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fre...@n0.spam.tumsan.fi

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Nov 6, 2001, 7:38:56 AM11/6/01
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hi,
i bought a used EOS 10 recently. of course it came without the manual so i have been learning
how it works just with trial and error.
i still have some questions:
Av and Tv seem to be auto aperture / auto shutter respectively. that is, the dial adjusts
the shutter/aperture (respectively) and the rest is automatic. (is this correct?)
-whats the difference between P and Tv? it seems to me that P just lets me adjust the
aperture and the rest is automatic. is it perhaps that P will not allow me to go beyond
what the EOS considers "minimum usable" settings? the Av and Tv settings seem to let me go
as far as the camera itself is technically capable of.
-the DEP setting. i gathered that this allows me to set focus onto two objects and the EOS
does its best to get both in focus. how do i use this?
-the setting that has an image of a shaking camera on it. does this simply attempt to use
the fastest possible shutter speed? is there any real difference between this and using
for example the P setting and just putting shutter to fastest possible?
-the barcode thingy. has anyone (canon?) scanned the barcodes and put them online anywhere?
finding the little booklet with the barcodes is probably nearly impossible.

and last but not least, the settings identified by a picture of a portrait, landscape, flower,
etc. ive mostly used manual cameras, but i know these are pretty standard automatic camera
settings. can anyone tell me what these in fact _do_? i know the portrait is for portraits,
the flower is supposedly for macro shots, etc. but what do they, technically speaking, do?

thanks for any info,
fred
(remove the n0.spam from my email address if you reply to me directly)

Malcolm Stewart

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Nov 6, 2001, 9:17:54 AM11/6/01
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> hi,
> i bought a used EOS 10 recently. of course it came without the manual so i
have been learning
> how it works just with trial and error.
> i still have some questions:
> Av and Tv seem to be auto aperture / auto shutter respectively. that is,
the dial adjusts
> the shutter/aperture (respectively) and the rest is automatic. (is this
>correct?)

Yes

> -whats the difference between P and Tv? it seems to me that P just lets me
>adjust the
> aperture and the rest is automatic. is it perhaps that P will not allow me
>to go beyond
> what the EOS considers "minimum usable" settings? the Av and Tv settings
>seem to let me go
> as far as the camera itself is technically capable of.

P is fully programmed, and the camera will select aperture and shutter speed
over the whole range depending on film speed and light level.

> -the DEP setting. i gathered that this allows me to set focus onto two
>objects and the EOS
> does its best to get both in focus. how do i use this?

After setting DEP, and 1 focus point, focus on one point of interest by half
depressing shutter
button, focus on other point of interest, camera will then calculate optimum
aperture and tell you what shutter speed will be set. A tripod may be
necessary. 3rd press will take the photograph. Only used mine once! Don't
think it matters which order you select in. (i.e. furthest first, or nearest
first.) If you have 3 focus points selected and covering the extremities of
your subject, the camera will work out how to set the lens aperture and
shutter from one press. (dep1 and dep2 should be seen in the viewfinder
during the process.)

> -the setting that has an image of a shaking camera on it. does this simply
>attempt to use
> the fastest possible shutter speed? is there any real difference between
>this and using
> for example the P setting and just putting shutter to fastest possible?

Uses lens focal length info to warn if your shutter speed is lower than
1/focal length.

> -the barcode thingy. has anyone (canon?) scanned the barcodes and put them
>online anywhere?
> finding the little booklet with the barcodes is probably nearly
>impossible.

Now that I've got both books, I see them quite often. There is info on the
web but I couldn't get the associated bar-code printer to work with my
printer. A pretty useless gimmick but which does allow you to set the
camera in ways unavailable any other way!

> and last but not least, the settings identified by a picture of a
>portrait, landscape, flower,
> etc. ive mostly used manual cameras, but i know these are pretty standard
>automatic camera
> settings. can anyone tell me what these in fact _do_? i know the portrait
>is for portraits,
> the flower is supposedly for macro shots, etc. but what do they,
>technically speaking, do?

Not sure of what happens in detail here.

One thing you need to know is that if you set the camera to AI Servo
focusing so as to track moving objects, this camera locks the shutter
release until it has acquired focus. So the first shot should be in focus.
After it has acquired focus lock it will allow subsequent shots which may be
in or out of focus. (Other Canon cameras allow shooting in this mode before
focus has been achieved.)

I reckon it's one of Canon's best older cameras with its fast 5 fps motor
drive,
and 2 columns of DX code contacts so that the camera knows how long your
film is, and doesn't rewind prematurely as on two samples I had of the
EOS50E. There is a small, low cost, handgrip adaptor which helps if you
prefer a larger grip area. I've found the evaluative metering pretty
reliable.
Flash metering uses TTL and again, mine has worked well. Seems to be quite
a tough body. I assume you've discovered how to move the selected focus
point from left through centre to right, and auto? And how the exposure
memory works, and how to set the intervalometer? There are 15 or 16 custom
functions depending whether you've got the QD model.

Georg Eisenmann

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Nov 6, 2001, 12:25:22 PM11/6/01
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Fred,

You should call your Finnish Canon customer service and ask them for
instructions - sometimes these are free. Here in Germany they charge about 6
Euros.

I once had the bar code booklets and never used them. They work the same
way as the picture modes: Different combinations of aperture/shutter
speed/auto-flash, AF mode and fps settings, i.e. in the sports mode you get
no flash, 5 fps, AI servo and a certain minimum shutter speed (I think),
whereas in portait mode the flash will always be on, the AF is one shot
etc.

Good luck, yes it's a good camera and in many aspects the predecessor of the
EOS 5.

Regards


Georg
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dan

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Nov 6, 2001, 1:50:36 PM11/6/01
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Online 10s manual available here:
http://teladesign.com/photo/10s-instructions.html

Canon EOS barcode generator here:
http://home5.inet.tele.dk/deepo/barcode.html

May the Light be with you.©
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dan

dan

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Nov 6, 2001, 6:25:46 PM11/6/01
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>
> Malcolm Stewart wrote:
>
> snip
> A pretty useless gimmick (barcodes)

> but which does allow you to set the camera
> in ways unavailable any other way!
> snip
>

Could you explain this a little more
and give a few examples please.

Malcolm Stewart

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Nov 7, 2001, 4:20:34 AM11/7/01
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Can't remember the exact details now, but I think it set up some of the
"idiot" modes in different ways to the default. If I find the books again
I'll check them out.

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Malcolm Stewart

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Nov 7, 2001, 6:16:04 AM11/7/01
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Memory was wrong. Using the barcode you can bias the metering to
"High-light" or "Shadow" modes which are not available except via this
route. I guess it uses the evaluative sensors and pegs the highlight or
shadow at about the appropriate point.
Could be useful to have the camera set up in barcode and "High-light"
metering. Moving off barcode would allow fully normal metering etc.,
switching to barcode position you'd then get metering for highlights and
slide shots of high contrast street scenes ought to come out just right!
Similarly selecting "shadow" and using negative film should also get spot on
exposures pegged to the shadow point.
There are two booklets:-
1- EOS PHOTO FILES 23 examples. Small enough to carry easily, and supplied
with the barcode reader/transmitter.
2- EOS BARCODES 101 101 examples plus the special barcode to clear the
system. About A6, a bit too large for my pockets.

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M Stewart Milton Keynes, UK

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> Can't remember the exact details now, but I think it set up some of the
> "idiot" modes in different ways to the default. If I find the books again
> I'll check them out.
> --
> M Stewart Milton Keynes, UK
>
> dan <eos1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fb603482.01110...@posting.google.com...
> > >
> >

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