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Hassel Weems

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May 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/17/99
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I have been asked to shoot a wedding, (that is take the pictures - this
is not a shotgun wedding).
The couple understands that all I have is digital, a CP950. I have tried
to talk them out of it, but they want me to do the pics for them. I have
explained the drawbacks, and that I would rather they hired someone to
shoot at least 35mm, but money is an issue, and all I will charge is the
cost of the larger CF card I will need to do the job and the cost of
prints.

Is there any advice anyone can give me to help make these pictures the
best possible? I have 2 good external flashes, a good tripod, and 3
photo floods w/stands, is there any other equipment I will need?

Thanks,
Hassel


Jim Zimmerlin

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Hassel Weems wrote:
> I have been asked to shoot a wedding...

> I have 2 good external flashes, a good tripod, and 3
> photo floods w/stands, is there any other equipment I will need?


How about a Tuxedo, a nice pair of shoes, and a haircut?
(See if you can bill the client for that, too!)

Hassel Weems

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May 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/17/99
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You mean I have to wear shoes?

Claude Kalid

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May 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/18/99
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Humm, what would I do if I were in your shoes...

1) I'd go to the wedding hall ahead of time (with my 950) to scout out
the location. Take note of the type and intensity of the lighting... the
size of the rooms... where people are likely to congregate... make note
of suitable backgrounds for posed shots... etc.

2) Take a few test shots for composition and exposure (ask a couple of
the employees to pose for you).

3) Go to Home Depot and get yourself a few clip-on quartz-holigen work
lights (very cheap). Set them up discreetly as possible around the hall
bouncing the light off of the ceiling to give your shots a warmer, more
professional effect than the on-camera flash would by itself. You can
move these around as needed to give you some control of the lighting. (I
think you may find moving light stands around during the wedding a
little cumbersome).

4) Use the LCD zoom function of the 950 to check your shots for sharp
focus.

Good luck!

CK


Hassel Weems wrote:
>
> I have been asked to shoot a wedding, (that is take the pictures - this
> is not a shotgun wedding).
> The couple understands that all I have is digital, a CP950. I have tried
> to talk them out of it, but they want me to do the pics for them. I have
> explained the drawbacks, and that I would rather they hired someone to
> shoot at least 35mm, but money is an issue, and all I will charge is the
> cost of the larger CF card I will need to do the job and the cost of
> prints.
>
> Is there any advice anyone can give me to help make these pictures the

> best possible? I have 2 good external flashes, a good tripod, and 3


> photo floods w/stands, is there any other equipment I will need?
>

> Thanks,
> Hassel

dmterp

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May 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/18/99
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5/17/99

Hi Hassel,

There are no circumstances where I would do a wedding with new
equipment and no experience on how a wedding should be photographed.

I have shot a good 600 plus weddings in my day and let me tell you the
things that go wrong are infinite. Without experience you are behind
the eight ball and are headed toward losing a friend or two.

Don't do it, no matter how much they plead with you. I know of too
many cases where real friendships were put under stress with similar
situations.

Remember, the photographer is expected to offer guidance to the
wedding party in shooting the staged formal shots, the kiss at the
altar, the processional and recessional, the cake cutting, throwing
the flowers and the toast, the members of the immediate famlies,
friends of the bride and groom. And know enough if someone gets drunk,
to not shoot a picture. Women with half their clothes off are very
embarrased after the affair if there is a record of their behavior.

These among others. They're going to be very unhappy if someone is
picking their nose, shows a pettycoat or has mussed up hair in an
important picture. A pro will see these things, you won't.

Let me assure you, wedding photography looks easy, but it's far from
that. If you go through with it, a lot will be expeced of you after
it's over and you can't reshoot. Where is the picture of Uncle Louis,
Aunt Jane or Uncle Tom's grandchildren? Remember, you don't know
these people from ADAM.

I don't know what this wedding is costing them, but they could
certainly afford a photographer even if he only did the ceremony.

Again, I say, DON'T DO IT!!!! Both you and they will be sorry.

Say your camera is in the repair shop. Get out of it no matter what!!

Regards.

Don
dmt...@mindspring.com

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In <3741A0C3...@hasselweems.com> Hassel Weems <has...@hasselweems.com> writes:

> Yes, I will have my notebook with me, and hopefully have an opportunity to use
> it. My plan is once things get started is to get my wife to download one card
> while I am filling another. I should be able to get several hundred pictures
> this way, plus the benefit of seeing the pictures on larger screen.

> BTW, I took a little trip around your site, it is impressive. I've never really
> followed the Grateful Dead, but I certainly can appreciate good art work.

The latest issue of "Videomaker" Magazine has some tips on
shooting weddings. One bit of advice they offer is to buy some
wedding photography planning software (apparently such software
exists!) and use it to plan the shots and make sure you get all
the important ones. Given that you'll have a notebook computer
with you, the software idea ought to work well.

You could probably also browse the net for wedding photography
sites and put together a checklist of the various photos you
really want to get.

-Brett


TriSchulte

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May 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/18/99
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<< I have been asked to shoot a wedding, (that is take the pictures - this
is not a shotgun wedding).
The couple understands that all I have is digital, a CP950. I have tried
to talk them out of it, but they want me to do the pics for them. I have
explained the drawbacks, and that I would rather they hired someone to
shoot at least 35mm, but money is an issue, and all I will charge is the
cost of the larger CF card I will need to do the job and the cost of
prints.

Is there any advice anyone can give me to help make these pictures the
best possible? I have 2 good external flashes, a good tripod, and 3
photo floods w/stands, is there any other equipment I will need?

Thanks,
Hassel >>

Make sure the external flash works well, since the CP950 is well known for
"red-eyes".
How about renting a 35mm camera w/ external flash hooked up to portable
powerpack?

IM Cool

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May 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/18/99
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Practice! (People (closeups & groups), things, with little lite & lots of lite,
low sun, sun overhead (facial shadows...always a killer for noon weddings) Get a
bunch of friends together first, and shoot away!
IM (an amateur who shot a lot of weddings, and sweated every one!)
--
IM Coolâ„¢
http://www.imcool.com
imc...@imcool.com
TriSchulte wrote in message
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>Is there any advice anyone can give me to help make these pictures the
>best possible? I have 2 good external flashes, a good tripod, and 3
>photo floods w/stands, is there any other equipment I will need?
snip


David L. Morel

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May 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/18/99
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i was at my local camera shop and they had a few wedding photography
books...really nice ideas and tips available...

taking candids...remenber to fill the frame! get good faces... scout the
site...get ideas prior and write them down...

best of luck!!

david morel
www.themorels.com


Bryan

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I think it is a great idea. We spent 2000$ on our photographer. I
think a digital photographer could not only cut costs, but you can
take more pictures for less money. Also the customer can HAVE all
their pictures on disk. Every picture we wanted cost extra. If I was a
better photographer I would try this as a side job. There are people
out there that aren't as picky as my wife and who will be willing to
pay a lot less. Heck, if you put those digital pics in the 300$
leather album, I bet nobody will know the difference.

On 18 May 1999 05:13:05 GMT, fredb...@aol.com (FredBillie) wrote:

>>From: Hassel Weems <has...@hasselweems.com>
>>Date: Mon, May 17, 1999 3:39 PM
>>Message-id: <37407E80...@hasselweems.com>
>>
>>I have been asked to shoot a wedding, (that is take the pictures - this
>>is not a shotgun wedding).
>>The couple understands that all I have is digital, a CP950. I have tried
>>to talk them out of it, but they want me to do the pics for them. I have
>>explained the drawbacks, and that I would rather they hired someone to
>>shoot at least 35mm, but money is an issue, and all I will charge is the
>>cost of the larger CF card I will need to do the job and the cost of
>>prints.
>>

>>Is there any advice anyone can give me to help make these pictures the
>>best possible? I have 2 good external flashes, a good tripod, and 3
>>photo floods w/stands, is there any other equipment I will need?
>>

>>Thanks,
>>Hassel
>
>Yes, beg, borrow or steal a good 35 MM camera and take duplicate shots!
>(Please, no flames from 950 users,) This is only a precaution if something goes
>wrong and you screw up with the digital, as fine a camera as it is.


Bryan

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May 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/18/99
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Why do they care. In a couple of years they will be divorced and the
pics will be just be a memory of a bad mistake.

Bryan

On 18 May 1999 13:39:27 GMT, usa...@aol.com (USA1955) wrote:

>It's a shame that a couple getting married would consider having someone with
>no experience,no equipment and no knowledge of photography or his digital
>camera document their most important event together..Ifyou fear you will mess
>up with your Coolpix 950 and have no experience
>with 35mm why would you even be recruited for this venture ?


Daniel H Lauring

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I'll probably get flamed for this, since this is rec.photo.digital, but if I
were going to risk someones memories I'd bring along my Canon Elan IIe and a
dozen rolls of film. I wouldn't not use the 950. I'd just make sure I got
lots of shots with the Elan to go with it. The 950 would be great for
reception candids but I'd count on the 35mm for the portrait and group
shots. That way they'd have lots of resolution for blowing those pics up if
they'd like.

To tell you the truth, I consider myself a pretty good photographer, yet I
might politely decline such an invitation. If I thought it was me or no
photographer at all I might consider. This is a big responsibility.

Good luck, whatever you decide.

Danny

Hassel Weems wrote in message <374185EA...@hasselweems.com>...
>I wouldn't quite say that I have no experience, no equipment, no knowledge
of
>photography or my digital equipment

>To answer your question, I was recruited for this venture because I shot
some
>very good portraits of this couple on Valentine's day. They simply do not
have
>the money to pay for an established wedding photographer, so they have
asked me,
>a friend who they know can take a good portrait, to photograph their
wedding.
>
>My original question was for some helpful advice on how to make these
pictures
>the best possible. Do you have any suggestions?


IM Cool

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50-50 chance! <ouch>
IMBryan wrote in message <3742d486...@news.gte.net>...

>Why do they care. In a couple of years they will be divorced and the
>pics will be just be a memory of a bad mistake.
snip


IM Cool

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I agree. With 30+ years of (admittedly amateur) film shooting, and 6 months of
digicam, I would not let a pro photog shoot my wedding primarily with a digicam.
Great for a backup when used by the amateur photogs in the audience. But not for
the prime shots. Not if you truly want them the pictures you expect from a pro.
Of course, my pro would not be using 35mm either...I've seen the difference (boy
am I leaving myself open for flames).Daniel H Lauring wrote in message <7hsqo5$t7k$1...@ramp2.tir.com>...

>I'll probably get flamed for this, since this is rec.photo.digital, but if I
>were going to risk someones memories I'd bring along my Canon Elan IIe and a
>dozen rolls of film. I wouldn't not use the 950.
snip


Timothy Pender

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Get lots of batteries!!!
And Have FUN!!!

Tim Pender


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theodore

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You don't mention how "formal" a wedding this is going to be.

Wedding photography for formal weddings is a skilled craft not to be
attempted by the non-professional. But not all weddings are like that, and
not all couples want that kind of photography.

If the wedding is going to be a less formal affair, where the traditional,
posed shots are not so crucial, you might do very well with the digital
camera and some creative, candid shots.

As an example, I was recently invited to friend's sort of new-age informal
wedding. They had no pro photographer hired for the event (money reasons, I
suspect). And while they didn't specifically ask me to, I decided to take a
bunch of pictures (about 450 altogether) with a 950. (I think taking 450
shots over a 2-day event is about the minimum anyone should consider, and
it's absolutely no bother with a laptop and PC card adapter.)

Let me tell you a couple of things that were possible because the pictures
were digital:

1) Near the end of the last event, as people were milling around and getting
ready to go home, I cornered several of the older relatives, sat them down
in front my laptop, and had them identify all the clearly visible
individuals in the pictures (I have a system for quickly flipping through
pictures and tagging them with names). Yes, it took maybe an hour or two
altogether, but every person in every one of the pictures got identified.
How many traditional wedding photographers using film can do that? It would
take months to get those pictures identified by mailing film around, and it
just wouldn't get done because the effort and expense would be too great.

2) Overnight between the first and second days, I sorted the images, picked
about 20 of the best ones and printed out 8x10s of these, which I gave to
the couple on the second day. They took them on their honeymoon and told me
they had a great time showing them to people they met, etc. Would a pro
photographer do that using film? How much did that alone add to their
enjoyment of the pictures? And every one of those 8x10's was a respectable
photograph, some of them were very fine indeed: The 950 is capable of that,
no question about it. (Sure, someone skilled in the art will pick the
digital print from a mile away, but who cares? The average person thinks
they are just very nice photographs.)

3) By the day after the wedding, every single one of the 450 photographs
including the names of the people in them were posted on my web side (also a
graded selection of about 40 of the best ones, so people didn't have to wade
through all the bad ones if they didn't want to). This allowed far-flung
friends and relatives all over the world to see the pictures before the
guests even got home.
How many pro photographers provide a web site with all the pictures on it?

Now, they didn't hire me, they actually didn't really know I was even doing
this until I handed them the stack of 8x10's, and, no, they didn't get any
fancy posed shots. But they got a number of very good pictures of the kids
playing, the maypole dance, the dignified older gentlemen of the family,
etc. I think they have a record of the people and moods of their wedding
that will stand the test of time, and isn't that what photography is about?

Had this been a traditional, formal wedding, my photography could have been
a disaster (I'm not a wedding photographer, and I don't *do* boring posed
shots). But not all weddings are formal like that, and not all couples want
those posed shots. And, even for formal weddings, a few good candid shots
can make all the difference! For example, my brother had what was
undoubtedly a shockingly expensive formal wedding at the Bel Air Hotel in
Beverly Hills. The photographer brought more equipment than they used to
make Star Wars (including a lovely assistant). About a month later we got
the 4 inch thick book of samples to choose from, with a fee of $17.50 for
each 5x7 print we wanted. After leafing through it, we respectfully
declined to order any, because frankly they were all totally uninteresting
to say the least. Who NEEDs this stuff? Instead I have on my office wall a
picture of my brother rolling his eyes up that is priceless, and one of the
best pictures I've ever taken of my daughter. Either one of those is worth
more than all the pro shots put together, in my ever so humble opinion.
(And, of course, all the friends and relatives who couldn't come saw my
300-odd pictures the next day on the web site, and are probably still
waiting to see any of the pro shots.)

As for the warning that this could ruin your friendship with these people,
well, that's certainly a risk, but it can be mitigated by making sure they
understand exactly what you are and aren't going to do for them. If you
don't know how to do posed shots, just tell them that and make sure they
understand what that means. If they don't like it, they can find someone
else.

At my own wedding we didn't have a pro photographer, just some friends
taking pictures and video taping (we spent the money on a really good
professional fireworks show instead, and if you ask me it was a far better
use of a few kilobucks). Sure, some of the pictures are dumb, and maybe the
video tape does concentrate a bit much on one side of the family, but who
cares?

I say go for it. Tell them what you're going to do, and don't feel bad if
it's not what a hired gun would do. After all, you're not a hired gun.

Theodore Gray

P.S. I don't think I should post these people's wedding pictures so
publicly, but if anyone wants to see the web site in question, email me
privately.

P.P.S. As for your question about what equipment to use, I say keep it
simple. External flash, yes, but unless you really want to try for the
fancy formal pictures, why bring more? What is much more important is AT
LEAST 3 or 4 sets of batteries and a rapid charger (or several extra sets of
Lithium disposables). DO NOT run out of battery power, and DO NOT stop
taking pictures! And of course, you must bring a laptop (or, I suppose,
find someplace to set up a desktop machine). Unless you take several
hundred pictures at the finest quality JPEG mode, you won't get good ones
(the secret to good photography: Volume).

And if it's outdoors, consider the 2x teleconverter lens. Why? Because you
can stand 40 feet back and still take nice close up pictures of people
without looking obvious and getting in the way (set the shutter speed to
1/250 or so). Close up is key.

For kids, I find the sneak-attack mode of the 950 to be quite effective.
Hold it in portrait mode with the lens NOT rotated from its parked position
and stare off straight ahead. The inattentive will think you are taking a
picture of something in the direction you are looking, while in fact you're
shooting 90 degrees to your left. This helps a great deal in getting
natural expressions.


FredBillie

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Hassel Weems

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My biggest concern isn't that I will mess up the shots with the digital (I have
almost no experience with 35mm, it would almost be a lost cause) but that the max I
could expect to print for them would be 8x10. I'm sure that in a few years they
will want a 16x20 or other large size.

I also have no experience in posing peole at an event like this. I have done quite
a few corporate portraits and a few group shots, but never something this
important. They understand that I am not a pro, and that this is my first wedding,
but I want to do the absolute best I can do.

The bride's father has a good, all manual 35mm that I could use, and I have a
relative with a 35mm point & shoot, so I will probably end up using one of them in
conjunction with my digital, just so I will have the remote possibility of an
enlargeable print and a backup in the event of data loss.

Hassel

MosComp

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May 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/18/99
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Borrow a laptop with PCMCIA. The PCMCIA adapter for CF is only $10 or so, or
even free with LEXAR cards (64M). Shoot, and dump the whole 64Meg into the
laptop in 60 seconds or so. Have two cards and you can shoot hundreds of shots
with High Quality.

MO

USA1955

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Mike Elek

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I would find out if it is an indoor or outdoor ceremony. After learning that
information, I would get over to where the ceremony will be held and take
some sample shots using the self-timer and you in the photo. That way, you
can take some photos and look at them later to judge exposure, where you
should be positioned, etc.

The best advice I can offer is to be fearless and shoot as many photos as
you can. I would recommend getting at least two 48MB cards. You can never
have too many shots. Then select the best ones. The toughest shots will be
if the bride is in bright white and the groom is in a black tux.

Also, keep people as close together as possible, even if it means telling
them to get closer. Obviously, you won't have any control over what happens
during the ceremony, but with other shots, keep this in mind.
--
Mike Elek
mm-...@prodigy.net
http://host.fptoday.com/melek/

Hassel Weems

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I wouldn't quite say that I have no experience, no equipment, no knowledge of
photography or my digital equipment. What I said is that I have never shot a
wedding before. I have good equipment and a good working knowledge of
photography, even portrait photography, but a wedding is a different ball game.
There are photographers who are great in their respective fields (journalism,
still life, industrial, stock, nature, portraiture, etc.) who have no experience
with shooting a wedding, who would be just as apprehensive as I am, regardless of
camera format.

To answer your question, I was recruited for this venture because I shot some
very good portraits of this couple on Valentine's day. They simply do not have
the money to pay for an established wedding photographer, so they have asked me,
a friend who they know can take a good portrait, to photograph their wedding.

My original question was for some helpful advice on how to make these pictures


the best possible. Do you have any suggestions?

Hassel

Mike Gove

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Not very helpful reply to an honest question. Shame. I can think of many
circunstances where an experienced photographer in a different field would
be asked/want to get involved in something different ; perhaps he has spent
his life earning good money shooting fishes in the Dead Sea!

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geckonia

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Hassel,
I am quite sure you will handle the challenge with aplomb.
Consider yourself lucky that you will be able to monitor your progress
on the LCD and don't have to wait to expose film to see how you did. Are you
bringing a powerbook? Maybe you should to get a better look...
Geckonia
http://www.geckographics.com

Hassel Weems

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Yes, I will have my notebook with me, and hopefully have an opportunity to use
it. My plan is once things get started is to get my wife to download one card
while I am filling another. I should be able to get several hundred pictures
this way, plus the benefit of seeing the pictures on larger screen.

BTW, I took a little trip around your site, it is impressive. I've never really
followed the Grateful Dead, but I certainly can appreciate good art work.

Hassel

Robin Corn

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May 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/19/99
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Thankfully I can't remember the first wedding I photographed. It is quite
stressful, but very rewarding.
First, I'd go to the library and look at some books on wedding photography.
Take copious notes. Do sketches.
Then shoot plenty of 'film'. Devote 20 minutes to the bride's father's 35mm.
Don't be afraid to firmly direct people.
I did a digital wedding a year ago, and I admit I probably wouldn't do it
again without some modifications. I took along a friend who shot 35mm
alongside me. The album was entirely digital, but it was nice to have
something to blow up big.
And don't forget -- plan, plan, plan. I've been doing photography for 25
years, and disasters still strike occasionally. Trust nothing to luck!
-Robin Corn
http://www.target.co.nz
Target Copy Centre, inside Paper Plus
Northlands Shopping Centre, Christchurch

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Hassel Weems

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First off, I would like to thank everyone for the advice they have given,
much of it has been very helpful, and some of it has made me more uptight
:-0

I have more info about the situation that will make it better in dsome
respects, worse in others. The ceremony is going to be mostly informal and
very small, it is going to be held in the bride's parent's garden. The hard
part is that it will be at 8:30 PM (this should make for some interesting
lighting delimas)

I have no choice but to fulfill the request. If I do not take photos, they
will have none. I think this would be more injurious to the relationship
than if I botch the whole thing. I will have access to the location before
the wedding, so I am going to go over a couple of nights to do some test
shots.

Once again, thanks to all who have written, both here and in private e-mail.
I will be cruising the bookstore and as many wedding photo sites as I can
find over the next few nights (I have already taken in a few wedding sites.)

Hassel

Robin Corn

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Now you'll HAVE TO report back after the event, just to put our minds at
rest!
--
---Robin Corn

http://www.target.co.nz
Target Copy Centre, inside Paper Plus
Northlands Shopping Centre, Christchurch

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Dennis @Worldnet

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I have had this experience. A friend was getting married a
couple months back. They couldn't afford to pay for a photo
guy. Since I had a Canon AE-1 Program I was asked to shoot
the pics. Not something I had done before -wedding that is.

I tried to beg off, but I was the best available for free. I once
shot lots of pics with my 35mm, but had done little in the last
few years. Anyway I did the wedding, and didn't really do a good
job of it. Was rather embarrassed by how poor the results were.
Not much better than someone else there with a Polaroid.

Good news/bad news....though they weren't really happy with
the pics, it no longer matters, they are getting divorced after
a couple months....OUCH!

Since then I got a decent megapixel digital camera. I am sure
had I owned it back then I could have done pretty darn good.
Not great for 16 x 24 blowups, but plenty good for 5 x 7's.
Good enough I think they would have been pretty happy with
the results even though they wouldn't equal a good photographer
with a 35mm camera and the experience to use it.

Seems to me digital cameras give better results in the hands of
inexperienced amateurs than "fancy" cameras generally do.

Good luck on the wedding,
Dennis

PS-the digital camera has been so much fun I think I have
taken more pics in a month than any year I have used the
35mm. Digital photography is just a little bit different, and
to me more fun animal than 35mm.

IM Cool wrote:

> 50-50 chance! <ouch>


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Pete

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I don't think a larger CF card will be enough for a wedding. I use to
freelance for a studio and I shot quite a few weddings with least of all
300-400 pictures. and with your 950 shooting at high resolution your going
to need more cards or a clik drive to upload them. I'd see if I could borrow
someone's 35mm to avoid any running out of digital film if I were you.
What's worse than not having the correct equipment to do the job is having
only part of it. Good luck

Pete

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Hassel Weems <has...@hasselweems.com> wrote in message
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> First off, I would like to thank everyone for the advice they have given,
> much of it has been very helpful, and some of it has made me more uptight
> :-0
>

LKRZ

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May 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/19/99
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You might also want to splurge on some disposable cameras. Kodak offers special
wedding packages with three or four cameras. The idea is to put them on guest
tables at the reception to take candid shots. Or you could pass them out to a
couple of guests at the wedding, if they're not having a big reception.
It improves the odds of coming up with decent photos.


Paul Johnson

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May 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/19/99
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At many weddings these days, they get a bunch of inexpensive
disposable cameras and leave one at each table for the guests to use.
Encourage the guests to take as many pictures as they want.

You would be surprised how good some of the pictures will be (in terms
of spirit, freshness and spontaneity), you'll get camera angles and
coverage that you could not do yourself, and it will be backup for you
even if everything you shoot comes out 3 stops overexposed.

Just a thought.

Paul

Jim Juhl

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May 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/19/99
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Hassel,

I shoot weddings on a film camera. For posed photos in the front of
the church I use a Photogenic Powerlight 750 and an umbrella for all
the groups. I set it and leave it. For all other shots its a flash on
a flash bracket or ambient.

I try to shoot the women, then the men, the whole group and then posed
family shots. If there is any time left before the ceremony I do some
fun stuff with the bride and the bride and groom either in the church
or outside. For the ceremony I get the flowergirl/ring bearer and each
couple either in the back before they go down the ailse or as they go
down, as many as possible of bride and father going down ailse (don't
screw up here). During the ceremony, get shots from back and side
aisles with ambient light. Then get several of the B&G on the way out
and hugs and kisses in the back, couple leaving, cake shots, punch
bowl, etc.

I pose the formals with the b&g in front and then add two or four
people at a time which seems to make balancing the group a bit easier.
Pose by height first and rank in the bridal party second. Add any
kids just before the shot so they don't wear out too soon. My wife
uses a monkey pupet to get the kids to loosen up and it really helps
the adults too. I take 4-5 of the big groups and 2-3 of the smaller
groups where it's hard to catch blinks. I also use a tripod but it
sounds like that might be tough with the 950. I used to work off a
shot list but now I have a mental list that works pretty well. If you
want a copy, let me know. It's not great but it's a start. The only
rule I have is that once pictures start, NOBODY LEAVES! It's horrible
waiting while someone goes and looks for the groomsman having a smoke.
Once you're done with them, then let them go. Have your wife look for
details. Have all the women point their flowers the same way and have
the men put their hands in their pockets with a little cuff showing.
Avoid the fig leaf pose. If the bride has a waist, pose her so you can
see it, if she doesn't, use the flowers and the groom to make her look
thinner.

I think the digital wedding has great potential. I currently process
the film and then edit with a Fotovix and then have proofs made or
transfer to video tape. It really saves on processing and really frees
me up to take shots I wouldn't other wise.

Shooting a wedding with a 950 sounds interesting but you still need a
backup. Murphy's law also applies to weddings.

good luck, you'll need it

Jim

R Walker

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May 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/24/99
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There's lots of wedding tips here: http://www.montezucker.com/articles.html
Be sure to post some pictures when it's over and tell us what you have
learned. Best wishes...

Hassel Weems wrote in message <37410A66...@hasselweems.com>...


>My biggest concern isn't that I will mess up the shots with the digital (I
have
>almost no experience with 35mm, it would almost be a lost cause) but that
the max I
>could expect to print for them would be 8x10. I'm sure that in a few years
they
>will want a 16x20 or other large size.
>
>I also have no experience in posing peole at an event like this. I have
done quite
>a few corporate portraits and a few group shots, but never something this
>important. They understand that I am not a pro, and that this is my first
wedding,
>but I want to do the absolute best I can do.
>
>The bride's father has a good, all manual 35mm that I could use, and I have
a
>relative with a 35mm point & shoot, so I will probably end up using one of
them in
>conjunction with my digital, just so I will have the remote possibility of
an
>enlargeable print and a backup in the event of data loss.
>

>Hassel
>
>
>FredBillie wrote:
>
>> >From: Hassel Weems <has...@hasselweems.com>
>> >Date: Mon, May 17, 1999 3:39 PM
>> >Message-id: <37407E80...@hasselweems.com>
>> >

>> >I have been asked to shoot a wedding, (that is take the pictures - this
>> >is not a shotgun wedding).
>> >The couple understands that all I have is digital, a CP950. I have tried
>> >to talk them out of it, but they want me to do the pics for them. I have
>> >explained the drawbacks, and that I would rather they hired someone to
>> >shoot at least 35mm, but money is an issue, and all I will charge is the
>> >cost of the larger CF card I will need to do the job and the cost of
>> >prints.
>> >
>> >Is there any advice anyone can give me to help make these pictures the
>> >best possible? I have 2 good external flashes, a good tripod, and 3
>> >photo floods w/stands, is there any other equipment I will need?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >Hassel
>>

Gary Udstrand

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May 31, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/31/99
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[This followup was posted to rec.photo.digital and a copy was sent to the
cited author.]

In article <19990518154755...@ng-cj1.aol.com>,
trisc...@aol.com says...
> Make sure the external flash works well, since the CP950 is well known for
> "red-eyes".
> How about renting a 35mm camera w/ external flash hooked up to portable
> powerpack?
>

And you know this because of your vast experience with the 950? I
have had very little trouble with red-eye and my 950, is there something
wrong with yours?


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Redactor

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Jun 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/1/99
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On Mon, 31 May 1999 12:54:13 -0500, g...@completeis.com (Gary Udstrand)
wrote:

>[This followup was posted to rec.photo.digital and a copy was sent to the
>cited author.]
>
>In article <19990518154755...@ng-cj1.aol.com>,
>trisc...@aol.com says...
>> Make sure the external flash works well, since the CP950 is well known for
>> "red-eyes".
>> How about renting a 35mm camera w/ external flash hooked up to portable
>> powerpack?
>>
>
> And you know this because of your vast experience with the 950? I
>have had very little trouble with red-eye and my 950, is there something
>wrong with yours?

Here is a little test I ran:

http://members.home.net/krell/CP950page1.htm


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