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jriegle

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Dec 26, 2001, 8:52:30 PM12/26/01
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Custom framing does get expensive! Sounds like you are having done what it
known as conservation mounting. The artwork is put into a frame that uses PH
balanced matboard and other materials to preserve the art being framed. Also
part of conservation framing is the way the art is mounted in the frame. It
must be mounted so that it can be removed with no damage to the art itself.
Often they use acid free Mylar corner pockets for this. The cost of
conservation framing can be expensive.

A question for you is do you really want or need conservation framing? Does
the print have monetary or sentimental value? Do you want it to last to pass
on to your children or is it for decoration and will be replaced after 10 or
15 years?

Take a stroll through any antique shop and see the poor condition of some of
framed art is in and you can see how conservation framing will prolong the
life of your art. HOWEVER, Those pictures were around before homes had air
conditioning and had to endure hot humid summers and dry winters. The
materials then were high in acid content. Today's framing materials that are
not acid free are pretty safe for most framing work. I've had lot's of
framing work done. I don't use conservation framing unless the piece is
valuable or has some other importance.

Another reason the custom framing is expensive is the molding used. You may
have picked an expensive molding, say $10 per foot. If your print is 11x14
and you have 4" boarder (matting) all the way around, the framer will need
to build a molding that fits 19x22 matts and glass (neglecting cropping).
Say the frame is 1" wide, the framer will need no less than 90" or 7.5 feet
of molding = $75 at $10 per foot. Given the labor fees and the other framing
materials, the price can get quite high. You might try looking for a less
expensive molding.

Last but not least, Some of those ritzy "gallery" stores can be pricey. I
use a small mom and pop store with low overhead. They do just as good job
and use the same brand of materials.

Hope this helps, John

Chris Keath <un...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What rates do you pay for getting your photo's framed?
>
> This was the first time I had a picture framed. The quote for
> simple black frame, acid free ragmat, 8 ply mat with uv musuem glass
> was $210.
>
> To get the non-glare UV, in my case, I needed this as the room
> has alot of sunlight coming in during the day, brought the total
> cost to $290. I was sticker shocked!
>
> The print itself is 11x14 with 4 inch borders. arghh....


Sanjay Nasta

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Dec 26, 2001, 11:28:41 PM12/26/01
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Wow! That is expensive. I've gone to doing it myself or getting a kit from
www.americanframe.com. I just ordered a wood frame, mat board, backer
board, UV protective plexiglass at 11x14 size for under $40. This is a
gift that is going to ship is one of the reasons for the plexiglass. I've
bought 11x14 non-glare glass (don't know if its museum glass...from what
I've heard most museum's don't use non-glare glass because it affects the
sharpness of the picture) from the local craft store for $7.00.


Even conservation material from Light Impressions is a whole lot cheaper
than the store.

Bought the book:

"Home Book of Picture Framing : Professional Secrets of Mounting Matting,
Framing and Displaying Artworks, Photographs, Posters, Fabrics,
Collectibles"

to get me started

Matt Clara

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Dec 27, 2001, 11:33:41 AM12/27/01
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www.americanframe.com It has some problems all its own, but cost is seldom
one of them (at least not compared to a Frame shop).
Matt


"Chris Keath" <un...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What rates do you pay for getting your photo's framed?
>
> This was the first time I had a picture framed. The quote for
> simple black frame, acid free ragmat, 8 ply mat with uv musuem glass
> was $210.
>
> To get the non-glare UV, in my case, I needed this as the room
> has alot of sunlight coming in during the day, brought the total
> cost to $290. I was sticker shocked!
>
> The print itself is 11x14 with 4 inch borders. arghh....


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Don Allen

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Dec 27, 2001, 2:05:53 PM12/27/01
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For what it is worth, for portraits I like to have the prints done with a
lustre spray and then mounted. I then buy a frame and do not use glass. The
spray protects the print just fine and the prints tend to "pop out" at you in a
way that is much more appealing than being behind glass. The cost is much
less, and all I need is a standard frame (typically $39 for a 20x24 print).
God Bless,

Don Allen
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Tony Spadaro

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Dec 27, 2001, 1:36:23 PM12/27/01
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I've been getting mine from documounts.com lately. American frame will
send 5 frames, all supposedly the exact same size and two will be too large,
while two will be too small. When I call them on this they start with an
excuse - "Those were the sizes you requested" meaning -- "I don't want any
shit from you and would prefer you got off the phone".

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Matt Clara

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Dec 27, 2001, 7:20:23 PM12/27/01
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"Tony Spadaro" <tspa...@ncmaps.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I've been getting mine from documounts.com lately. American frame will
> send 5 frames, all supposedly the exact same size and two will be too
large,
> while two will be too small. When I call them on this they start with an
> excuse - "Those were the sizes you requested" meaning -- "I don't want any
> shit from you and would prefer you got off the phone".
>

Those are the problems!


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Dirk Graddy

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Dec 28, 2001, 12:39:14 PM12/28/01
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The frames I've seen at AmericanFrame and Light Impressions do not include
any kind of dust cover over the entire back of the frame. They all seem to
have just a backing for the picture held in by some type of hardware. Does
anyone put a paper dust cover over the back of the frame to seal it
completely? What type of paper (regular kraft paper) adhesive is used?

Thx,
DG

"Chris Keath" <un...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>
> I considered doing it myself but to invest in quality tools, etc
> vs. how often I will be framing pushed me to have the picture
> framed "professionally". The print only cost me $110.
>
> If I was to go the same route next time, I'd probably end up getting
> my frames from AmericanFrame and the mats, etc from Light Impressions.
>
> Anyone know who carries Tru Vue glass custom cut to size. If my frame
> size is not the convential sizes, 11x14, 16x20, etc but I wish to use
> Tru Vue glare control glass, where can I get glass in a custom cut
> size. Seeing the UV non glare vs. just UV, it's a night and day
> difference. The glare control in my opinion looks that much better
> when handeling reflected light. Does it warrant the extra $80 charged
> by a framer is a different story.

Phil Tobias

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Dec 28, 2001, 11:41:30 PM12/28/01
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>>Does anyone put a paper dust cover over the back of the frame to seal it
completely? What type of paper (regular kraft paper) adhesive is used?

Typically, ATG tape is used. This is the two sided tape that is dispensed off
a roll with a trigger-operated device.
You then lay on a piece of kraft paper. You can trim it off with a
straight-edge and blade, or better yet a nifty little $8.00 gadget that gives
clean margins.
Finally, wet the kraft paper with a mist from a water bottle. When it redrys,
it will be tight as a drum.

Hope that helps. ...pt

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EDGY01

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Jan 2, 2002, 1:16:30 PM1/2/02
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Alas, the NEXT problem with being a photographer (or having one in the
household)....framing!

If you are truly generating a lot of stuff that merits framing, or give your
pictures as gifts to people, you may really want to consider doing it yourself.

The pros and cons:

Initial investment in hardware is high. (The most expensive item would be
either the mitre saw for the frames themselves or the frame nailer (corner).
Other items are actually reasonable. Also recall that framing MATERIALS are
never cheap (glass, matt board, frame material)...

Pros include getting it done to your level of quality, and on your schedule,
and to any size you choose.

When you think that printing things is expensive, you fail to recognize the
next step or two in that process,--framing costs (higher) and ultimately,
WALLS. Do you have enough WALLS to display all that stuff?? That's the pricy
part.

Dan Lindsay
santa Barbara

Bob Hickey

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Jan 2, 2002, 6:12:28 PM1/2/02
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I'm always on the lookout for framed pictures; some can be had
cheaply, if the pictures don't sell. I just throw the pictures out and
use the frame. Pearl Paint sells glass in 12 paks. But Nielson mats have
me beat. Cost a ton everywhere. Bob Hickey

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