Wiki info may be incomplete, anonymous cowardice
Fr...@zappa.com
it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so...
I am a hate-filled bigot!
I'm not really, I just know a little more than is on the Wiki entry on Islam.
That's not hard to do - the page is does not go into great detail.
Anyway, Islam is having an impact on "our" world that will affect our
ability to freely point our cameras where we wish.
As for my cowardly anonymous posting, I don't need everybody knowing my real name.
Nowadays that's not a good idea, for many reasons.
thanks
Frank
Ockham's Razor
Fr...@Zappa.com wrote:
OK.
Now, just what does this rant have to do with digital photography?
--
I contend we are both atheists - I just believe in
one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you reject all other gods,
you will understand why I reject yours as well.
Stephen F. Roberts
Alan Browne
> Now, just what does this rant have to do with digital photography?
Pls don't oxygenate the trolls.
Fr...@zappa.com
>In article <vgohj5154n2o4hun2...@4ax.com>,
> Fr...@Zappa.com wrote:
>
>> I post saying something about Islam,
>> it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so...
>> I am a hate-filled bigot!
>>
>> I'm not really, I just know a little more than is on the Wiki entry on Islam.
>> That's not hard to do - the page is does not go into great detail.
>>
>> Anyway, Islam is having an impact on "our" world that will affect our
>> ability to freely point our cameras where we wish.
>>
>> As for my cowardly anonymous posting, I don't need everybody knowing my real
>> name.
>> Nowadays that's not a good idea, for many reasons.
>>
>> thanks
>> Frank
>
>OK.
>
>Now, just what does this rant have to do with digital photography?
1 - More Islamists mucking about, saying "get that camera out of here before I smash it!"
2 - More Police mucking about, saying "you are under arrest for suspicious photography"
while being mistaken for a terrorist, although you are actually a local.
Ray Fischer
>I post saying something about Islam,
Something which happens to be an evil lie.
>it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so...
>I am a hate-filled bigot!
bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed,
belief, or opinion.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
ray
Didn't realize the police were muslims.
Twibil
Well, in truth it's only the ones who aren't secretly un-reformed
Storm Troopers or Space Aliens.
Bill Graham
"ray" <r...@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:7psceu...@mid.individual.net...
>> 1 - More Islamists mucking about, saying "get that camera out of here
>> before I smash it!" 2 - More Police mucking about, saying "you are under
>> arrest for suspicious photography" while being mistaken for a terrorist,
>> although you are actually a local.
>
> Didn't realize the police were muslims.
weg9 says:
Well, their actions support it, so open your eyes......The FAA response to
the recent bombing attempt was to limit your carry-ons to just one bag each,
and refuse to allow you to have a blanket.....So go figure.......What has
either one of these things to do with some Jihadist strapping a bomb to his
leg? It would seem to me that the terrorists have managed to recruit our
policemen and turn them into idiots......
Neil Ellwood
> <Fr...@Zappa.com> wrote:
>>I post saying something about Islam,
>
> Something which happens to be an evil lie.
>
>>it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so... I am a hate-filled bigot!
>
> bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed,
> belief, or opinion.
Almost right - ' bigot - a person who agrees that every opinion is
correct, providing it is his own'.
--
Neil
Reverse 'r and a' Delete 'l'
Linux counter 335851
Charles E Hardwidge
news:ZJCdnaC3Cv9Nb6XW...@giganews.com...
> On 09-12-28 12:51 , Ockham's Razor wrote:
>
>> Now, just what does this rant have to do with digital photography?
>
> Pls don't oxygenate the trolls.
THEN STOP CROSS-POSTING YOU POMPOUS CUNT.
FU trimmed to alt.photography
--
Charles E Hardwidge
b...@myhouse.com
>On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:32:18 +0000, Ray Fischer wrote:
>
>> <Fr...@Zappa.com> wrote:
>>>I post saying something about Islam,
>>
>> Something which happens to be an evil lie.
>>
>>>it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so... I am a hate-filled bigot!
>>
>> bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed,
>> belief, or opinion.
>
>Almost right - ' bigot - a person who agrees that every opinion is
>correct, providing it is his own'.
Other people's opinions are fine by me - I am actually quite tolerant
of differing creeds, beliefs and opnions.
I am not tolerant of a belief system called "Islam".
It has shown itself not to be worthy of my tolerating it.
I think much in life is to be tolerated - but not Islam. What is so wrong about that?
Fr...@zappa.com
a few of them are.
Charles
<b...@myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:i0eij595qp17mn4g7...@4ax.com...
Maybe nothing, but one should be careful about painting with a wide brush.
Perhaps, it is extremist factions that you are talking about? Many who
follow Islam are pacifists.
http://ipopa.blogspot.com/2009/11/debunking-all-muslims-are-jihadists.html
Please read the whole thing, if you are really interested.
As to the extremists ... a simple message, all people have the right to
defend their future and they will.
RichA
> I post saying something about Islam,
> it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so...
> I am a hate-filled bigot!
Many people posting on wikipedia are agenda-driven, not fact-driven.
Like the global warming kooks who keep frantically re-writing entries
dealing with climate change. Propagandists for sinister groups.
Until that site gets some kind of oversight, it will continue to be a
bit of a joke in some instances.
Ray Fischer
> Neil Ellwood <cral.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> <Fr...@Zappa.com> wrote:
>>>>I post saying something about Islam,
>>>
>>> Something which happens to be an evil lie.
>>>
>>>>it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so... I am a hate-filled bigot!
>>>
>>> bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed,
>>> belief, or opinion.
>>
>>Almost right - ' bigot - a person who agrees that every opinion is
>>correct, providing it is his own'.
>
>Other people's opinions are fine by me - I am actually quite tolerant
>of differing creeds, beliefs and opnions.
Which, as you show just below, is a complete lie.
>I am not tolerant of a belief system called "Islam".
>It has shown itself not to be worthy of my tolerating it.
That makes you a bigot.
>I think much in life is to be tolerated - but not Islam.
"I think much in life is to be tolerated - but not [Judaism]."
>What is so wrong about that?
Nothing at all if you're a Nazi.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On Dec 28, 12:01�pm, Fr...@Zappa.com wrote:
>> I post saying something about Islam,
>> it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so...
>> I am a hate-filled bigot!
>
>Many people posting on wikipedia are agenda-driven, not fact-driven.
ad hominem:
The person presenting an argument is attacked instead of the
argument itself. This takes many forms. For example, the person's
character, nationality or religion may be attacked. Alternatively,
it may be pointed out that a person stands to gain from a
favourable outcome. Or, finally, a person may be attacked by
association, or by the company he keeps.
There are three major forms of Attacking the Person:
ad hominem (abusive): instead of attacking an assertion, the
argument attacks the person who made the assertion.
ad hominem (circumstantial): instead of attacking an assertion the
author points to the relationship between the person making the
assertion and the person's circumstances.
ad hominem (tu quoque): this form of attack on the person notes
that a person does not practise what he
preaches.
>Like the global warming kooks who keep frantically re-writing entries
Kook.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
George Kerby
On 12/28/09 5:22 PM, in article t9fij55c75h9rug79...@4ax.com,
"John A." <jo...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> I'm curious: can you name the minimum specific changes that would have
> to occur in Islam for it to become tolerable to you?
Don't know 'bout him, but I like ham sandwiches...
George Kerby
On 12/28/09 6:49 PM, in article 4b395236$0$1602$742e...@news.sonic.net,
"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote:
Ray, give up the Godwin crap already!
Are you just that lazy, or stupid, or both?
What a dumbshit...
NameHere
>I post saying something about Islam,
>it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so...
>I am a hate-filled bigot!
>
>I'm not really, I just know a little more than is on the Wiki entry on Islam.
>That's not hard to do - the page is does not go into great detail.
>
>Anyway, Islam is having an impact on "our" world that will affect our
>ability to freely point our cameras where we wish.
>
They will only have an impact on you if you allow them to manipulate you,
as they are doing now in this very thread. Just like any child in tantrum,
screaming for attention, the best solution is to walk away and ignore they
even exist until they learn more adult methods for getting attention.
Giving all the cultures of the middle-east the attention they want is only
encouraging them all of theme to continue to behave as childishly as they
have for the last 3000 years.
I for one refuse to let them manipulate me into anything in life. I change
the news channel, I killfile those threads. They don't deserve even this
much attention.
You will never be free as long as you allow yourself to be manipulated by
politicians and religious leaders. And those who are manipulated by them.
NameHere
They don't have to be. All they or anyone needs to do is allow all muslims,
christians, and jews to manipulate them into creating new laws, so they all
act, think, and behave just like all christians, muslims, and jews.
"Authority isn't something someone else has. It is something that you have
freely, foolishly and irresponsibly given away -- all by your little self."
NameHere
wrote:
"The 'truth' is any perception of reality that one or more people have
where they can successfully manipulate others into accepting that
perception as their own 'truth'. That is all that 'truth' is, that is all
that 'truth' has ever been. And that's the truth."
NameHere
>I post saying something about Islam,
>it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so...
>I am a hate-filled bigot!
>
>I'm not really, I just know a little more than is on the Wiki entry on Islam.
>That's not hard to do - the page is does not go into great detail.
>
>Anyway, Islam is having an impact on "our" world that will affect our
>ability to freely point our cameras where we wish.
>
They will only have an impact on you if you allow them to manipulate you,
as they are doing now in this very thread. Just like any child in tantrum,
screaming for attention, the best solution is to walk away and ignore they
even exist until they learn more adult methods for getting attention.
Giving all the cultures of the middle-east the attention they want is only
encouraging all of them to continue to behave as childishly as they have
for the last 3000 years.
I, for one, refuse to let them manipulate me into anything in life. I
Ray Fischer
>"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> <b...@myhouse.com> wrote:
>>> Neil Ellwood <cral.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>> <Fr...@Zappa.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I post saying something about Islam,
>>>>>
>>>>> Something which happens to be an evil lie.
>>>>>
>>>>>> it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so... I am a hate-filled bigot!
>>>>>
>>>>> bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed,
>>>>> belief, or opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Almost right - ' bigot - a person who agrees that every opinion is
>>>> correct, providing it is his own'.
>>>
>>> Other people's opinions are fine by me - I am actually quite tolerant
>>> of differing creeds, beliefs and opnions.
>>
>> Which, as you show just below, is a complete lie.
>>
>>> I am not tolerant of a belief system called "Islam".
>>> It has shown itself not to be worthy of my tolerating it.
>>
>> That makes you a bigot.
>>
>>> I think much in life is to be tolerated - but not Islam.
>>
>> "I think much in life is to be tolerated - but not [Judaism]."
>>
>>> What is so wrong about that?
>>
>> Nothing at all if you're a Nazi.
>
>Ray, give up the Godwin crap already!
According to morons like kerby it's not proper to call even Hitler a nazi.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Bill Graham
"John A." <jo...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:0hdij5l3vh7frqbvs...@4ax.com...
> mixed/assembled/whatever under a blanket.
>
> I guess the single-bag limit is intended to make it easier to spot an
> assemblage of items that could make up a bomb. The no-blanket rule
> should be obvious.
Obvious to you, perhaps....To me, you can assemble anything under your coat
that can be assembled under a blanket....Or in the rest room. This guy's own
father turned him in to the FBI several days before he did what he did. It's
obvious to me that our air police are a bunch of nincompoops...
Bill Graham
"NameHere" <wh...@address.info> wrote in message
news:bqpij51tr0sautci2...@4ax.com...
weg9 says: Funny.....I believe just the opposite.....I expose myself to
all opinions, especially those of my, "enemies". I want to know where they
are coming from, and why they believe what they believe, and by refusing to
listen to them, I won't be able to do that. Who knows? I might even learn
something new from them.
RichA
> On 12/28/09 6:49 PM, in article 4b395236$0$1602$742ec...@news.sonic.net,
> >>> Ray Fischer wrote:
> >>>> <Fr...@Zappa.com> wrote:
> >>>>> I post saying something about Islam,
>
> >>>> Something which happens to be an evil lie.
>
> >>>>> it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so... I am a hate-filled bigot!
>
> >>>> bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed,
> >>>> belief, or opinion.
>
> >>> Almost right - ' bigot - a person who agrees that every opinion is
> >>> correct, providing it is his own'.
>
> >> Other people's opinions are fine by me - I am actually quite tolerant
> >> of differing creeds, beliefs and opnions.
>
> > Which, as you show just below, is a complete lie.
>
> >> I am not tolerant of a belief system called "Islam".
> >> It has shown itself not to be worthy of my tolerating it.
>
> > That makes you a bigot.
>
> >> I think much in life is to be tolerated - but not Islam.
>
> > "I think much in life is to be tolerated - but not [Judaism]."
>
> >> What is so wrong about that?
>
> > Nothing at all if you're a Nazi.
>
> Ray, give up the Godwin crap already!
>
> Are you just that lazy, or stupid, or both?
Both.
RichA
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:43:23 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com>
What psycho-babble nonsense.
Michael
> I post saying something about Islam,
> it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so...
> I am a hate-filled bigot!
>
> I'm not really, I just know a little more than is on the Wiki entry on Islam.
> That's not hard to do - the page is does not go into great detail.
>
> Anyway, Islam is having an impact on "our" world that will affect our
> ability to freely point our cameras where we wish.
>
> As for my cowardly anonymous posting, I don't need everybody knowing my
> real name.
> Nowadays that's not a good idea, for many reasons.
>
> thanks
> Frank
It's the P&S Troll! Another new name, a different cause. Trolling just
the same.
--
Michael
Fr...@zappa.com
that blog is a vague gloss-over written by an apologist.
Fr...@zappa.com
I try to do that as well, and I have learned a few things. Like how to see the
ignorance both in myself, and in others - like Ray Fischer.
NameHere
I listen to them just long enough to learn if they are using
self-victimization principles or their own paranoias to try to manipulate
me to their way of thinking. Then after that has been ascertained, there is
nothing further that I might learn from them that might be beneficial to
anyone, especially myself. They then no longer exist. You can study the
witless fool's agenda if you wish, but in the end you will find nothing of
value in their existence. Been there, did that. I grew up.
NameHere
I listen to them just long enough to learn if they are using
self-victimization principles or their own paranoias to try to manipulate
me to their way of thinking. Then after that has been ascertained, there is
nothing further that I might learn from them that might be beneficial to
anyone, especially myself. They then no longer exist. You can study the
witless fool's agenda if you wish, but in the end you will find nothing of
value in their existence. Been there, did that. I grew up.
There's a small and finite amount of knowledge that anyone can learn from
the choices that a self-serving pig makes during their lifetime. (I..e. All
those that choose to support and promote any and all of the middle-east's
dichotomously manipulative self-victimizing belief systems.)
I, along with a scant few of others, have learned how to have the
will-power and foresight escape their perpetual dead-end trap of genetic
uselessness.
Ray Fischer
>I, along with a scant few of others, have learned how to have the
>will-power and foresight escape their perpetual dead-end trap of genetic
>uselessness.
Quite the eugenicist, aren't you?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
NameHere
wrote:
>On Dec 28, 9:11�pm, NameHere <w...@address.info> wrote:
Scares you, doesn't it. The "truth" of your reality is not as confirmed and
concrete as you'd like to believe. No matter how far and deep you search,
your "truth" is merely someone else's opinion. Judging by your posting
habits, the "truth" will rarely if ever be your own opinion. You're not
bright enough nor strong enough to ever think for yourself.
Peter
news:tKOdnUTWUp087KTW...@giganews.com...
You forget that some kno so much that they have only limited learning
ability, if any.
--
Peter
Peter
news:6t1jj59emtslsae8m...@4ax.com...
Your unsupported statement of opinion will be safely ignored. Especially
because it comes from someone who doesn't have the guts to let us know where
he/she is coming from.
--
Peter
Robert Coe
: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:09:40 -0800, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>
: wrote:
:
: >
: >"ray" <r...@zianet.com> wrote in message
: >>> 1 - More Islamists mucking about, saying "get that camera out of here
: >>> before I smash it!" 2 - More Police mucking about, saying "you are under
: >>> arrest for suspicious photography" while being mistaken for a terrorist,
: >>> although you are actually a local.
: >>
: >> Didn't realize the police were muslims.
: >
: >weg9 says:
: >Well, their actions support it, so open your eyes......The FAA response to
: >the recent bombing attempt was to limit your carry-ons to just one bag each,
: >and refuse to allow you to have a blanket.....So go figure.......What has
: >either one of these things to do with some Jihadist strapping a bomb to his
: >leg? It would seem to me that the terrorists have managed to recruit our
: >policemen and turn them into idiots......
:
: IIRC, the guy carried on his bomb as multiple components which he
: mixed/assembled/whatever under a blanket.
:
: I guess the single-bag limit is intended to make it easier to spot an
: assemblage of items that could make up a bomb. The no-blanket rule
: should be obvious.
But that makes it no less preposterous. This incident has been a godsend to
the U.S. Congress, allowing pompous fatheads like Joe Lieberman to bellow at
the Obama administration for not overreacting even more than they are.
Bob
Robert Coe
: I post saying something about Islam,
: I'm not really, I just know a little more than is on the Wiki entry on
: Islam. That's not hard to do - the page is does not go into great detail.
:
: Anyway, Islam is having an impact on "our" world that will affect our
: ability to freely point our cameras where we wish.
: As for my cowardly anonymous posting, I don't need everybody knowing my
: real name. Nowadays that's not a good idea, for many reasons.
:
: thanks
: Frank
If you say so, "Frank". But I've been using my real name on Usenet for 22
years, and it doesn't seem to have made any difference.
Bob
Robert Coe
: On Dec 28, 12:01�pm, Fr...@Zappa.com wrote:
: > I post saying something about Islam,
: > it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so...
: > I am a hate-filled bigot!
:
: Like the global warming kooks who keep frantically re-writing entries
: dealing with climate change. Propagandists for sinister groups.
: Until that site gets some kind of oversight, it will continue to be a
: bit of a joke in some instances.
Yes, but remember that it's not always easy to tell which kooks and
propagandists are doing the re-writing. You may recall that the Bush-Cheney
junta regularly re-wrote Wikipedia entries that they considered critical of
them. They had apparently been doing it for quite some time before they were
exposed (and may, for all we know, have not stopped doing it even then).
Bob
NameHere
Insipid milk-toast comments and fence-sitting pablum of the masses rarely
challenges anyone's preconceived ideas.
George Kerby
On 12/29/09 12:33 AM, in article 4k8jj5te203d9s0iu...@4ax.com,
"John A." <jo...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> So what's stopping you from enjoying them?
Allah.
John A.
<ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
So you're Muslim, then.
b...@myhouse.com
some weirdo could find out your phone number, address, etc. I did, but
I don't care to use it at all. Not my thing.
b...@myhouse.com
I agree.
Robert Coe
You obviously haven't read much of what I've written over the years. But how
could you? You're probably no more than 13 years old.
Bob
George Kerby
On 12/29/09 10:37 AM, in article h2ckj5t1m96vh9rrt...@4ax.com,
"John A." <jo...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
No, but I play one on television.
Bill Graham
<Fr...@Zappa.com> wrote in message
news:lv1jj59rakvngaack...@4ax.com...
weg9 says: Well, in the case of Ray, I have to admit that I kill filed him
about a year ago......I tried to reason with him for a long time before
that, but his posts wouldn't have anything to do with, "reason with". They
consisted of insults such as "rightard" and the like, with no substantive
content whatsoever, so I finally just had to kill file him.
Bill Graham
weg9 says: Yes. There are some people whose beliefs are really a
religion, and not based on any logic whatsoever.....With these, there is no
point in providing any kind of logical argument, and little to be gained by
any discussion whatsoever. But, as long as someone really believes in
another point of view than mine, and is willing to argue that point with
real intelligence, then I will try to keep up with him, and, in some cases,
I will even change my opinion to match his. Certainly, I am willing to watch
other news services than Fox. (for example) But, I find it discouraging that
others will refuse to watch Fox....:^) Or, when I mention that my source for
some fact was Fox news, they will dismiss it out of hand by disparaging the
source, rather than consider the truth/falsity of the fact in question.
Bill Graham
"John A." <jo...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:4k8jj5te203d9s0iu...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:23:18 -0600, George Kerby
> <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 12/28/09 5:22 PM, in article
>>t9fij55c75h9rug79...@4ax.com,
>>"John A." <jo...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:03:27 -0800, b...@myhouse.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:01:28 -0600, Neil Ellwood
>>>> <cral.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:32:18 +0000, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I post saying something about Islam,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bigot!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> belief, or opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Almost right - ' bigot - a person who agrees that every opinion is
>>>>> correct, providing it is his own'.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Other people's opinions are fine by me - I am actually quite tolerant
>>>> of differing creeds, beliefs and opnions.
>>>>
>>>> I am not tolerant of a belief system called "Islam".
>>>> It has shown itself not to be worthy of my tolerating it.
>>>>
>>>> I think much in life is to be tolerated - but not Islam. What is so
>>>> wrong
>>>> about that?
>>>
>>> I'm curious: can you name the minimum specific changes that would have
>>> to occur in Islam for it to become tolerable to you?
>>
>>Don't know 'bout him, but I like ham sandwiches...
>
> So what's stopping you from enjoying them?
weg9 says: In my case, the possibility that they might kill me for eating
them........:^)
Bill Graham
>>> I post saying something about Islam,
>>> I am a hate-filled bigot!
>>
>>Like the global warming kooks who keep frantically re-writing entries
>>dealing with climate change. Propagandists for sinister groups.
>>Until that site gets some kind of oversight, it will continue to be a
>>bit of a joke in some instances.
>
> where they can successfully manipulate others into accepting that
> perception as their own 'truth'. That is all that 'truth' is, that is all
> that 'truth' has ever been. And that's the truth."
>
weg9 says: Hummmm.....I wonder where the Pythagorean theorem fits into
that definition....?
Peter
>
<snip>
>Certainly, I am willing to watch other news services than Fox. (for
>example) But, I find it discouraging that others will refuse to watch
>Fox....:^) Or, when I mention that my source for some fact was Fox news,
>they will dismiss it out of hand by disparaging the source, rather than
>consider the truth/falsity of the fact in question.
Faux Noise will report objectively, about as many times as a blind squirrel
finds an acorn in the deep woods.
I don't know about you, but my time is limited. That doesn't mean I only get
my news from the left. I do try to strike some balance. When I hear the
source, I try to verify and think whether the presented fact makes sense. I
would give my eye teeth to hear a debate between Rachael Maddow and Bill
O'Reilly. (Although he has been invited several times, O'Reilly has never
accepted an invitation to debate.)
Interestingly, Karl Rove's divorce got less coverage on Fox than Tiger's
problems.
--
Peter
Somehow, for some reason I don't trust or believe Rush.
Bill Graham
"Peter" <pete...@nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:4b3a6f23$0$19443$8f2e...@news.shared-secrets.com...
weg9 says: Funny.....Bill O'reilly is always offering to debate Rachael
Maddow on his show, and is always "turned down". Maybe we should sponsor an
independent forum where we can get these people together to debate one
another on neutral ground......:^)
Bill Graham
"Peter" <pete...@nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:4b3a6f23$0$19443$8f2e...@news.shared-secrets.com...
> Interestingly, Karl Rove's divorce got less coverage on Fox than Tiger's
> problems.
weg9 says: That's not surprising. Tiger's problems have been on all the
news and comedy agendas for the last month now, and nobody has mentioned
Karl Rove or his problems.....There are just some people who are newsworthy,
and some who are not. Did Karl Rove back his Caddy into a tree too?
Peter
Isn't he the guy that masterminds political campaigns based upon "family
values." or is that a different Karl Rove?
Some are good at selecting appropriate double standards.
--
Peter
Do as I say, not what I do.
Peter
My place, or yours?
We would sell a lot of tickets. Let's rent Safeco Field for the occasion.
--
Peter
Bill Graham
Yeah.....That's the guy.....He's got his own website:
http://www.rove.com/
Peter
Nothing bashful about him. Advises Bush to increase the deficit, start two
wars and then blames the following administration for the resulting
budgetary deficit.
--
Peter
Bill Graham
Also, Rove works for Fox as a "political consultant". and news stations are
very reluctant to talk about the personal problems of their own guys.....I
remember trying to find out what happened to John Marler a few years
ago....I ran into dead ends everywhere....He and Rebecca Marshall were
married, and were a news anchor team for ABC (I think) and one day, he
suddenly disappeared....No explanation, no apparent reason.....He just
suddenly was no longer there, and nobody would tell me why or where he
went....It was as if he had never existed.....I found out later that he was
working for a station back East somewhere, but I never found out why he
broke up with Becky....
Bill Graham
weg9 says:
Well, he's a conservative, so what do you expect? I am a conservative too,
and I too blame the Democrats for the budgetary deficit. Not that the Bush
administration didn't spend too much money, but its the political philosophy
of the Democrats to tax and spend like there's no tomorrow, and to force the
banks to lend money to the poor whether they can pay it back or
not..........I pass it off by saying that Bush was no
conservative.....Certainly he spent money like a drunken democrat......:^)
But you will have to admit, when it comes to spending money, there is no
equal to Nancy Pelosi.....She is going to drive all of us into the
poorhouse.......
Peter
>
> "Peter" <pete...@nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4b3a86f8$0$19493$8f2e...@news.shared-secrets.com...
>>
>>
>> Nothing bashful about him. Advises Bush to increase the deficit, start
>> two wars and then blames the following administration for the resulting
>> budgetary deficit.
>>
>> --
>> Peter
>
> weg9 says:
> Well, he's a conservative, so what do you expect?
Are you saying conservative = double standard. :-)
> I am a conservative too, and I too blame the Democrats for the budgetary
> deficit. Not that the Bush administration didn't spend too much money, but
> its the political philosophy of the Democrats to tax and spend like
> there's no tomorrow, and to force the banks to lend money to the poor
> whether they can pay it back or not..........I pass it off by saying that
> Bush was no conservative.....Certainly he spent money like a drunken
> democrat......:^)
It wouldn't surprise me if the Bush spending wasn't with full knowledge that
they would lose in 2008 and tailored to make the Dems look like the bad
guys.
> But you will have to admit, when it comes to spending money, there is no
> equal to Nancy Pelosi.....She is going to drive all of us into the
> poorhouse.......
Fortunately, there are strong center Democrats who will stand up against
that policy and both Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are smart enough to realize
it. Pelosi doesn't run the country and Obama is turning out to be more of a
centrist than most thought. In real life, like most politicians, she says
one thing while acting differently. (As an aside, a good friend of mine had
a $75,00 a year part time job, under the Republicans. The Dems won the
county election and the new supervisor requested he resign because in they
were looking to abolish part time positions. His job was filled by two full
timers each being paid $125,00.
When our Congress is strong enough to stand up to the drug companies and
enact legislation permitting Medicare to negotiate prices, I will have a lot
more respect for our political process. Until then I say both sides are FOS.
--
Peter
Will not be pigeonholed.
NameHere
Mathematics and plane-geometry are constructs that exist only in the human
mind. Some people who work with non-planar geometry would claim that
Pythagoras and all his followers and supporters are complete loons. I have
a wonderful book written by Buckminster Fuller ("Bucky") in which he
totally disproves plane-geometry. It's an interesting read.
Bill Graham
> When our Congress is strong enough to stand up to the drug companies and
> enact legislation permitting Medicare to negotiate prices, I will have a
> lot more respect for our political process. Until then I say both sides
> are FOS.
>
>
weg9 says:
Good luck with that.....Unfortunately, the insurance companies have grown so
big that I am afraid that no one can stop them. Certainly Obama should have
let those few die when he had the chance......Interfering with the natural
selection process is never a good idea......
Peter
IIRC your reference was discredited by most reputable scholars. But, then
again there are still some who believe in a static universe.
--
Peter
NameHere
wrote:
More interestingly, I don't care who any of those people are. Outside of
the Tiger crap being spewed across the globe I actually don't know nor care
who the rest are, not even Tiger if I could have escaped being inundated
with that puerile nonsense of no importance. Those are only interesting
topics for people who don't have their own, more interesting, lives to
live.
Bill Graham
weg9 says:
Einstein refined plane geometry back in the 20's, but I will still go with
the math I know when it comes to building a stool or resolving my checkbook,
thanks....There is a difference between improving the model to cover slight
inaccuracies, (especially over astronomical distances) and, "totally
disproving" the whole science. I've known some pretty powerful mathematical
thinkers in my time, and I can tell you one thing....They were a long way
from being, "complete loons". These are the kind of people who decoded the
double helix for the biologists.......When it comes to reading the works of
mathematicians, I think I prefer Gauss to Fuller. (as far as I'm able to
understand either of them)
NameHere
wrote:
And they should. Because from my own findings there never was any "Big
Bang" nor will there be the "Gnab Gib". Both situations are occuring at all
times in all parts of the universe. The universe is not changing in size.
It is merely seething in upon itself through the core of every black-hole.
The matter falling into a black-hole now has nothing to impede its
acceleration. As it reaches the speed of light it then comes back into
existence as those large empty pockets of space that exists between all
galactic clusters. They are somewhat correct that as matter attains the
speed of light it will have infinite mass and exist everywhere, but not
quite. It just becomes these vastly huge pockets of "empty" space. Look at
any diagram of the charted galaxy positions and you'll see these large
bubbles of empty space. The black-holes acting like the 1/2 twist in a 3D
space much like the region in a Klein Bottle where its neck passes back
through itself to join again with the base. Matter then reforms out of this
empty space, popping into existence as sub-atomics. It's all rather
eloquent how it works. (I also find it a little humorous that dark-matter
comes from the heart of black-holes.)The only reason you perceive the
universe as getting larger is due to your limited human perceptions, you
are only allowed to view and experience the universe in one temporal
direction. Always viewing things downstream if you will, where the water is
always rushing away from you.
NameHere
I'm not claiming plane-geometry to be an untruth. It's a truth for those
that want to use that particular tool for their required tasks. I'm only
saying that some people won't see it as the only truth. And some might see
it as no truth at all. For them, they will be correct. So, we are back at
"what is truth". My original comment on that still stands.
George Kerby
On 12/29/09 4:47 PM, in article
4b3a86f8$0$19493$8f2e...@news.shared-secrets.com, "Peter"
<pete...@nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
Get down in the postulant festering hole with Fish-Head Rot, ya moronic
sac-o-sheeite!
George Kerby
On 12/29/09 5:29 PM, in article
4b3a90cd$0$19486$8f2e...@news.shared-secrets.com, "Peter"
<pete...@nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
Absolute disconnect with Reality. Welcome to Marshmellowville, shit for
brains.
Peter
Please share your findings.
--
Peter
Peter
Tiger sell snuggies & cameras, etc.
--
Peter
Peter
news:C76003B5.3B1AE%ghost_...@hotmail.com...
Good reasoning, well argued. Nothing like an intelligent discourse. Your
comments are very persuasive.
--
Peter
Robert Coe
: "NameHere" <wh...@address.info> wrote in message
"The torque of the dork is equal to the ..."
Robert Coe
: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:52:15 -0500, "Peter" <pete...@nospamoptonline.net>
This may surprise you, but some of us in this newsgroup actually know some
physics. You're lucky that none of us have the time or inclination to take you
on. You are WAY out of your depth.
Bob
NameHere
Translation: He can't refute it.
Ray Fischer
>
>"John A." <jo...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>news:4k8jj5te203d9s0iu...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:23:18 -0600, George Kerby
>> <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 12/28/09 5:22 PM, in article
>>>t9fij55c75h9rug79...@4ax.com,
>>>"John A." <jo...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:03:27 -0800, b...@myhouse.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:01:28 -0600, Neil Ellwood
>>>>> <cral.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:32:18 +0000, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <Fr...@Zappa.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I post saying something about Islam,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so... I am a hate-filled
>>>>>>>> bigot!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> belief, or opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Almost right - ' bigot - a person who agrees that every opinion is
>>>>>> correct, providing it is his own'.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Other people's opinions are fine by me - I am actually quite tolerant
>>>>> of differing creeds, beliefs and opnions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not tolerant of a belief system called "Islam".
>>>>> It has shown itself not to be worthy of my tolerating it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think much in life is to be tolerated - but not Islam. What is so
>>>>> wrong
>>>>> about that?
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious: can you name the minimum specific changes that would have
>>>> to occur in Islam for it to become tolerable to you?
>>>
>>>Don't know 'bout him, but I like ham sandwiches...
>>
>> So what's stopping you from enjoying them?
>
>weg9 says: In my case, the possibility that they might kill me for eating
>them........:^)
Do you hate just Musims, or Jews too?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
b...@myhouse.com
>
>Do you hate just Musims, or Jews too?
I dislike twats like "Ray Fischer" who engages in ad hominem attacks instead of using logic to make a point.
Because "Ray Fischer" may not be familiar with logic. And he's a cunt.
Frank ess
Heh.
Ray Fischer
>>Do you hate just Musims, or Jews too?
>
>I dislike twats like "Ray Fischer" who engages in ad hominem attacks instead of using logic to make a point.
98% on the irony meter.
If Graham hates Muslims because they don't allow pork then it follows
that he also hates Jews for the same reason.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
b...@myhouse.com
I don't think anyone here hates Muslims or Jews at all.
Peter
news:4b3af091$0$1662$742e...@news.sonic.net...
But if your premise is false, it follows that you are going to drink so much
tomorrow night, that you will actually make a constructive comment.
--
Peter
Allen
Allen
Ray Fischer
You don't think. You're just some kneejerk asshole.
I am not tolerant of a belief system called "Islam".
It has shown itself not to be worthy of my tolerating it.
I think much in life is to be tolerated - but not Islam.
That's from a few posts back in this thread.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
George Kerby
On 12/29/09 10:11 PM, in article diklj5527nefaikso...@4ax.com,
"b...@myhouse.com" <b...@myhouse.com> wrote:
I second that emotion: Cunt. Meeting adjourned!
George Kerby
On 12/30/09 12:17 AM, in article 4b3af091$0$1662$742e...@news.sonic.net,
"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote:
Hey, dumbass. Who owns most of the Delis in NYC? What do they serve?
Maroon!
b...@myhouse.com
I third it! Cunt, indeed! However, this meeting may never be adjourned -
I tried that a while back, and it hangs in there like cooler-slime or anal warts!
krishnananda
George Kerby <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Koreans. They serve whatever they want to. Usually some of the best kim
chee in the world on their steam tables. Your point? And this has what
to do with photography?
(F.U. set to alt.usenet.kooks)
Bill Graham
<b...@myhouse.com> wrote in message
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weg9 says: I could care less what anyone eats or refuses to eat, and I only
hate illogic.....I believe all human beings are born politically equal. I
only hate people for cause, and never for origin, or for anything beyond
their control.
Bill Graham
weg9 says: After I left NYC in 1952, I spent 44 years looking for a
decent pastrami sandwich......I didn't find one until I found Kornblatts in
Portland in 1996. Another thing I can't find is anyone who knows how to
make a decent chocolate ice cream soda.....(The world is going to hell in a
hand basket.....:^)
Savageduck
Do you mean you can't get an egg cream in Portland?
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Ray Fischer
>"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> <b...@myhouse.com> wrote:
>>>> Do you hate just Musims, or Jews too?
>>>
>>> I dislike twats like "Ray Fischer" who engages in ad hominem attacks instead
>>> of using logic to make a point.
>>
>> 98% on the irony meter.
>>
>> If Graham hates Muslims because they don't allow pork then it follows
>> that he also hates Jews for the same reason.
>
>Hey, dumbass. Who owns most of the Delis in NYC? What do they serve?
Another "senior" moment, kryby? Do you really think that your little
rant is relevant to anything at all?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Bill Graham
"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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weg9 says: I don't know what an egg cream is, but the things they sell
out West that they call "Ice Cream Sodas" are terrible. They don't know that
you have to mix the chocolate syrup with a bit of ice cream before you put
in the soda water.....they just mix the soda water with the syrup and then
add the ice cream afterward. This is classic, "incorrect" when it comes to
making ice cream sodas.....I am afraid that it is a lost art......
Savageduck
>
> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
> news:2009123015335770933-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
>> On 2009-12-30 14:27:01 -0800, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> said:
<-----------------------Le Snip------------------------------------->
>>>
>>> weg9 says: After I left NYC in 1952, I spent 44 years looking for a
>>> decent pastrami sandwich......I didn't find one until I found
>>> Kornblatts in Portland in 1996. Another thing I can't find is anyone
>>> who knows how to make a decent chocolate ice cream soda.....(The world
>>> is going to hell in a hand basket.....:^)
>>
>> Do you mean you can't get an egg cream in Portland?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Savageduck
>>
>
> weg9 says: I don't know what an egg cream is, but the things they
> sell out West that they call "Ice Cream Sodas" are terrible. They don't
> know that you have to mix the chocolate syrup with a bit of ice cream
> before you put in the soda water.....they just mix the soda water with
> the syrup and then add the ice cream afterward. This is classic,
> "incorrect" when it comes to making ice cream sodas.....I am afraid
> that it is a lost art......
An egg cream is a NYC delight, no eggs & no cream, as somebody who
lived in NYC, and frequented delis, I would have thought you would be
familiar with that beverage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_cream
--
Regards,
Savageduck
George Kerby
On 12/30/09 5:37 PM, in article 4b3be44b$0$1604$742e...@news.sonic.net,
"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote:
"Mirror, mirror, on the wall. Who's the hypocrite larger than all?"
Bulls eye, FishHead-Rot.
Bill Graham
They look and sound good, but I didn't hear of them while I lived in the NYC
metropolitan area.....I first heard of them after 1960 sometime, when I was
living in San Francisco......I did drink something like that when I was
young.....It was a chocolate soda made without ice cream......kind of a
mixture of milk, chocolate syrup and carbonated water, but I forget what it
was called..... When I was growing up, I really wasn't a "New York City"
person....I grew up in Lynbrook, on Long Island, just outside the New York
City limits, in Nassau County, so there are a few NYC traditions that I am
unfamiliar with.
Peter
>
>
> weg9 says: I don't know what an egg cream is, but the things they sell
> out West that they call "Ice Cream Sodas" are terrible. They don't know
> that you have to mix the chocolate syrup with a bit of ice cream before
> you put in the soda water.....they just mix the soda water with the syrup
> and then add the ice cream afterward. This is classic, "incorrect" when it
> comes to making ice cream sodas.....I am afraid that it is a lost
> art......
It is not a lost art, here on the Isle of Long.
--
Peter
Peter
>
> An egg cream is a NYC delight, no eggs & no cream, as somebody who lived
> in NYC, and frequented delis, I would have thought you would be familiar
> with that beverage.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_cream
>
A proper egg cream can only be made with Foxes-U-Bet syrup. It is impossible
to get a decent one outside of NYC. If you try, most will look at you as if
you had two heads.
--
Peter