc. Regard them as P&S and your
problem is solved.
I have a Contax T2. It's a fabulous camera. THe Hexar has the best lens
I've ever tested on a camera but it's a little big. The Nikon is poor
value.
Benson Wills
An EOS is hard to fit in your pocket. Try a Yashica T4 Super, very
compact 35mm with a Zeiss lens, no less. Also weatherproof.
On 6 Mar 1997 07:56:45 GMT, Garry Lee <gl...@iol.ie> wrote:
>They do. They're light SLRs. Like EOS 500 etc. Regard them as P&S and your
>problem is solved.
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Chris Bitmead wrote:
>
> What do people with experience of these cameras recommend? Currently I
> am leaning towards the Nikon 35Ti.
>
I've been using a 35Ti for about 18 months and it's been fantastic.
It's a wonderful thing to hold and work with, pictures are *very* good
edge-to-edge, the automatic metering works great and the overrides are
easy to get to. The lense cover mechanism is the right implementation
for this format: you can't accidentally leave the cap "on", and yet it
protects the lense when crammed in a jacket pocket, which is what you do
with this kind of camera.
The camera's been dropped onto concrete (slid off the top of a newly
waxed car...) but continued to function okay until Nikon repaired the
glass cover over the analog displays and got the liquid crystal display
to work again ($150.00). Titanium surface is completely unmarred from
the fall, so maybe that fancy metal isn't just a fashion statement after
all. The built-in flash is adequate for outdoor fill and for closeups.
The downside? Autofocus is a bit slow, resulting in some lost shots.
Also, there are so many functions hidden behind the little buttons, it's
not obvious how you get to all of them: I usually manage to waste a
frame or two before I get the self-timer working. On the other hand
I've heard people complain about how small the buttons are, but I don't
have a problem with them.
The analog display is especially useful for... well, for starting
conversations in bars I guess.
I'm curious about why another poster considers this camera poor value.
Alan Brooks
James Rosenzweig
Have a look at the January 1997 issue of Popular Photography and on page
20 you will find the test report on the new Ricoh GR 1. Their conclusion,
"Awesome". The camera is lighter/smaller and weighs less than the Nikon.
The lens test had the following comment concerning its performance, "But
in SLR terms, it would still rank among the best single-focal-length 28
mm lenses." As for controls, "Of all the so-called luxo-P/S's to come out
so far, this one has the most straightforward, clearest operation by
far." The GR 1 has just been awarded "Best Compact Camera of The Year" by
the British magazine Amateur Photographer. The price (if you can find any
left in stock) is in the $430 to $450 range.
Michael Schuster
In article <5fnpss$6...@dorsai.dorsai.org>,
Last week someone reported here that a contact sheet made from a roll
exposed on the GR-1 showed significant light fall-of on the edges,
especially on the right side. He said he'd post again when he got his
slides back. I'm wondering what other peoples' experiences are when
looking at exposures and formats that would demonstrate this.
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Spiderperson
Alan Brooks <ch...@panix.com> wrote in article <331EF7...@panix.com>...
> Chris Bitmead wrote:
> >
>
> > What do people with experience of these cameras recommend? Currently I
> > am leaning towards the Nikon 35Ti.
> >
The Yaschica & the Contax-T both have Carl Zeiss T* lenses--superb. The
Minilux also has a superb lens--an elmar, I believe.
BUT, there's a new kid on the block.......the Ricoh GR-1. It has a metal
body, excellent features, manual override and, according to reports &
users, an EXCELLENT lens. It is a 28mm glass lens (7 or 8 elements in 4
groups or something) with asphyrical elements that is sharp, sharp, sharp
according to some users on the net. The US Popular Photography (Jan/97?)
also raved over it.
The price is most reasonable......$439-450 US at B+H in NY,NY.
OTOH, if I had the $$$$$ I would get the Contax-2 and let my great-great
grandson inherit it, too.
gre...@ameritech.net
On 7 Mar 1997 04:43:14 GMT, "Spiderperson" <tow...@norcom.mb.ca>
wrote:
I,ve had the 35TI since it came out, and never regretted for a moment.
Just superb.
Kathleen Lytle
Garry Lee (gl...@iol.ie) wrote:
: THe Hexar has the best lens
But the fact that you can't get into your shirt pocket will be quickly
forgotten when you feast your eyes on that first set on negatives.
HARVT
I just understand the sense in buying a Hexar when it is a big as a SLR.
It seems to defeat the purpose of a point and shoot.
Harvey
Chris Bitmead
>>It's a pity someone doesn't make a P&S with some cheap interchangable lenses.
>
>They do. They're light SLRs. Like EOS 500 etc. Regard them as P&S and your
>problem is solved.
I was thinking more along the lines of Contax G, only even a little
smaller if possible, and would sacrifice a little quality for price.
Nathan Wong
HARVT (ha...@aol.com) wrote:
: I just understand the sense in buying a Hexar when it is a big as a SLR.
: It seems to defeat the purpose of a point and shoot.
First, it's not a point and shoot camera. Second, it's the EXACT SAME
DIMENSIONS AS A LEICA M CAMERA WITH A 35MM LENS. What? Can't be? Measure it.
Duc Tran
HARVT (ha...@aol.com) wrote:
: I just understand the sense in buying a Hexar when it is a big as a SLR.
: It seems to defeat the purpose of a point and shoot.
: Harvey
Back in '91, when Konica first make a Luxo Hi-End point and shoot,
I think they try to distinguish their camera from by making them
bigger and with full metal construction.
I certainly prefer they are smaller and lighter. Only Ricoh
GR-1 are pocketable in my opinion.
Duc
Kathleen Lytle
Duc Tran (dt...@xsvr2.cup.hp.com) wrote:
: HARVT (ha...@aol.com) wrote:
: : I just understand the sense in buying a Hexar when it is a big as a SLR.
: : It seems to defeat the purpose of a point and shoot.
: I think they try to distinguish their camera from by making them
: bigger and with full metal construction.
:
: I certainly prefer they are smaller and lighter. Only Ricoh
: GR-1 are pocketable in my opinion.
I prefer a camera that produces pictures that make people say, "Wow!"
My Hexar is smaller than my OM2. You got a 35mm SLR that's smaller than
an OM2?
Christopher G Mullin
Chris Bitmead (Chris....@Alcatel.com.au) wrote:
: I've been thinking about getting a light/small camera to supplement my
: SLR system. Something with quality and a fast lens. I know a little
: about the Nikon 28/35 Ti, Leica MiniLux, Contax T2.
[snip}
: What is the Minolta TC1?
It's the smallest 35mm autofocus camera with built-in flash ever made--
smaller than a credit card. You have a 6-element 28mm lens and
aperture-preferred autoexposure, with shutter speeds visible on the camera
top and in the viewfinder, and aperture adjustment on the front. Average
or spot metering, 4 stops of exposure override each way. Solid titanium
body. Very expensive. Wish I could afford one.
Write with further questions --Chris
[snip]
: It's a pity someone doesn't make a P&S with some cheap interchangable
: lenses.
Yes, it is :( Now, there's only the Contax G-series, and they're not
cheap. In the 50's and 60's there were cheap leaf-shutter rangefinder
cameras, some of which were quite compact, but they're not as easy to use.
Bohunk
Kathleen Lytle <fin...@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in article
> My Hexar is smaller than my OM2. You got a 35mm SLR that's smaller than
> an OM2?
I have a GR-1 that is smaller (by a long shot) than an OM2 or Hexar and it
make photos that make people say, "Wow!"
James Rosenzweig
The Minolta TC 1 has a particular limitation besides its astronomical
price. The aperture settings can ONLY be set in aperture priority at the
following f stops: F 3.5, F 5.6, F 8 and F 16.
That is it. No half stops at all and as you can see no F 11, no F 22 and
a maximum aperture of F 3.5. It also has the weakest flash of all the luxo
point and shoots (Nikon 28/35 Ti, Ricoh GR 1, Contax T 2, TVS, Leica
Minilux).
James Rosenzweig
OOPs ....F 4 is also not settable!
James Rosenzweig (ji...@dorsai.org) wrote:
: The Minolta TC 1 has a particular limitation besides its astronomical
Chris Bitmead
>It's the smallest 35mm autofocus camera with built-in flash ever made--
>smaller than a credit card. You have a 6-element 28mm lens and
>aperture-preferred autoexposure, with shutter speeds visible on the camera
>top and in the viewfinder, and aperture adjustment on the front. Average
>or spot metering, 4 stops of exposure override each way. Solid titanium
>body. Very expensive. Wish I could afford one.
Sounds great. How is the size compared to Canon Elph? What about lens
quality? What is the speed of the lens?
>Yes, it is :( Now, there's only the Contax G-series, and they're not
>cheap. In the 50's and 60's there were cheap leaf-shutter rangefinder
>cameras, some of which were quite compact, but they're not as easy to use.
Yes, I have a Minolta Hi-matic 7s rangefinder. It's a great camera,
auto exposure, 45mm 1.8 lens. Not what I'd call compact, but nice.
@zeus.jersey.net TRAVGLEN
No, but I've got a Nikon 28ti which is more versatile, has more features,
and has a much better lens. The Hexar is so old hat, lets move on to newer
and better, like the new Minolta.
Kathleen Lytle <fin...@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in article
<5g80il$onv$6...@mark.ucdavis.edu>...
> Duc Tran (dt...@xsvr2.cup.hp.com) wrote:
> : HARVT (ha...@aol.com) wrote:
> : : I just understand the sense in buying a Hexar when it is a big as a
SLR.
> : : It seems to defeat the purpose of a point and shoot.
> : Back in '91, when Konica first make a Luxo Hi-End point and shoot,
> : I think they try to distinguish their camera from by making them
> : bigger and with full metal construction.
> :
> : I certainly prefer they are smaller and lighter. Only Ricoh
> : GR-1 are pocketable in my opinion.
>
Carol Chen
which model Yaschica could you specify it? i am about to buy a Leica
Mini 3.
Chih Huang, CHEN
Carol Chen <h...@wwa.com> 次寫入到主題 <332ca353....@news.wwa.com>...
> >The Yaschica & the Contax-T both have Carl Zeiss T* lenses--superb. The
> >Minilux also has a superb lens--an elmar, I believe.
> >BUT, there's a new kid on the block......
>
Are you talking about GR1 or else?
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In <332ca353....@news.wwa.com> Carol Chen wrote:
> On 7 Mar 1997 04:43:14 GMT, "Spiderperson" <tow...@norcom.mb.ca>
> wrote:
>
> which model Yaschica could you specify it? i am about to buy a Leica
> Mini 3.
> >
> >
> >Alan Brooks <ch...@panix.com> wrote in article
<331EF7...@panix.com>...
> >> Chris Bitmead wrote:
> >> >
> >Minilux also has a superb lens--an elmar, I believe.
> >BUT, there's a new kid on the block......
Alan is refering to Yashica T4 with Zeiss 2.8 Tessar lens.
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Martin Tai
: I certainly prefer they are smaller and lighter. Only Ricoh
: GR-1 are pocketable in my opinion.
: Duc
I have a Contax T2, its Sonnar lens is excellent. But at 295 g
it is a bit heavy for me. Now I carry a Minox GTE, excellent lens
at only 190 g, very pockatable. 35Ti lens is not as good, and
weights 310 g. Konica Hexar at 495 is a heavy weight.
martin tai
James Rosenzweig
The GR 1 weighs 175 g and is 117 X 61 X 26.5mm
Of course the GTE requires a separate flash unit.
Martin Tai (cg...@torfree.net) wrote:
: : I certainly prefer they are smaller and lighter. Only Ricoh
Garry Lee
Turn your shirt around...
Kathleen Lytle
Martin Tai (cg...@torfree.net) wrote:
: Konica Hexar at 495 is a heavy weight.
You're a guy, you have superior upper body strength. But you're saying
this little camera is a heavy weight?! What a whiner! Or is it weiner?
As for those so-called shirt pocketable cameras-they aren't if you have
breasts. ;-)
Alan...@compuserve.com
In article <E7CICA.1KC...@torfree.net>,
cg...@torfree.net (Martin Tai) wrote:
> I have a Contax T2, its Sonnar lens is excellent. But at 295 g
> it is a bit heavy for me. Now I carry a Minox GTE, excellent lens
> at only 190 g, very pockatable. 35Ti lens is not as good, and
> weights 310 g. Konica Hexar at 495 is a heavy weight.
Ah yes. And has anyone noticed that the GTE is THE most silent camera
around? Hexar and M6 are noisy next to it! :-)
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Alan...@compuserve.com wrote:
> In article <E7CICA.1KC...@torfree.net>,
> cg...@torfree.net (Martin Tai) wrote:
> Ah yes. And has anyone noticed that the GTE is THE most silent camera
> around? Hexar and M6 are noisy next to it! :-)
Yes, its so silent the shutter just stays open when it feels like it,
I've has two Minox ML's, both worked fine with no film in, but as
soon as that film got in there.... well we are talking VERY long
exposure times, but only on those photos I REALLY wanted to get back.
I said to myself never again, but I've found myself looking into a
local shop window with a GT. It must be a long time or maybe I'm crazy,
or maybe its because I can't afford a T2 etc.
What I would really like to now is which of the compact cameras
is best for a combination of landscape and portraits??. Is a 40mm
lens the best compromise, if so the Leica could be the one for me.
Tyrone
David Bindle
HARVT wrote:
>
> I just understand the sense in buying a Hexar when it is a big as a SLR.
> It seems to defeat the purpose of a point and shoot.
>
When are people going to wake up and realize the Hexar is not a point
and shoot?! It's unique... like the G2 is unique. There are many low end
AF SLR's out there that function like point and shoot's than the Hexar
does. Even program mode is biased to a user setting in several ways. If
you start using the Hexar as a no mind P&S, sooner or later, you wind up
in trouble. The Hexar is definately not for people who know nothing
about photography where a lot of P&S's are.
D.B.
Henrik Elowsson
On 21 Mar 1997 04:05:26 GMT, fin...@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (Kathleen
Lytle) wrote:
> You're a guy, you have superior upper body strength. But you're saying
>this little camera is a heavy weight?! What a whiner! Or is it weiner?
>As for those so-called shirt pocketable cameras-they aren't if you have
>breasts. ;-)
It's a man's world, sad but true, Just eat it! (which artists/groups)
Actually I also find the Hexar to be on the heavy side... I would
never buy a P&S that expensive, the Elph is THE P&S according to me,
small, light, sturdy and very pocketable, that is for us lucky
bastards not having production plants for dairy products... :-)
/Henrik Elowsson
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Kathleen Lytle
David Bindle (bin...@sklib.usask.ca) wrote:
: When are people going to wake up and realize the Hexar is not a point
: and shoot?! It's unique... like the G2 is unique. There are many low end
: AF SLR's out there that function like point and shoot's than the Hexar
: does. Even program mode is biased to a user setting in several ways. If
: you start using the Hexar as a no mind P&S, sooner or later, you wind up
: in trouble. The Hexar is definately not for people who know nothing
: about photography where a lot of P&S's are.
so-called program mode.
Kathleen Lytle
Garry Lee (gl...@iol.ie) wrote:
: Turn your shirt around...
:
Then I can reach for my camera and do my yoga excercises at the same time.