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Charles F Seyferlich

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Jun 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/14/99
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Scott Comeau wrote:
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> Hi All !
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> Can anyone please tell me the most used Nikon SLR to report on the
> Vietnam War ?
>
> Thanks All !

F

M. Bergman

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Simple, the SLR was the Nikon F but the Leica M3 was also very popular.

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Scott Comeau

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DWA652

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>F
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The reply above, has got to be the ultimate post in this NG. One letter. "F".
And a correct answer I presume! Give the man an "A" in conciseness!

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Colyn

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On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:39:20 -0700, "M. Bergman" <mb5...@navix.net>
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>Simple, the SLR was the Nikon F but the Leica M3 was also very popular.
>
>

Thinking back, I would have to say the most common cameras I saw
during my 14 month tour was the Nikon F and F2, Leica M3/2, and
believe it or not, Pentax Spotmatic F.. Not far behind was the Alpa
and Minolta......

Colyn

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On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:31:52 GMT, s...@nh.ultranet.com (Scott Comeau)
wrote:

>Hi All !
>
>Can anyone please tell me the most used Nikon SLR to report on the
>Vietnam War ?
>
>Thanks All !

The most common Nikon used was the F followed by the F2..

BONEZ147

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Good question, I would say a NikonF3

Mcgchrs

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F3? which war are you thinking about?

Kill All Spammers

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In article <19990615000139...@ng-fa1.aol.com>, BONEZ147 <bone...@aol.com> wrote:
>Good question, I would say a NikonF3

The F3 was introduced in 1980.

The war ended in 1974 (I think; I'm pretty sure I was 10 years old at
the time). Do the math. There were no F3's in Vietnam during the
war. There were none anywhere in the world during the war.

Some others have said that the F2 was among the most common. It was
introduced in fall of 1971. Most of the war was before that and so
would be during the F era. I would have to guess that there were a lot
more F Photomics than F2's in Vietnam during the war.

I would expect that there were probably a lot of Leica M's there as
well since that was still a very popular photojournalist camera at the
time from what I've been able to gather.

Still, whenever I see a photographer in a movie about Vietnam, be it
fiction or real footage, they always seem to be holding an F Photomic.

--KAS

Steve

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s...@nh.ultranet.com (Scott Comeau) writes:
>Hi All !
>Can anyone please tell me the most used Nikon SLR to report on the
>Vietnam War ?
>Thanks All !

Hi Scott, When I was there in '69, the only Nikons I saw were Fs and F
Photomics. I noticed a lot of Leicas (M3s?), too. HTH -- steve

Todd & Sharon Peach

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Kill All Spammers wrote:

<<<<<<<<snip>>>>>>>


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> Still, whenever I see a photographer in a movie about Vietnam, be it
> fiction or real footage, they always seem to be holding an F Photomic.

I agree with everything said in the above post, but it seems like I
associate the bare-bones F with eye-level prism (the ultimate
Y2K-compliant camera) as the one seen in the war footage. Real men use
sunny 16.

-Todd
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In article <19990615091136...@ngol08.aol.com>,
>I was there in 1965-66 and 1968-1969. My recollection is of F and F
Photomics as far as Nikons go.


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David Bindle

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Scott Comeau wrote:
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> Hi All !
>
> Can anyone please tell me the most used Nikon SLR to report on the
> Vietnam War ?
>
> Thanks All !

As a side note...
check out this book...

AUTHOR Faas, Horst.
TITLE Requiem : by the photographers who died in Vietnam and
Indochina / edited by Horst Faas and Tim Page.
PUBLISHED New York : Random House, c1997.

It documents many, many photographers works with commentaries on how
they lived ... and died. There are quite a few pictures of the
photographers with their cameras, many of which I can't identify myself.
F, F2 for SLR's, Larry Burrows and his M3's, other rangefinders that I
can't identify.
Another rangefinder I see that's not been identified here is the Nikon
(S2???) but of course... these are not SLR's

The book is a solem, heavy, read...

David Bindle

Colyn

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On 15 Jun 1999 04:43:49 GMT, bil...@West.Sun.COM.no.sp@m (Kill All
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>I would have to guess that there were a lot
>more F Photomics than F2's in Vietnam during the war.
>

You are correct in saying there were more F's than F2's since the F2
was introduced late in the war but seldom did you see a photomic F as
these cameras were bounced around a lot and the meter was too
fragile.. Nearly all F's used had the basic eye level finder and
metering was done by guess..


>
>Still, whenever I see a photographer in a movie about Vietnam, be it
>fiction or real footage, they always seem to be holding an F Photomic.
>
>

That's Hollywood for you, they don't do their research....

Mcgchrs

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Jun 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/15/99
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If you see the new Austin Powers movie, you'll notice his F (sans Motordrive)
in one scene getting fired in continuous mode and the distict MD sound! Yeah
hollywood!

Fred Whitlock

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Actually, the Nikon F and the Nikkormat were the only Nikons
available in 1969 so you wouldn't have been able to shoot
any other Nikon SLR's. (Well I forgot about the Nikkorex
but I couldn't imagine a serious photographer using a
Nikorrex back then.) Good shooting.

Fred
Maplewood Photography
http://www.maplewootphoto.com

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>Kill All Spammers wrote:
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><<<<<<<<snip>>>>>>>
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>> Still, whenever I see a photographer in a movie about
Vietnam, be it
>> fiction or real footage, they always seem to be holding
an F Photomic.
>

QueTalent

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Jun 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/16/99
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As a Vietnam veteran I can attest to the fact that a goodly number of
photojournalists used the Nikon F, especially the black model. It wasn't as
easily seen in the jungle. Many photographers covered the front of their
chrome Nikons with green or black tape as a form of camflage. My F went
through most of my tour with me and functioned perfectly then and for years
afterward. When I did have it cleaned the tech told me it was the dirtiest
camera he had ever seen that was still working! I still have my faithful 1967
F and it still takes the best pictures of any camera I have.

Michael B.

Kyle Cassidy

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Jun 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/16/99
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Colyn (colyn....@airmail.net) wrote:
: On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:31:52 GMT, s...@nh.ultranet.com (Scott Comeau)

: wrote:
:
: >Hi All !
: >
: >Can anyone please tell me the most used Nikon SLR to report on the
: >Vietnam War ?
: >
: >Thanks All !
: The most common Nikon used was the F followed by the F2..


probably the F followed by the Nikkormat -- the f2 didn't come out till
like '74. in any event, if you check out the very fabululous book
"requium" which came out last year, there's quite a blurb about nikon f'2
and leica m3's in there. there's also lots of shots of guys neck deep in
mud holding f's and lenses so caked in mud you can barely tell what they
are. there's also a shot of a guy w/ a nikkormat.

also, don mcullum's book "sleeping with ghosts" has a blurb about his F's
during vietnam, as does, i'm sure every other book about photography in
vietnam.

kc

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Ppestis

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>Some others have said that the F2 was among the most common. It was
>introduced in fall of 1971. Most of the war was before that and so
>would be during the F era. I would have to guess that there were a lot

>more F Photomics than F2's in Vietnam during the war.

Never saw an F2, only F's with prisms. P.S. there was plenty of war in 71 and
after!!

Brian George

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I think I remember seeing a Nikon F or F2 photomic in an old National
Geographic at about that time in Vietnam.
brian-


Colyn

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On 16 Jun 1999 23:36:53 GMT, ppe...@aol.com (Ppestis) wrote:


>>Never saw an F2, only F's with prisms. P.S. there was plenty of war in 71 and
>after!!
>>
>
>

I left in 71 only seeing a couple of F2's but returned during the evac
in 75 and saw quiet a few of them..

PurpHrtVet

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I carried an old M3 2 stroke, kept it in a plastic bag...still shoots like
new...

Joe McCary

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On 16 Jun 1999 21:15:12 GMT, cas...@netaxs.com (Kyle Cassidy) wrote:


|"requium" which came out last year, there's quite a blurb about nikon f'2
|and leica m3's in there. there's also lots of shots of guys neck deep in


Why does everyone insist these Leicas are M3s? Leica had introduced
the M2 and M4 by early 70s. I suspect given the view frame (M2 has
35mm frame; M3 has 50mm frame) of the M2 that many Leicas seen were
M2.

Joe McCary

M. Bergman

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Jun 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/20/99
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My memory falters but I recall many were M3s because they had auxiliary view
finders (when ever you see a picture of a 'Nam Photographer). Also the M3
with the life size window was much quicker and easier to focus over the M2
and M4. The M2 was considered a cheaper camera at the time and the M4
wasn't made in great numbers (and came out rather late for the war). So
most Leicas in 'Nam were probably M3s.

Since this thread started I have been trying to think of the name of one
famous API Photographer who used M3 Leicas. He was of oriental descent and
was killed late in the war.


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Colyn

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On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 12:29:33 GMT, mcc...@erols.com (Joe McCary) wrote:


>Why does everyone insist these Leicas are M3s? Leica had introduced
>the M2 and M4 by early 70s. I suspect given the view frame (M2 has
>35mm frame; M3 has 50mm frame) of the M2 that many Leicas seen were
>M2.
>
>Joe McCary
>
>
>

As a journalist who spent 14 months in country, I can speak from
experiance when I say there were more M3's used than M2's.. The M3 was
more popular with journalist...... If you will think about it, the MP
was basicly a doublestroke M3 with M2 film counter and a winder.. The
MP2 was a M2 but was not as popular as the MP..

Colyn

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On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 08:43:00 -0700, "M. Bergman" <mb5...@navix.net>
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>


>Since this thread started I have been trying to think of the name of one
>famous API Photographer who used M3 Leicas. He was of oriental descent and
>was killed late in the war.
>
>

If I recall, the person you are referring to was from Korea.. I don't
remember his name but Larry Burrows was probably the most famous
[Vietnam] war shooter who used the M3..

Jens Treptow

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Jul 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/2/99
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Well, it is ver interesting discussion -- but would you tell me how You came
to this question. I am very curious ...
Jens

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Nicholas O. Lindan

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Scott Comeau schrieb in Nachricht
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> >Can anyone please tell me the most used Nikon SLR to report on the
> >Vietnam War ?

F2 came out at the time it was winding down

Nikkormats aren't Nikons

So it has to be an F

Kevin Krumwiede

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In article <37826428...@ix.netcom.com>, noli...@ix.netcom.com
says...

> Nikkormats aren't Nikons

Explain this remark to a clueless Canon user...

Krum

EDGY01

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Sorry. Nikkormats ARE Nikons. My Nikkormat has the word "Nikon" engraved upon
it, and it was manufactured by Nikon. I value it as much as my F5s.

GLMeador

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Jul 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/7/99
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"Nikkormats are not Nikons."
This may sound strange to anyone who became aware of the Nikon name after
1981, but not to the old timers.
Nippon Kogaku Kogyu Kaisha was formed in 1917. In 1918, Nippon Kogaku (Japan
Optical) opened a plant to produce optical equipment. During the 1930's and
later, they produced lenses. They even built lenses for use on Canon cameras.
"Nikkor" was the name coined for lenses in 1932.
In 1947, they tested their rangefinder camera, the NI(ppon)KO(gaku)N. So,
"Nikon" was a camera, not a company.
The system SLR camera introduced in 1959 was the Nikon F. Other cameras were
the Nikkorex and Nikkormat. Indeed, not all cameras produced by Nippon Kogaku
were Nikons.
While the Nikon F series were the professional line, the Nikkormats (spelled
Nikomat outside of the USA) had less features and were less expensive models
for those who wanted access to the Nikkor lenses. (Yes, Ricoh also made a
camera with the Nikon F mount that provided access to the Nikkors at a
competitive price in those days.)
The Nikkormat FT3 was the last of its manual series, and the ELW Nikkormat
was the final autoexposure version. The EL2 replaced the ELW in 1977, and was
inscribed with 'Nikon' on the nameplate. The FM was also introduced in 1977,
and likewise displayed the 'Nikon' label.
In 1981, Nippon Kogaku changed its name to Nikon Inc. After that, it could
be said that all cameras made by Nikon Inc. are Nikons.

Hope this helps!
Gary L. Meador
Odessa, TX

Nicholas O. Lindan

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Jul 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/7/99
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Oooooh. EDGY, please stop beeing so edgy.

Please tell your Nikkormat I'm so sorry.

'Course, you know an FM2 or F100 is really a Nikkormat.

And I don't value them nearly as much as MY F5.

Call em what you will, value them what you want, it's all point of view,
and everyone's view is different - praise the Lord.

Nick Lindan

WmHearn

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Right! a Nikkormat EL is one of the most useful Nikons. It accepts all the old
(and new) Nikon lenses with auto shutter and is quite reliable.

JK

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Jul 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/12/99
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vietnam war? Do you mean when they were fighting against Chinese, French
or American invaders? Makes a difference y'know.


j...@p.com

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Guess you mean the American war against Vietnam? Would have to be the F
for the majority of the time and F2 in the latter years before they got
whupped.

Lots of love

S


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