N90s owners, have you had this problem?
Chuck Ross
of a roll, a batter got hit in the head with a pitched ball. I got it
on film, and shot another one or two of him going down, then the film
ran out.
I rewound the film and grabbed another roll to shoot the commotion, but
when I loaded the film,
I
could
not
get
the
film
to
load!!
I tried maybe 30-40 times, and it would not load. Kept getting the "0"
error and a sort of "gerlunk" sound. I removed that roll and stuck in another
new roll...same problem. I was sweating bullets.
Finally, I took the film out, fired off a couple of blank shots and tried
again. Worked perfectly! Later, the other roll that wouldn't load loaded
fine.
This was pretty exasperating. It happened once before, but finally did
load after about ten tries.
Anyone have this problem with an N90s (or other Nikon auto-load? The
camera is pretty new and usually loads bing-bang-bong.
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Peter Chew
Never had any problem..........
except the flash connection.......
but that is another story
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Perry White
equipment to N90S. I can load an OM in the dark with onehand while
I'm swimming upstream in rapids. But when I try to QUICKLY load a
N90S the film mis-loads.
It's the switching-over from manual to automatic, once again.
Automatic anything can rarely do it better than a true expert using
manual. It can beat-out a non-expert, and it can beat-out a tired
expert. But I must learn to let the N90S have its way when loading
film (and other chores which can only be done automatically on this
camera) and I must slow-down a bit to get the film placed just so,
before closing the back.
It's frustrating. But so is the fact that Nikon lenses bayonet on&off
in the reverse direction from all other cameras, and Nikon manual
focusing rings turn in the direction opposite to most other cameras.
I stopped shooting the N90S and the OM's in any single heated session,
because these differences completely interrupted any shooting rhythm.
Perry White
What in thundering tarnation?!?!?
(and don't call me "Chief")
Mrwed96
just right for take-up. It's funny, I thought the N-90s would speed up and
simplify my photography. However, it has slowed me down a bit. BUT, I have
found this to be a positive thing in most cases. (The film load thing is a bit
frustrating, though.)
Steve Roberts
problem.
I have three Nikon N8008s camera bodies and I love them. They serve me well
& until recently I could say they never acted up. All of the functions work
perfectly MOST of the time....About a month ago I finished a roll of film
and began to load a new roll. The camera just didn't want to cooperate. I
tried all sorts of adjustments to the film leader, turned the camera on and
off repeatedly, tried different types of film, different lenses, changed the
Mode, Drive, and AF settings, everything I could think of. Each time I shut
the back and pressed the shutter button the film icon in the LCD panel
flashed and the beeper sounded. I was sooooo glad that this didn't happen
in the middle of an important event. It boggled my mind that after so many
months, this camera would suddenly do this.
Then for no apparent reason, after about 25 attempts, the camera started to
work again. It has never acted up since. One thing that I did after the
incident was install fresh batteries. This is a good thing to do
periodically to ensure optimal focusing and overall camera performance. My
guess is there was some minor electrical problem with the camera (possibly
from low battery power) that prevented the film from loading. At any rate,
I now carry a manual camera with me as a backup in such emergencies.
One final note: I still love my N8008s
-Kimberly Roberts
Richard Wong
listen to the film wind instead. I can tell when to replace the batteries
before the camera starts acting up.
Joe Costanza
Chuck Ross wrote in message ...
>
>Finally, I took the film out, fired off a couple of blank shots and tried
>again. Worked perfectly! Later, the other roll that wouldn't load loaded
>fine.
>
I have had that problem once in a while when the shutter sort of hangs up on
a partial last frame, and the dreaded "err" message blinks away in the LCD.
The easy fix is to rewind, then fire off a few blank shots, like you did.
Regards,
joe
Chuck Ross
bil...@West.Sun.COM.no.sp@m (Kill All Spammers) wrote:
> In article <ckross-0508...@207-229-149-67.d.enteract.com>,
Chuck Ross <ckr...@MYPANTSenteract.com> wrote:
> >I could not get the film to load!! I tried maybe 30-40 times, and it
> >would not load. Kept getting the "0" error and a sort of "gerlunk"
> >sound. I removed that roll and stuck in another new roll...same
> >problem. I was sweating bullets. Finally, I took the film out, fired
> >off a couple of blank shots and tried again. Worked perfectly! Later,
> >the other roll that wouldn't load loaded fine. This was pretty
> >exasperating. It happened once before, but finally did load after about
> >ten tries. Anyone have this problem with an N90s (or other Nikon
> >auto-load? The camera is pretty new and usually loads bing-bang-bong.
>
> When I was first getting used to it I had this problem a couple of
> times. For me, it was always that I didn't have the leader in exactly
> the right spot. It's pretty picky about that leader position and the
> film has to be totally flat as does the lip on the film cannister
> (otherwise the leader moves when you close the door). You also have to
> make sure that the door is closed completely. I've gotten used to it
> and never have this problem anymore.
>
> --KAS
Aw, I tried putting the leader in every which way, every possible spot,
making sure it grabbed a tooth, etc., but no luck at all. When I
finally closed the back and fired a couple of blanks, I just stuck the
film in and it loaded, like it should, like it always does. The batteries
were ok too, I am fairly sure; I had just replaced them with fresh
ones about a week before.
But I'm glad to know others have had this happen...I thought the camera
might have needed service.
Not that it matters much any more, but several Canons have -never-
exhibited this problem over quite a few years. They always load like
magic.
Kill All Spammers
Todd & Sharon Peach
>
> Last evening, I was shooting a Little League game, and near the end
> of a roll, a batter got hit in the head with a pitched ball. I got it
> on film, and shot another one or two of him going down, then the film
> ran out.
>
> I rewound the film and grabbed another roll to shoot the commotion, but
> when I loaded the film,
>
> could
> not
> get
> the
> film
> to
> load!!
>
> I tried maybe 30-40 times, and it would not load. Kept getting the "0"
> error and a sort of "gerlunk" sound. I removed that roll and stuck in another
> new roll...same problem. I was sweating bullets.
>
> Finally, I took the film out, fired off a couple of blank shots and tried
> again. Worked perfectly! Later, the other roll that wouldn't load loaded
> fine.
>
> This was pretty exasperating. It happened once before, but finally did
> load after about ten tries.
>
> Anyone have this problem with an N90s (or other Nikon auto-load? The
> camera is pretty new and usually loads bing-bang-bong.
I had this happen to me (once only), and my theory is : aborted rewind
cycle.
You're in a hurry, you hit the rewind buttons (c'mon, c'mon, c'mon!) as
soon as you hear the rewind motor change pitch (at last!), you open the
door and try to load your new film. My experience with this was really
weird, of course it wouldn't load normally (two experienced
photographers tried a bunch of times); we were finally able to load the
camera the old fashioned way. Just like an old 'MF' camera (insert
whatever you feel like for 'MF'), feed a 'fat amount' of leader at the
take-up spool, close the back and fire the camera 3 times to advance to
frame one (I was sure it was still loaded wrong untill I got the film
back).
To get back to the theory, I think the N90s is sensitive about
completing it's rewind cycle. If you're in a hurry, you're tempted to
open the back just before the camera thinks the rewind cycle is done.
Once you've done that, the camera loses it's 'MF' mind (I think you know
what to insert there), and just hangs up. The next time this happens to
me (if ever), I'll start another rewind cycle (i.e., push the two red
buttons again) and let it complete, then proceed normally.
-Todd
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the point where they start beeping till they're fully empty I can shoot abt
20 shots. Not on high speed though, only on single drive mode. And the LCD
then still says full batteries.
On average, 17 rolls of film (36 slides) on 4 AA batteries
Robert Bodde
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This may not apply to your F/N90s ! (But then again it might !)
I have found that my F100 is quite choosy over when it will and will
not load/take-up the film !
My findings are that if i pull the tip of the film leader slightly
past the red indicator mark, Then the camera will 99% of the time NOT
take-up the film/leader,
However, If i don't pull the leader quite up to the red indicator mark
(Say between 1-5mm) then the camera will 99% of the time take-up the
leader/film !
The results of my findings are that if one is in a rush and cannot
line up the leader tip exactly with the red indicator mark, Then it is
better to pull the leader just short of the red mark (Rather than just
past it !)
Hope this info is relevant to your small problem !!!
ILNikonFan
Chuck Ross wrote in message ...
>bil...@West.Sun.COM.no.sp@m (Kill All Spammers) wrote:
>But I'm glad to know others have had this happen...I thought the camera
>might have needed service.
>
>
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Chuck:
Your camera may need service. Check with Nikon Service in Morton Grove, IL.
My N90s has never been that fussy with leader palcement and I haven't
read/heard the same problem from several hundred F90/N90s users in the last
two years. Better to have someone look at it than sweat bullets in the
field. Hope that you didn't sweat all over your equipment, my Lord !
When that happens again, try taking the "tried but true" fix. Remove the
batteries for a few minutes and then reinsert with same batteries or fresh
ones. I think that you can figure out why you should do that. Reloading the
film for 30 tries is a waste of time.
take care,
Jim
Bensenville, IL
Chuck Ross
We've corresponded a bit on this in E-mail, but I believe I have SOLVED
THE PROBLEM, AND WAS ABLE TO DUPLICATE THE ERROR!!
This morning, just for kicks, I thought I would try to see if my idea,
suggested by another e-mail writer, that the camera was opened prematurely
after rewind and did not allow the camera to complete the rewind cycle could
be duplicated.
So, I loaded a roll of my favorite test film (an old Seattle Film roll)
and fired off 20 shots, then rewound the film, but OPENED THE BACK BEFORE
THE CYCLE COMPLETED. The little "film icon" was showing in the LCD, and
stayed there.
When I retrieved the leader from the film can, I reloaded it into the
camera and sure enough, THE CAMERA REFUSED TO LOAD AGAIN! I tried it maybe
6-7 times, then simply pressed the rewind buttons to trigger the rewind
cycle again, this time waiting till completion, then reloaded the film.
BA-DA-BOOM! The camera loaded perfectly and quickly!
So, that's the answer, kiddies! DON'T RUSH THE REWIND CYCLE!
Thanks to all who submitted input on this rather frustrating problem!
Chuck
In article <7oikcr$2...@journal.concentric.net>, "ILNikonFan"
Chuck Ross
rewind automatically stops, confirm frame counter shows E, and film
installagion symbol blinks for a few seconds."
Amazing! If only we read the stupid manuals!!
In article <ckross-0808...@207-229-148-175.d.enteract.com>,
ILNikonFan
Chuck Ross wrote in message ...
>rewind automatically stops, confirm frame counter shows E, and film
>installagion symbol blinks for a few seconds."
>
>Amazing! If only we read the stupid manuals!!
>
Chuck:
I checked the manual and you are, of course,right. The Magic Lantern guide
does not mention it other than the E symbol appears and the motor switches
off. I still believe that the microprocessor memory does get corrupted if
the back is opened prematurely. It still "thinks" that the film is not
fully rewound after the cassette is removed. This is a new one for the list
of N90s quirks.
Gee..........my FM2n never does that <g>.
regards,
Jim
Anders Frederiksen
news:ckross-0808...@207-229-148-175.d.enteract.com...
> WHAT'S MORE, IT'S IN THE MANUAL!!! On page 26, Illustration 3..."After
> rewind automatically stops, confirm frame counter shows E, and film
> installagion symbol blinks for a few seconds."
>
> Amazing! If only we read the stupid manuals!!
Yep! (but who wants to RTFM?)
Bu why the h. don't the N90 automaticly load/rewind the film like the
"cheap" Nikons? I do not see any advantages!
Anders
RediTroll
operator error. What happens is you open the back before the rewind is
completely finished (blinking "E"on the LCD). The habbit of many photogs,
myself included, is to open once the noise has stopped. But the quirk with the
N90 is that it takes a moment to catch up with itself. If you open the back
before the little "E" is blinking, then you have to close the back and push the
2 rewind buttons again. It takes a few seconds and the "E" starts to blink,
problem solved and fire away.
Chuck Ross
redi...@aol.com (RediTroll) wrote:
CORRECT! I verified this by replicating the problem. Also, believe it or
not, it's mentioned in the manual! A little vaguely, perhaps. but it's
there.