Manfrotto 190 vs 055 (? Bogen 3001 vs 3021)
Lim Meng Shi
Manfrotto <-> Bogen conversion chart but I couldn't find it now so I'm
going to try here...
Is the Manfrotto 190 (Mini Pro Tripod) the same as Bogen 3001, and
similarly 055 -> 3021?
I've got the Manfrotto catalog but I haven't actually touched or felt
a real one. So I have a few questions...
1) Are the "black" parts of the tripod joints are made of metal or
polycarbonate
2) How sturdy are the Manfrottos compared to Gitzos? Do they have the
kind of solid feel that the Gitzos have?
3) I'm thinking of getting the 055 (?Bogen 3021) as a general purpose
tripod. It seems to have quite a good reputation and has been in
production for quite a while. Most people in the newsgroups seem to
recommend this. However, has anyone travelled with this?
4) How are the ball heads? I'm thinking of getting the 168 (? Bogen
equivalent). It is called the Heavy Duty Ballhead and has a
quick-release. Any opinions?
5) Any opinion on the Manfrotto 190 (?Bogen 3001). From the catalog
they look almost identical apart from the specs. Is the 190 just as
sturdy?
6) How sturdy are their QR adaptors/heads? I presume the adaptors can
be used on other brands of quick-releaseLESS tripod head if they have
the same size screw. Right? (I know about the proprietary hexagonal
plates). BTW, the screw size on most 35mm cameras is the 1/4" type
isn't it?
7) What is the advantage of a hexagonal plate vs a conventional
rectangular one?
Thanks.
Lim Meng Shi
>5) Any opinion on the Manfrotto 190 (?Bogen 3001). From the catalog
>they look almost identical apart from the specs. Is the 190 just as
>sturdy?
I might add that I'll be using this with a Nikon N60 and my current
heaviest lens is the light weight 70-300/ ED AF-D :-)
Dr Harvey Lloyd-Thomas
>
> OK, I tried Manfrotto's site which I think used to have a
> Manfrotto <-> Bogen conversion chart but I couldn't find it now so I'm
> going to try here...
>
> Is the Manfrotto 190 (Mini Pro Tripod) the same as Bogen 3001, and
> similarly 055 -> 3021?
>
Yes the above is correct.
--
Harvey
Michael DeKelver
Lim Meng Shi wrote in message <3699fa43...@nntp.jaring.my>...
Manfrotto 190 is a good for traveller/home/studio, not terribly heavy. I
like the quick release legs, 3 position spread, split post. I bought a kit
with 141RC head and also use my 70-300 with good results. If it is for
studio, though, get something heavier.
Michael DeKelver
mich...@newforce.cz
<reply to .ca, not .cz>
Jean-Benoit Turgeon
>polycarbonate
It depends. Most of the black parts are made of metal covered with thick
pain. Handles are made of polycarbonate material.
>2) How sturdy are the Manfrottos compared to Gitzos? Do they have the
>kind of solid feel that the Gitzos have?
They do feel solid but haven't compared with the Gitzo's
>3) I'm thinking of getting the 055 (?Bogen 3021) as a general purpose
>tripod. It seems to have quite a good reputation and has been in
>production for quite a while. Most people in the newsgroups seem to
>recommend this. However, has anyone travelled with this?
I wouldn't go backpacking with a 055 which is why I bought the 190 (I'll be
travelling for a few months with it!)
>5) Any opinion on the Manfrotto 190 (?Bogen 3001). From the catalog
>they look almost identical apart from the specs. Is the 190 just as
>sturdy?
If you plan to work in a studio and do short expeditions (a day and less), I
would go with the 055 (the 190 is lighter but a bit less stable). If
travelling is a must, look for the Gitzo 1228 or opt for the Manfrotto190.
- Jean-Benoit
Vézina
I use this tripod with a 70-200 2,8 and I think its the best for what I
do: I walk a lot so I dont want a heavy tripod, but I need a good one.
It's «all-terrain», you can adjust the legs as wish, easily. It's heavy
duty to my opinion, maybe not as big pro tripods, but as I said, I could
not carry a heavy thing with me. I think that its a great tripod for the
price, especially with the 141RC head. The head(141 RC) works great except
that it would be good to have a level. It's easy to place and once you
lock it into position, it wont move.
Jed
I've used the 055 and played around quite a lot with the 190. I used the
heavy duty ball head for a period of time, and I've had the chance to toy
around with a couple of carbon fibre Gitzos with Arca-swiss monoballs. My
offerings:
Lim Meng Shi wrote:
> 1) Are the "black" parts of the tripod joints are made of metal or
> polycarbonate
In the 055 the polycarbonate parts are the locking handles of the legs.
Other than that it's all aluminium/steel, unless you have the modified
version of the 055 which has a dual centre column, in which case the upper
lock is polycarbonate/rubber. The locking peg for the main centre column
is definitely metal.
> 2) How sturdy are the Manfrottos compared to Gitzos? Do they have the
> kind of solid feel that the Gitzos have?
Very, as far as I'm concerned. The leg sections as the change-over points
are a bit wobbly, but once you settle the legs down and let the tripod
rest, it's wonderful. IMO the main difference between Gitzo and Manfrotto
is the weight and price. If you can't pay, get the Manfrotto. If you can't
carry, get the Gitzo. If like me you can't pay and you can't carry, then
you'll have to grab the best compromise.
> 3) I'm thinking of getting the 055 (?Bogen 3021) as a general purpose
> tripod. It seems to have quite a good reputation and has been in
> production for quite a while. Most people in the newsgroups seem to
> recommend this. However, has anyone travelled with this?
I have, and it's HEAVY. It's fine once I check it in cause then I don't
have to worry about it until I arrive, but other than that... it's heavy.
I check it in with a Cullman padded bag, and so far it's travelled in
excellent condition. I might choose to remove the heads though...
> 4) How are the ball heads? I'm thinking of getting the 168 (? Bogen
> equivalent). It is called the Heavy Duty Ballhead and has a
> quick-release. Any opinions?
IMO the ball heads are not up to scratch (not smooth), but that's only if
you compare them with ultra-expensive ones like the B-1. I liked the Heavy
Duty (which looks ridiculously oversized on the 190), because the Hex
plate is far more stable than the rest of the Manfrotto plates, and the
plate is large which gave added stability between camera and plate. I
didn't like the fact that the plate was large and pointy... no option to
leave it on camera all the time.
> 5) Any opinion on the Manfrotto 190 (?Bogen 3001). From the catalog
> they look almost identical apart from the specs. Is the 190 just as
> sturdy?
Depends on your equipment. If you're going to heavy load your tripod,
seriously look at the 055. If the 70-300 is the heaviest you are going to
go, the 190 will probably be fine, though IMO that lens needs a tripod
collar, light polycarbonate or not. The moment you have something long
sticking out, your lens mount is going to be under stress, and the law of
moments is going to be affecting your tripod stability.
> 6) How sturdy are their QR adaptors/heads? I presume the adaptors can
> be used on other brands of quick-releaseLESS tripod head if they have
> the same size screw. Right? (I know about the proprietary hexagonal
> plates). BTW, the screw size on most 35mm cameras is the 1/4" type
> isn't it?
Personally I don't trust the adaptors. They're one additional moving part
to worry about. Manfrotto QR plates are average at best, and have a
problem with the camera slipping on the cork (which tears the cork out of
alignment in humid environs like Singapore and Malaysia) when you flop the
head vertical. Like you will have to with the 70-300 since it doesn't have
a tripod collar. To prevent this you really need a custom fit QR plate
with a flange (can you say Really Right Stuff?). Because of the cork
layer, camera-plate stability is not really up to scratch all the time,
and will be a problem if you mount the camera with a long lens like the
70-300. Mounting the lens solves this problem. Again, solution is RRS, but
that entails a B-1, which I haven't the budget for at present.
> 7) What is the advantage of a hexagonal plate vs a conventional
> rectangular one?
No idea. But I know that there's absolutely no play between plate and
tripod head, if it helps.
For casual shooting the Manfrotto heads are fine. I'm pretty confident my
Manfrotto tripod legs can stand up to anything, though.
FS
hand grips on both legs, retractable spike (rubber feet and steel spike), green in color, new leg-locking
mechanism.
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Matthew Endo
> You should try the 190NAT which has improved features to 190 such as
> comfortable non-slip, insulated hand grips on both legs, retractable spike
> (rubber feet and steel spike), green in color, new leg-locking mechanism.
How much is the price of the 190NAT? I have not seen it (Bogen 3205G)
in the B&H catalog.
> Please use the following address if you want to Email me:
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Francisco Grilo
It's the best thing you can buy, all made off metal, a very good tripod,
unless......
.....you have to carry it. I think I should have bought the 190/168.
Now I have the smallest Gitzo there is. A perfect, light and solid tripod
(and expensive).
It's like comparing Nikon with Leica. Both very good, but Leica......
Francisco
Barry P. Evans
×You should try the 190NAT which has improved features to 190 such as
comfortable non-slip, insulated
×hand grips on both legs, retractable spike (rubber feet and steel
spike), green in color, new leg-locking
×mechanism.
What is the Bogen model number of this tripod?
Manfrotto 190NAT = ####L Bogen
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