Photo taken in 1977 (was - Mac drive letters?)

[David Brooks]

On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
[....]
> Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first
> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed
> the wild Wallabies!

https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

The colour has faded somewhat!

Ah! Memories. :-D

[Commander Kinsey]

The ginger hair didn't fade.

I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?

[David Brooks]

On 27/04/2022 20:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
>> [....]
>>> Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first
>>> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed
>>> the wild Wallabies!
>>
>> https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr
>>
>> The colour has faded somewhat!
>>
>> Ah! Memories. :-D
>
> The ginger hair didn't fade.

In real-life, over time, it did.
Mind you, my son doesn't have great deal left if the truth be told.

> I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?

Yes. Completely wild ..... but in an area popular for beach BBQs and
swimming, so the Wallabies were well used to people visiting the area.

The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be Dartmoor
ponies!

https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies

https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:08:50 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 27/04/2022 20:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
>>> [....]
>>>> Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first
>>>> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed
>>>> the wild Wallabies!
>>>
>>> https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr
>>>
>>> The colour has faded somewhat!
>>>
>>> Ah! Memories. :-D
>>
>> The ginger hair didn't fade.
>
> In real-life, over time, it did.
> Mind you, my son doesn't have great deal left if the truth be told.

My neighbour was a ginger alledgedly (not the next door one, the tradesman one). He's been grey since I've known him when he was about 35. Now that kid him and his wife take on holiday is ginger. They don't have kids. She's the daughter of one of his ex-employees. The father is "not present". Yeah ok.... The wife really is gullible.

>> I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?
>
> Yes. Completely wild ..... but in an area popular for beach BBQs and
> swimming, so the Wallabies were well used to people visiting the area.

I have three times swam up to a seal, once 40 miles down the road from here in the sea - a wild one, once in a river 10 miles from here - also wild, and once in England near where they release babies into the wild. Inquisitive and not scared of people when you don't have a boat and are not on land where you can move faster. Although the river I was in a canoe.

> The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be Dartmoor
> ponies!
>
> https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies
>
> https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies

I thought all horses were tame?

"Please do not feed the ponies
It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or seriously injured."
- that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a fiver. You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over. Maybe all cars should have these. I've killed one with my Golf :-(

[David Brooks]

On 27/04/2022 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:08:50 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 27/04/2022 20:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>> Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my
>>>>> first
>>>>> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed
>>>>> the wild Wallabies!
>>>>
>>>> https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr
>>>>
>>>> The colour has faded somewhat!
>>>>
>>>> Ah! Memories. :-D
>>>
>>> The ginger hair didn't fade.
>>
>> In real-life, over time, it did.
>> Mind you, my son doesn't have great deal left if the truth be told.
>

> My neighbour was a ginger allegedly (not the next door one, the

> tradesman one).  He's been grey since I've known him when he was about
> 35.  Now that kid him and his wife take on holiday is ginger.  They
> don't have kids.  She's the daughter of one of his ex-employees.  The
> father is "not present".  Yeah ok....  The wife really is gullible.

I can't possibly comment!

>>> I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?
>>
>> Yes. Completely wild ..... but in an area popular for beach BBQs and
>> swimming, so the Wallabies were well used to people visiting the area.
>
> I have three times swam up to a seal, once 40 miles down the road from
> here in the sea - a wild one, once in a river 10 miles from here - also
> wild, and once in England near where they release babies into the wild.
> Inquisitive and not scared of people when you don't have a boat and are
> not on land where you can move faster.  Although the river I was in a
> canoe.

You have been truly privileged. :-D

>> The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be Dartmoor
>> ponies!
>>
>> https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies
>>
>> https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies
>
> I thought all horses were tame?

You most surely are joking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQTHB4jM-KQ

> "Please do not feed the ponies
> It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or
> seriously injured."
> - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a
> fiver.  You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound
> to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over.  Maybe all cars
> should have these.  I've killed one with my Golf :-(

It hurts. :-( In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the
baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the
police to deal with the remains.

Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.

[Commander Kinsey]

If you'd seen his wife you'd understand why he cheated. She has more armpit hair than any man I've seen and refuses to shave it off.

>>>> I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?
>>>
>>> Yes. Completely wild ..... but in an area popular for beach BBQs and
>>> swimming, so the Wallabies were well used to people visiting the area.
>>
>> I have three times swam up to a seal, once 40 miles down the road from
>> here in the sea - a wild one, once in a river 10 miles from here - also
>> wild, and once in England near where they release babies into the wild.
>> Inquisitive and not scared of people when you don't have a boat and are
>> not on land where you can move faster. Although the river I was in a
>> canoe.
>
> You have been truly privileged. :-D

Indeed, nothing is more fun than nature.

And yes I was naked on all occasions. Maybe shorts scare seals?

>>> The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be Dartmoor
>>> ponies!
>>>
>>> https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies
>>>
>>> https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies
>>
>> I thought all horses were tame?
>
> You most surely are joking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQTHB4jM-KQ

Every horse I've seen lets me pet and feed it. Mind you there are no wild horses in the UK. Also no animal hates me. It's fun to play with a rottweiler the owner cannot handle.

>> "Please do not feed the ponies
>> It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or
>> seriously injured."
>> - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a
>> fiver. You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound
>> to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over. Maybe all cars
>> should have these. I've killed one with my Golf :-(
>
> It hurts. :-( In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the
> baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the
> police to deal with the remains.
>
> Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.

I think I'll buy one. You can get one here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449

[Peter Jason]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
<D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
>[....]

>> Haha! ? But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first

>> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed
>> the wild Wallabies!
>
>https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr
>
>The colour has faded somewhat!
>
>Ah! Memories. :-D

I have similar pics from the 70's and I have PShopped them all to
great effect. Some are irredeemable though. Your's fixed is an
example of the successes.
https://postimg.cc/zb828JLZ

[Magani]

They look remarkably similar to the kangaroo alarms whistles here - https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/sca-sca-animal-repeller-black-2-pack/558747.html

The jury seems to be out on how effective they are on Australian wildlife; seemingly PhD-worthy discussions and reputations are at stake. :-)

Kangaroos and wallabies are remarkably dense (from a thinking point of view) when it comes to traffic. They'll bounce onto a highway, then run in the direction of traffic up the centre of your lane. As my Dad would say, "They're as thick as two short planks". Only thing worse is an Emu - to paraphrase Pooh, "A bird with very little brain".

I've managed to hit 5 roos/wallabies in my time on the road (some actually ran into me), but AFAIK, I've not killed any of them outright (they all bounced off into the bush and I wasn't about to chase them in the dark). At the risk of seeming heartless, more serious accidents have been caused by folks swerving to avoid a roo, than actually just braking hard in a straight line. As mentioned, it's not a happy time for either party. There's a reason trucks and 4WDs have a 'roo bar' out the front. You don't want a smashed radiator when you're 200 miles from the nearest garage.

Cheers,
Magani

[Commander Kinsey]

I always prefer braking to swerving. Swerving can cause another unforeseen problem. If something is going wrong, remove all momentum.

[David Brooks]

Wow! How kind of you to go to so much trouble, Peter.

I really appreciate that. *THANK YOU*!

Would you like another to 'play' with?

[David Brooks]

I agree - 100% :-D

I was once helped by a Dolphin when I capsized a Bosun Dingy in
Falmouth. He (she?) came alongside and allowed me to step on its back to
climb aboard again! Absolutely true.

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/navyfit/adventurous-training/adventurous-training-centres/royal-navy-water-activity-centre----falmouth

> And yes I was naked on all occasions.  Maybe shorts scare seals?

I couldn't possibly comment!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beTkOwtbiq0

>>>> The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be
>>>> Dartmoor
>>>> ponies!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies
>>>>
>>>> https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies
>>>
>>> I thought all horses were tame?
>>
>> You most surely are joking?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQTHB4jM-KQ
>
> Every horse I've seen lets me pet and feed it.  Mind you there are no
> wild horses in the UK.  Also no animal hates me.  It's fun to play with
> a rottweiler the owner cannot handle.

Take care.

>>> "Please do not feed the ponies
>>> It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or
>>> seriously injured."
>>> - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a
>>> fiver.  You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound
>>> to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over.  Maybe all cars
>>> should have these.  I've killed one with my Golf :-(
>>
>> It hurts. :-(  In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the
>> baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the
>> police to deal with the remains.
>>
>> Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.
>
> I think I'll buy one.  You can get one here:
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449

That wouldn't have have helped in my second case - the animal jumped
over a hedge to my left and landed right in front of me.

My son tells me that some electric cars now have 'pretend engine noise'
generators to protect pedestrians! Whatever next?!!!

D.

[Peter Jason]

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:23:52 +0100, David Brooks

Yes, OK. But it was no trouble.
Regards.

[David Brooks]

That is most kind. Thanks. :-)

This one is rather worse for wear! I can't recall how it got into such a
state! https://ibb.co/2F0zNVp

Perhaps the exercise keeps your fingers nimble and your brain alert!

Regards reciprocated,
David

[Commander Kinsey]

Dolphins love humans as much as we love them. We are equally intelligent and respect each other like our own kind.

> https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/navyfit/adventurous-training/adventurous-training-centres/royal-navy-water-activity-centre----falmouth
>
>> And yes I was naked on all occasions. Maybe shorts scare seals?
>
> I couldn't possibly comment!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beTkOwtbiq0

Rover gets very bad press, but my first car was a Rover and very sturdily built. Until it hit a tractor, which ended up worse off! Maybe momentum matters, it was doing 5mph and I was doing 90 er.... 60mph. Yes the sign said 60, I must have been doing 60.

However my neighbour's Rover 75 (top of the range) had the worst automatic gearbox I'd ever seen. It was like a learner driver changing gear. You should not notice when an auto box changes gear. But then I was used to a German car, they do things very well indeed. Pity they didn't win the war!

>>>>> The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be
>>>>> Dartmoor
>>>>> ponies!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies
>>>>>
>>>>> https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies
>>>>
>>>> I thought all horses were tame?
>>>
>>> You most surely are joking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQTHB4jM-KQ
>>
>> Every horse I've seen lets me pet and feed it. Mind you there are no
>> wild horses in the UK. Also no animal hates me. It's fun to play with
>> a rottweiler the owner cannot handle.
>
> Take care.

I don't need to. Animals think I'm one of them. They might be right.

>>>> "Please do not feed the ponies
>>>> It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or
>>>> seriously injured."
>>>> - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a
>>>> fiver. You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound
>>>> to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over. Maybe all cars
>>>> should have these. I've killed one with my Golf :-(
>>>
>>> It hurts. :-( In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the
>>> baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the
>>> police to deal with the remains.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.
>>
>> I think I'll buy one. You can get one here:
>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449
>
> That wouldn't have have helped in my second case - the animal jumped
> over a hedge to my left and landed right in front of me.

Same here, it was chasing females! But if it had heard the high pitch noise perhaps it would have stopped in fright and still be alive?

I have bought one and I suggest everyone else does. It will be interesting to see what happens when I drive past someone walking a dog....

> My son tells me that some electric cars now have 'pretend engine noise'
> generators to protect pedestrians! Whatever next?!!!

Very easy to disconnect. I refuse to create noise pollution after spending a fortune on a quiet car. Pedestrians should learn to use their eyes.

[David Brooks]

All read and understood. Thank you for being my friend! :-D

Have a great day.

--
David

[Commander Kinsey]

You can also disconnect those stupid distracting EU-decided daytime lights.

[David Brooks]

My car is too old to have them!

[Commander Kinsey]

So is mine, but I can engage my full beam when one comes towards me with his on. Some are actually brighter than full beam. And I've seen psycholists with them, and flashing!

It is quite funny when a modern daylight lights car is driving at night. Since the lights were already on at the front, they don't remember to switch on the "real" lights at night, so they have no back lights. Sometimes I flash, sometimes I flash the car lights, and sometimes I threaten them by almost crashing into the back of them.

Funniest one was a pedestrian who walked in front of me without looking. I revved the 3.5 litre V8 and they ran faster than I thought possible.

[Commander Kinsey]

OMFG. These are not ultrasonic speakers, not electronic, not electrical. It's a piece of plastic in some form of whistle shape that alledgedly makes ultrasound when travelling over 60kmph. I blew into it and it made a normal human hearable whistling sound, so I'm guessing that under 60kmph it's going to piss off every pedestrian. I like it.

[David Brooks]

On 29/04/2022 09:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 08:56:54 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 29/04/2022 08:48, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 08:21:27 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29/04/2022 04:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 09:14:43 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>> <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My son tells me that some electric cars now have 'pretend engine
>>>>>> noise'
>>>>>> generators to protect pedestrians! Whatever next?!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Very easy to disconnect.  I refuse to create noise pollution after
>>>>> spending a fortune on a quiet car.  Pedestrians should learn to use
>>>>> their eyes.
>>>>
>>>> All read and understood. Thank you for being my friend! :-D
>>>>
>>>> Have a great day.
>>>
>>> You can also disconnect those stupid distracting EU-decided daytime
>>> lights.
>>
>> My car is too old to have them!
>
> So is mine, but I can engage my full beam when one comes towards me with
> his on.  Some are actually brighter than full beam.  And I've seen
> psycholists with them, and flashing!

How do you know the profession of the oncoming driver?

> It is quite funny when a modern daylight lights car is driving at
> night.  Since the lights were already on at the front, they don't
> remember to switch on the "real" lights at night, so they have no back
> lights.  Sometimes I flash, sometimes I flash the car lights, and
> sometimes I threaten them by almost crashing into the back of them.

Be careful; one day you may succeed!

> Funniest one was a pedestrian who walked in front of me without
> looking.  I revved the 3.5 litre V8 and they ran faster than I thought
> possible.

Very naughty! ;-)

[David Brooks]

No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100!

[Commander Kinsey]

Uhhh.... psycholists are on two wheels, not drivers.

>> It is quite funny when a modern daylight lights car is driving at
>> night. Since the lights were already on at the front, they don't
>> remember to switch on the "real" lights at night, so they have no back
>> lights. Sometimes I flash, sometimes I flash the car lights, and
>> sometimes I threaten them by almost crashing into the back of them.
>
> Be careful; one day you may succeed!

I did that once, but only because I forgot that particular car had no ABS. It's amazing how long they take to stop.

>> Funniest one was a pedestrian who walked in front of me without
>> looking. I revved the 3.5 litre V8 and they ran faster than I thought
>> possible.
>
> Very naughty! ;-)

No, I saved their life. If they had done that again in front of someone who wasn't looking they might have been killed. I taught them how to cross safely :)

[Commander Kinsey]

In a built up area I do not exceed 60mph. Although I guess that is over the pansy 60kmph quoted on the instructions.

[David Brooks]

Maybe you'll watch and learn here:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8uOyybH_o

Some of the comments are interesting.

[Commander Kinsey]

I've never hit anyone with my car. If I do, it'll be because they didn't look before crossing, so their fault.

> Some of the comments are interesting.

My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"

[David Brooks]

That's good. I trust it will continue that way.

>> Some of the comments are interesting.
>
> My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"

They are a different breed to us, for sure! ;-)

[Commander Kinsey]

Are these illegal?:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i402aqgctfsndp2/Scatter%20scooters%21.mp4?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wtexv2dhgb00nn/Fast%20bumps.mp4?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6smlrj9svg0k32q/Slalom.mp4?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uonb2oiv107sm5s/Bicycle.mp4?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x01423s99pbqqyl/Scatter.mp4?dl=0

>>> Some of the comments are interesting.
>>
>> My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"
>
> They are a different breed to us, for sure! ;-)

They're just what we sere 100 years ago. Something made them evolve slower.

[David Brooks]

Everyone is entitle to have a camera in their car, so no, not illegal.

>>>> Some of the comments are interesting.
>>>
>>> My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"
>>
>> They are a different breed to us, for sure! ;-)
>

> They're just what we were 100 years ago.  Something made them evolve
> slower.

Probably the guilt they've been carrying for killing most of the
indigenous population.

[Commander Kinsey]

Very funny. I was referring to the speed and terrorizing of pedestrians.

My highest ever speed is 140mph.

Or 700 if you count planes.

55 on a boat.

>>>>> Some of the comments are interesting.
>>>>
>>>> My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"
>>>
>>> They are a different breed to us, for sure! ;-)
>>
>> They're just what we were 100 years ago. Something made them evolve
>> slower.
>
> Probably the guilt they've been carrying for killing most of the
> indigenous population.

Most do not feel guilty about that. Some do.

https://youtu.be/NY5Nc5MHZvc

[David Brooks]

I'm sorry - I didn't note the speed on the videos! ;-)

>>>>>> Some of the comments are interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"
>>>>
>>>> They are a different breed to us, for sure! ;-)
>>>
>>> They're just what we were 100 years ago.  Something made them evolve
>>> slower.
>>
>> Probably the guilt they've been carrying for killing most of the
>> indigenous population.
>
> Most do not feel guilty about that.  Some do.
>
> https://youtu.be/NY5Nc5MHZvc

A great song - with great Lyrics.

Lyrics
She came from Providence, the one in Rhode Island
Where the old world shadows hang heavy in the air
She packed her hopes and dreams like a refugee
Just as her father came across the sea
She heard about a place people were smilin'
They spoke about the red man's way, how they loved the land
And they came from everywhere to the Great Divide
Seeking a place to stand or a place to hide
Down in the crowded bars out for a good time,
Can't wait to tell you all what it's like up there
And they called it paradise, I don't know why
Somebody laid the mountains low while the town got high
Then the chilly winds blew down across the desert
Through the canyons of the coast to the Malibu
Where the pretty people play hungry for power
To light their neon way and give them things to do
Some rich man came and raped the land, nobody caught 'em
Put up a bunch of ugly boxes and, Jesus, people bought 'em
And they called it paradise, the place to be,
They watched the hazy sun sinking in the sea
You can leave it all behind and sail to Lahaina
Just like the missionaries did so many years ago
They even brought a neon sign 'Jesus is Coming'
Brought the white man's burden down, brought the white man's reign
Who will provide the grand design, what is yours and what is mine?
'Cause there is no more new frontier, we have got to make it here
We satisfy our endless needs and justify our bloody deeds
In the name of destiny and in the name of God
And you can see them there on Sunday morning
Stand up and sing about what it's like up there
They called it paradise, I don't know why
You call some place paradise, kiss it goodbye
Source: LyricFind

[Commander Kinsey]

Those videos were not 140. That occurred in France. The Gendarme lost me.

Indeed, it's a pity people don't listen to lyrics properly. This is another favourite:
https://youtu.be/PGNTaM7roSY

[David Brooks]

You are a card! ;-)

>>>>>>>> Some of the comments are interesting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are a different breed to us, for sure! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> They're just what we were 100 years ago.  Something made them evolve
>>>>> slower.
>>>>
>>>> Probably the guilt they've been carrying for killing most of the
>>>> indigenous population.
>>>
>>> Most do not feel guilty about that.  Some do.
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/NY5Nc5MHZvc
>>
>> A great song - with great Lyrics.
>>
>> Lyrics

[....]

> Indeed, it's a pity people don't listen to lyrics properly.  This is
> another favourite:
> https://youtu.be/PGNTaM7roSY

That is lovely. Words, music and singer.

Thank you for sharing. :-D

[Commander Kinsey]

I was given a red card. Another one nicked me for having a radar detector. "C'est interdit en France!"

That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later. French shite.

[David Brooks]

Ha! You've told me that before! :-D

[Commander Kinsey]

That cost the AA a lot of money to tow it right across two countries while renting me a Laguna.

[David Brooks]

On 30/04/2022 23:11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
[....]

>>>> You are a card! ;-)
>>>
>>> I was given a red card.  Another one nicked me for having a radar
>>> detector.  "C'est interdit en France!"
>>>
>>> That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later.  French
>>> shite.
>>
>> Ha! You've told me that before! :-D
>
> That cost the AA a lot of money to tow it right across two countries
> while renting me a Laguna.

You never cease to surprise me!

Do you actually PAY for a subscription to the AA?

Btw - what's with this "renting me a car"? That's Americanese!

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 01 May 2022 12:24:23 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 30/04/2022 23:11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> [....]
>>>>> You are a card! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I was given a red card. Another one nicked me for having a radar
>>>> detector. "C'est interdit en France!"
>>>>
>>>> That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later. French
>>>> shite.
>>>
>>> Ha! You've told me that before! :-D
>>
>> That cost the AA a lot of money to tow it right across two countries
>> while renting me a Laguna.
>
> You never cease to surprise me!

I am a master of making things go wrong.

> Do you actually PAY for a subscription to the AA?

I pay one third of their normal price.

> Btw - what's with this "renting me a car"? That's Americanese!

What is the English for that then?

[David Brooks]

On 02/05/2022 04:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 01 May 2022 12:24:23 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 30/04/2022 23:11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> [....]
>>>>>> You are a card! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I was given a red card.  Another one nicked me for having a radar
>>>>> detector.  "C'est interdit en France!"
>>>>>
>>>>> That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later.
>>>>> French
>>>>> shite.
>>>>
>>>> Ha! You've told me that before! :-D
>>>
>>> That cost the AA a lot of money to tow it right across two countries
>>> while renting me a Laguna.
>>
>> You never cease to surprise me!
>
> I am a master of making things go wrong.

Yet your heart is in the right place! ❤️

>> Do you actually PAY for a subscription to the AA?
>
> I pay one third of their normal price.

How come? (but congratulations anyway!)

>> Btw - what's with this "renting me a car"? That's Americanese!
>
> What is the English for that then?

They lent you or loaned you a car.

If you had to pay, you'd have hired the car.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 02 May 2022 07:46:36 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 02/05/2022 04:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 May 2022 12:24:23 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/04/2022 23:11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> [....]
>>>>>>> You are a card! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was given a red card. Another one nicked me for having a radar
>>>>>> detector. "C'est interdit en France!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later.
>>>>>> French
>>>>>> shite.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ha! You've told me that before! :-D
>>>>
>>>> That cost the AA a lot of money to tow it right across two countries
>>>> while renting me a Laguna.
>>>
>>> You never cease to surprise me!
>>
>> I am a master of making things go wrong.
>
> Yet your heart is in the right place! ❤️
>
>>> Do you actually PAY for a subscription to the AA?
>>
>> I pay one third of their normal price.
>
> How come? (but congratulations anyway!)

Just threaten to leave. Quote Greenflag price. Greenflag sux, but the AA will still discount you to keep you. You have to do this every year though, they sneak it back up. They count on most people not bothering.

And car insurance is no longer allowed to do introductory first year prices but they still fuck you about and will take money off if they think you're leaving.

>>> Btw - what's with this "renting me a car"? That's Americanese!
>>
>> What is the English for that then?
>
> They lent you or loaned you a car.
>
> If you had to pay, you'd have hired the car.

No, if you loaned me a car, that would be your car. If you rented me a car, you have paid for a rental car from a company with your money, but for me. Big difference.

As for rent and hire, they mean precisely the same. You would say you hire a car but you rent a house?! I just rent both.

[David Brooks]

I understand completely. My wife carries out this exercise each year
with the RAC. Well worthwhile!

> And car insurance is no longer allowed to do introductory first year
> prices but they still fuck you about and will take money off if they
> think you're leaving.

My renewal this year was £30 less than last year, so I didn't bother
shopping around!

>>>> Btw - what's with this "renting me a car"? That's Americanese!
>>>
>>> What is the English for that then?
>>
>> They lent you or loaned you a car.
>>
>> If you had to pay, you'd have hired the car.
>
> No, if you loaned me a car, that would be your car.  If you rented me a
> car, you have paid for a rental car from a company with your money, but
> for me.  Big difference.
>
> As for rent and hire, they mean precisely the same.  You would say you
> hire a car but you rent a house?!  I just rent both.

I concede. I don't do either. :-D

[Commander Kinsey]

AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what package?

>> And car insurance is no longer allowed to do introductory first year
>> prices but they still fuck you about and will take money off if they
>> think you're leaving.
>
> My renewal this year was £30 less than last year, so I didn't bother
> shopping around!

I've never seen one go down by itself.

>>>>> Btw - what's with this "renting me a car"? That's Americanese!
>>>>
>>>> What is the English for that then?
>>>
>>> They lent you or loaned you a car.
>>>
>>> If you had to pay, you'd have hired the car.
>>
>> No, if you loaned me a car, that would be your car. If you rented me a
>> car, you have paid for a rental car from a company with your money, but
>> for me. Big difference.
>>
>> As for rent and hire, they mean precisely the same. You would say you
>> hire a car but you rent a house?! I just rent both.
>
> I concede. I don't do either. :-D

Neither do I, I was talking about what I would call it.

[David Brooks]

I'll check.

>>> And car insurance is no longer allowed to do introductory first year
>>> prices but they still fuck you about and will take money off if they
>>> think you're leaving.
>>
>> My renewal this year was £30 less than last year, so I didn't bother
>> shopping around!
>
> I've never seen one go down by itself.

I'd never seen it either!

>>>>>> Btw - what's with this "renting me a car"? That's Americanese!
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the English for that then?
>>>>
>>>> They lent you or loaned you a car.
>>>>
>>>> If you had to pay, you'd have hired the car.
>>>
>>> No, if you loaned me a car, that would be your car.  If you rented me a
>>> car, you have paid for a rental car from a company with your money, but
>>> for me.  Big difference.
>>>
>>> As for rent and hire, they mean precisely the same.  You would say you
>>> hire a car but you rent a house?!  I just rent both.
>>
>> I concede. I don't do either. :-D
>
> Neither do I, I was talking about what I would call it.

Sorry. I misunderstood.

[David Brooks]

On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
> On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

>> AA is cheaper than RAC.  How much do you pay and for what package?
>
> I'll check.

I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned
with Covid infections etc.

We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.

I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
service throughout.

[Commander Kinsey]

Holy shit that's expensive, but then I don't get top of the range. Just basic fix it or take me to a garage. My neighbour does the same. We've both towed each other a quarter mile from home because we didn't have home start.

[David Brooks]

I may have done such a thing when I was a youngster, but I can now
afford to pay for the convenience. What you do costs a lot in terms of
time, too.

[Commander Kinsey]

No time taken, tow it while they're arriving.

[Magani]

A bit pricey? I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover - each state has its own auto association, but no real competition like AA vs RAC. That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also cover the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum, accommodation and free hire car if needed. Also, it covers any car I drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or son). As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their annual membership.

I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went into 'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all was. Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we didn't as we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire car (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).

All in all, very satisfied.

Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on holidays in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet, no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

Cheers,
Magani

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cds...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
>> > On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>
>> >> AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what package?
>> >
>> > I'll check.
>> I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned
>> with Covid infections etc.
>>
>> We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.
>>
>> I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
>> service throughout.
>
> A bit pricey? I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover - each state has its own auto association, but no real competition like AA vs RAC. That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also cover the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum, accommodation and free hire car if needed. Also, it covers any car I drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or son). As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their annual membership.
>
> I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went into 'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all was. Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we didn't as we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire car (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).
>
> All in all, very satisfied.

Why not do what I do? All you need is to get out of the mess you're in. Get your car and you taken to civilisation. You can rent your own car and hotel room. Then your premium is far lower. I pay less than half what you do.

> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on holidays in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet, no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for speed cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would warn you.

[David Brooks]

Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and Magani! ;-)

>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on holidays
>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their
>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front
>> of our hire car.  I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet,
>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>
> Are you sure that was a salute?  The AA started as a warning for speed
> cameras.  If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would
> warn you.

There's substantiating evidence too!
https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

Please come and defend yourself here, m8!

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165159564100

If I'm in the wrong, please tell me!

[Commander Kinsey]

I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science. I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out. They mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a lot of around here. Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm? If I get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable warm....

>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on holidays
>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their
>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front
>>> of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet,
>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>
>> Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for speed
>> cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would
>> warn you.
>
> There's substantiating evidence too!
> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

1865: 4mph limit
1897: 14mph
1903: 20mph
1966: 70mph
Isn't it about time they increased it again?

Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over 16mph on his bicycle!

> Please come and defend yourself here, m8!
>
> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165159564100
>
> If I'm in the wrong, please tell me!

Nasty piece of work indeed. Perhaps he should meet me in person, then he'll find out what nasty is.

[David Brooks]

It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
your house burns down around your hardware!

I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(

I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
and the group which I run.

>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on holidays
>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their
>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front
>>>> of our hire car.  I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet,
>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>>
>>> Are you sure that was a salute?  The AA started as a warning for speed
>>> cameras.  If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would
>>> warn you.
>>
>> There's substantiating evidence too!
>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
>
> 1865: 4mph limit
> 1897: 14mph
> 1903: 20mph
> 1966: 70mph
> Isn't it about time they increased it again?

I once would have agreed with you. Competent drivers ignore the limit
anyway.

> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over
> 16mph on his bicycle!

Haha! :-D

>> Please come and defend yourself here, m8!
>>
>> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165159564100
>>
>> If I'm in the wrong, please tell me!
>
> Nasty piece of work indeed.  Perhaps he should meet me in person, then
> he'll find out what nasty is.

There ya go! ;-)

[Commander Kinsey]

It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

> I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(

This is getting out of hand. I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win. They usually get in 1/2/3rd place in most competitions. This is not good enough, they must get gold in everything.

> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
> and the group which I run.

Excellent, thankyou. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which kills far more.

Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" - it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

>>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on holidays
>>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their
>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front
>>>>> of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet,
>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for speed
>>>> cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would
>>>> warn you.
>>>
>>> There's substantiating evidence too!
>>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
>>
>> 1865: 4mph limit
>> 1897: 14mph
>> 1903: 20mph
>> 1966: 70mph
>> Isn't it about time they increased it again?
>
> I once would have agreed with you.

Why do you no longer agree?

> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow because they find driving difficult.

Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn? It's the most efficient method to get travelling in the opposite direction. The first time I did this I was a teenager and was giving my friend a lift to see his girlfriend. I don't know if it was on that occasion, but he got her pregnant then left the country!

>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over
>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>
> Haha! :-D

I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using god's force, gravity. If something had been in the way, I would not have been able to stop. The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are. I've had it for 26 years. Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.

[David Brooks]

Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
wife is doing the ironing.

> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning!  I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
> sure what time this is for me.  I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

>> I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(
>
> This is getting out of hand.  I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am
> running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win.  They usually get in
> 1/2/3rd place in most competitions.  This is not good enough, they must
> get gold in everything.

THAT was the one you showed me before.

>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
>> and the group which I run.
>

> Excellent, thank you.  People aren't flocking to it so much now covid

> research has declined.  People don't seem to care about cancer, which
> kills far more.
>
> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time.  If
> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

>>>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
>>>>>> holidays
>>>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their
>>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front
>>>>>> of our hire car.  I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet,
>>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure that was a salute?  The AA started as a warning for speed
>>>>> cameras.  If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would
>>>>> warn you.
>>>>
>>>> There's substantiating evidence too!
>>>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
>>>
>>> 1865: 4mph limit
>>> 1897: 14mph
>>> 1903: 20mph
>>> 1966: 70mph
>>> Isn't it about time they increased it again?
>>
>> I once would have agreed with you.
>
> Why do you no longer agree?

Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
>
> Indeed.  It's the slow ones you need to look out for.  They drive slow
> because they find driving difficult.

Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?

I would if you were going forwards!

> It's the most efficient method to get travelling in the opposite
> direction.  The first time I did this I was a teenager and was giving my
> friend a lift to see his girlfriend.  I don't know if it was on that
> occasion, but he got her pregnant then left the country!

Did you look after her and the baby yourself?

>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over
>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>>
>> Haha! :-D
>

> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
> gravity.

I know I've been travelling as fast as cars when going downhill on a bike!
There were no GPS measuring devices in my cycling days!

> If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
> to stop.  The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are.  I've had
> it for 26 years.  Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.

That warrants a photograph!

[Commander Kinsey]

Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock, but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.

> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
> wife is doing the ironing.

The earth leakage type or the overload type? The earth leakage ones hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an argument or two.

[1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea. Consider you touch a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd get a slight tingle or not even feel it. But now imagine your knee is touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a safety device.

>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>
> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

>>> I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(
>>
>> This is getting out of hand. I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am
>> running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win. They usually get in
>> 1/2/3rd place in most competitions. This is not good enough, they must
>> get gold in everything.
>
> THAT was the one you showed me before.

I only joined the Scottish Boinc Team last week. The only thing I told you about a long time ago was Rosetta, which doesn't have much work available just now, only for Windows on modern processors (they need AVX instructions - 5 of my 7 don't have that, and 1 slows down if I use it, as it runs on Oracle Virtualpox, sorry, box).

>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
>>> and the group which I run.
>>
>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>> kills far more.
>>
>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If
>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>
> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

>>>>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
>>>>>>> holidays
>>>>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their
>>>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front
>>>>>>> of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet,
>>>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for speed
>>>>>> cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would
>>>>>> warn you.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's substantiating evidence too!
>>>>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
>>>>
>>>> 1865: 4mph limit
>>>> 1897: 14mph
>>>> 1903: 20mph
>>>> 1966: 70mph
>>>> Isn't it about time they increased it again?
>>>
>>> I once would have agreed with you.
>>
>> Why do you no longer agree?
>
> Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!

I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
>>
>> Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow
>> because they find driving difficult.
>
> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.

>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
>
> I would if you were going forwards!

I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.

>> It's the most efficient method to get travelling in the opposite
>> direction. The first time I did this I was a teenager and was giving my
>> friend a lift to see his girlfriend. I don't know if it was on that
>> occasion, but he got her pregnant then left the country!
>
> Did you look after her and the baby yourself?

I had nothing to do with it. His dad arranged for him to disappear for a bit to a relative elsewhere.

>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over
>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>>>
>>> Haha! :-D
>>
>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
>> gravity.

OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

> I know I've been travelling as fast as cars when going downhill on a bike!
> There were no GPS measuring devices in my cycling days!

Mine was digital but counted the number of times a magnet passed the sensor on the edge of the wheel.

>> If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
>> to stop. The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are. I've had
>> it for 26 years. Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.
>
> That warrants a photograph!

It is under many things in the shed.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
>>> and the group which I run.
>>
>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>> kills far more.
>>
>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If
>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>
> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

How many points per day (PPD) are you getting? It should say in the control program if you click the graphics card etc. I'm on 2.2 million, using graphics cards only, the CPUs are busy with Universe for a competition.

I tired to find you, are you called "Boater"?

[David Brooks]

Tired, eh?!!! ;-)

This should help:- https://ibb.co/86TfYg3

HunterBD is my posting nym on tha Apple and Microsoft forums

[Commander Kinsey]

Spell checkers aren't that bright. Why don't they put grammar checkers into newsreaders etc? MS Word won't let you get those words mixed up. Even the pirate version.

> This should help:- https://ibb.co/86TfYg3

Ah, you don't get in the stats until you've completed some work. You will then find yourself here:
https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor

How come you're not running it on the GPU? Those are much faster.

As long as the ETA is a lot less than the "has x days to complete", you're doing something useful.

Mind you 2.2 million is more than 11,000.

> HunterBD is my posting nym on tha Apple and Microsoft forums

Tha Apple? At least tired is a word. I don't think tha is in the dictionary.

[David Brooks]

No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
13 Amps!

>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
>> wife is doing the ironing.
>
> The earth leakage type or the overload type?

Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

> The earth leakage ones
> hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose.  I
> disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
> flex.  I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
> her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
> feet [1].  But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
> it.  So clearly something is meant to go to earth.  At work, a microwave
> kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
> put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices.  That caused an
> argument or two.
>
> [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.  Consider you touch
> a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever.  Normally you'd
> get a slight tingle or not even feel it.  But now imagine your knee is
> touching an earthed washing machine.  240V on your hand, 0V on your
> knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between.  Death.  From a
> safety device.

Oh! Shiver me timbers!

>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning!  I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>>> sure what time this is for me.  I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>>
>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>
> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.  I get up when
> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

A bit like being retired - like me!

>>>> I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(
>>>
>>> This is getting out of hand.  I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am
>>> running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win.  They usually get in
>>> 1/2/3rd place in most competitions.  This is not good enough, they must
>>> get gold in everything.
>>
>> THAT was the one you showed me before.
>
> I only joined the Scottish Boinc Team last week.  The only thing I told
> you about a long time ago was Rosetta, which doesn't have much work
> available just now, only for Windows on modern processors (they need AVX
> instructions - 5 of my 7 don't have that, and 1 slows down if I use it,
> as it runs on Oracle Virtualpox, sorry, box).

You do make me smile, laddie!

>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
>>>> and the group which I run.
>>>
>>> Excellent, thank you.  People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>>> research has declined.  People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>>> kills far more.
>>>
>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time.  If
>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>>
>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>
> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out.  Fans are
> meant to spin.  Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

Understood. Thanks.

That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
vehicles on the road.

> I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
> overtaking his wife.  She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
> signs.  For another road.  He claimed it was because of the detour and
> more people using our road that our road had a limit.  What a crazy idea
> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

>>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
>>>
>>> Indeed.  It's the slow ones you need to look out for.  They drive slow
>>> because they find driving difficult.
>>
>> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
>
> Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.

You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

>>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
>>
>> I would if you were going forwards!
>
> I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.

I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
underway - travelling forwards!

>>> It's the most efficient method to get travelling in the opposite
>>> direction.  The first time I did this I was a teenager and was giving my
>>> friend a lift to see his girlfriend.  I don't know if it was on that
>>> occasion, but he got her pregnant then left the country!
>>
>> Did you look after her and the baby yourself?
>
> I had nothing to do with it.  His dad arranged for him to disappear for
> a bit to a relative elsewhere.

No doubt he was Scottish too. Bad blood. (in jest!

>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over
>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>>>>
>>>> Haha! :-D
>>>
>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
>>> gravity.
>
> OY!  I saw that!  You capitalised god!  You edited MY sentence!

Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

>> I know I've been travelling as fast as cars when going downhill on a
>> bike!
>> There were no GPS measuring devices in my cycling days!
>
> Mine was digital but counted the number of times a magnet passed the
> sensor on the edge of the wheel.

I can't recall my children having such things.

>>> If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
>>> to stop.  The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are.  I've had
>>> it for 26 years.  Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.
>>
>> That warrants a photograph!
>
> It is under many things in the shed.

Isn't that just typical?!!! You made it sound as if you STILL ride a
bike! ;-)

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
>>>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
>>>>> your house burns down around your hardware!
>>>>
>>>> It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
>>>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.
>>>
>>> Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!
>>
>> Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
>> but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things
>> aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is
>> not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if
>> you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
>> warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
>
> No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
> 13 Amps!

Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one washes. Whoops, melted socket.

>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
>>> wife is doing the ironing.
>>
>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
>
> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>
> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1]. It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire coming loose.

The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

[1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

>> The earth leakage ones
>> hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I
>> disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
>> flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
>> her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
>> feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
>> it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave
>> kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
>> put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
>> argument or two.
>>
>> [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea. Consider you touch
>> a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
>> get a slight tingle or not even feel it. But now imagine your knee is
>> touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
>> knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
>> safety device.
>
> Oh! Shiver me timbers!

A larger oh! if it was something higher than your knee :-)
Don't look up tens torture devices.

>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>>>
>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>>
>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>
> A bit like being retired - like me!

I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.

>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
>>>>> and the group which I run.
>>>>
>>>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>>>> kills far more.
>>>>
>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If
>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>>
>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
>
> Understood. Thanks.

To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.

>> I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
>> overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
>
> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

And delegate?

>>>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow
>>>> because they find driving difficult.
>>>
>>> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
>>
>> Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
>
> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is watching.

>>>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
>>>
>>> I would if you were going forwards!
>>
>> I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
>
> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
> underway - travelling forwards!

A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances. Unfortunately I usually own a car without a functional handbrake. Apart from the aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in gear.

>>>> It's the most efficient method to get travelling in the opposite
>>>> direction. The first time I did this I was a teenager and was giving my
>>>> friend a lift to see his girlfriend. I don't know if it was on that
>>>> occasion, but he got her pregnant then left the country!
>>>
>>> Did you look after her and the baby yourself?
>>
>> I had nothing to do with it. His dad arranged for him to disappear for
>> a bit to a relative elsewhere.
>
> No doubt he was Scottish too. Bad blood. (in jest!

Irish. Worse.

>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over
>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>>>>>
>>>>> Haha! :-D
>>>>
>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
>>>> gravity.
>>
>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
>
> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thankyou. The other colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.

>>> I know I've been travelling as fast as cars when going downhill on a
>>> bike!
>>> There were no GPS measuring devices in my cycling days!
>>
>> Mine was digital but counted the number of times a magnet passed the
>> sensor on the edge of the wheel.
>
> I can't recall my children having such things.

This would be in about 1990. Before that I had a mechanical one which had a small wheel running along the side of the tyre.

>>>> If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
>>>> to stop. The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are. I've had
>>>> it for 26 years. Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.
>>>
>>> That warrants a photograph!
>>
>> It is under many things in the shed.
>
> Isn't that just typical?!!! You made it sound as if you STILL ride a
> bike! ;-)

I used to, then decided running was more fun than cycling when doing it for fun, and driving was more convenient and efficient when doing it to get somewhere. I can't see the point of bikes unless we run out of oil.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

The two screws at the far left and right to hold on the cover don't seem to be closed securely. Perhaps you should straighten those up incase the cover falls off. I think the diagram means they should be horizontal to keep it closed.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

You must have one hell of a shower to need a 50A breaker. Normally I see 32A breakers.

[Whisky-dave]

That's partly the point an electric 3 bar fire or a washing machine in dryer mode
and a 3kw electric kettle. But these aren't always close enough and used at the same time
on a double outlet.
Not many things are used continuoisly or for a long period at 13 amps.
I doubt a washing maching would pull 13 amps and the heater would turn off and on anyway.
A kettle would but wouldn't be on for more than 10mins.

> >> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
> >> wife is doing the ironing.
> >
> > The earth leakage type or the overload type?
> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>
> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

Should be some intials like RCCB or something and then check wiki.
In a correctly wired property they should have the correct one fitted to the fuse box.

> > The earth leakage ones
> > hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I
> > disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
> > flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
> > her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
> > feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
> > it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave
> > kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
> > put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
> > argument or two.
> >
> > [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.

Not by those that know what they are doing.

>Consider you touch
> > a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
> > get a slight tingle or not even feel it.

Depending on how it is dameged.

> But now imagine your knee is
> > touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
> > knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
> > safety device.
> Oh! Shiver me timbers!

But if the washing machine was earthed it would blow the fuse or whatever device was in the consumer box that's the point.
That is why earthing a washing machine is a good idea same for most appliances.

> >>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
> >>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
> >>
> >> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
> >> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
> >
> > I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.

Most humans have this 24 hour cycle even animals do, this is why jet lag happens.

> I get up when
> > ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

Most people do but it's the define ready is what's important.
A former flatmate used to go to work about 9pm return home about 8am
go to bed midday get up about 7pm.

> A bit like being retired - like me!
> >>>> I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(
> >>>
> >>> This is getting out of hand. I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am
> >>> running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win. They usually get in
> >>> 1/2/3rd place in most competitions. This is not good enough, they must
> >>> get gold in everything.
> >>
> >> THAT was the one you showed me before.
> >
> > I only joined the Scottish Boinc Team last week. The only thing I told
> > you about a long time ago was Rosetta, which doesn't have much work
> > available just now, only for Windows on modern processors (they need AVX
> > instructions - 5 of my 7 don't have that, and 1 slows down if I use it,
> > as it runs on Oracle Virtualpox, sorry, box).
> You do make me smile, laddie!

Could get expensive running these things with electricity prices going up. ;-)

Too many people wanting to go from A-B

> > I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
> > overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
> > signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
> > more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
> > - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

But does that mean you have to travel faster.
I doubt most peolpe on a typivcal school run or to go to the loca supermarket would save much time
in a car capable of doing 200MHP over one capable of doing 70MPH

> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

I'd be up for that.

> >>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
> >>>
> >>> Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow
> >>> because they find driving difficult.
> >>
> >> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
> >
> > Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

Sounds agist Id like to see a 'test' you could take which once passed meant you could
drive above the speed limits others have to keep to. Provided you're car was up to standard too.

> >>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
> >>
> >> I would if you were going forwards!
> >
> > I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
> underway - travelling forwards!

How about a donut /Doughnut

[David Brooks]

By jove, you are correct! I've never had the cover off myself and never
paid it proper attention. Perhaps I'll remove it altogether and give it
a good clean whilst I'm at it!

Thanks.

[David Brooks]

Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.

>>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
>>>> wife is doing the ironing.
>>>
>>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
>>
>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>>
>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
>
> Yes I can tell.  The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
> prevent shocks.  It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
> earth, possibly through you, so it trips).  Unfortunately you have the
> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
> coming loose.

It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!

> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
> fire.  I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!

> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

Understood - but I didn't choose it!

>>> The earth leakage ones
>>> hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose.  I
>>> disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
>>> flex.  I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
>>> her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
>>> feet [1].  But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
>>> it.  So clearly something is meant to go to earth.  At work, a microwave
>>> kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
>>> put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices.  That caused an
>>> argument or two.
>>>
>>> [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.  Consider you touch
>>> a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever.  Normally you'd
>>> get a slight tingle or not even feel it.  But now imagine your knee is
>>> touching an earthed washing machine.  240V on your hand, 0V on your
>>> knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between.  Death.  From a
>>> safety device.
>>
>> Oh! Shiver me timbers!
>
> A larger oh! if it was something higher than your knee :-)
> Don't look up tens torture devices.

Haha! :-)

>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning!  I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>>>>> sure what time this is for me.  I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>>>>
>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>>>
>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.  I get up when
>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>>
>> A bit like being retired - like me!
>
> I'm 46 and have decided to retire now.  I can get my pension in 9 years.

I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
of just 55?

>>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
>>>>>> timeline
>>>>>> and the group which I run.
>>>>>
>>>>> Excellent, thank you.  People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>>>>> research has declined.  People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>>>>> kills far more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
>>>>> time.  If
>>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>>>
>>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out.  Fans are
>>> meant to spin.  Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
>>
>> Understood. Thanks.
>
> To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
> sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it.  Be ready to inhale a
> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!

We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
like a train!

>>> I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
>>> overtaking his wife.  She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
>>> signs.  For another road.  He claimed it was because of the detour and
>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit.  What a crazy idea
>>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
>>
>> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
>
> And delegate?

Yes, that too!

Remember the adage that I was taught.

'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.

In truth though:-

Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
It is the business of the wealthy man
To give employment to the artisan.

Hilaire Belloc

>>>>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed.  It's the slow ones you need to look out for.  They drive slow
>>>>> because they find driving difficult.
>>>>
>>>> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
>>>
>>> Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
>>
>> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?
>
> I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is
> watching.

GOD is watching you - ALWAYS!

>>>>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
>>>>
>>>> I would if you were going forwards!
>>>
>>> I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
>>
>> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
>> underway - travelling forwards!
>
> A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances.  Unfortunately I
> usually own a car without a functional handbrake.  Apart from the
> aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in
> gear.

You really are nuts!

>>>>> It's the most efficient method to get travelling in the opposite
>>>>> direction.  The first time I did this I was a teenager and was
>>>>> giving my
>>>>> friend a lift to see his girlfriend.  I don't know if it was on that
>>>>> occasion, but he got her pregnant then left the country!
>>>>
>>>> Did you look after her and the baby yourself?
>>>
>>> I had nothing to do with it.  His dad arranged for him to disappear for
>>> a bit to a relative elsewhere.
>>
>> No doubt he was Scottish too. Bad blood. (in jest!
>
> Irish.  Worse.

Nice one!

>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Haha! :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
>>>>> gravity.
>>>
>>> OY!  I saw that!  You capitalised god!  You edited MY sentence!
>>
>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
>
> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

You are nearly as bright as me!

> I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
> OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated.  I turned round to
> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly

> misaligned.  I straightened it, and he said thank you.  The other

> colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.

The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.

>>>> I know I've been travelling as fast as cars when going downhill on a
>>>> bike!
>>>> There were no GPS measuring devices in my cycling days!
>>>
>>> Mine was digital but counted the number of times a magnet passed the
>>> sensor on the edge of the wheel.
>>
>> I can't recall my children having such things.
>
> This would be in about 1990.  Before that I had a mechanical one which
> had a small wheel running along the side of the tyre.

I vaguely remember something like that.

>>>>> If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
>>>>> to stop.  The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are.  I've
>>>>> had
>>>>> it for 26 years.  Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.
>>>>
>>>> That warrants a photograph!
>>>
>>> It is under many things in the shed.
>>
>> Isn't that just typical?!!! You made it sound as if you STILL ride a
>> bike! ;-)
>
> I used to, then decided running was more fun than cycling when doing it
> for fun, and driving was more convenient and efficient when doing it to
> get somewhere.  I can't see the point of bikes unless we run out of oil.

You might need it again sooner than you think! Lets hope not, though.

Stay safe and well!

[David Brooks]

I'm going to let Commander Kinsey respond during his night shift! ;-)

I like the idea of a special driving license for good drivers like us! ;-)

[Commander Kinsey]

Best to clean it with a damp cloth, including all the metal conductive parts, and make sure you earth yourself so you can discharge any stray electricity. Don't turn the power off, the current will help it remove the dirt.

[Commander Kinsey]

Those consume tyres rather quickly.

> I like the idea of a special driving license for good drivers like us! ;-)

All they need to do is charge people for accidents instead of speeding. Crash at 70, get points. Don't crash at 100, get no points.

[David Brooks]

On 28/04/2022 22:16, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:23:52 +0100, David Brooks
> <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> On 28/04/2022 00:13, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
>>> <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>> Haha! ? But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first
>>>>> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed
>>>>> the wild Wallabies!
>>>>
>>>> https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr
>>>>
>>>> The colour has faded somewhat!
>>>>
>>>> Ah! Memories. :-D
>>>
>>>
>>> I have similar pics from the 70's and I have PShopped them all to
>>> great effect. Some are irredeemable though. Your's fixed is an
>>> example of the successes.
>>> https://postimg.cc/zb828JLZ
>>
>>
>> Wow! How kind of you to go to so much trouble, Peter.
>>
>> I really appreciate that. *THANK YOU*!
>>
>> Would you like another to 'play' with?
>
> Yes, OK. But it was no trouble.
> Regards.


Hello again, Peter.

My sister is asking if you have have made any progress on the Lands End
photograph. Has it proved to be more difficult than expected?

Thanks.

[Commander Kinsey]

I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip. Seems the strip was weaker than the 13A fuse. I gave the irritated teacher two new strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room. One washer and one dryer seemed to manage together.

>>>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
>>>>> wife is doing the ironing.
>>>>
>>>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
>>>
>>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>>>
>>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
>>
>> Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
>> prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
>> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
>> earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the
>> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
>> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
>> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
>> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
>> coming loose.
>
> It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
> small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!

Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.

>> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
>> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
>> fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
>> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
>> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.
>
> No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!
>
>> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
>> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
>> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!
>
> Understood - but I didn't choose it!

I have fuses :-)

>>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>>>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>>>>
>>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
>>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>>>
>>> A bit like being retired - like me!
>>
>> I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.
>
> I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
> of just 55?

I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

>>>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
>>>>>>> timeline
>>>>>>> and the group which I run.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>>>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>>>>>> kills far more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>>>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
>>>>>> time. If
>>>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>>>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
>>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
>>>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
>>>
>>> Understood. Thanks.
>>
>> To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
>> sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a
>> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!
>
> Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!

I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

But what exactly is the problem? You blow where the dust settles. If that's hidden away deeply, you can blow through a straw, or get an air canister (aerosol without any deoderant in it basically).

Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.

>>>> I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
>>>> overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
>>>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
>>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
>>>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
>>>
>>> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
>>
>> And delegate?
>
> Yes, that too!
>
> Remember the adage that I was taught.
>
> 'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.
>
> In truth though:-
>
> Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
> Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
> It is the business of the wealthy man
> To give employment to the artisan.
>
> Hilaire Belloc

This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.

>>>>>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow
>>>>>> because they find driving difficult.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
>>>
>>> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?
>>
>> I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is
>> watching.
>
> GOD is watching you - ALWAYS!

He hasn't told me off yet, he might be a boy racer. Imagine god was a loud mouthed teenager, and we're all inside a game he's playing on a computer.

>>>>>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would if you were going forwards!
>>>>
>>>> I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
>>>
>>> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
>>> underway - travelling forwards!
>>
>> A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances. Unfortunately I
>> usually own a car without a functional handbrake. Apart from the
>> aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in
>> gear.
>
> You really are nuts!

What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

>>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Haha! :-D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
>>>>>> gravity.
>>>>
>>>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
>>>
>>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
>>
>> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
>
> You are nearly as bright as me!

[titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

>> I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
>> OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to
>> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
>> misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
>> colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.
>
> The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.

In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.

We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).

>>>>>> If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
>>>>>> to stop. The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are. I've
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> it for 26 years. Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.
>>>>>
>>>>> That warrants a photograph!
>>>>
>>>> It is under many things in the shed.
>>>
>>> Isn't that just typical?!!! You made it sound as if you STILL ride a
>>> bike! ;-)
>>
>> I used to, then decided running was more fun than cycling when doing it
>> for fun, and driving was more convenient and efficient when doing it to
>> get somewhere. I can't see the point of bikes unless we run out of oil.
>
> You might need it again sooner than you think! Lets hope not, though.
>
> Stay safe and well!

If I get less well I will not be cycling.

We will run out of Lithium.....

[Whisky-dave]

I have a LG washer dryer and it says in the instructions NOT to use it from an extention strip.
Which might seema bit odd but I'm guessing it's because some idiot would and plug a kettle, toaster and fan heater into the same strip.

> >>>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
> >>>>> wife is doing the ironing.
> >>>>
> >>>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
> >>>
> >>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
> >>>
> >>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
> >>
> >> Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
> >> prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
> >> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
> >> earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the
> >> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
> >> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
> >> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
> >> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
> >> coming loose.
> >
> > It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
> > small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
> Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.

If it's an old iron could be that the flex has twisted somewhere and worn internally
and a strange of the live wire comes into contact with earth.
Also I've seen on old appliences that a ON neon is connected between live and earth
and that can trigger a cutout, even seen one on a PSU where one side of the neon was connected to Live and the other to the metal case of the PSU
which was earthed.

> >> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
> >> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
> >> fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
> >> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
> >> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.
> >
> > No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!
> >
> >> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
> >> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
> >> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!
> >
> > Understood - but I didn't choose it!
> I have fuses :-)

I do too and thinking of updating

> >>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
> >>>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
> >>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
> >>>>
> >>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
> >>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
> >>>
> >>> A bit like being retired - like me!
> >>
> >> I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.
> >
> > I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
> > of just 55?
> I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

Yes I think that is correct but you can lose quite a bit by taking it so early .
Normally it's about 60 is reasonable.

> >>>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
> >>>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
> >>>>>>> timeline
> >>>>>>> and the group which I run.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
> >>>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
> >>>>>> kills far more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
> >>>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
> >>>>>> time. If
> >>>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
> >>>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
> >>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
> >>>>
> >>>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
> >>>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
> >>>
> >>> Understood. Thanks.
> >>
> >> To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
> >> sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a
> >> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!
> >
> > Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!
> I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

This boy obviously has no sense of style ;-)

That doesn't really much much sense if you take into account breaking distances.
I know in F1 cars can be 6 inches apart and be doing 200MPH but they have really good brakes and drivers.
I wouldn't have thought a couple of volvos doing a ~70 MPH and if one hit the brakes the other could stop within 2 metre social distancing.
One day perhaps if boy have driverless mode and communicat with each other.

> >>>> I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
> >>>> overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
> >>>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
> >>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
> >>>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
> >>>
> >>> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
> >>
> >> And delegate?
> >
> > Yes, that too!
> >
> > Remember the adage that I was taught.
> >
> > 'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.
> >
> > In truth though:-
> >
> > Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
> > Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
> > It is the business of the wealthy man
> > To give employment to the artisan.
> >
> > Hilaire Belloc
> This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.

For me it depends on how they get rich. Don't really want to bring back slavery

> >>>>>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow
> >>>>>> because they find driving difficult.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
> >>>
> >>> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?
> >>
> >> I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is
> >> watching.
> >
> > GOD is watching you - ALWAYS!
> He hasn't told me off yet, he might be a boy racer. Imagine god was a loud mouthed teenager, and we're all inside a game he's playing on a computer.

Like carmeggedon.

> >>>>>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would if you were going forwards!
> >>>>
> >>>> I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
> >>>
> >>> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
> >>> underway - travelling forwards!
> >>
> >> A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances. Unfortunately I
> >> usually own a car without a functional handbrake. Apart from the
> >> aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in
> >> gear.
> >
> > You really are nuts!
> What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill. Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
without the drivers or owners permission.

> >>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
> >>>>>>>> over
> >>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Haha! :-D
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
> >>>>>> gravity.
> >>>>
> >>>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
> >>>
> >>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
> >>
> >> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
> >
> > You are nearly as bright as me!
> [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde

> >> I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
> >> OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to
> >> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
> >> misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
> >> colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.
> >
> > The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
> In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.

I do the same with students.

>
> We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).

I've done similar things I even put a notice on the wall upside down the students were laughing , I asked them what was funny , they said because it's upside down,
I said Ah so you've actually read it then , so you know I'm closed for lunch from 1-2pm, so you won't keep knocking on the door now will you.

[David Brooks]

OK

>>>>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again
>>>>>> when my
>>>>>> wife is doing the ironing.
>>>>>
>>>>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
>>>>
>>>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>>>>
>>>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
>>>
>>> Yes I can tell.  The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
>>> prevent shocks.  It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
>>> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
>>> earth, possibly through you, so it trips).  Unfortunately you have the
>>> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
>>> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
>>> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
>>> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
>>> coming loose.
>>
>> It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
>> small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
>
> Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth.  Or
> through your wife.

It's intermittent. The very worst kind of fault. Perhaps every seventh
time she uses the iron. After a reset everything works fine again
(including my Mrs!)

>>> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
>>> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
>>> fire.  I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
>>> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
>>> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.
>>
>> No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!
>>
>>> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
>>> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
>>> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!
>>
>> Understood - but I didn't choose it!
>
> I have fuses :-)

Ha! Yet MY house, the original part, was built in 1850!

>>>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning!  I got up at 11:30pm, so
>>>>>>> I'm not
>>>>>>> sure what time this is for me.  I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>>>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>>>>>
>>>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.  I get up when
>>>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>>>>
>>>> A bit like being retired - like me!
>>>
>>> I'm 46 and have decided to retire now.  I can get my pension in 9 years.
>>
>> I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
>> of just 55?
>
> I thought it was a law.  Maybe it's because mine are government plans.
> 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

I'm not certain you are right about this. :-(

May I suggest you apply for a pension forecast?
https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension

You might be in for a REALLY nasty shock. :-(

Nor be seen in a Roller, eh?!!

> But what exactly is the problem?  You blow where the dust settles.  If
> that's hidden away deeply, you can blow through a straw, or get an air
> canister (aerosol without any deoderant in it basically).

Yes, I have used such cannisters.

I get what you say - but it's not for me.

>>>>> I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
>>>>> overtaking his wife.  She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of
>>>>> roadworks
>>>>> signs.  For another road.  He claimed it was because of the detour and
>>>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit.  What a crazy
>>>>> idea
>>>>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
>>>>
>>>> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
>>>
>>> And delegate?
>>
>> Yes, that too!
>>
>> Remember the adage that I was taught.
>>
>> 'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.
>>
>> In truth though:-
>>
>> Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
>> Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
>> It is the business of the wealthy man
>> To give employment to the artisan.
>>
>> Hilaire Belloc
>
> This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that
> money much faster than anyone else.  The moaners should just go work for
> them, or make things they want to buy.

I've always recognised you to be an intelligent young fellow.

>>>>>>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed.  It's the slow ones you need to look out for.  They drive
>>>>>>> slow
>>>>>>> because they find driving difficult.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
>>>>
>>>> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?
>>>
>>> I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is
>>> watching.
>>
>> GOD is watching you - ALWAYS!
>
> He hasn't told me off yet, he might be a boy racer.  Imagine god was a
> loud mouthed teenager, and we're all inside a game he's playing on a
> computer.

We could well be playthings in a computer game. I accept that.

>>>>>>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a
>>>>>>> J-turn?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would if you were going forwards!
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
>>>>
>>>> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
>>>> underway - travelling forwards!
>>>
>>> A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances.  Unfortunately I
>>> usually own a car without a functional handbrake.  Apart from the
>>> aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in
>>> gear.
>>
>> You really are nuts!
>
> What do you use your handbrake for?  It really does serve no purpose.

Parking on a hill. Cars left only in gear,
have been known to 'creep'.

>>>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Haha! :-D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
>>>>>>> gravity.
>>>>>
>>>>> OY!  I saw that!  You capitalised god!  You edited MY sentence!
>>>>
>>>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
>>>
>>> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
>>
>> You are nearly as bright as me!
>
> [titter]  So what bright things have you done in your life?

That will need some thought!

>>> I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
>>> OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated.  I turned round to
>>> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
>>> misaligned.  I straightened it, and he said thank you.  The other
>>> colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.
>>
>> The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
>
> In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I
> knew would irritated him, and corrected it.

I heard what you said the first time. SOMETHING made you look!

> We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a
> poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing".
> Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes.  I have to
> wonder if the teacher left that there as a punishment for their
> stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in
> the school).

It took me a moment to notice that the 'n' was missing.

>>>>>>> If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
>>>>>>> to stop.  The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are.  I've
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> it for 26 years.  Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That warrants a photograph!
>>>>>
>>>>> It is under many things in the shed.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't that just typical?!!! You made it sound as if you STILL ride a
>>>> bike! ;-)
>>>
>>> I used to, then decided running was more fun than cycling when doing it
>>> for fun, and driving was more convenient and efficient when doing it to
>>> get somewhere.  I can't see the point of bikes unless we run out of oil.
>>
>> You might need it again sooner than you think! Lets hope not, though.
>>
>> Stay safe and well!
>
> If I get less well I will not be cycling.

Please email me and explain.

> We will run out of Lithium.....

We will. We'll invent another way! ;-)

[Commander Kinsey]

Just open it and check for loose things. The iron that is.

>>>> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
>>>> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
>>>> fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
>>>> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
>>>> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.
>>>
>>> No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!
>>>
>>>> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
>>>> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
>>>> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!
>>>
>>> Understood - but I didn't choose it!
>>
>> I have fuses :-)
>
> Ha! Yet MY house, the original part, was built in 1850!

Oh. A previous owner did one of those rewiring things you're meant to do. If it ain't broke don't fix it. When I were a lad (80s) I remember someone's house with the good old round pin sockets! My primary school had them too. Then some health and softy moron introduced a plug in circuit breaker for the BBC computer we used. It tripped every half an hour, possibly from the CUB monitor sending static to the chassis or the person touching it. I took it home for an expert friend of my dad to repair (then just opened it myself and bypassed it). That made it stop tripping :-)

>>>>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so
>>>>>>>> I'm not
>>>>>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>>>>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
>>>>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>>>>>
>>>>> A bit like being retired - like me!
>>>>
>>>> I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.
>>>
>>> I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
>>> of just 55?
>>
>> I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans.
>> 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.
>
> I'm not certain you are right about this. :-(

It says so on the pension documents I get every 6 months with the news about investments or something.

> May I suggest you apply for a pension forecast?
> https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
>
> You might be in for a REALLY nasty shock. :-(

It's not the state pension I'm referring to.

What on earth has a Rolls Royce to do with an Apple?

>> But what exactly is the problem? You blow where the dust settles. If
>> that's hidden away deeply, you can blow through a straw, or get an air
>> canister (aerosol without any deoderant in it basically).
>
> Yes, I have used such cannisters.

I just use my mouth.

Ah, a tender girly man.

>>>>>> I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
>>>>>> overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of
>>>>>> roadworks
>>>>>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
>>>>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy
>>>>>> idea
>>>>>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> And delegate?
>>>
>>> Yes, that too!
>>>
>>> Remember the adage that I was taught.
>>>
>>> 'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.
>>>
>>> In truth though:-
>>>
>>> Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
>>> Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
>>> It is the business of the wealthy man
>>> To give employment to the artisan.
>>>
>>> Hilaire Belloc
>>
>> This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that
>> money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for
>> them, or make things they want to buy.
>
> I've always recognised you to be an intelligent young fellow.

I am based on logic, something most people lack. An animal has no logic, only emotion. Humans are supposed to be better than that.

>>>>>>>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive
>>>>>>>> slow
>>>>>>>> because they find driving difficult.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
>>>>>
>>>>> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?
>>>>
>>>> I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is
>>>> watching.
>>>
>>> GOD is watching you - ALWAYS!
>>
>> He hasn't told me off yet, he might be a boy racer. Imagine god was a
>> loud mouthed teenager, and we're all inside a game he's playing on a
>> computer.
>
> We could well be playthings in a computer game. I accept that.

Aha! So David Brooks is actually an agnostic!

>>>>>>>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a
>>>>>>>> J-turn?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would if you were going forwards!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
>>>>> underway - travelling forwards!
>>>>
>>>> A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances. Unfortunately I
>>>> usually own a car without a functional handbrake. Apart from the
>>>> aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in
>>>> gear.
>>>
>>> You really are nuts!
>>
>> What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.
>
> Parking on a hill. Cars left only in gear,
> have been known to 'creep'.

I only found that once. A Rover on a very steep hill indeed. It didn't creep, it actually rolled down the hill at 5mph turning the engine over. I put the ignition on and it started!

Anyway, the braking from the engine is always considerably more than a brake applied by what looks like a bicycle brake cable. Automatics care best, a pin goes through the gearbox in park. And yet those still have handbrakes?!?

>>>>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Haha! :-D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
>>>>>>>> gravity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
>>>>>
>>>>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
>>>
>>> You are nearly as bright as me!
>>
>> [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?
>
> That will need some thought!

Does that mean there are not many?

>>>> I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
>>>> OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to
>>>> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
>>>> misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
>>>> colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.
>>>
>>> The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
>>
>> In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I
>> knew would irritated him, and corrected it.
>
> I heard what you said the first time. SOMETHING made you look!

Yes, his face looked irritated. So my perception, not divine intervention. There's always a logical reason for things that religious nuts jump to conclusions about.

>> We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a
>> poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing".
>> Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to
>> wonder if the teacher left that there as a punishment for their
>> stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in
>> the school).
>
> It took me a moment to notice that the 'n' was missing.

https://www.specsavers.co.uk/

Or did they mean leering?

>>>>>>>> If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
>>>>>>>> to stop. The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are. I've
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> it for 26 years. Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That warrants a photograph!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is under many things in the shed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't that just typical?!!! You made it sound as if you STILL ride a
>>>>> bike! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I used to, then decided running was more fun than cycling when doing it
>>>> for fun, and driving was more convenient and efficient when doing it to
>>>> get somewhere. I can't see the point of bikes unless we run out of oil.
>>>
>>> You might need it again sooner than you think! Lets hope not, though.
>>>
>>> Stay safe and well!
>>
>> If I get less well I will not be cycling.
>
> Please email me and explain.
>
>> We will run out of Lithium.....
>
> We will. We'll invent another way! ;-)

Indeed - batteries can be made of all sorts.

[geoff]

On 6/05/2022 3:24 am, David Brooks wrote:
> On 05/05/2022 12:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks
>> <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks
>>>> <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>> <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks

>

>> We will run out of Lithium.....
>
> We will. We'll invent another way! ;-)
>

Wouldn't it be great if David Brooks/Commander Kinsey could set up a
dedicated newsgroup of his own, fuck off, and and carry out his extended
diatribes with himself there rather than polluting other newsgroups.

geoff

[Savageduck]

Agreed!
DB does nothing but pollute newsgroups totally Off topic crud, and odd
behavior.
I have him effectively filtered, unfortunately the pollution, and
damage are all too evident.
--
Regards,
Savageduck

[Commander Kinsey]

You have him ineffectively filtered, or you wouldn't be reading this thread. It says David Brooks right up there!!!!!! Come on! What shit are you using to filter?!

[David Brooks]

On 06/05/2022 11:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
[....]

>>> Wouldn't it be great if David Brooks/Commander Kinsey could set up a
>>> dedicated newsgroup of his own, fuck off, and and carry out his
>>> extended diatribes with himself there rather than polluting other
>>> newsgroups.
>>>
>>> geoff
>>
>> Agreed!
>> DB does nothing but pollute newsgroups totally Off topic crud, and odd
>> behavior.
>> I have him effectively filtered, unfortunately the pollution, and
>> damage are all too evident.
>
> You have him ineffectively filtered, or you wouldn't be reading this
> thread.  It says David Brooks right up there!!!!!!  Come on!  What shit
> are you using to filter?!

Will you explain to 'geoff' that I already HAVE my own (commandeered)
Usenet group known as 'alt.computer.workshop'. Everyone is welcome!

I'll be quite happy to come over to help him on 'rec.audio.pro' if he
wants me to. Just say the word!

Leonard (Savageduck) lets his real name slip out sometimes - I think he
blames me for his mistakes.

[Peter Jason]

On Thu, 5 May 2022 11:20:58 +0100, David Brooks

Yes somewhat. The photo is against the light. (the server has been
down here).
This is the best I could do for now, though your sending a larger file
might help a little.) The yellow cast has gone, I've lightened the
faces a little, sharpening the image reveals spots and scratches, and
I've increased the vibrance a little. Importantly I've added the
annotation that is very important for future viewers.
If you can get PShop or similar then all the above is possible.
Quality scanning means a lot too. If you have many many
photos/slides then some commercial scanning service might be the way
to go after which you can adjust and annotate at leisure. Do this
while the subjects are still alive. And before the photos deteriorate
further.
https://postimg.cc/FkYdnr3R

[David Brooks]

Thank you for your efforts and comments, Peter.

My parents died long ago and my younger son died when he was just 28
years of age.

[Peter Jason]

On Mon, 9 May 2022 23:03:45 +0100, David Brooks

I'm sorry to hear that David. I too have lost many of the past and now
I treasure all the old photos most of which have no comments on the
subjects names and where/when they were taken. Lately I have been
scrounging around distant relatives of my parents for their old photos
with the deal being my scanning them and returning the originals along
with my others they know nothing of. My father, long dead, once
threw out three kilos of old negatives in an old shoe box to my
endless regret. Lately I've been scanning old letters from WWII,
wills, birth certificates etc and giving copies to all relatives who
will take them.

[Tony Cooper]

Couldn't help taking a crack at it. I cleaned up the sky and brought
in a little color in the sky. The sky shouldn't compete with the
figures, so I went for just a little color. Cloned out a number of
problems in the figures, but didn't work on the faces. Too little to
work with.

Cleaned up the yellow in the sign. Ran it through a High Pass
filter/Overlay. Removed the "annotation" because viewers don't care
what was done.

Anytime you're working with scans of old photos, the quality of the
finished job will depend on the quality of the scan. This was a poor
scan to begin with.

https://folio.ink/dbzQAR
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

[David Brooks]

Thank you for your kind comment, Peter.

You obviously find plenty to do with your spare time. Well done.

Forgive me - may I ask you to provide a link to the image which you
cleaned up for me? Thanks.

--
David

[Commander Kinsey]

"Probably won't happen" is no reason to put a potential fire in your house.

> Not many things are used continuoisly or for a long period at 13 amps.
> I doubt a washing maching would pull 13 amps and the heater would turn off and on anyway.
> A kettle would but wouldn't be on for more than 10mins.

People plug in fanheaters everywhere.

>> >> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
>> >> wife is doing the ironing.
>> >
>> > The earth leakage type or the overload type?
>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>>
>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
>
> Should be some intials like RCCB or something and then check wiki.
> In a correctly wired property they should have the correct one fitted to the fuse box.

Is this acceptable to you?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wuhy3rnur87yrz9/s-l1600.jpg?dl=0

>> > The earth leakage ones
>> > hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I
>> > disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
>> > flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
>> > her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
>> > feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
>> > it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave
>> > kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
>> > put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
>> > argument or two.
>> >
>> > [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.
>
> Not by those that know what they are doing.

And you expect a woman in the kitchen to know about earths?

> >Consider you touch
>> > a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
>> > get a slight tingle or not even feel it.
>
> Depending on how it is dameged.

Doesn't matter, the point is there is a live wire to touch. Best not to have an earth to go with it.

>> But now imagine your knee is
>> > touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
>> > knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
>> > safety device.
>> Oh! Shiver me timbers!
>
> But if the washing machine was earthed it would blow the fuse or whatever device was in the consumer box that's the point.
> That is why earthing a washing machine is a good idea same for most appliances.

Not if the bare live wasn't touching the machine. A damaged flex is likely in a kitchen. Touch that and the earthed machine and you get a lot of current through you.

>> >>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>> >>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>> >>
>> >> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>> >> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>> >
>> > I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.
>
> Most humans have this 24 hour cycle even animals do, this is why jet lag happens.

Doesn't work with indoor lighting.

>> I get up when
>> > ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>
> Most people do but it's the define ready is what's important.

Is English please?

> A former flatmate used to go to work about 9pm return home about 8am
> go to bed midday get up about 7pm.
>
>> A bit like being retired - like me!
>> >>>> I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(
>> >>>
>> >>> This is getting out of hand. I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am
>> >>> running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win. They usually get in
>> >>> 1/2/3rd place in most competitions. This is not good enough, they must
>> >>> get gold in everything.
>> >>
>> >> THAT was the one you showed me before.
>> >
>> > I only joined the Scottish Boinc Team last week. The only thing I told
>> > you about a long time ago was Rosetta, which doesn't have much work
>> > available just now, only for Windows on modern processors (they need AVX
>> > instructions - 5 of my 7 don't have that, and 1 slows down if I use it,
>> > as it runs on Oracle Virtualpox, sorry, box).
>> You do make me smile, laddie!
>
> Could get expensive running these things with electricity prices going up. ;-)

I'm still on a very low fixed plan! I'm costing them a lot.

If they went twice as fast, twice as many cars could do so.

>> > I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
>> > overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
>> > signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
>> > more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
>> > - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
>
> But does that mean you have to travel faster.
> I doubt most peolpe on a typivcal school run or to go to the loca supermarket would save much time
> in a car capable of doing 200MHP over one capable of doing 70MPH

No, but they would do well to go 40 instead of 20.

And actually acceleration is good for cutting in front of the slower drivers. I overtook a BMW on the roundabout the other day, and surprisingly they didn't get angry. Most BMW drivers do. They were in the wrong lane, I was in the correct lane. So I drove faster and they had to slam on their brakes. Not many people get the correct lane there - the highway code is very clear. If there are two lanes entering a roundabout, the left lane is used for going straight ahead unless otherwise marked. So many people think thee left lane is only for going left.

>> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
>
> I'd be up for that.
>
>> >>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
>> >>>
>> >>> Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow
>> >>> because they find driving difficult.
>> >>
>> >> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
>> >
>> > Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
>> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?
>
> Sounds agist Id like to see a 'test' you could take which once passed meant you could
> drive above the speed limits others have to keep to. Provided you're car was up to standard too.

Delete the last sentence and I agree.

>> >>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
>> >>
>> >> I would if you were going forwards!
>> >
>> > I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
>> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
>> underway - travelling forwards!
>
> How about a donut /Doughnut

I'll only do one if you spell it correctly and pay for the tyres.

[Commander Kinsey]

I see all sorts of weird stuff like that. My dad's log splitter is 2kW (might be 2.5) and says not to use on an extension cord over 5m. I have a 50m cord that says 13A (just over 3kW), so I don't see the problem. Unless they want to lessen the risk of tripping over it? It's running on a 10m cord half unwound attached to a 10m cord fully unwound which is already there for a freezer. I've split about 50 1-tonne bags of logs with it and it works fine. Motorised hydraulics is fun.

>> >>>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
>> >>>>> wife is doing the ironing.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
>> >>>
>> >>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>> >>>
>> >>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
>> >>
>> >> Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
>> >> prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
>> >> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
>> >> earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the
>> >> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
>> >> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
>> >> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
>> >> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
>> >> coming loose.
>> >
>> > It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
>> > small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
>> Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.
>
> If it's an old iron could be that the flex has twisted somewhere and worn internally
> and a strange of the live wire comes into contact with earth.
> Also I've seen on old appliences that a ON neon is connected between live and earth
> and that can trigger a cutout, even seen one on a PSU where one side of the neon was connected to Live and the other to the metal case of the PSU
> which was earthed.

Some of the lighting in my house uses earth instead of neutral because it was more convenient to connect to that. Just aswell I only have fuses. They're the same thing anyway, there are only 2 conductors coming into my house.

>> >> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
>> >> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
>> >> fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
>> >> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
>> >> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.
>> >
>> > No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!
>> >
>> >> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
>> >> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
>> >> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!
>> >
>> > Understood - but I didn't choose it!
>> I have fuses :-)
>
> I do too and thinking of updating

Why bother? You'll just earn yourself nuisance trips.

>> >>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>> >>>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>> >>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
>> >>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>> >>>
>> >>> A bit like being retired - like me!
>> >>
>> >> I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.
>> >
>> > I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
>> > of just 55?
>> I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.
>
> Yes I think that is correct but you can lose quite a bit by taking it so early .
> Normally it's about 60 is reasonable.

I haven't checked the amounts, but I assume they assume you will die at a certain age. So if you're taking it over twice as many years, they halve the amount (with adjustments for interest and inflation etc).

>> >>>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>> >>>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
>> >>>>>>> timeline
>> >>>>>>> and the group which I run.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>> >>>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>> >>>>>> kills far more.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>> >>>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
>> >>>>>> time. If
>> >>>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>> >>>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
>> >>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
>> >>>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
>> >>>
>> >>> Understood. Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
>> >> sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a
>> >> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!
>> >
>> > Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!
>> I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.
>
> This boy obviously has no sense of style ;-)

A computer is a functional item, not a fucking ornament.

What?! If you're 1 foot behind the next car, and it jams it's brakes on, you will hit it with a closing speed of about 2mph and do no damage. This will make you go "shit!" and jam on your brakes too.

> I know in F1 cars can be 6 inches apart and be doing 200MPH but they have really good brakes and drivers.
> I wouldn't have thought a couple of volvos doing a ~70 MPH and if one hit the brakes the other could stop within 2 metre social distancing.

You don't have to stop in 2m, you have to react in 2m.

> One day perhaps if boy have driverless mode and communicat with each other.

Driverless boys?! No no, they must be tied up and given strict instructions.

>> >>>> I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
>> >>>> overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
>> >>>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
>> >>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
>> >>>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
>> >>>
>> >>> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
>> >>
>> >> And delegate?
>> >
>> > Yes, that too!
>> >
>> > Remember the adage that I was taught.
>> >
>> > 'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.
>> >
>> > In truth though:-
>> >
>> > Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
>> > Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
>> > It is the business of the wealthy man
>> > To give employment to the artisan.
>> >
>> > Hilaire Belloc
>> This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.
>
> For me it depends on how they get rich. Don't really want to bring back slavery

I do. I'd love to have someone else doing things for me, preferably naked.

And actually most slaves were very happy, they got a free home in a nice place. They didn't have to concern themselves with finances either.

>> >>>>>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow
>> >>>>>> because they find driving difficult.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
>> >>>
>> >>> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?
>> >>
>> >> I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is
>> >> watching.
>> >
>> > GOD is watching you - ALWAYS!
>> He hasn't told me off yet, he might be a boy racer. Imagine god was a loud mouthed teenager, and we're all inside a game he's playing on a computer.
>
> Like carmeggedon.

I had the splat pack.

"I was in the war!!!"

>> >>>>>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I would if you were going forwards!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
>> >>>
>> >>> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
>> >>> underway - travelling forwards!
>> >>
>> >> A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances. Unfortunately I
>> >> usually own a car without a functional handbrake. Apart from the
>> >> aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in
>> >> gear.
>> >
>> > You really are nuts!
>> What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.
>
> I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.

It would have to be a fucking steep hill, I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time in gear.

> Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
> without the drivers or owners permission.

Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

>> >>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
>> >>>>>>>> over
>> >>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Haha! :-D
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
>> >>>>>> gravity.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
>> >>>
>> >>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
>> >>
>> >> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
>> >
>> > You are nearly as bright as me!
>> [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?
>
> and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde

Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows. They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

>> >> I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
>> >> OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to
>> >> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
>> >> misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
>> >> colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.
>> >
>> > The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
>> In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.
>
> I do the same with students.

For example?

>> We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).
>
> I've done similar things I even put a notice on the wall upside down the students were laughing , I asked them what was funny , they said because it's upside down,
> I said Ah so you've actually read it then , so you know I'm closed for lunch from 1-2pm, so you won't keep knocking on the door now will you.

I never closed for lunch. In fact lunch was the best time to fix things, when others weren't using the computers.

[Whisky-dave]

Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most houses don't have enough sockets
and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have 3 extra sockets to use some have more.

> > Not many things are used continuoisly or for a long period at 13 amps.
> > I doubt a washing maching would pull 13 amps and the heater would turn off and on anyway.
> > A kettle would but wouldn't be on for more than 10mins.
> People plug in fanheaters everywhere.

So, but I doubt more than 2 or 3 are running at the same time.

> >> >> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
> >> >> wife is doing the ironing.
> >> >
> >> > The earth leakage type or the overload type?
> >> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
> >>
> >> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
> >
> > Should be some intials like RCCB or something and then check wiki.
> > In a correctly wired property they should have the correct one fitted to the fuse box.
> Is this acceptable to you?
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wuhy3rnur87yrz9/s-l1600.jpg?dl=0

Looks a bit risky what would happen if you plugged 5 fan heaters in.
Strange that so many are off too.

> >> > The earth leakage ones
> >> > hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I
> >> > disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
> >> > flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
> >> > her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
> >> > feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
> >> > it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave
> >> > kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
> >> > put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
> >> > argument or two.
> >> >
> >> > [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.
> >
> > Not by those that know what they are doing.
> And you expect a woman in the kitchen to know about earths?
> > >Consider you touch
> >> > a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
> >> > get a slight tingle or not even feel it.
> >
> > Depending on how it is dameged.
> Doesn't matter, the point is there is a live wire to touch. Best not to have an earth to go with it.

Best if the earth touches the live wire before a person does that's the point.

> >> But now imagine your knee is
> >> > touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
> >> > knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
> >> > safety device.
> >> Oh! Shiver me timbers!
> >
> > But if the washing machine was earthed it would blow the fuse or whatever device was in the consumer box that's the point.
> > That is why earthing a washing machine is a good idea same for most appliances.
> Not if the bare live wasn't touching the machine. A damaged flex is likely in a kitchen. Touch that and the earthed machine and you get a lot of current through you.

A damaged flex is likely to short yhe live to the earth blowing the fuse or cutout that's the point.

> >> >>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
> >> >>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
> >> >>
> >> >> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
> >> >> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
> >> >
> >> > I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.
> >
> > Most humans have this 24 hour cycle even animals do, this is why jet lag happens.
> Doesn't work with indoor lighting.

It does, but like everything else it can be overruled to some extent.

> >> I get up when
> >> > ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
> >
> > Most people do but it's the define ready is what's important.
> Is English please?

I went to bed just after

> >> > The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
> >> That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
> >> vehicles on the road.
> >
> > Too many people wanting to go from A-B
> If they went twice as fast, twice as many cars could do so.

Doesn;t work like that. As people have to stop a turn and slow down.
Then more people would start traveling.

> >> > I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
> >> > overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
> >> > signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
> >> > more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
> >> > - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
> >
> > But does that mean you have to travel faster.
> > I doubt most peolpe on a typivcal school run or to go to the loca supermarket would save much time
> > in a car capable of doing 200MHP over one capable of doing 70MPH
> No, but they would do well to go 40 instead of 20.

Facts show that doesn't work too well.

> And actually acceleration is good for cutting in front of the slower drivers.

Good brrakes are handy too, and a driver withy a brain is even better.

> I overtook a BMW on the roundabout the other day, and surprisingly they didn't get angry. Most BMW drivers do. They were in the wrong lane, I was in the correct lane. So I drove faster and they had to slam on their brakes. Not many people get the correct lane there - the highway code is very clear. If there are two lanes entering a roundabout, the left lane is used for going straight ahead unless otherwise marked. So many people think thee left lane is only for going left.
> >> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
> >
> > I'd be up for that.
> >
> >> >>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow
> >> >>> because they find driving difficult.
> >> >>
> >> >> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
> >> >
> >> > Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
> >> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?
> >
> > Sounds agist Id like to see a 'test' you could take which once passed meant you could
> > drive above the speed limits others have to keep to. Provided you're car was up to standard too.
> Delete the last sentence and I agree.
> >> >>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
> >> >>
> >> >> I would if you were going forwards!
> >> >
> >> > I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
> >> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
> >> underway - travelling forwards!
> >
> > How about a donut /Doughnut
> I'll only do one if you spell it correctly and pay for the tyres.

No idea how to spell it , seems to be country dependant.
Why care about tyres as they also wear out quicker if you drive faster.

[Whisky-dave]

Thought you knew about physics, it''s a coil and due to induction( sort of eddy currents, resisyance/impedance) and the like it is more likely to heat up and retain that heat than a single lengh of cable.

> Unless they want to lessen the risk of tripping over it? It's running on a 10m cord half unwound attached to a 10m cord fully unwound which is already there for a freezer. I've split about 50 1-tonne bags of logs with it and it works fine. Motorised hydraulics is fun.

I doubt it's on for very long periods continiously that is.

> >> >>>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
> >> >>>>> wife is doing the ironing.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
> >> >> prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
> >> >> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
> >> >> earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the
> >> >> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
> >> >> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
> >> >> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
> >> >> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
> >> >> coming loose.
> >> >
> >> > It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
> >> > small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
> >> Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.
> >
> > If it's an old iron could be that the flex has twisted somewhere and worn internally
> > and a strange of the live wire comes into contact with earth.
> > Also I've seen on old appliences that a ON neon is connected between live and earth
> > and that can trigger a cutout, even seen one on a PSU where one side of the neon was connected to Live and the other to the metal case of the PSU
> > which was earthed.
> Some of the lighting in my house uses earth instead of neutral because it was more convenient to connect to that. Just aswell I only have fuses.

Yes I had to re-wire the old PSUs in a school because of that.

> They're the same thing anyway, there are only 2 conductors coming into my house.

there's a reason why the third wire is called Earth.
Just think of teh cost of wiring if it needed to be connected to the moon or even Mars !

> >> >> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
> >> >> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
> >> >> fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
> >> >> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
> >> >> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.
> >> >
> >> > No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!
> >> >
> >> >> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
> >> >> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
> >> >> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!
> >> >
> >> > Understood - but I didn't choose it!
> >> I have fuses :-)
> >
> > I do too and thinking of updating
> Why bother? You'll just earn yourself nuisance trips.

When selling and moving on it's a good plus-point for new buiyers, I might even have to wash the curtains.

> >> >>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
> >> >>>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
> >> >>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
> >> >>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> A bit like being retired - like me!
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.
> >> >
> >> > I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
> >> > of just 55?
> >> I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.
> >
> > Yes I think that is correct but you can lose quite a bit by taking it so early .
> > Normally it's about 60 is reasonable.
> I haven't checked the amounts, but I assume they assume you will die at a certain age. So if you're taking it over twice as many years, they halve the amount (with adjustments for interest and inflation etc).

Yes and why some of my slightly younger friends retirment date is 67 or 68
They use life expectance to calculate such things, same problem the NHS has.

> >> >>>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
> >> >>>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
> >> >>>>>>> timeline
> >> >>>>>>> and the group which I run.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
> >> >>>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
> >> >>>>>> kills far more.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
> >> >>>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
> >> >>>>>> time. If
> >> >>>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
> >> >>>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
> >> >>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
> >> >>>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Understood. Thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >> To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
> >> >> sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a
> >> >> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!
> >> >
> >> > Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!
> >> I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.
> >
> > This boy obviously has no sense of style ;-)
> A computer is a functional item, not a fucking ornament.

It can be both. Why buy an ugly, noisy, biege box .

> >> > We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
> >> > like a train!
> >> Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.
> >
> > That doesn't really much much sense if you take into account breaking distances.
> What?! If you're 1 foot behind the next car, and it jams it's brakes on, you will hit it with a closing speed of about 2mph and do no damage.

What even if yuo're doing 60MPH, I doubt it.

>This will make you go "shit!" and jam on your brakes too.

Bit late them with thinking distances let alone with reaction timnes.

> > I know in F1 cars can be 6 inches apart and be doing 200MPH but they have really good brakes and drivers.
> > I wouldn't have thought a couple of volvos doing a ~70 MPH and if one hit the brakes the other could stop within 2 metre social distancing.
> You don't have to stop in 2m, you have to react in 2m.

Still takes a distance to come to a stop.
Even star trek takes that into account, which is why you need a structural integrity field,
also used when accelerating it''s all past of the laws of momentum too.

> > One day perhaps if boy have driverless mode and communicat with each other.

Yeah I meant "both".

> Driverless boys?! No no, they must be tied up and given strict instructions.

You back in fantasy mode or the french version of DIY.

> >> >>>> I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
> >> >>>> overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
> >> >>>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
> >> >>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
> >> >>>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> And delegate?
> >> >
> >> > Yes, that too!
> >> >
> >> > Remember the adage that I was taught.
> >> >
> >> > 'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.
> >> >
> >> > In truth though:-
> >> >
> >> > Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
> >> > Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
> >> > It is the business of the wealthy man
> >> > To give employment to the artisan.
> >> >
> >> > Hilaire Belloc
> >> This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.
> >
> > For me it depends on how they get rich. Don't really want to bring back slavery
> I do. I'd love to have someone else doing things for me, preferably naked.

Back to your chimney boys & mary poppins fantasies are we ;-)

>
> And actually most slaves were very happy, they got a free home in a nice place. They didn't have to concern themselves with finances either.

I doubt most were happy.

> >> > You really are nuts!
> >> What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.
> >
> > I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
> It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.

>I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time in gear.

I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.

> > Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
> > without the drivers or owners permission.
> Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.

Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.

> >> >>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
> >> >>>>>>>> over
> >> >>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Haha! :-D
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
> >> >>>>>> gravity.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
> >> >>
> >> >> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
> >> >
> >> > You are nearly as bright as me!
> >> [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?
> >
> > and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
> Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

Not all, some dye some shave and use eyebrow pencil. I've know some to wear coloured cotact
lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.

>They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

depends on the effect you want I guess.

> >> >> I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
> >> >> OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to
> >> >> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
> >> >> misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
> >> >> colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.
> >> >
> >> > The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
> >> In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.
> >
> > I do the same with students.
> For example?

Watch them see what they are trying to do.
One girl that was more interested in taking selfies than doing her project, moved from one bench to another taking the glue gun with her.
After another 10mins of posing she put her hand on the glue gun and decdied it wasn't getting warm so unplugged it and plugged it into another socket.
Carried on posing and chatting away on her phone, after anotherb 10mins I went over towards her and asked if everything was OK, she said your glue guns doesn't work it's not heating up.
So I showed her the rocker switch next to the socket and explained that you need to switch that on too, and in about 5mins it'll be hot enough.
She looked really embarresed as she'd been at least 30mins in to her 2 hour allocated time and done nothing.
But I didn't make fun of her, she know she'd did that all on her own :-)

Such things have even happend to our academics, not looking atb the obvious first things, like check the PSU is actually switched on
before you complain it's not working.

> >> We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).
> >
> > I've done similar things I even put a notice on the wall upside down the students were laughing , I asked them what was funny , they said because it's upside down,
> > I said Ah so you've actually read it then , so you know I'm closed for lunch from 1-2pm, so you won't keep knocking on the door now will you.
> I never closed for lunch. In fact lunch was the best time to fix things, when others weren't using the computers.

We don't close as a lab but we aren't there when going out to get sandwhiches and I don't like students coming up to me asking for things etc
while I'm eating, so my typical lunchtime is 12:30-13:30 another tech goes from 12:00-13:00 and the other goes from about 13:30 to 14:30,
so the lab is always open 9:00-17:00, sometimes until 18:00.
We sometimes swap our times around or is someone is on holiday or off sick, but the lab is always open.
And if open there has to be at least 2 members of staff present, but we aren't too strict on that one.

[geoff]

On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:

>
> Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most houses don't have enough sockets
> and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have 3 extra sockets to use some have more.

He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.

Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
computer 'suite', and music room.

geoff

[geoff]

Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
start off with !

All this doubly problematical in 110/120v countries, where currents
involved are around double those of 220/230/240v countries.

geoff

[Whisky-dave]

On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
> On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
> > On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
> >> houses don't have enough sockets
> >> and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
> >> 3 extra sockets to use some have more.
> >
> > He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
> > double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.
> >
> > Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
> > computer 'suite', and music room.
> >
> > geoff
> Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
> washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.

>
> This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
> potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.
>
> They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
> or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
> start off with !

yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.

It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
>> >> >>> 13 Amps!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I
>> >> >> would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
>> >> >> washes. Whoops, melted socket.
>> >> >
>> >> > Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.
>> >> I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip. Seems the strip was weaker than the 13A fuse. I gave the irritated teacher two new strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room. One washer and one dryer seemed to manage together.
>> >
>> > I have a LG washer dryer and it says in the instructions NOT to use it from an extention strip.
>> > Which might seema bit odd but I'm guessing it's because some idiot would and plug a kettle, toaster and fan heater into the same strip.
>> I see all sorts of weird stuff like that. My dad's log splitter is 2kW (might be 2.5) and says not to use on an extension cord over 5m. I have a 50m cord that says 13A (just over 3kW), so I don't see the problem.
>
> Thought you knew about physics, it''s a coil and due to induction( sort of eddy currents, resisyance/impedance) and the like it is more likely to heat up and retain that heat than a single lengh of cable.

It didn't mention coils, it mentioned length of extension.

>> Unless they want to lessen the risk of tripping over it? It's running on a 10m cord half unwound attached to a 10m cord fully unwound which is already there for a freezer. I've split about 50 1-tonne bags of logs with it and it works fine. Motorised hydraulics is fun.
>
> I doubt it's on for very long periods continiously that is.

Indeed, no problems at all. Probably 50% duty cycle while I do a barrow load, then the same time resting. So 50% for half the time is 25% overall. And I presume 2.5kW is when it's pushing against the log hard, a lot of time it's not working at full torque.

>> >> >>>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
>> >> >>>>> wife is doing the ironing.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
>> >> >> prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
>> >> >> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
>> >> >> earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the
>> >> >> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
>> >> >> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
>> >> >> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
>> >> >> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
>> >> >> coming loose.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
>> >> > small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
>> >> Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.
>> >
>> > If it's an old iron could be that the flex has twisted somewhere and worn internally
>> > and a strange of the live wire comes into contact with earth.
>> > Also I've seen on old appliences that a ON neon is connected between live and earth
>> > and that can trigger a cutout, even seen one on a PSU where one side of the neon was connected to Live and the other to the metal case of the PSU
>> > which was earthed.
>> Some of the lighting in my house uses earth instead of neutral because it was more convenient to connect to that. Just aswell I only have fuses.
>
> Yes I had to re-wire the old PSUs in a school because of that.

Or just get rid of the namby pamby breakers. I changed some breakers to less sensitive ones - the ones that are somehow ok for kids in their homes but illegal for kids in a school. They somehow become more sensitive when they're at school.

>> They're the same thing anyway, there are only 2 conductors coming into my house.
>
> there's a reason why the third wire is called Earth.

Yankee pricks call it ground.

> Just think of teh cost of wiring if it needed to be connected to the moon or even Mars !

Mine is not connected to earth here, it's connected to the transformer ('s earth). You'd think they could just run the 240V cable then use a spike at each house.

>> >> >> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
>> >> >> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
>> >> >> fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
>> >> >> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
>> >> >> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.
>> >> >
>> >> > No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!
>> >> >
>> >> >> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
>> >> >> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
>> >> >> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!
>> >> >
>> >> > Understood - but I didn't choose it!
>> >> I have fuses :-)
>> >
>> > I do too and thinking of updating
>> Why bother? You'll just earn yourself nuisance trips.
>
> When selling and moving on it's a good plus-point for new buiyers, I might even have to wash the curtains.

People don't give a fuck about things like that. They know it will cost them nothing compared to the price of the house if they want to change it.

[Whisky-dave]

On Thursday, 19 May 2022 at 09:10:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
> >> >> >>> 13 Amps!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I
> >> >> >> would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
> >> >> >> washes. Whoops, melted socket.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.
> >> >> I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip. Seems the strip was weaker than the 13A fuse. I gave the irritated teacher two new strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room. One washer and one dryer seemed to manage together.
> >> >
> >> > I have a LG washer dryer and it says in the instructions NOT to use it from an extention strip.
> >> > Which might seema bit odd but I'm guessing it's because some idiot would and plug a kettle, toaster and fan heater into the same strip.
> >> I see all sorts of weird stuff like that. My dad's log splitter is 2kW (might be 2.5) and says not to use on an extension cord over 5m. I have a 50m cord that says 13A (just over 3kW), so I don't see the problem.
> >
> > Thought you knew about physics, it''s a coil and due to induction( sort of eddy currents, resisyance/impedance) and the like it is more likely to heat up and retain that heat than a single lengh of cable.

> It didn't mention coils, it mentioned length of extension. And most long leads are coiled and the lengh would still have a resistance whether coiled or not.

And then there's the extra contact resistance, as you'd get an idiot saying but my extention cord was only 1 meter but I used 5 of them.

> >> Unless they want to lessen the risk of tripping over it? It's running on a 10m cord half unwound attached to a 10m cord fully unwound which is already there for a freezer. I've split about 50 1-tonne bags of logs with it and it works fine. Motorised hydraulics is fun.
> >
> > I doubt it's on for very long periods continiously that is.
> Indeed, no problems at all. Probably 50% duty cycle while I do a barrow load, then the same time resting. So 50% for half the time is 25% overall. And I presume 2.5kW is when it's pushing against the log hard, a lot of time it's not working at full torque.

Yes if you know what your doing and understand things, but it's those that don't understand is when H&S and warning are most useful.

Be difficult after spending many thousands on upgrading the electrics.

> I changed some breakers to less sensitive ones - the ones that are somehow ok for kids in their homes but illegal for kids in a school. They somehow become more sensitive when they're at school.

Not heard that one I'd say it's down to possible sueing if a kid or adult gets injured or killed.

> >> They're the same thing anyway, there are only 2 conductors coming into my house.
> >
> > there's a reason why the third wire is called Earth.
> Yankee pricks call it ground.

I guess we should be thankful they don;t call it the first floor as they do with buildings.

> > Just think of teh cost of wiring if it needed to be connected to the moon or even Mars !
> Mine is not connected to earth here, it's connected to the transformer ('s earth). You'd think they could just run the 240V cable then use a spike at each house.
> >> >> >> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
> >> >> >> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
> >> >> >> fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
> >> >> >> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
> >> >> >> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
> >> >> >> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
> >> >> >> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Understood - but I didn't choose it!
> >> >> I have fuses :-)
> >> >
> >> > I do too and thinking of updating
> >> Why bother? You'll just earn yourself nuisance trips.
> >
> > When selling and moving on it's a good plus-point for new buiyers, I might even have to wash the curtains.
> People don't give a fuck about things like that. They know it will cost them nothing compared to the price of the house if they want to change it.

Dependds who's buying

[Commander Kinsey]

In this age of health and softy at the slightest possibility, this really surprises me.

> this is probabbly why most houses don't have enough sockets

Nah, that's stupidity or cost cutting. This house has tonnes in the kitchen but fuck all elsewhere. But I think the previous owner added some. Maybe she liked to cook.

> and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have 3 extra sockets to use some have more.

Have you tried to buy one recently, they've become very expensive for no reason.

>> > Not many things are used continuoisly or for a long period at 13 amps.
>> > I doubt a washing maching would pull 13 amps and the heater would turn off and on anyway.
>> > A kettle would but wouldn't be on for more than 10mins.
>> People plug in fanheaters everywhere.
>
> So, but I doubt more than 2 or 3 are running at the same time.

2 is enough to overload a 20A double socket.

Oops flood, etc, let's dry the carpet. Two 3kW fanheaters in a double socket running all day.

>> >> >> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
>> >> >> wife is doing the ironing.
>> >> >
>> >> > The earth leakage type or the overload type?
>> >> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>> >>
>> >> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
>> >
>> > Should be some intials like RCCB or something and then check wiki.
>> > In a correctly wired property they should have the correct one fitted to the fuse box.
>> Is this acceptable to you?
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wuhy3rnur87yrz9/s-l1600.jpg?dl=0
>
> Looks a bit risky what would happen if you plugged 5 fan heaters in.
> Strange that so many are off too.

It's not connected yet. I just bought it for a tenner on Ebay.

And in answer to your question, they would simply trip.

>> >> > The earth leakage ones
>> >> > hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I
>> >> > disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
>> >> > flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
>> >> > her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
>> >> > feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
>> >> > it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave
>> >> > kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
>> >> > put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
>> >> > argument or two.
>> >> >
>> >> > [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.
>> >
>> > Not by those that know what they are doing.
>> And you expect a woman in the kitchen to know about earths?
>> > >Consider you touch
>> >> > a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
>> >> > get a slight tingle or not even feel it.
>> >
>> > Depending on how it is dameged.
>> Doesn't matter, the point is there is a live wire to touch. Best not to have an earth to go with it.
> Best if the earth touches the live wire before a person does that's the point.

But if the live wire is the kettle cord, it doesn't have much chance of that.

>> >> But now imagine your knee is
>> >> > touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
>> >> > knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
>> >> > safety device.
>> >> Oh! Shiver me timbers!
>> >
>> > But if the washing machine was earthed it would blow the fuse or whatever device was in the consumer box that's the point.
>> > That is why earthing a washing machine is a good idea same for most appliances.
>> Not if the bare live wasn't touching the machine. A damaged flex is likely in a kitchen. Touch that and the earthed machine and you get a lot of current through you.
> A damaged flex is likely to short yhe live to the earth blowing the fuse or cutout that's the point.

Not if only the live is exposed. Usually only one wire gets bared.

Happened to me with a lawnmower. Who earthed my garden?

>> >> >>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>> >> >>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>> >> >> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>> >> >
>> >> > I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.
>> >
>> > Most humans have this 24 hour cycle even animals do, this is why jet lag happens.
>> Doesn't work with indoor lighting.
>
> It does, but like everything else it can be overruled to some extent.

To a lot of extent, the stats show most people don't stick to 24 hours, that's why we need alarm clocks and hate getting up in the morning.

>> >> I get up when
>> >> > ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>> >
>> > Most people do but it's the define ready is what's important.
>> Is English please?
>
> I went to bed just after

Sounds like your timing is worse than mine.

>> >> > The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
>> >> That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
>> >> vehicles on the road.
>> >
>> > Too many people wanting to go from A-B
>> If they went twice as fast, twice as many cars could do so.
>
> Doesn;t work like that. As people have to stop a turn and slow down.

WTF? You can turn faster too. I often overtake people on roundabouts.

> Then more people would start traveling.

Gypsies?

>> >> > I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
>> >> > overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
>> >> > signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
>> >> > more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
>> >> > - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
>> >
>> > But does that mean you have to travel faster.
>> > I doubt most peolpe on a typivcal school run or to go to the loca supermarket would save much time
>> > in a car capable of doing 200MHP over one capable of doing 70MPH
>> No, but they would do well to go 40 instead of 20.
>
> Facts show that doesn't work too well.

No, bullshit government propaganda does.

>> And actually acceleration is good for cutting in front of the slower drivers.
> Good brrakes are handy too, and a driver withy a brain is even better.

Brakes are for losers.

>> I overtook a BMW on the roundabout the other day, and surprisingly they didn't get angry. Most BMW drivers do. They were in the wrong lane, I was in the correct lane. So I drove faster and they had to slam on their brakes. Not many people get the correct lane there - the highway code is very clear. If there are two lanes entering a roundabout, the left lane is used for going straight ahead unless otherwise marked. So many people think thee left lane is only for going left.
>> >> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
>> >
>> > I'd be up for that.
>> >
>> >> >>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow
>> >> >>> because they find driving difficult.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> > Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
>> >> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?
>> >
>> > Sounds agist Id like to see a 'test' you could take which once passed meant you could
>> > drive above the speed limits others have to keep to. Provided you're car was up to standard too.
>> Delete the last sentence and I agree.
>> >> >>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I would if you were going forwards!
>> >> >
>> >> > I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
>> >> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
>> >> underway - travelling forwards!
>> >
>> > How about a donut /Doughnut
>> I'll only do one if you spell it correctly and pay for the tyres.
>
> No idea how to spell it , seems to be country dependant.

We're conversing in English, so you should spell it the English way. American isn't a language.

> Why care about tyres as they also wear out quicker if you drive faster.

Only if you skid.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 16 May 2022 22:23:04 +0100, geoff <ge...@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

> On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
>> On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
>>> houses don't have enough sockets
>>> and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
>>> 3 extra sockets to use some have more.
>>
>> He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
>> double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.
>>
>> Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
>> computer 'suite', and music room.
>>
>> geoff
>
> Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
> washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

It was me and it was a log splitter.

> This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
> potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

No, the cord is rated to 13A. The log splitter uses less than that.

> They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
> or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
> start off with !

I found that with a triple adapter cube, running only 1kW.

> All this doubly problematical in 110/120v countries, where currents
> involved are around double those of 220/230/240v countries.

That's the country's fault for using girly voltages.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
>> On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
>> > On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
>> >> houses don't have enough sockets
>> >> and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
>> >> 3 extra sockets to use some have more.
>> >
>> > He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
>> > double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.
>> >
>> > Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
>> > computer 'suite', and music room.
>> >
>> > geoff
>> Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
>> washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.
>
> It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
> and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.

Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.

>> This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
>> potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.
>>
>> They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
>> or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
>> start off with !
>
> yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
> doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
> cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.

I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

> It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
> If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.

This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.

[Whisky-dave]

On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
> >> On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
> >> > On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
> >> >> houses don't have enough sockets
> >> >> and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
> >> >> 3 extra sockets to use some have more.
> >> >
> >> > He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
> >> > double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.
> >> >
> >> > Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
> >> > computer 'suite', and music room.
> >> >
> >> > geoff
> >> Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
> >> washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.
> >
> > It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
> > and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
> Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.

why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?

> >> This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
> >> potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.
> >>
> >> They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
> >> or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
> >> start off with !
> >
> > yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
> > doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
> > cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
> I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
that I heard use aluminium.

> > It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
> > If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
> This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.

AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.

[Commander Kinsey]

That was simply a stupid change in the law to make people work longer despite there being more people than jobs already.

> They use life expectance to calculate such things, same problem the NHS has.

How does that change my point? If I take my pension over twice the number of years, I get half the amount per year, I lose nothing, they lose nothing.

Do you buy a certain colour of fridge freezer too? Are you female?

>> >> > We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
>> >> > like a train!
>> >> Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.
>> >
>> > That doesn't really much much sense if you take into account breaking distances.
>> What?! If you're 1 foot behind the next car, and it jams it's brakes on, you will hit it with a closing speed of about 2mph and do no damage.
> What even if yuo're doing 60MPH, I doubt it.

How much do you think a car would slow from 60mph in 1 foot?

>> This will make you go "shit!" and jam on your brakes too.
> Bit late them with thinking distances let alone with reaction timnes.

Reaction times in the highway code are about 3 times longer than any normal person.

>> > I know in F1 cars can be 6 inches apart and be doing 200MPH but they have really good brakes and drivers.
>> > I wouldn't have thought a couple of volvos doing a ~70 MPH and if one hit the brakes the other could stop within 2 metre social distancing.
>> You don't have to stop in 2m, you have to react in 2m.
>
> Still takes a distance to come to a stop.

But the car in front also takes some distance. The only difference between the car in front and the car behind is the point in time the brakes were pressed. So just reaction time.

>> Driverless boys?! No no, they must be tied up and given strict instructions.
>
> You back in fantasy mode or the french version of DIY.

The French are less prudish than the Brits and therefore more sensible.

>> >> >>>> I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
>> >> >>>> overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
>> >> >>>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
>> >> >>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
>> >> >>>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And delegate?
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, that too!
>> >> >
>> >> > Remember the adage that I was taught.
>> >> >
>> >> > 'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.
>> >> >
>> >> > In truth though:-
>> >> >
>> >> > Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
>> >> > Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
>> >> > It is the business of the wealthy man
>> >> > To give employment to the artisan.
>> >> >
>> >> > Hilaire Belloc
>> >> This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.
>> >
>> > For me it depends on how they get rich. Don't really want to bring back slavery
>> I do. I'd love to have someone else doing things for me, preferably naked.
>
> Back to your chimney boys & mary poppins fantasies are we ;-)

I never said they had to be male.

>> And actually most slaves were very happy, they got a free home in a nice place. They didn't have to concern themselves with finances either.
>
> I doubt most were happy.

They were, look it up. Easy life.

[Whisky-dave]

That wasn't the reason it is because pensions not being able to last until death due to the average life expectancy increasing over the years.

> > They use life expectance to calculate such things, same problem the NHS has.
> How does that change my point? If I take my pension over twice the number of years, I get half the amount per year, I lose nothing, they lose nothing.

But if you live longer than expected then you draw more money than you were expecting.
It's very simialr in inflation.

No more than I would with a car or bike or even clothes.

> >> >> > We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
> >> >> > like a train!
> >> >> Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.
> >> >
> >> > That doesn't really much much sense if you take into account breaking distances.
> >> What?! If you're 1 foot behind the next car, and it jams it's brakes on, you will hit it with a closing speed of about 2mph and do no damage.
> > What even if yuo're doing 60MPH, I doubt it.
> How much do you think a car would slow from 60mph in 1 foot?

not by much and that is the problem.

> >> This will make you go "shit!" and jam on your brakes too.
> > Bit late them with thinking distances let alone with reaction timnes.
> Reaction times in the highway code are about 3 times longer than any normal person.

I wonder how long it takes to put down the mobile phone or finish reading the latest post before looking up
and colliding with a stationary vehicle.
The local road was closed this morning as a car had driven into a house.
The house had been there fopr about 100 years so not sure what excuse the driver
might have for not seeing it and being able to stop.

> >> > I know in F1 cars can be 6 inches apart and be doing 200MPH but they have really good brakes and drivers.
> >> > I wouldn't have thought a couple of volvos doing a ~70 MPH and if one hit the brakes the other could stop within 2 metre social distancing.
> >> You don't have to stop in 2m, you have to react in 2m.
> >
> > Still takes a distance to come to a stop.
> But the car in front also takes some distance. The only difference between the car in front and the car behind is the point in time the brakes were pressed. So just reaction time.

even if reaction time is instantanous no car is able to stop instantanously.

> >> Driverless boys?! No no, they must be tied up and given strict instructions.
> >
> > You back in fantasy mode or the french version of DIY.
> The French are less prudish than the Brits and therefore more sensible.

No I had 2 french GF and one french flatmate they can be quite arrogant.
I think it is in their nature, you only have to know what happend regarding whatever at cup final
this weekend .

> >> >> >>>> I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
> >> >> >>>> overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
> >> >> >>>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
> >> >> >>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
> >> >> >>>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And delegate?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, that too!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Remember the adage that I was taught.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In truth though:-
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
> >> >> > Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
> >> >> > It is the business of the wealthy man
> >> >> > To give employment to the artisan.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hilaire Belloc
> >> >> This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.
> >> >
> >> > For me it depends on how they get rich. Don't really want to bring back slavery
> >> I do. I'd love to have someone else doing things for me, preferably naked.
> >
> > Back to your chimney boys & mary poppins fantasies are we ;-)
> I never said they had to be male.

But they were.

> >> And actually most slaves were very happy, they got a free home in a nice place. They didn't have to concern themselves with finances either.
> >
> > I doubt most were happy.
> They were, look it up. Easy life.

That's a fantasy mostly only reanacted in fetish clubs.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
>> >> On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
>> >> > On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
>> >> >> houses don't have enough sockets
>> >> >> and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
>> >> >> 3 extra sockets to use some have more.
>> >> >
>> >> > He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
>> >> > double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.
>> >> >
>> >> > Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
>> >> > computer 'suite', and music room.
>> >> >
>> >> > geoff
>> >> Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
>> >> washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.
>> >
>> > It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
>> > and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
>> Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.
>
> why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.

No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.

> Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?

Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.

>> >> This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
>> >> potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.
>> >>
>> >> They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
>> >> or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
>> >> start off with !
>> >
>> > yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
>> > doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
>> > cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
>> I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....
>
> Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
> that I heard use aluminium.

Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.

If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging through normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.

>> > It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
>> > If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
>> This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.
>
> AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.

All Americans have the mental age of kids.

[Whisky-dave]

On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 02:40:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
> >> >> On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
> >> >> > On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
> >> >> >> houses don't have enough sockets
> >> >> >> and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
> >> >> >> 3 extra sockets to use some have more.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
> >> >> > double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
> >> >> > computer 'suite', and music room.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > geoff
> >> >> Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
> >> >> washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.
> >> >
> >> > It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
> >> > and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
> >> Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.
> >
> > why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
> No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.

I'd expect it to work OK and my washer dryer works fine on an expention lead too.
I think most things I have do. My garden strimmer did too but I got a bit fed up with
having to mak sure I didn;t fall over the lead or cut it, or get it tangled up
that I bought a cheap battery trimmer that does pretty much the same job and now
I don't have to keep skipping over a lead or have to worry about the plug coming out of any socket.

If I bought a log splitter I'd most likely go for a battery one so wouldn't have the lead problem.

> > Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
> Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.

that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.

But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage.
You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.

> >> >> This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
> >> >> potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.
> >> >>
> >> >> They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
> >> >> or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
> >> >> start off with !
> >> >
> >> > yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
> >> > doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
> >> > cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
> >> I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....
> >
> > Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
> > that I heard use aluminium.
> Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.

and shit for charging too.
even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB.

>
> If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging through normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.

Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers.
If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil......

> >> > It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
> >> > If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
> >> This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.
> >
> > AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
> All Americans have the mental age of kids.

well most do, not quite all, then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest
against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > You really are nuts!
>> >> What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.
>> >
>> > I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
>> It would have to be a fucking steep hill,
>
> we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.

Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

>> I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time in gear.
>
> I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.

Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

>> > Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
>> > without the drivers or owners permission.
>> Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.
>
> Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.

You live in a city? Why?

> Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.

What weird things to steal!

>> >> >>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
>> >> >>>>>>>> over
>> >> >>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Haha! :-D
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
>> >> >>>>>> gravity.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
>> >> >
>> >> > You are nearly as bright as me!
>> >> [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?
>> >
>> > and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
>> Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.
>
> Not all, some dye

Never seen that.

> some shave and use eyebrow pencil.

Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

> I've know some to wear coloured cotact
> lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.

Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.

>> They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.
>
> depends on the effect you want I guess.

Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

>> >> >> I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
>> >> >> OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to
>> >> >> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
>> >> >> misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
>> >> >> colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.
>> >> >
>> >> > The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
>> >> In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.
>> >
>> > I do the same with students.
>> For example?
>
> Watch them see what they are trying to do.
> One girl that was more interested in taking selfies than doing her project, moved from one bench to another taking the glue gun with her.
> After another 10mins of posing she put her hand on the glue gun and decdied it wasn't getting warm so unplugged it and plugged it into another socket.
> Carried on posing and chatting away on her phone, after anotherb 10mins I went over towards her and asked if everything was OK, she said your glue guns doesn't work it's not heating up.
> So I showed her the rocker switch next to the socket and explained that you need to switch that on too, and in about 5mins it'll be hot enough.
> She looked really embarresed as she'd been at least 30mins in to her 2 hour allocated time and done nothing.
> But I didn't make fun of her, she know she'd did that all on her own :-)

ROTFPMSL!

>> >> We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).
>> >
>> > I've done similar things I even put a notice on the wall upside down the students were laughing , I asked them what was funny , they said because it's upside down,
>> > I said Ah so you've actually read it then , so you know I'm closed for lunch from 1-2pm, so you won't keep knocking on the door now will you.
>> I never closed for lunch. In fact lunch was the best time to fix things, when others weren't using the computers.
>
> We don't close as a lab but we aren't there when going out to get sandwhiches and I don't like students coming up to me asking for things etc
> while I'm eating,

Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 19 May 2022 13:23:58 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 19 May 2022 at 09:10:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
>> >> >> >>> 13 Amps!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I
>> >> >> >> would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
>> >> >> >> washes. Whoops, melted socket.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.
>> >> >> I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip. Seems the strip was weaker than the 13A fuse. I gave the irritated teacher two new strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room. One washer and one dryer seemed to manage together.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a LG washer dryer and it says in the instructions NOT to use it from an extention strip.
>> >> > Which might seema bit odd but I'm guessing it's because some idiot would and plug a kettle, toaster and fan heater into the same strip.
>> >> I see all sorts of weird stuff like that. My dad's log splitter is 2kW (might be 2.5) and says not to use on an extension cord over 5m. I have a 50m cord that says 13A (just over 3kW), so I don't see the problem.
>> >
>> > Thought you knew about physics, it''s a coil and due to induction( sort of eddy currents, resisyance/impedance) and the like it is more likely to heat up and retain that heat than a single lengh of cable.
>> It didn't mention coils, it mentioned length of extension. And most long leads are coiled and the lengh would still have a resistance whether coiled or not.
>
> And then there's the extra contact resistance, as you'd get an idiot saying but my extention cord was only 1 meter but I used 5 of them.

It doesn't say not to use 5, it says not to use a long one.

>> >> Unless they want to lessen the risk of tripping over it? It's running on a 10m cord half unwound attached to a 10m cord fully unwound which is already there for a freezer. I've split about 50 1-tonne bags of logs with it and it works fine. Motorised hydraulics is fun.
>> >
>> > I doubt it's on for very long periods continiously that is.
>> Indeed, no problems at all. Probably 50% duty cycle while I do a barrow load, then the same time resting. So 50% for half the time is 25% overall. And I presume 2.5kW is when it's pushing against the log hard, a lot of time it's not working at full torque.
>
> Yes if you know what your doing and understand things, but it's those that don't understand is when H&S and warning are most useful.

Why should we protect the stupid?

Never heard of a nail? I did that when I was a teenager. I needed 20 amps form a 13A plug.

>> I changed some breakers to less sensitive ones - the ones that are somehow ok for kids in their homes but illegal for kids in a school. They somehow become more sensitive when they're at school.
>
> Not heard that one I'd say it's down to possible sueing if a kid or adult gets injured or killed.

Yip, legal bullshit. Based on the stupid idea that a kid is more sensitive to shocks when in a different building. Well I disproved that by shocking a kid through a home breaker. He hardly felt a thing.

>> >> They're the same thing anyway, there are only 2 conductors coming into my house.
>> >
>> > there's a reason why the third wire is called Earth.
>> Yankee pricks call it ground.
>
> I guess we should be thankful they don't call it the first floor as they do with buildings.

Now that is actually one of the things I like about Americans. Why do we start with ground then say the first floor is the one you have to climb a flight of stairs to get to? The ground floor is a floor, it has floorboards and a carpet, just like the rest. It is not on the ground, there is a gap under it. That is therefore the first floor you come to. Buildings are not computers, you should not start at zero!

>> > Just think of teh cost of wiring if it needed to be connected to the moon or even Mars !
>> Mine is not connected to earth here, it's connected to the transformer ('s earth). You'd think they could just run the 240V cable then use a spike at each house.
>> >> >> >> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
>> >> >> >> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
>> >> >> >> fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
>> >> >> >> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
>> >> >> >> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
>> >> >> >> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
>> >> >> >> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Understood - but I didn't choose it!
>> >> >> I have fuses :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > I do too and thinking of updating
>> >> Why bother? You'll just earn yourself nuisance trips.
>> >

>> > When selling and moving on it's a good plus-point for new buyers, I might even have to wash the curtains.

>> People don't give a fuck about things like that. They know it will cost them nothing compared to the price of the house if they want to change it.
>

> Depends who's buying

There are usually several potential buyers. My sister just sold her house, one of them was picky like that, she just sold it to another one.